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I’m sure you’ll accept that you are only speaking for yourself when you talk about clicks. However If that is so, and I’m not sure that’s entirely accurate especially among younger Britons, then it’s a pity that the readers don’t reflect for a few minutes on the fact that the people they are reading about that are being attacked with venom and sarcasm are in fact human beings with feelings, not abstract cardboard cut-outs.

And that they also reflect on the wear and tear of often baseless attacks upon people like the Sussexes, for day after day, week after week, month after month, year after year. It’s been five years since they left but the media has never left them alone.
 
Curryong said:
I’m sure you’ll accept that you are only speaking for yourself when you talk about clicks. However If that is so, and I’m not sure that’s entirely accurate especially among younger Britons, then it’s a pity that the readers don’t reflect for a few minutes on the fact that the people they are reading about that are being attacked with venom and sarcasm are in fact human beings with feelings, not abstract cardboard cut-outs.

And that they also reflect on the wear and tear of often baseless attacks upon people like the Sussexes, for day after day, week after week, month after month, year after year. It’s been five years since they left but the media has never left them alone.
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Social media attacks can be really unpleasant I will not disagree there, they are not the only people with a high public profile to suffer this.
The problem with the on line media i.e. newspapers. etc is that if you promote yourself then you need to take the consequences.
Anyway it is now well past my bed time, good night and may your God bless you.
 
Curryong said:
I’m sure you’ll accept that you are only speaking for yourself when you talk about clicks. However If that is so, and I’m not sure that’s entirely accurate especially among younger Britons, then it’s a pity that the readers don’t reflect for a few minutes on the fact that the people they are reading about that are being attacked with venom and sarcasm are in fact human beings with feelings, not abstract cardboard cut-outs.

And that they also reflect on the wear and tear of often baseless attacks upon people like the Sussexes, for day after day, week after week, month after month, year after year. It’s been five years since they left but the media has never left them alone.
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You are correct but you do not mention that the so-called Sussex Squad have been saying hurtful things on social media about the Wales family, so it is not just the Sussexes that are being targeted. I don't often read them but the comments the anti-Wales group posts are just as hurtful and in most cases untrue.
 
Lori138 said:
You are correct but you do not mention that the so-called Sussex Squad have been saying hurtful things on social media about the Wales family, so it is not just the Sussexes that are being targeted. I don't often read them but the comments the anti-Wales group posts are just as hurtful and in most cases untrue.
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The Sussex Squad are vile. I saw what they did to Dr Sophie. It was utterly abhorrent.

This TBH is why I struggle when H&M present as "caring" about internet safety etc. when they continue to ignore the worst example right on their doorstep. If (heaven forbid) I was a celebrity and I knew my "fans" and supporters were bullying others including sick people and children I would be utterly mortified and publicly disown them, but H&M have done absolutely nothing. IMO, sadly I can only surmise that they either approve of what is being done, or don't care, or both.
 
I've seen suggestions Harry made his speech them left straight after, staying for no more than 20 minutes. I don't get these sort of events tbh - self congratulatory and then only staying for your bit? So odd.
 
tommy100 said:
I've seen suggestions Harry made his speech them left straight after, staying for no more than 20 minutes. I don't get these sort of events tbh - self congratulatory and then only staying for your bit? So odd.
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I read elsewhere that he was there for 16 minutes. Perhaps he had to get home for his supper of toast and jam...sorry, spread...

On a more serious note I think you've summed up the Legends of Aviation event perfectly.
 
Curryong said:
I’m sure you’ll accept that you are only speaking for yourself when you talk about clicks. However If that is so, and I’m not sure that’s entirely accurate especially among younger Britons, then it’s a pity that the readers don’t reflect for a few minutes on the fact that the people they are reading about that are being attacked with venom and sarcasm are in fact human beings with feelings, not abstract cardboard cut-outs.

And that they also reflect on the wear and tear of often baseless attacks upon people like the Sussexes, for day after day, week after week, month after month, year after year. It’s been five years since they left but the media has never left them alone.
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Yes it is my opinion, just like I view other posts on all these threads whether by yourself or others as nothing more than opinions. It is a discussion forum where we put forward our views and thoughts, I am very wary of taking things as factual on any discussion board.
The bottom line is we do not really know what goes on behind closed doors, only what we are presented with.
As for not leaving them alone then Meghan maybe needs to stop carrying out the pap shots.
They are not the only ones being attacked on SM as you know, maybe the people carrying out those attacks should consider their actions, but it seems to be alright in some peoples eyes when the attacks are going the other way.
Harry and Meghan in particular court the media when it suits, so they need to face the consequences, and before you say it the RF use the media to promote their interests as well.
Meghan in particular has never been off instagram since the start of the year it is almost a daily event, she is creating interest in her business, fair enough but she is leaving herself open to comment on the wider media.
 
The media have always taken against people for many reasons. I was recently reminded that after promoting the Agatha Christie story for ages, that once she was found, they insisted she was a con artist and she should pay the money back. Loved her to hated her. The media is the media. Why you would choose to live your life according to it or give it any undue space on your head is anyone’s guess. They will write what sells and it is outside your spear of control. They don’t actually have an opinion on you either way.

Harry and Meghan majorly wanted to control the media. In a curated Hello magazine, instagram type way. Unfortunately, you act and they will have an opinion. One of the biggest reasons for wanting half in half out was to control the media’s access to them. Basically get ones to be favouable only. Have American one as well…they are the BRITISH royal family.

And the media will turn on anyone on a split of a dime. The royals all have had their run ins with them and negative coverage. The Kate picture thing before she announced she had cancer was awful. The poor woman. Waity, Katie. William being lazy and useless. The York girls, their fashion, their holidays.

There is nothing unique about Harry and Meghan. If they didn’t keep promoting their work the media wouldn’t write a thing about them. But they are trying to live a public life. Quite sad really. Making spread isn’t going to get you places. What’s the best that could happen? A regular gig cooking on a morning programme. Harry being rolled out at award shows? With Sentebale now gone what does he have other than Invictus. And eventually they will talk to him about stepping down in favour of someone else.

This is not what they wanted. I don’t think they knew what they wanted. To charge half the time to go to events? Promote stuff? Just do glitzy stuff? I mean I don’t understand. The York girls essentially have a half in half out model but they don’t make money of who they are or use their titles in their jobs. If they just wanted to do a regular style job I’m sure it would be fine. But they would have had to make their own money. They’d have just given them a place to live. Which is what the York girls seem to get informally for their charity work.
 
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Harry had other issues about how he had been treated in the RF and money was the least of it. A person who feels he has ‘the world at his feet’ (really!!) wouldn’t think of walking away. He never complained about money before 2020. Nor did he complain in Spare or any documentary about the British people or the UK itself.

Just about how he felt for years about being shoved to one side as an unimportant spare and how Meghan had been treated in the media.

If people don’t care about the Sussexes why are the British tabloids constantly printing negative stories about them for clicks? Some people including the Joe and Joanne Bloggs in Britain (probably in the hundreds of thousands each week) must want to read about them (usually about how nasty and unimportant Harry and Meghan both are) or the clicks (and the money subsequently garnered) wouldn’t be so vital to the tabloids’ finances.

In fact this ‘unimportant’ couple that ‘people couldn’t care less about’ have been making an absolute fortune for the Press for over six years.
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We are starting to go over old ground now, we Joe public will never know the full truth, we are fed what all parties want us to believe.
Harry put his version of the story into print and interviews etc, the family have said very little publicly, it has been commentators and or authors that have put forward a different version of events.
It was a very complex situation not easy to find a way round but I have always believed that a way could have been found if all parties had shown willing.
If telling the world that your family is not safe in the UK but by the way I want to use your taxpayer funding is not a slap in the face I do not know what is.
As for being shoved to one side, I am not sure when that was, there was an important role for them within the family, the direct heirs are young, it is to me obvious when it all went wrong but I will keep that thought to myself.
 
FigTree said:
The media have always taken against people for many reasons. I was recently reminded that after promoting the Agatha Christie story for ages, that once she was found, they insisted she was a con artist and she should pay the money back. Loved her to hated her. The media is the media. Why you would choose to live your life according to it or give it any undue space on your head is anyone’s guess. They will write what sells and it is outside your spear of control. They don’t actually have an opinion on you either way.

Harry and Meghan majorly wanted to control the media. In a curated Hello magazine, instagram type way. Unfortunately, you act and they will have an opinion. One of the biggest reasons for wanting half in half out was to control the media’s access to them. Basically get ones to be favouable only. Have American one as well…they are the BRITISH royal family.

And the media will turn on anyone on a split of a dime. The royals all have had their run ins with them and negative coverage. The Kate picture thing before she announced she had cancer was awful. The poor woman. Waity, Katie. William being lazy and useless. The York girls, their fashion, their holidays.

There is nothing unique about Harry and Meghan. If they didn’t keep promoting their work the media wouldn’t write a thing about them. But they are trying to live a public life. Quite sad really. Making spread isn’t going to get you places. What’s the best that could happen? A regular gig cooking on a morning programme. Harry being rolled out at award shows. With Sentebale now gone what does he have other than Invictus. And eventually they will talk to him about stepping down in favour of someone else.
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The controlling the media is an excellent point, which they made quite a thing of. Is this the reason the online media print stuff every day, some of it interesting most of it click bait. Just turning their noses up to the couple to say you can try and control us but it aint going to happen. I never thought about it that way before, I just thought they were using the couple for money clicks.
 
Hallo girl said:
The controlling the media is an excellent point, which they made quite a thing of. Is this the reason the online media print stuff every day, some of it interesting most of it click bait. Just turning their noses up to the couple to say you can try and control us but it aint going to happen. I never thought about it that way before, I just thought they were using the couple for money clicks.
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Don’t think so anymore. Just doing it for clicks. Which I would imagine is starting to result in diminishing returns. The media will on,y write what the public want to read.
 
FigTree said:
Don’t think so anymore. Just doing it for clicks. Which I would imagine is starting to result in diminishing returns. The media will on,y write what the public want to read.
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That is so true, I have just made the mistake of clicking on a story this morning that was actually a load of nonsense, old tales from nearly 20 years ago, but big headline to draw you in.
 
Curryong said:
Harry had other issues about how he had been treated in the RF and money was the least of it. A person who feels he has ‘the world at his feet’ (really!!) wouldn’t think of walking away. He never complained about money before 2020. Nor did he complain in Spare or any documentary about the British people or the UK itself.

Just about how he felt for years about being shoved to one side as an unimportant spare and how Meghan had been treated in the media.
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Actually in Spare he said
"I love my Mother Country, and I love my family, and I always will. I just wish, at the second-darkest moment of my life, they'd been there for me too,"
(having also said previously he didn't really like England - bit pompous)

I agree with you about H and M's relationship - they love one another and are happy together. Everything else is gossip - the same gossip that Kate haters say about her and William and their marriage.

As to "traitor" Harry, for many people it wasn't that he left, it was that he sold his family for millions, exactly as Thomas Markle did to Meghan. I'm sure Harry understands and accepts her decision to cut him out of her life, just as the BRF have had to cut him out of their lives, since they can never trust him again.

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Hallo girl said:
Harry put his version of the story into print and interviews etc, the family have said very little publicly, it has been commentators and or authors that have put forward a different version of events.
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Indeed! If this couple hadn’t done the Oprah interview, written Spare, launched the copycat scandal with As Ever, and requested government police for private security involving access to intelligence, I doubt bloggers and commentators would have had much to tease them about—or that internet users would have anything to click on either.
Let’s hope they don’t create a YouTube or TikTok channel too, so people won’t have anything to click on.
 
taogg said:
Indeed! If this couple hadn’t done the Oprah interview, written Spare, launched the copycat scandal with As Ever, and requested government police for private security involving access to intelligence, I doubt bloggers and commentators would have had much to tease them about—or that internet users would have anything to click on either.
Let’s hope they don’t create a YouTube or TikTok channel too, so people won’t have anything to click on.
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Meghan needs both for her work. You can't be an instagramer alone now days.
 
There's all sorts of clickbait around. The best one I saw recently was "Princess Beatrice to leave England". When you clicked on it, it said that she was going to visit Porthmadog (in Wales). So it was true 😄.
 
Curryong said:
In fact this ‘unimportant’ couple that ‘people couldn’t care less about’ have been making an absolute fortune for the Press for over six years.
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Lets just hope the commercial efforts of H&M pay off, and they are a commercial success for themselves and the lifestyle of private planes and motorcades they so seem to like. As I see it, thus far, the only serious money they appear to have made is from speaking ill of the BRF in Spare, the Netflix documentary and on Oprah. So lets just hope the world love the jam, the dehydrated flowers and the English cookies that Meghan is now peddling.
 
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Alison H said:
There's all sorts of clickbait around. The best one I saw recently was "Princess Beatrice to leave England". When you clicked on it, it said that she was going to visit Porthmadog (in Wales). So it was true 😄.
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If people read, believe or don't believe everything on social media these days, it's their own fault. We should make a choice about which sources are solid and which ones we shouldn't read. The whole thing has taken on monstrous proportions and is sometimes impenetrable.
What worries me the most is the fact that our young people, children and grandchildren are fully participating because there is also pressure to watch all these channels. At some point, they must be so full that they no longer know what is credible and what is not.
Maybe I'm being too pessimistic, but I don't think it will be good for people in general in the long run. It's a total inundation of news, real or fake. It is becoming increasingly difficult to filter out what is credible.
 
winifred said:
Actually in Spare he said
"I love my Mother Country, and I love my family, and I always will. I just wish, at the second-darkest moment of my life, they'd been there for me too,"
(having also said previously he didn't really like England - bit pompous)

I agree with you about H and M's relationship - they love one another and are happy together. Everything else is gossip - the same gossip that Kate haters say about her and William and their marriage.

As to "traitor" Harry, for many people it wasn't that he left, it was that he sold his family for millions, exactly as Thomas Markle did to Meghan. I'm sure Harry understands and accepts her decision to cut him out of her life, just as the BRF have had to cut him out of their lives, since they can never trust him again.

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At times I wonder if he ever looks back and thinks if all this was even worth it? Both went from family separation to burning every bridge possible with both family and country.
 
Toledo said:
At times I wonder if he ever looks back and thinks if all this was even worth it? Both went from family separation to burning every bridge possible with both family and country.
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I just think the exit lacked grace and dignity. They did not have to leave on bad terms. And they did not have to burn bridges like they did. Very sad. And very poor form.
 
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90 minutes worth - includes Meghan answering questions eg will she write a memoir. Has anyone got the time to watch and recap? I can't get to it now.
 
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