The Duke and Duchess of Sussex and Family, May 7, 2025--

[Curryong]

It’s not just Meghan’s supporters who point out that poppies are worn by Americans. Poppies are made and sold in the US for Memorial Day in late May. Meghan may have worn a poppy earlier this year. Just don’t remember it.

I just pointed out in two previous posts that she has worn poppies on various occasions since leaving the UK and provided photos for two of them. All the occasions I wrote about for the Remembrance Day poppy that she wore are still around on the Internet and easily found.

She wears a poppy, she’s criticised by detractors, she doesn’t wear one that draws criticism from observers as well. Damned if she does and damned if she doesn’t comes to mind.

 

[Noble Consort Ming]

But Meghan is a natural-born citizen and, as other posters have said, there is nothing in US law that prevents a natural-born citizen who does not hold an "office of profit or trust" under the United States from accepting a foreign title.

Having said that, Meghan has never accepted any titles herself. She uses her husband's titles. If Harry became a naturalized US citizen, then, yes, he would have to renounce his foreign titles prior to naturalization under US law.

Sorry, I was speaking in general. However, if Harry has to renounce his titles I assume Meghan will not be able to use any since her titles are technically courtesy titles. She is not the Duchess of Sussex, she is only using the feminine form of his title. Just as Mrs. John Smith is not actually named John Smith. For this reason I don't think he will ever become a citizen.

 

[Mirabel]

If the story is in any way true, perhaps it's because Netflix knows there is money to be made in a royal tell-all show. An adaption of 'Spare' with Harry's name on the Producer line would almost certainly bring a huge number of views. Whereas their other shows such as 'With Love, Meghan' are more in the 'you bring it to us and we'll consider it' category.

It's pathetic to think that the only thing they have to offer is Harry's connection to the family he spurned.

So how does that tie in with the Only one interview they once insisted would be all?

 

[muriel]

There was the occasion at a military cemetery with Harry. I think it was about a year after they moved to North America. Both Meghan and Harry wore poppies on an Archewell video clip while speaking together about one of their children’s charities. She wore one at a speaking engagement in New York in 2021.

Meghan Markle Honors Remembrance in the U.K. with This Symbolic Pin at N.Y.C. Appearance

Meghan Markle joined The New York Times DealBook Online Summit on Tuesday, sporting a black outfit with a poppy pin ahead of Remembrance Day this month

people.com

Wasn't thatthe infamous event where they took the camera crew with them to the cemetary for footage?

 

[Hallo girl]

A party at Besos house would give Harry the opportunity to discuss his views on hi tech business and their influence as he mentioned in a previous speech .

 

[hereditarytitles]

A party at Besos house would give Harry the opportunity to discuss his views on hi tech business and their influence as he mentioned in a previous speech .

After reading this article I think nobody would have had the opportunity to discuss any views at all. It seems like just a very big party with A celebrities having fun, so much that the police was called by neighbors because of the noise.

Police called twice to Kris Jenner's 70th birthday party at Jeff Bezos's mansion

Partygoers 'went absolutely nuts'.

metro.co.uk

 

[Queen Claude]

If Meghan threw a party, she would get a few A-List attendees, but nowhere near the quantity that showed up for Kris Jenner's 70th birthday, but most A-Listers would not get that quantity.

The lesson for Meghan IMO is that it took decades for Kris Jenner to build her and her family's brand. Yet, despite getting to this point, Kris Jenner is not universally loved and respected, rather she has detractors who don't care for her for a myriad of reasons.

Meghan has the ambition, work ethic and hustle IMO, but I do not think Meghan possesses Kris Jenner's combination of not only the aforementioned, but also savvy, relentlessness, resilience, thick-skin along with charisma, charm and "niceness",* and that's OK, very few do.

IMO Meghan, gaffes and all has done well post-BRF, I don't think that she has done well enough to support a Montecito mansion, and I think that is the wild card, or perhaps even Damocles Sword, when it comes to the Sussexes.

* It should be noted that a good chunk of this has been exercised behind the scenes.

 

[TLLK]

Wasn't thatthe infamous event where they took the camera crew with them to the cemetary for footage?

Yes, the couple were photographed/filmed as they paid a private visit and laid a wreath at the Los Angeles National Cemetery in November 2020.

 

[Queen Claude]

For clarification, the Sussexes never issued an official statement on why they broke tradition by declining the courtesy titles (Earl of Dumbarton and Lady) available for Archie and Lilibet during Elizabeth II’s reign. However, multiple anonymous sources shared the “Dumb” explanation with Camilla Tominey of the Telegraph, and a Sussex spokeswoman declined to confirm or deny that explanation.

Perhaps it was just speculation or sources that weren't deemed credible, but wasn't it reported that the Sussexes did not want the trappings of a title, which also went along with them giving their son the name Archie?

I know that sounds far-fetched now after all the kerfuffle over titles over the years, but I thought that reason also reported when Archie's name was revealed and also that he would be known as Archie Harrison Mountbatten-Windsor.

ETA:
I just read the Telegraph article posted above (link) and it addresses my question, although this article was published in June 2021.

Yet the claims have left royal watchers baffled after several sources confirmed to The Telegraph that Harry and Meghan “never raised an issue” about Archie not being a prince until they gave an interview to Oprah Winfrey in March.​

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Harry was said to be “adamant” that Archie, now two, "should be raised without titles like his cousins Peter and Zara Philips".​

 

[Heavs]

Yes, the couple were photographed/filmed as they paid a private visit and laid a wreath at the Los Angeles National Cemetery in November 2020.

It wasn't so much "photographed as they paid a private visit" so much as "arranged a cemetery photoshoot with their own personal photographer and released it to the press". Of all their antics that was one that really, really angered me.

 

[Tatiana Maria]

Perhaps it was just speculation or sources that weren't deemed credible, but wasn't it reported that the Sussexes did not want the trappings of a title, which also went along with them giving their son the name Archie?

I know that sounds far-fetched now after all the kerfuffle over titles over the years, but I thought that reason also reported when Archie's name was revealed and also that he would be known as Archie Harrison Mountbatten-Windsor.

ETA:
I just read the Telegraph article posted above (link) and it addresses my question, although this article was published in June 2021.

Yet the claims have left royal watchers baffled after several sources confirmed to The Telegraph that Harry and Meghan “never raised an issue” about Archie not being a prince until they gave an interview to Oprah Winfrey in March.​

​

Harry was said to be “adamant” that Archie, now two, "should be raised without titles like his cousins Peter and Zara Philips".​

The Sussexes’ spokesman actually put it on the record in 2019 that the Duke and Duchess of Sussex wanted and expected their son Archie to become HRH Prince, once Charles III became King, under George V’s Letters Patent of 1917.

From the briefing to royal reporters at the time of Archie’s birth in 2019:

‘“The Sussexes have chosen not to give their children courtesy titles at this time, however, on the change of reign the George V convention would apply,” a senior source told the Evening Standard.

[…] The Evening Standard understands that Harry and Meghan are happy for their son - who is 7th in line to the throne - to take his rightful title in due course but decided to keep things simple for now. When Prince Charles becomes King, all children and grandchildren on the direct male line of the Sovereign automatically gain HRH status.’

Royal baby news: Archie Harrison WILL become prince when THIS happens

MEGHAN Markle and Prince Harry’s baby Archie Harrison Mountbatten-Windsor will become a prince under special circumstances, royal correspondent Imtiaz Tyab has revealed.

www.express.co.uk

Other well-known royal reporters such as Chris Ship of ITV and Max Foster of CNN reported the same in 2019.


This 2021 report confirmed that the “senior source” who briefed royal reporters in 2019 about Archie’s “rightful [Prince] title in due course” was the Sussexes’ spokesman:

“Earlier this year, a source close to the Sussexes confirmed they did indeed expect Archie to be named a Prince when Charles, Archie's grandfather, acceded to the throne. Their spokesman at the time was even instructed to remind journalists of that 'fact'.”

Prince Charles won't let Archie be a prince as he slims down monarchy

The heir to the throne has made it clear that Harry and Meghan's son will have no place among frontline Royals as he plans a slimmed-down Monarchy after he becomes King.

www.dailymail.co.uk

I too remember a mass of speculation about the Sussexes not wanting titles for their children – but the speculation flew against the face of the Sussex spokesman’s comments at the time of Archie's birth in 2019, where he was clear that the Duke and Duchess of Sussex wanted a royal title for their child in Charles III’s reign, even though they had rejected the non-royal title in Elizabeth II’s reign.

 

[Toledo]

If Meghan threw a party, she would get a few A-List attendees, but nowhere near the quantity that showed up for Kris Jenner's 70th birthday, but most A-Listers would not get that quantity.

The lesson for Meghan IMO is that it took decades for Kris Jenner to build her and her family's brand. Yet, despite getting to this point, Kris Jenner is not universally loved and respected, rather she has detractors who don't care for her for a myriad of reasons.

Meghan has the ambition, work ethic and hustle IMO, but I do not think Meghan possesses Kris Jenner's combination of not only the aforementioned, but also savvy, relentlessness, resilience, thick-skin along with charisma, charm and "niceness",* and that's OK, very few do.

IMO Meghan, gaffes and all has done well post-BRF, I don't think that she has done well enough to support a Montecito mansion, and I think that is the wild card, or perhaps even Damocles Sword, when it comes to the Sussexes.

* It should be noted that a good chunk of this has been exercised behind the scenes.

I have more respect for Kris Jenner as a businesswoman than for Meghan as a jam and wine entrepreneur. Kris is almost a copy of what Ozzy Osborne's wife did, take charge and find clever ways to be on TV and produce an income to support the family. Kris put on the hard work, passed her know-how to her daughters and now everyone is financially independent.

Meghan married a prince and created a brand, that circles solely around her, with her husband's UK titles as the business card or sorts. To this day she still has not developed into a steady, solid business.

If the spouse or titles are removed out of the equation, Meghan has nothing to show but become a historical curiosity. Kris has no titles and took charge of everything and gave us a new type of reality TV formula everyone copies. Kris, on her 70th birthday, has the the A-listers come and pay their respects for her.

 

[taogg]

Also, Meghan never "accepted" a royal title

I too remember a mass of speculation about the Sussexes not wanting titles for their children – but the speculation flew against the face of the Sussex spokesman’s comments at the time of Archie's birth in 2019, where he was clear that the Duke and Duchess of Sussex wanted a royal title for their child in Charles III’s reign, even though they had rejected the non-royal title in Elizabeth II’s reign.

That’s exactly what I remember too. When Archie was born, they said they didn’t want a title for him. But when Charles became king, they made it clear their kids had the right to be called prince and princess.

People can change their minds over time, but it’s pretty obvious they “accepted” the titles since they initially did not “accept” them.

 

[Somebody]

They may have been worried that if they accepted the use of the subsidiary title for Archie (mimicking the titles for Edward’s children) (and Lilibet), the powers that be (king Charles) might have decided to keep it at that and not continue the convention that raised them to the status of prince and princess.

 

[taogg]

They may have been worried that if they accepted the use of the subsidiary title for Archie (mimicking the titles for Edward’s children) (and Lilibet), the powers that be (king Charles) might have decided to keep it at that and not continue the convention that raised them to the status of prince and princess.

The public didn’t see it that way, unfortunately. People just teased them for being hypocritical. Every action comes with a consequence.

 

[Hallo girl]

The public didn’t see it that way, unfortunately. People just teased them for being hypocritical. Every action comes with a consequence.

In the Oprah interview it was inferred that Archie was being treated differently, that rules were not being followed which was untrue.

 

[Somebody]

According to People, Buckingham Palace and Prince Harry's team don't agree on whether Harry informed the palace well in advance about his trip to Canada (Harry's version) or that the announcement of his trip came as a surprise to the palace (palace's version).

 

[Kenya]

Imagine having two "recollections may vary" disagreements in the same week!

 

[Toledo]

According to People, Buckingham Palace and Prince Harry's team don't agree on whether Harry informed the palace well in advance about his trip to Canada (Harry's version) or that the announcement of his trip came as a surprise to the palace (palace's version).

I'll believe the palace over Harry any day of the week. He has a noticeable pattern when he gets on the spotlight for doing things and then claiming victimhood.
He never seems to take accountability on what he's doing. His life is has become a perennial explanation of being a professional sufferer as long as his moves are under the aura or royalty to open doors outside the UK.

 

[Curryong]

While BP never ever lies about anything! Really? And BP are always completely competent at all times 24/7 where their communications staff are concerned. Of course they are! Colour me extremely cynical about that, especially regarding recent scandal.

 

[Hallo girl]

While BP never ever lies about anything! Really? And BP are always completely competent at all times 24/7 where their communications staff are concerned. Of course they are! Colour me extremely cynical about that, especially regarding recent scandal.

let us avoid tit for tat.
I am sure Meghan will have receipts for the contact, and once they produce them it will all be cleared up.
The Sussex team met openly with the team from the palace, so I am sure they had correct e mail addresses etc, probably a mis understanding, if a mistake has been made on either side it doesn't infer anybody has lied.
It is possible to say the wrong thing without it being a lie. I say that from personal experience.
Let us see how the wind blows.

 

[Curryong]

Harry is to head to Toronto for a speaking engagement in early December.

Prince Harry to be key speaker at event as organisers gush about 'meeting' duke

The Duke of Sussex has been announced as a headline speaker at an upcoming event.

www.express.co.uk

Harry will be taking to the stage at The Orea Power House Conference to talk about all things “service and leadership”. The event, which is dubbed a political affairs conference where “leaders, political pundits and powerful insiders” discuss real estate policy, housing supply and the Canadian economy, will be held on December 1 at The Hilton, Toronto.

Speakers - OREA Powerhouse Conference 2025

oreapowerhouse.ca

 

[Hallo girl]

Harry is to head to Toronto for a speaking engagement in early December.

Prince Harry to be key speaker at event as organisers gush about 'meeting' duke

The Duke of Sussex has been announced as a headline speaker at an upcoming event.

www.express.co.uk

Harry will be taking to the stage at The Orea Power House Conference to talk about all things “service and leadership”. The event, which is dubbed a political affairs conference where “leaders, political pundits and powerful insiders” discuss real estate policy, housing supply and the Canadian economy, will be held on December 1 at The Hilton, Toronto.

Speakers - OREA Powerhouse Conference 2025

oreapowerhouse.ca

I am really sorry but what experience has Harry of real estate policy, housing and the Canadian economy. As for ' service and leadership' , IMO very little or what he did have he squandered.
In my eyes his behaviour eliminated any service he previously delivered, and leadership, sadly lacking.

 

[GondorHasNoPants]

I'm a little confused by this 'schedule sharing' story. What does the supposed sharing even achieve? Members of the BRF set their schedules months (if not years) in advance, so they are not going to move anything based on information Harry sends them.

What am I missing?

 

[yukari]

Witness in Prince Harry's privacy case against Mail says statement forged - BBC News

Gavin Burrows says an alleged confession dated 2021 was "prepared by others without my knowledge".

www.bbc.com

A private investigator whose alleged confession of hacking led to household names, including Prince Harry, suing the publisher of the Daily Mail has claimed his signature on the statement was forged, the High Court in London has heard.

Gavin Burrows, who was initially a witness central to the privacy case's most serious allegations of unlawful information gathering, said a statement dated August 2021 was "prepared by others without my knowledge".

 

[Kenya]

Harry is to head to Toronto for a speaking engagement in early December.

Interesting that his team announced this appearance in Canada weeks in advance but gave this as the reason they couldn't announce his last appearance in Canada until the first day of William's trip to Brazil -- a mere two days before his trip:

In a statement Harry's team blamed the timing on the fact he is "not afforded the same level of security and protection as other working members of the Royal Family." "It means therefore, that the period of time in which we can release details of events is much more truncated than it is for His Majesty the King or the Prince of Wales", his spokesman added.

Source

Funny how that works.

 

[Somebody]

See also the previous discussion after the initial release of this news about his appearance in Toronto early December on November 4.

 

[TLLK]

I'm a little confused by this 'schedule sharing' story. What does the supposed sharing even achieve? Members of the BRF set their schedules months (if not years) in advance, so they are not going to move anything based on information Harry sends them.

What am I missing?

Like you I am baffled by the Sussexes wanting to "share schedules" with the BRF. The pair are private citizens now, not senior royals.

 

[Curryong]

Perhaps because the constant prattling of the UK media/royal ‘experts’ and SM etc about any appearance at all for years by the Sussexes has been constantly characterised as ‘another attempt to overshadow the Cambridges/ Pr and Prss of Wales’.

Wasn’t the appearance in London several months ago of Palace communications teams and that of the Sussexes Communications officer publicly having drinks together at a private London club, stated to be a coming together of the two teams to possibly strategise and not clash? That at least wasn’t officially denied by the Palace at the time.

 

[Somebody]

Yes, this summer it was reported that Harry sharing his schedule ahead of time with the BRF was part of his effort to regain trust with the BRF. And according to People, the explicit purpose was to avoid clashes.