The Duke and Duchess of Sussex and Family, May 7, 2025--

[GondorHasNoPants]

The High Court in London has ruled that lawyers representing Prince Harry cannot use allegations about the Princess of Wales being targeted in his privacy lawsuit against the Daily Mail.

Reuters Article

The Times Article (Archived)

 

[Tatiana Maria]

Full court ruling and Appendix:

Sussex and others -v- Associated Newspapers - Courts and Tribunals Judiciary

Neutral Citation Number: [2025] EWHC 2573 (KB) Case numbers: KB-2022-003316KB-2022-003317KB-2022-003318KB-2022-003340KB-2022-003357KB-2022-003404 In the High Court of JusticeKing’s Bench DivisionMedia and Communications List 10 October 2025 Before: The Honourable Mr Justice Nicklin Between: (1)...

www.judiciary.uk

The ruling in a nutshell:

Mr. Justice Nicklin stands by his intention (which he already expressed in his July 2025 judgment in this case) to keep the court case narrowly focused “on fair resolution [...] of each Claimant's claim that s/he has been the subject of UIG [unlawful information gathering]”.

He remains adamant that he will not allow “an uncontrolled and wide-ranging investigation akin to a public inquiry” about whether the Mail’s publishers “widely and habitually carried out or commissioned illegal or unlawful information gathering activities for the purposes of obtaining, preparing or furthering the publication of articles in its newspapers”.

He also criticizes the claimants for their lateness in introducing new allegations. (Is that common in civil litigation? I would have assumed top-flight lawyers would be punctual.)

 

[iceflower]

The Duke and Duchess of Sussex attended the Project Healthy Minds World Mental Health Day Festival in New York City today, October 10:


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Project Healthy Minds on Instagram: "From all of us at @projecthealthyminds, Happy World Mental Health Day. 💚 What’s one thing you do to feel 10/10?"

615 likes, 81 comments - projecthealthyminds on October 10, 2025: "From all of us at @projecthealthyminds, Happy World Mental Health Day. 💚 What’s one thing you do to feel 10/10?".

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TODAY on Instagram: "Harry, Duke of Sussex, talked about the importance of community in helping to better mental health at the World Mental Health Day Festival in New York City. Meghan also attended the event, put on by Project Healthy Minds, and int

177 likes, 17 comments - todayshow on October 10, 2025: "Harry, Duke of Sussex, talked about the importance of community in helping to better mental health at the World Mental Health Day Festival in New York City. Meghan also attended the event, put on by Project Healthy Minds, and introduced a...

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Meghan takes to stage again after being named Humanitarian of the Year

Meghan Markle has taken to the stage at a World Mental Health Day festival in New York just hours after both she and Prince Harry were crowned 'Humanitarians of The Year'.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Prince Harry Reflects on What the 'Past Five Years Have Taught Us' on World Mental Health Day in N.Y.C. with Meghan Markle

Meghan Markle and Prince Harry are continuing their New York City trip with an appearance at Project Healthy Minds' World Mental Health Day Festival on World Mental Health Day.

people.com

Meghan Markle Rewears a Favorite Ralph Lauren Striped Shirt for a Busy NYC Day

The Duke and Duchess of Sussex are attending Project Healthy Minds' World Mental Health Day Festival.

www.townandcountrymag.com

 

[caethi]

How much time has Meghan spent in Paris? Assuming she even knew what road it was, does she really know the city well enough to know that road's location relative to her own at every moment? I don't normally defend her, but I'm wondering if her critics haven't given her a bit too much "credit" here.

But it amounts to the same thing either way. Not knowing where the bridge was, or not thinking about it, or not caring about it wouldn't have been a problem, because no one would have known. All she had to do was not film herself with her feet up (or at all!) driving around Paris. Whether she meant to use that bridge as a backdrop or not, the problem is the incessant attention-seeking behavior that often doesn't go as planned.

Yes, the problem is that she filmed and posted it. It was, at best, "tone deaf".

 

[pieve]

Prince Harry revives his security fight with the Home Office

Prince Harry is lobbying the Home Secretary over his security when in the UK

www.standard.co.uk

Prince Harry has time to waste, as he has just reignited his fight for his safety in the UK.
It's true that during his last trip to London, a woman approached him twice. It turns out this woman is a Sussex fan and was blocked by Prince Harry's security detail.
So, his security detail is working well, and that's enough. Why would he want more at the expense of British taxpayers? It's all getting tiresome.
There's already been a court case and four judges upholding his security detail, as it was set up during Megxit.
What doesn't Harry understand when he's told no?

 

[Tatiana Maria]

Technically, according to the Duke's spokesperson, he is not asking the Home Secretary for more security: "all he’s asking is for Ravec to abide by its own rules which state that an RMB should be conducted each year. The last one for the duke was in 2019."

(For those who have not closely followed the cases: The reason the Duke is not receiving a boilerplate annual assessment by the RMB is that he is instead receiving a bespoke, "much more focussed consideration" informed by up-to-date threat assessments in advance of every single one of his visits to the UK. The typical yearly RMB assessment would not "work as effectively", according to the then head of security and counterterrorism.)

The Duke of Sussex, R (on the application of) v The Secretary of State for the Home Department - Find Case Law - The National Archives

caselaw.nationalarchives.gov.uk

 

[hereditarytitles]

It's hard to understand why he doesn't see that this solution is the best possible one for him. It offers him far more security, especially since he rarely travels to Great Britian anyway.

There must be something else behind it; perhaps it makes him angry that different rules apply to him than to the rest of the family, and he feels disadvantaged once again.

 

[Toledo]

Technically, according to the Duke's spokesperson, he is not asking the Home Secretary for more security: "all he’s asking is for Ravec to abide by its own rules which state that an RMB should be conducted each year. The last one for the duke was in 2019."
...

The Duke of Sussex, R (on the application of) v The Secretary of State for the Home Department - Find Case Law - The National Archives

caselaw.nationalarchives.gov.uk

@Tatiana Maria I'm reading the opening lines on the link and to this day it baffles me how Harry and his legal team don't understand this is a losing battle. He might refer himself to be the 'dragon slayer' warrior on his quest to fight reporters, but in military terms this battles proves how bad General Harry Sussex would be if in charge of a war squadron.

The claimant challenges, by way of judicial review, the decision of the Executive Committee for the Protection of Royalty and Public Figures (RAVEC), communicated in a letter of 28 February 2020 that, as a result of his change in status in the Royal Family, he would no longer be provided with the same degree of publicly-funded personal protective security by the police, when in Great Britain...​

I like the way the court refers to plaintiffs and other people associated with this case as Dramatis Personae because when defined it clearly shows how to really define Harry and his case:

Dramatis personae (Latin: 'persons of the drama') are the main characters in a dramatic work written in a list... such as a metaphor, a drama, or a court case. It may also be facetiously applied in a situation where members of a group appear to play predictable roles, often for comic effect.​

Dramatis personae - Wikipedia

Well, I take that the UK legal world and UK taxpayers are laughing at this comic effect every time it comes up in the news.

 

[TLLK]

Technically, according to the Duke's spokesperson, he is not asking the Home Secretary for more security: "all he’s asking is for Ravec to abide by its own rules which state that an RMB should be conducted each year. The last one for the duke was in 2019."

(For those who have not closely followed the cases: The reason the Duke is not receiving a boilerplate annual assessment by the RMB is that he is instead receiving a bespoke, "much more focussed consideration" informed by up-to-date threat assessments in advance of every single one of his visits to the UK. The typical yearly RMB assessment would not "work as effectively", according to the then head of security and counterterrorism.)

The Duke of Sussex, R (on the application of) v The Secretary of State for the Home Department - Find Case Law - The National Archives

caselaw.nationalarchives.gov.uk

Thank you for explaining the difference between Harry's RMB and his bespoke more focused one that would take place prior to any planned visit. I'm sure that in order to conduct a thorough and up-to-date assessment is the reason that RAVEC would require him and/or his family to give them 28 day notice.
Why Harry cannot understand that this is actually in his favor is baffling to me.

 

[iceflower]

The Duchess of Sussex on the International Day of the Girl:

Meghan, Duchess of Sussex on Instagram: "To all the girls - this world is yours. Do everything you can to protect your rights, use your voice, support each other. We will do the same for you. It’s your right and our responsibility. Go get ‘em gir

meghan on October 10, 2025: "To all the girls - this world is yours. Do everything you can to protect your rights, use your voice, support each other. We will do the same for you. It’s your right and our responsibility. Go get ‘em girl! 🏃‍♀️ Happy International Day of the Girl".

www.instagram.com

Better not read between the lines...

 

[TLLK]

The Times Royal Nikkah on Prince Harry's most recent issues with the Home Office and how this will potentially impact his goal to repair his relationship with King Charles III.

Prince Harry security push risks reconciliation with King Charles

archived 11 Oct 2025 20:46:13 UTC

archive.ph

 

[Kenya]

I hope this latest turn of events has been enlightening for Charles. Harry loses his security appeal and bitterly complains about "establishment stich-ups" and insinuates that his father could ensure Harry got security if he wanted to. But then he also (magnanimously) says that there's no point in fighting any longer because who knows how much time his father has left?

Then after "secret" communications team meet-ups and numerous "sources" detailing how much Harry is open to reconciliation, Harry makes a triumphant return to London -- at least according to the collection of journalists hand-chosen by him to cover his trip.

But, oh no. We soon learned his trip to the world's most dangerous country was marred by a (useful friendly) stalker, thus proving how his life is in jeopardy every time he steps onto British soil. And now, he's asking the new Home Secretary to have RAVEC do a new risk assessment. Fin. Like clockwork.

And that's not even getting into all the drama and leaking following the tea at Clarence House. At a certain point, Charles has to ask himself how much he's willing to be used to further Harry's rather obvious agenda.

 

[Marengo]

Several posts in this thread have been deleted as they were not in line with the framework within which this discussion can be hosted here at TRF. Specifically there was a long and in-depth discussion only rehashing old events. In accordance with the disclaimer on page one these posts have been deleted and posters have been notified.

 

[iceflower]

The Duchess of Sussex about her stay in New York City - interesting to see what HER highlights were..

Meghan, Duchess of Sussex on Instagram: "Until the next time, NYC - thanks for the memories! (You really know how to charm a gal)."

meghan on October 13, 2025: "Until the next time, NYC - thanks for the memories! (You really know how to charm a gal).".

www.instagram.com

Meghan Markle visits feminist icon friend Gloria Steinem in New York

The Duchess of Sussex , 43, looked immaculate in a stone trench-style coat and dark sunglasses after visiting Gloria Steinem.

www.dailymail.co.uk

And today, October 14, she participated in the Fortune Most Powerful Women Summit 2025 at Salamander Hotel in Washington, DC.


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Meghan Markle steps out in Washington D.C. for 'powerful women' conversation — highlights

See all the photos and details from Meghan Markle's appearance at Fortune's Most Powerful Women Summit in Washington D.C.

www.hellomagazine.com

Duchess Meghan Slipped Into a Breezy White Look for a Surprise Appearance in D.C.

And she made some rare comments about her two kids

www.harpersbazaar.com

Meghan reveals plans to release 'short films' after Netflix ended deal

The Duchess of Sussex discussed life as a 'high-profile business founder' as she appeaed at the summit in Washington DC this afternoon.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Meghan, Duchess of Sussex on Instagram: "Love being surrounded by strong women supporting each other! Thanks to @fortunempw , my team, DC, and my sweet friends for the 24 hours of impact (and fun!)"

meghan on October 15, 2025: "Love being surrounded by strong women supporting each other! Thanks to @fortunempw , my team, DC, and my sweet friends for the 24 hours of impact (and fun!)".

www.instagram.com

 

[Diarist]

I hope this latest turn of events has been enlightening for Charles. Harry loses his security appeal and bitterly complains about "establishment stich-ups" and insinuates that his father could ensure Harry got security if he wanted to. But then he also (magnanimously) says that there's no point in fighting any longer because who knows how much time his father has left?

Then after "secret" communications team meet-ups and numerous "sources" detailing how much Harry is open to reconciliation, Harry makes a triumphant return to London -- at least according to the collection of journalists hand-chosen by him to cover his trip.

But, oh no. We soon learned his trip to the world's most dangerous country was marred by a (useful friendly) stalker, thus proving how his life is in jeopardy every time he steps onto British soil. And now, he's asking the new Home Secretary to have RAVEC do a new risk assessment. Fin. Like clockwork.

And that's not even getting into all the drama and leaking following the tea at Clarence House. At a certain point, Charles has to ask himself how much he's willing to be used to further Harry's rather obvious agenda.

I do wonder how much Charles actually knows about the detail of all this. Charles famously does not read newspapers - on his own admission! Compare and contrast with HLM who read The Daily Telegraph and the [forum despised!] Daily Mail each day to give her an insight to what her subjects were thinking about. [She also read the Racing Post but that is not really relevant here!!!!]. By contrast, Charles has always relied on his staff to brief him about relevant articles in the Press. The way I see it is that as Charles is known for his terrible temper when things displease him, I just do not think that his staff would risk angering him by giving him more that the briefest of details - especially as he is quite ill [as noted by Camilla Tominey of the Daily Telegraph.] My own gut feeling is that Charles has simply been told by his staff that Harry is still not happy about his security and protection and little else!

Incidentally, I found it rather strange that the meeting between 'Harry's people and the King's people at the Royal Overseas League was obviously leaked - believe me, that is not the sort of venue and meeting the press would come across 'by accident'. And rather odd that the paper 'tipped off' was The Mail on Sunday, part of the hated Daily Mail Group.

I have always thought that Harry has never been able to see that his approach to the press is inconsistent! Just because he does not agree with an article does not mean that the newspaper in question is automatically suspect!

 

[Diarist]

@Tatiana Maria I'm reading the opening lines on the link and to this day it baffles me how Harry and his legal team don't understand this is a losing battle. He might refer himself to be the 'dragon slayer' warrior on his quest to fight reporters, but in military terms this battles proves how bad General Harry Sussex would be if in charge of a war squadron.

The claimant challenges, by way of judicial review, the decision of the Executive Committee for the Protection of Royalty and Public Figures (RAVEC), communicated in a letter of 28 February 2020 that, as a result of his change in status in the Royal Family, he would no longer be provided with the same degree of publicly-funded personal protective security by the police, when in Great Britain...​

I like the way the court refers to plaintiffs and other people associated with this case as Dramatis Personae because when defined it clearly shows how to really define Harry and his case:

Dramatis personae (Latin: 'persons of the drama') are the main characters in a dramatic work written in a list... such as a metaphor, a drama, or a court case. It may also be facetiously applied in a situation where members of a group appear to play predictable roles, often for comic effect.​

Dramatis personae - Wikipedia

Well, I take that the UK legal world and UK taxpayers are laughing at this comic effect every time it comes up in the news.

I suspect that actually Harry's legal team can see this only too clearly, but English [and no doubt all common law] lawyers act only on their client's instructions and therefore if Harry says 'carry on' they will do so....

The TImes and The Telegraph over the years have always said that Harry has no idea of costs ...and so he cannot comprehend the enormous amount of money that his stupidity is costing....

[I hope Meghan is making a lot of Jam!!]

 

[Hallo girl]

Thank you for explaining the difference between Harry's RMB and his bespoke more focused one that would take place prior to any planned visit. I'm sure that in order to conduct a thorough and up-to-date assessment is the reason that RAVEC would require him and/or his family to give them 28 day notice.
Why Harry cannot understand that this is actually in his favor is baffling to me.

This baffles me as well, he is asking for the annual assessment like the others, but if he intends visiting several times as he himself indicated surely the ad hoc would be more up to date. I suspect there is more to it.

 

[Somebody]

It seems he tries to get the same treatment as the other royals; which most likely has additional -yet undisclosed- benefits in his eyes. And furthermore, it is interesting how he wants a yearly review for himself as a requirement for his wife and children to visit the UK. He can hardly argue that he cannot safely visit the UK with the current arrangement as he has visited multiple times over the last few years, so the only leverage he has left are his family members.

 

[Kronprinz]

Meghan risks being called 'out-of-touch' AGAIN as she posts NY reel - and Harry in grey track pants

One shot shows an army of pointed toe designer heels lined up, colour coded, on the floor.

The next sees a rack of expensive tops and leather bags before the camera pans to yet more clothes, in the form of rows upon rows of trousers arranged neatly on hangers.

Did she actually answer any question? 'Year of learns'?

 

[Diarist]

Well, If Meghan is really doing what she wants, then I am sincerely happy for her, but it does seem very different from a life of public service which she turned down.

I am also not entirely sure that Harry is really happy. He seems to be barely smiling in the latest videos I have seen of the couple - in fact he looks mostly like an angry goblin

[.....]

If HLM was still alive, I wonder what she would make of the couple, who after all initially said that they were off to carve a more private life for themselves..

 

[Kronprinz]

Meghan Markle invited herself to Paris fashion week, Balenciaga designer reveals

“Meghan and I met some years ago, and we’ve been texting ever since,” Piccioli, 58, told The Cut on Saturday, Oct. 11. “She reached out and said she’d love to come to the show.”

Markle, meanwhile, also came under fire during Paris fashion week for bursting out into a fit of laughter while sitting front row at the designer label’s spring-summer 2026 show.

 

[taogg]

Meghan Markle invited herself to Paris fashion week, Balenciaga designer reveals

So she wasn’t exactly invited to the show, and Piccioli is apparently not her “friend” after all. Exchanging texts over the years sounds more like a modern pen pal to me. Anyway, her debut last week made international headlines, so I suppose that’s a win for her and Balenciaga.

 

[Kenya]

If HLM was still alive, I wonder what she would make of the couple, who after all initially said that they were off to carve a more private life for themselves..

It's a long way from "Service is universal" to "Hey, check out my rows of shoes, clothes, and lipsticks!"

 

[ladyjolene]

She's at this point where she wants to throw spaghetti at the wall and see what sticks. It comes across as rather desperate. One moment, she wants to be Martha Stewart or Nigella, but these women have honed their brands for decades. She would have been better off following Pam Anderson's format of inviting professionals on the show and them demonstrating how to do things. She's not pretending to know everything, but it's a show about learning new skills. However, Meg doesn't have Pam's charm and charisma.

 

[GondorHasNoPants]

She would have been better off following Pam Anderson's format of inviting professionals on the show and them demonstrating how to do things. She's not pretending to know everything, but it's a show about learning new skills. However, Meg doesn't have Pam's charm and charisma.

I've always thought she should do this type of show - use her influence and public profile to bring lesser known but extremely talented people to her audience's attention. But that requires stepping back and allowing someone else to be the focus of attention, instead of always taking the centre stage yourself, and I think Meghan wants the attention to be on her.

 

[Hallo girl]

We're in total agreement that it was a crass video. I just think any Diana connection was unintentional. But the rest of it -- the look, the pretentiousness, the performance -- all intentional.

On Meghan's fan base, I'd guess it's people 25-40, so nearly all people who would not recall much, if anything, about Diana. In fact, she mentioned in her Bloomberg interview that she's aiming for people who are just starting out or the schoolgirl who would buy some jam and reuse the jar because it's so special. [Gagging as I type that...]

It is interesting when you come back and revisit earlier posts and the opinions of other posters, you are possibly correct that Meghan did not set out to emulate the Paris car journey of Diana, but the fact that she could not foresee how this would play out and be viewed by others does tell you a great deal about her character.

 

[Curryong]

Chad has restored its working relationship with African Parks with ongoing talks and cooperation, the BBC reports. Harry is a board member of the charity and no doubt will be very pleased.

Chad restores ties with wildlife charity linked to Prince Harry

Chad had terminated its agreement with African Parks after accusing it of failing to curb poaching.

www.bbc.com

 

[Toledo]

Meghan risks being called 'out-of-touch' AGAIN as she posts NY reel - and Harry in grey track pants

Did she actually answer any question? 'Year of learns'?

Every time I see an interview with Meghan what I notice is the level of adulation from the interviewer enhancing Meghan as if she was the most fascinating person in the room. And then we witness the duchess going into full word salad. Words and gestures piled on top of each other in a sentence that says nothing about what she is asked about. It's all a word-play to tell a story of success without actually doing nothing but 'motivate' souls with her encouragement.

But I have to say she has become an expert in the art of selling motivational words. Her confidence on spewing talking points and key inspirational phrases has become an artform on her speeches.

 

[ACO]

Meghan has always been well spoken and charismatic. She presents herself as a girls girl and is very attractive. Love her or hate it. Doesn’t really matter. She knows how to navigate in many different circles. And it has worked for her all her life.

 

[Toledo]

Meghan has always been well spoken and charismatic. She presents herself as a girls girl and is very attractive. Love her or hate it. Doesn’t really matter. She knows how to navigate in many different circles. And it has worked for her all her life.

I neither love her and absolutely not hate her. My opinion is based on her actions that had my head spinning like a top since she came out of nowhere, a Z-list actress on a TV show we never heard about, joined the royal family and abandoned everything that was given to her only for her association with Harry.

She was loved, admired and was the most popular person at that time because, my suspicion, she was viewed not as a fresh face in the royal family but as the person that straighten the rascally wild prince away. She made him from being a man-child party animal to a responsible adult family-oriented man.

Then she threw it all away when just being royal was not just enough. Even worst, we all saw a pattern repeated in all her family interactions when the need to allow space for an extended family becomes an obstacle on her need to be the center of attention at all times. To this day I'm waiting for her Instagram to include her mom's extensive family that cared and loved her.

Is not hate, I'm sure in person and without cameras she has to be a very nice lady. We all know of have worked with people like her, a bit delusional and with an odd person reputation. Yet when you get to meet them they are really nice and fun to be around. But with Meghan it's disappointment, not hate. It has been said many times her inability to read the room and be aware to self-correct her message, like in the interview above.

Her words just lead the people she wants to help nowhere but into hitting a wall, full of graffiti with her recycled inspirational phrases, and nothing to show on the other side. Her words carefully lined with inspiring quotes that seem squeezed out of a Pinterest board and don't have much impact on anyone any more that reading a bumper sticker on a car in front or me saying 'hang in there'.

I agree with you that She knows how to navigate in many different circles but I also see she doesn't navigate, she wants people to navigate around and toward her like a compass pointing North. I wish I could see her once to be herself in an interview and speak her mind freely and not give us a word salad of quotes and inspirations. That's next to impossible when she only talks to desperate unknown interviewers that cling on to her to promote themselves, too. Everybody is playing a game and wearing a mask while at it.

She is a fascinating creature to watch on an interview, if you don't mind losing brain cells by the end of it.