The Duke and Duchess of Sussex and Family, May 7, 2025--

[Toledo]

Isn't it amazing the products are just flying off the shelves, often sold out within minutes. What a success Meghan is as an entrepreneur! Perhaps the next cover she will appear on will be Forbes.

The question is how many products were available to start with? Ten? A thousand?

I'm getting a lot of the 'sold out' in the articles and mentions but nothing to point out what was the inventory and from the sales how much percentage she made and how much she had to pay to the company that did all the work in secret before she covered it up with her label.

Case and point, the discovery her tea was just a relabeled product from a company and she marked it up 75%, or three times the real cost, just by placing her label on it as the only effort made by the busy bee duchess.
We need receipts.

 

[Noble Consort Ming]

Are there any influencer types or people who review products like this that have done so with her wine? I'm starting to feel that some of these products don't exist appart from those made for the photos. And those could be AI as well.

 

[Sunnystar]

Are there any influencer types or people who review products like this that have done so with her wine? I'm starting to feel that some of these products don't exist appart from those made for the photos. And those could be AI as well.

The wine hasn't shipped yet. I believe I saw it mentioned on X that customers were informed on Tuesday when they made their purchases that the wine wouldn't ship immediately because of concerns over the long holiday weekend delaying delivery & impacting the storage/handling - like bottles getting overheated & exploding due to overheating, etc.

 

[Toledo]

Are there any influencer types or people who review products like this that have done so with her wine? I'm starting to feel that some of these products don't exist apart from those made for the photos. And those could be AI as well.

I won't be surprised it's a 'smoke and mirrors' enterprise where a production of an alleged item is just a play on words to have the company on everyone's news with nothing or no one that demonstrates it really exists or is available for an expert review.
The so called YouTube fashion makeup influencers are notorious for doing this through the years. They buy a premade product, often manufactured in mass quantities in China, the middleman company places the influencer label on it and a limited pre-purchased amount is sold until nothing else is left.

And there's no restocking but the influencer goes to a channel to describe their participation with the 'labs' and how they did all the research like if the YouTuber was a Chemistry Major. In the case of Meghan, this similar situation was exposed a few days ago with the Tea scandal. It serves as a teaching lesson how celebrities just plain lie on claims about a pre-purchased product they strap their name on for resale.

At this point I think we all should also jump in and get our own Royal Forums Wine Collection, too out there! It will have an harmonious and aromatic taste of Napa Valley via Montecito, luxuriously smooth and indulgent with a complex, but crisp, edge with a noticeable sense of acidity and skepticism.

If anyone gets a hold of a bottle of Meghan's As Ever wine, here are suggestions on the wording to use to describe it for us the untitled plebeians.

 

[GondorHasNoPants]

I would happily buy a bottle of Meghan's wine if I could buy it on a per bottle basis in a local store. But $110 (including postage) is way more than I'm willing to risk on a wine I've never had before. That's a lot of dollars to pour away (or cook with) if it turns out to not be good.

Has there been any mention so far of which winery is providing the actual wine?

 

[yukari]

The question is how many products were available to start with? Ten? A thousand?

I'm getting a lot of the 'sold out' in the articles and mentions but nothing to point out what was the inventory and from the sales how much percentage she made and how much she had to pay to the company that did all the work in secret before she covered it up with her label.

Case and point, the discovery her tea was just a relabeled product from a company and she marked it up 75%, or three times the real cost, just by placing her label on it as the only effort made by the busy bee duchess.
We need receipts.

Why does it matter for us how many products she managed to sell? If it's all just marketing or self-gratification to make her look successful, good for her ego then. Hopefully she manages to gain some profit since there something called breakeven point, if not (and she keeps doing this) then she's basically just draining her money.

If she manages to sells tons of products, good on her then. After all she needs money to earn money to pay for her lifestyle (those big mansion maintenance doesn't pay itself you now), not to mention two children to raise.

And why do we need receipts? She's not public servant (nor she's a working royal anymore), she has no such accountability obligation for us. Even if she turns out running her business by scamming, well then it's rather unfortunate for whomever she manages to scam (and hopefully they'll learn their lesson after that). Although from what I could see, some people seems to be happy enough to buy her products just to create contents bashing her. I'd say it's quite toxic entanglement, but it both parties can gain something from it (money and gratification, Meghan from the sold out and social media engagement for those content creators), then I guess it's a win-win.

 

[Sunnystar]

I would happily buy a bottle of Meghan's wine if I could buy it on a per bottle basis in a local store. But $110 (including postage) is way more than I'm willing to risk on a wine I've never had before. That's a lot of dollars to pour away (or cook with) if it turns out to not be good.

Has there been any mention so far of which winery is providing the actual wine?

Sleuths on X have identified the winery as Kunde Family Winery, located in the Sonoma Valley. Kunde Family Winery

 

[TLLK]

Sleuths on X have identified the winery as Kunde Family Winery, located in the Sonoma Valley. Kunde Family Winery

I believe that Meghan's wine has Napa on the label, but as I recall you can label the wine as "Napa" if 85% of the grapes were grown there.

 

[Sunnystar]

I believe that Meghan's wine has Napa on the label, but as I recall you can label the wine as "Napa" if 85% of the grapes were grown there.

I'm going to operate under the assumption that the winery knows & understands the requirements for the labeling of its own wine, though if it has been mislabeled then I'm equally sure the detractors on X will ferret that information out & eventually it will get picked up by the press.

 

[Toledo]

I would happily buy a bottle of Meghan's wine if I could buy it on a per bottle basis in a local store. But $110 (including postage) is way more than I'm willing to risk on a wine I've never had before. That's a lot of dollars to pour away (or cook with) if it turns out to not be good.

Has there been any mention so far of which winery is providing the actual wine?

Remember you are not paying for the wine, you are covering for their lifestyle like when they marked up a bag of tea three times the price that the secret producer charged online for...the same bag of tea minus the As Ever tag.
At times I'm thinking if Meghan went to a package store and bought all the not-sold bottles from the $5.00 dollar discount bin and relabeled them $110.00, plus shipping, As Ever.

Just think of this, we have another thread with a certain Rumanian princely couple doing the exact same thing but they show the winery, the production location, etc. So where is this well-proportioned and harmonious, luxuriously smooth and indulgent Montecito Blanc coming from? Her backyard?


After I posted the above I saw this from @Sunnystar revealing the true wine maker now being passed as the $110.00 bottle of Chateau Meghancito, and per sales page their bottles go from $35.00 to $40.00 only. That means Meghan is doing the same trick she did with the tea products by pushing the wine bottles she gets and relabeling them at $110.00 plus shipping.

Sleuths on X have identified the winery as Kunde Family Winery, located in the Sonoma Valley. Kunde Family Winery

In Real Estate placing a property above market is called Price Fixing and considered an antitrust crime:
Excerpt:

Price fixing is an agreement (written, verbal, or inferred from conduct) among competitors to raise, lower, maintain, or stabilize prices or price levels...​

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...Price fixing is a major concern of government antitrust enforcement. Individuals and companies that knowingly enter price-fixing agreements are routinely investigated by the FBI and other federal law enforcement agencies and can be criminally prosecuted. ​

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Potential penalties include lengthy terms of imprisonment (up to ten years) and large fines (up to $1 million for individuals, $100 million for companies, or twice the gain or loss from the offense). Where appropriate, the FTC may also bring a civil enforcement action.​

I don't think Meghan will do time, or be investigated on this. She might as well sell her products on Ebay since the markup used, to buy cheap and in bulk them sell high online, is the same.

 

[Alondra]

I'm going to operate under the assumption that the winery knows & understands the requirements for the labeling of its own wine, though if it has been mislabeled then I'm equally sure the detractors on X will ferret that information out & eventually it will get picked up by the press.

Spanish rose wine has sold as French rose for years. Labels often lie.

When it comes to wines, the best way to know a product is to taste it. If you like it, buy more. If you don't, don't buy it.

Meghan is labelling a wine. If people don't like it, don't buy it.

I don't get the dramas around her and Harry. They are private citizens paying their own way without the support of taxpayers.

 

[Kaye1850]

At times I'm thinking if Meghan went to a package store and bought all the not-sold bottles from the $5.00 dollar discount bin and relabeled them $110.00, plus shipping, As Ever.




After I posted the above I saw this from @Sunnystar revealing the true wine maker now being passed as the $110.00 bottle of Chateau Meghancito, and per sales page their bottles go from $35.00 to $40.00 only. That means Meghan is doing the same trick she did with the tea products by pushing the wine bottles she gets and relabeling them at $110.

The As Ever wine is $30/bottle, but has a 3 bottle minimum. Shipping is $20. $30x3=$90+$20=$110.

 

[Toledo]

The As Ever wine is $30/bottle, but has a 3 bottle minimum. Shipping is $20. $30x3=$90+$20=$110.

If it's a $30.00 bottle that means there's a markup from the original price, if the winery that provides it sells their own starting at 35.00 the original cost has to be much cheaper than 30.00 then.
I'm going back to my assumption these are the $5.00 per bottle discount wine bin rack we see in every package (liquor) store

 

[Mirabel]

Meghan is labelling a wine. If people don't like it, don't buy it.

I don't get the dramas around her and Harry. They are private citizens paying their own way without the support of taxpayers.

To be honest, I think a lot of people enjoy bashing them. It's kind of a sport now. And a bandwagon attracts more passengers.

 

[Ghost]

Meghan is labelling a wine. If people don't like it, don't buy it.

I don't get the dramas around her and Harry. They are private citizens paying their own way without the support of taxpayers.

Except they are not that private. If Meghan Markle, #6 on the call sheet in Suits established herself as a lifestyle guru, selling teas, wines and whatnot I wouldn’t care at all. But this is Meghan Markle, the one who took a crumb of British Royal Family prestige and run away with it and, based on that, is trying to build notoriety and a business.

 

[Emmily]

If anyone gets a hold of a bottle of Meghan's As Ever wine, here are suggestions on the wording to use to describe it for us the untitled plebeians.

They left out "thoughtful."

 

[Alondra]

Except they are not that private. If Meghan Markle, #6 on the call sheet in Suits established herself as a lifestyle guru, selling teas, wines and whatnot I wouldn’t care at all. But this is Meghan Markle, the one who took a crumb of British Royal Family prestige and run away with it and, based on that, is trying to build notoriety and a business.

Harry and Meghan are no longer part of the British royal family. They don't get tax payers moneys or protection by police. They are private citizens able to get business from their connections, as it happens all over the world.

I've never understood the hate against this couple.

 

[Toledo]

To be honest, I think a lot of people enjoy bashing them. It's kind of a sport now. And a bandwagon attracts more passengers.

Is not bashing but commenting on a couple that has decided to sell their image as a model that looks down on others while aspiring to be life style influencers.
And in regard to taxpayers, they blur the lines on that one by running a for-profit business to enhance Meghan and Harry as life style influencers while running a side-by-side non profit that serves as a tax bracket haven. So far their tax-free charity seems to be a name added to other ventures out there doing the heavy lifting.

Have they been more upfront and less fake we would all be cheering them every step of the way. But so far all I see is just another business venture made by social media wannabe influencers passing as a charity to check mark that non-profit box on a tax form for deductions.

 

[Ghost]

It’s not about taxpayer’s money, that’s one of the most useless arguments. The British monarchy is the fifth most valuable brand in the world. That’s what they’ve taken.

 

[Hallo girl]

Harry and Meghan are no longer part of the British royal family. They don't get tax payers moneys or protection by police. They are private citizens able to get business from their connections, as it happens all over the world.

I've never understood the hate against this couple.

I do not hate them, but I am very disappointed in a couple who miscalled the Royal family and the British public in the way they did, the untruthful elements of ‘ their truth ‘.
Yet despite these stories and their apparent dislike of the family and the institution, they insist on using their relationship with this same family and institution to promote themselves. Also pushing for state funded security,
In nearly every podcast/ interview Meghan makes a dig or refers/ hints about something going back years. Meghan in particular drones on about being genuine, authentic, and truthful and IMO she fails on all three.
I would be very happy for them to make a great life for themselves whether it is creating Netflix productions or lifestyle products, I do not really care but deliver it with the values that you claim to have.

 

[Alondra]

I do not hate them, but I am very disappointed in a couple who miscalled the Royal family and the British public in the way they did, the untruthful elements of ‘ their truth ‘.
Yet despite these stories and their apparent dislike of the family and the institution, they insist on using their relationship with this same family and institution to promote themselves. Also pushing for state funded security,
In nearly every podcast/ interview Meghan makes a dig or refers/ hints about something going back years. Meghan in particular drones on about being genuine, authentic, and truthful and IMO she fails on all three.
I would be very happy for them to make a great life for themselves whether it is creating Netflix productions or lifestyle products, I do not really care but deliver it with the values that you claim to have.

Harry is a prince of the UK by being a child of the king. He quit the royal family responsibilities and together with his family made his own way. Never understood the drama but also never understood why the royal family took away his protection in the UK. That move was awful and unprecedented in a royal family in Europe.

 

[Hallo girl]

With all due respect please check the facts around security.

Harry is a prince of the UK by being a child of the king. He quit the royal family responsibilities and together with his family made his own way. Never understood the drama but also never understood why the royal family took away his protection in the UK. That move was awful and unprecedented in a royal family in Europe

 

[Alondra]

It’s not about taxpayer’s money, that’s one of the most useless arguments. The British monarchy is the fifth most valuable brand in the world. That’s what they’ve taken.

Do you mean they are institutional products and not people to make their own decisions?

 

[Alondra]

With all due respect please check the facts around security.

I did. It stinks.

 

[Hallo girl]

I did. It stinks.

Once again with all due respect you posted that the family removed the security and that is incorrect. I will leave it at that until you have fact checked.

 

[Tatiana Maria]

For those interested in facts about the Sussexes' security, here are the most reliable sources available, i.e. findings in a court of law:

The Duke of Sussex, R (On the Application Of) v Secretary of State for the Home Department [2024] EWHC 418 (Admin) (28 February 2024)

HRH The Duke of Sussex, R (On the Application Of) v Secretary of State for the Home Department (Rev1) [2023] EWHC 1228 (Admin) (23 May 2023)

 

[Erin9]

The As Ever wine is $30/bottle, but has a 3 bottle minimum. Shipping is $20. $30x3=$90+$20=$110.

I’d pass just on the shipping cost alone. I can buy plenty of wine without paying that. There is absolutely nothing special about Meghan’s wine except slapping her brand on it. And I definitely wouldn’t want to be forced to buy at least 3 bottles.

I’m spending the weekend in my local wine country. If I buy wine, it’s here. Or the stores where I live.

 

[Alondra]

Nowhere in Europe a son of a king won't have security in their own country. Nowhere in the world, a direct line to a head of state in a G7, won't have full international security.

I have no idea why Charles has allowed it, but it's beyond awful to do this to his own child when there is no reason to.

 

[Maryrose]

Except they are not that private. If Meghan Markle, #6 on the call sheet in Suits established herself as a lifestyle guru, selling teas, wines and whatnot I wouldn’t care at all. But this is Meghan Markle, the one who took a crumb of British Royal Family prestige and run away with it and, based on that, is trying to build notoriety and a business.

I think once they left being working royals any business, talks at forums etc Meghan was always going to be tied with her "connection" to the BRF. Its been a few years now since they left and maybe at the beginning that connection helped open doors but I think at this point she's had some failures (Spotify to name 1 IMO) but I think she found her niche with this lifestyle endeavor which from what I can tell has been pretty successful. People use their connections all the time but it can only carry you so far. You have to be good at what you do.

 

[Tatiana Maria]

a son of a king won't have security in their own country.
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Charles has allowed it [...] do this to his own child

As @Hallo girl pointed out, neither of these statements are true - according to the judges who reviewed extensive testimony and documentation.

The Duke of Sussex continues to enjoy taxpayer-paid security in the UK, and Queen Elizabeth II and Charles Prince of Wales lobbied the government (unsuccessfully) to let him continue enjoying taxpayer-paid security even outside the UK.

I strongly suggest you read the court judgments linked in my last post.