The Crown Prince Family: Opinions

[Countessmeout]

Produced such a daughter???

I really don't get what is so wrong with Marie Olympia. She is a college student, well now grad. Her life is no different then any other college kid. Going to parties, hanging out with friends, having fun. If you look at the social media of college students you wont find anything that different. Especially when there is money to be had. We're not talking some 30 year old woman who is playing and not doing anything with her life.

If we look at the younger royals, when they were in college, she isn't really that different then any of them.

The Greeks are royals in nothing but name. They are private citizens. They don't represent anyone. They don't get money from anyone. They are basically socialites with a title attached. They cant be held to the same standards as the reigning royal families like the UK or Denmark for instance. As long as they aren't harming anyone, how they live is their choice.

She should use her position for the better good? What position is that? She has no position. And again she is a college graduate of a few weeks. She has a few decades ahead of her in life. A little too soon to write her off as a waste of space who helps no one. And not everyone is going to be a philanthropist.



As for marriage to a Dutch or any other royal highly unlikely. Royal to royal marriages are highly unlikely now a days. Not talking the days when they had to marry titles or lose their place in succession. The only ones we see marrying royals/aristocrats now a days are the former royals like the Germans and Austrians. Technically the Greeks are in that bunch, but they don't seem to move as much in those circles.



The same goes for her mother. Marie Chantal is a private citizen, whose father in law just happens to be a former king. She is raising a family and has her own business. Most of her social media posts are her family or for her business. If I had her kind of money, I would travel the world as well.

 

[Nikolopoulus]

"Most of her social media posts are her family" but the most polemic was about the Queen spain., She created a polemic in Spain for expressing herself against the Queen of Spain. later she justified her comment by saying that it was her husband's family... That is not fair.

 

[MARG]

It would be unfair if she didn't personally know and like Queen Sophia. If she does, fair call.

 

[Countessmeout]

She certainly would know the family well. Not just a simple matter of cousins. Her husband and Felipe weren't only cousins, they were college roommates as well. They were roommates when Pavlos and Marie were dating and got engaged. Both the Danish and Spanish royal families were heavily involved in the couple's wedding, Felipe a groomsman.

"Most of her social media posts are her family" but the most polemic was about the Queen spain., She created a polemic in Spain for expressing herself against the Queen of Spain. later she justified her comment by saying that it was her husband's family... That is not fair.

I said 'most' for a reason. 99.9% of her posts are innocent business or family posts.

Yeah the one about Letizia was poor taste at best. But doesn't defeat my point that the majority of her posts are about family and business.

And she was right, she wasn't criticizing 'the queen of Spain', she was criticizing her husband's cousin (by marriage). She just happens to be a queen. What is in poor taste is airing it on social media for the world.

 

[Heavs]

I don't really see anything particularly wrong with MO. She's not doing anything that many of her similarly wealthy friends don't do, including some royals from reigning families who should have much more reason/scope to be more philanthropic. Though don't get me wrong it would be great if she could use any interest in herself to publicly work with charities close to her heart she is certainly not obliged to.

Her father is highly unlikely to ever be king no matter what she does or doesn't do and no tax payers are footing the bill for anything. Her aunt who's parents are both royal is an actress and doesn't seem particularly interested in Greece as a home either so you can't just blame her mother for that.

 

[Mbruno]

Produced such a daughter???

I really don't get what is so wrong with Marie Olympia. She is a college student, well now grad. Her life is no different then any other college kid. Going to parties, hanging out with friends, having fun. If you look at the social media of college students you wont find anything that different. Especially when there is money to be had. We're not talking some 30 year old woman who is playing and not doing anything with her life.

If we look at the younger royals, when they were in college, she isn't really that different then any of them.

The Greeks are royals in nothing but name. They are private citizens. They don't represent anyone. They don't get money from anyone. They are basically socialites with a title attached. They cant be held to the same standards as the reigning royal families like the UK or Denmark for instance. As long as they aren't harming anyone, how they live is their choice.

She should use her position for the better good? What position is that? She has no position. And again she is a college graduate of a few weeks. She has a few decades ahead of her in life. A little too soon to write her off as a waste of space who helps no one. And not everyone is going to be a philanthropist.



As for marriage to a Dutch or any other royal highly unlikely. Royal to royal marriages are highly unlikely now a days. Not talking the days when they had to marry titles or lose their place in succession. The only ones we see marrying royals/aristocrats now a days are the former royals like the Germans and Austrians. Technically the Greeks are in that bunch, but they don't seem to move as much in those circles.



The same goes for her mother. Marie Chantal is a private citizen, whose father in law just happens to be a former king. She is raising a family and has her own business. Most of her social media posts are her family or for her business. If I had her kind of money, I would travel the world as well.

Although dynastic marriages are rare these days, they are not impossible. Take for example Astrid of Belgium and Archduke Lorenz of Austria-Este, or Alois of Liechtenstein and Sophie of Bavaria, or Ernest August of Hanover and Caroline of Monaco. I won't mention older examples since they belong to a previous generation.



I wouldn't completely rule out a dynastic marriage for Maria Olympia considering that her family mingles a lot with both reigning and formerly reigning families.

 

[theroyalfly]

There is no rumor for anything. All related parties are still too young to even think about.
We just said that because of their lineage Pavlos kids can marry into royalty, if they wish of course.
Personnaly I think that Marie Chantal will be glad if their kids especially MO marry into royalty, it will be like second re-entrance from her side.
Personnaly I'm not fond of Marie Chantal but I recognize her being classy and elegant, as a behavior.
I really don't understand how she '' produced" such a daughter because she is not like this. But Pavlos also seems happy of her daughter so no harm.

But I hope the Princes would. Constantinos and Achilleas are handsome young men. I hope they find their way marrying into ruling royal families or even defunct ones. I bet the Duchess of Brabant would and hopefully Infanta Sofia will, also, Princess Josephine and Princess Ariane.

 

[Helen.CH]

Manners begin at breakfast-really MC?
I was really surprised by the author of this book, as I had not expected MC being very well a this, but of course she must not be judged by her children's bad manners?

 

[Eskimo]

But I hope the Princes would. Constantinos and Achilleas are handsome young men. I hope they find their way marrying into ruling royal families or even defunct ones. I bet the Duchess of Brabant would and hopefully Infanta Sofia will, also, Princess Josephine and Princess Ariane.

I seriously doubt that any reigning royal family will encourage a match with the former Greek Royal Family. Esp. for someone who is going to reign.

 

[Mbruno]

I seriously doubt that any reigning royal family will encourage a match with the former Greek Royal Family. Esp. for someone who is going to reign.

The Greek RF is not close to the Belgian RF as far as I know. They are close to the Danish and the Spanish RFs and, to a certain extent, to the British RF too. A dynastic marriage is unlikely anyway, but, if one did happen, it wouldn't be with a Belgian princess probably.



BTW the last Belgian heir to marry another royal was the future Leopold III, who married Astrid of Sweden. Both Baudouin, Albert and Philippe married women from the nobility, but not royalty. I don't find it impossible that the Duchess of Brabant might marry a commoner, but I wouldn't rule out someone from the Belgian nobility either or even someone from a former ruling family from Germany or Austria. Her family is quite conservative when it comes to acceptable grooms.

 

[Blog Real]

I would like to see a wedding again between Greece and Spain or between Greece and Denmark.
But I don't think it will happen again.

Marie-Chantal's children must marry people in her social circle. But perhaps one of them will marry royalty.

 

[tommy100]

Personally I don't think it is good manners to call out a relative, even if they are the Queen of Spain, on your very public social media for all to see. Keep it private if you want to do so.

I think MC has the live she wants - all the titles, invites etc of royalty but none of the responsibility of answering to a country and its people, having to behave a certain way etc.

 

[Blog Real]

I also think Marie Chantal is happy with the life she has. It has titles and a privileged position and connection with all royal families. But despite this she has no responsibilities which gives her more freedom to do whatever she wants.

 

[Heavs]

The GRF is close to the Spanish and Danish Royal families because they are 1st cousins on the paternal and maternal sides.

For no other reason than that I don't think there will be a marriage of 2nd cousins. Too many jokes, side-eying about inbreeding and turning the clock back 100 years, even if it is legal and common in other cultures. There were jokes about it when MO and Harry were very briefly (falsely) said to be dating and that cousinship is much more distant.

I suspect Pavlos and M-Cs kids will marry wealthy or trust fund Americans or Europeans.

As for her behaviour? Calling out a relative on SM is petty, slightly embarrassing and possibly in this case, attention seeking. In general though I don't usually have a problem with her. Her husband's family aren't reigning and they likely won't ever again so to a large extent she can act and life however she wants.

 

[duke of poliganc]

Honestly, this is a children's book.
Personally, I don't think many copies have been put up for sale, it's not about a topic that appeals to children. Children love storybooks and fictional characters. It could be mothers who buy it, but I don't think it's a topic that would attract much attention in Greece.
Another issue is the sympathy or the image that many Greeks have of MC. I personally think they see her and her children as rich and lazy, who spend their lives partying... and very far removed from the reality of Greeks.
This could also influence who buys her book; it would be more likely to be richer Greeks than middle class.
I would like MC and her children to have a different image, but I think they have also contributed to spreading that image on social media.

Would you blame them for enjoying their life spending their own wealth, why should they do anything different or even work for the benefit of the Greek people when get criticized for even having the name De Grese let alone Prince/ss of Greece, compared to the other Balkan former monarchies they have been treated the worst so they don’t own a thing to Greece

 

[IRIS1983]

MC and Pavlos family can spend their money on whatever they want, like the rest of the European royal houses, but I recognize that a Royal house has pillars on which it is based. Royal houses are based on families historically linked to certain territories... We can all see this in the Royal House of Romania and Serbia. They represent the history of a family linked to a territory: Romania and Serbia, or Yugoslavia. They are linked to those territories, to its language, its history, its customs, because their ancestors are part of the history of that country. As such, they pay tribute to those ancestors and participate in documentaries, historical books, exhibitions, memorials (their country are republics).... However, Prince Pavlos' family does not represent a family linked to the history of a territory. They do not know the language, the customs, or even the history of those buried in Tatoi. They do not even pay tribute to them. They only display their title at parties and luxurious vacations in Greece.
I understand that many followers of the Greek Royal House are upset because they would like to see members of their Royal Family more closely linked to the teritory and history of their country. They would like to see a Margareta of Romania or an Alexander of Serbia...

 

[tommy100]

I would say they have more room to spend their money as they like as it isn't coming from any government or State treasury and is indeed all from MC's family.

 

[Blog Real]

MC and Pavlos family can spend their money on whatever they want, like the rest of the European royal houses, but I recognize that a Royal house has pillars on which it is based. Royal houses are based on families historically linked to certain territories... We can all see this in the Royal House of Romania and Serbia. They represent the history of a family linked to a territory: Romania and Serbia, or Yugoslavia. They are linked to those territories, to its language, its history, its customs, because their ancestors are part of the history of that country. As such, they pay tribute to those ancestors and participate in documentaries, historical books, exhibitions, memorials (their country are republics).... However, Prince Pavlos' family does not represent a family linked to the history of a territory. They do not know the language, the customs, or even the history of those buried in Tatoi. They do not even pay tribute to them. They only display their title at parties and luxurious vacations in Greece.
I understand that many followers of the Greek Royal House are upset because they would like to see members of their Royal Family more closely linked to the teritory and history of their country. They would like to see a Margareta of Romania or an Alexander of Serbia...

The royal houses of Romania, Serbia, Portugal, and even Bulgaria are examples of how, even without reigning in their own countries, they manage to maintain a connection with the country where their ancestors reigned. They even participate in some events, and Romania, Serbia, and Bulgaria even have access to some palaces.

The Greek Royal Family unfortunately remained outside Greece for many years. Pavlos and Marie-Chantal's children were born into privileged surroundings and were probably never encouraged to learn about Greek history or customs because of this.

 

[tommy100]

Pavlos seems proud of his Greek heritage, I can't imagine he didn't teach his children something of Greece, it history or customs.
I think the issue is that Pavlos only lived in Greece for barely a few months before his father was forced into exile, the family then moved about a lot, add to that his wife's British and American ties whilst living in Hong Kong and you have a family that are very much multi-national. With the best will in the world it will have been hard for Pavlos & MC's children to be brought up feeling completely Greek.

 

[duke of poliganc]

For me the way the Greek government and to an extent the Greek people treatment for the former royal family to this day is the reason they are not that enthusiastic about a connection with Greece, just the mere fact of them using the title prince/ss of Greece war them criticism and hate from the Greek people, just check any post on social media mentioning them as Prince/ss of Greece you will see tons of Greek people attacking them for using the titles or calling them prince/ss!

Other former royal families get criticism but not on the same level of the Greek Royal family, also the way the government is treating them compared to the treatment other Balkan former royal families get from the current governments is horrible!

Queen Anne Marie’s wedding dress bought and paid for by her parents the late danish king and queen is confiscated and going to be put on display without asking the rightful owner for permission!

 

[Moonmaiden23]

Didn't one of the boys-the one who graduated from Georgetown-get a degree in either Greek mythology or literature? I can't remember his name but I believe it's the oldest son.

 

[GondorHasNoPants]

Didn't one of the boys-the one who graduated from Georgetown-get a degree in either Greek mythology or literature? I can't remember his name but I believe it's the oldest son.

The eldest son graduated from Georgetown with a BA in English, but Wikipedia says 'Constantine-Alexios paints and sculpts, often inspired by Greek mythology'.

 

[Stefan]

Pavlos seems proud of his Greek heritage, I can't imagine he didn't teach his children something of Greece, it history or customs.
I think the issue is that Pavlos only lived in Greece for barely a few months before his father was forced into exile, the family then moved about a lot, add to that his wife's British and American ties whilst living in Hong Kong and you have a family that are very much multi-national. With the best will in the world it will have been hard for Pavlos & MC's children to be brought up feeling completely Greek.

But that was the case for the bulgarian, romanian and serbian RF's too. They were not even allowed to set food into their countries for 40 years

 

[tommy100]

Oh 100%.

There is undeniably a different attitude in Greece to its former Royal Family.

 

[Blog Real]

But it's a shame that Greece isn't leveraging the potential of its former Royal Family.
Greece could give its former royal family a role similar to that of the Serbian and Romanian royal families in their countries.
But the government isn't interested. They haven't even returned the Tatoi Palace to King Constantine II.

 

[Countess of Holland]

Honestly, this is a children's book.
Personally, I don't think many copies have been put up for sale, it's not about a topic that appeals to children. Children love storybooks and fictional characters. It could be mothers who buy it, but I don't think it's a topic that would attract much attention in Greece.
Another issue is the sympathy or the image that many Greeks have of MC. I personally think they see her and her children as rich and lazy, who spend their lives partying... and very far removed from the reality of Greeks.
This could also influence who buys her book; it would be more likely to be richer Greeks than middle class.
I would like MC and her children to have a different image, but I think they have also contributed to spreading that image on social media.

I agree with you that the image of the family isn't very good. I mean, the older children state that their profession is 'influencer'. Not something I would be proud of, as a parent.
Considering the incredible privileges the children had (and continue to have) due to their father's family and their mother's wealth, it is a terrible waste of potential. They could have attended any top university in the world (if they had the grades) and gone on to good careers, like working for Unesco, Unicef or any other proper job. Instead, they live their lives as partying influencers.

Not something that would tempt the Greeks into restoring the throne of the family. Perhaps that is the reason the family decided to seek Greek citizenship and acknowledging the Greek Republic, because they saw the writing on the wall that none of the Greek offspring would be an acceptable monarch for the Greeks who have been through so much over the last decades.

 

[fandesacs2003]

Pavlos and Marie-Chantal are rather respected in Greece curiously. But i couldn't say this part of the family is perceived as Greeks. Maybe because neither MC nor their kids speek the language (ar least they never shown this) but also the kids never shown any affinity with this country. Out of MO posting some glittering holiday pics (same as she posts Bahamas or ski resorts ) there is nothing to their posts showing any affinity to Greece.
Frankly speaking... they don't seem do anything on their lives. Partying, holidaying and wearing clothes.
I take out of the comment the youngest who should be still at school..
On the other side, Nicolaos is perceived as a 100% Greek. Not only he settled permanently here almost 15 years ago, but he brought his foreign 1st wife with him who became the strongest country's lover .. and now he married a Greek wife becoming the 3rd member of the entire Greek royal family ever, (4th if I count also the female members ) marrying a Greek.. 100% well done