The Chances of Restoration of Monarchy in Iran

[Blog Real]

He might be a transitional leader while they figure out something else?

I think it could be, but let's see what happens.

 

[Toledo]

I think it could be, but let's see what happens.

I doubt he will let the chance for the crown restoration go if he's put in charge upon arrival to Iran.

More than likely his move will be declare the republic as an evil government forced to the people who have lived in a 2500 year old monarchical system. Then declare it a constitutional monarchy for the 21st century, I suspect he already has a draft for that new constitution, and declare a date for elections of local and national governments with emphasis to include female candidates.

I don't think, if he arrives and restores the monarchy, Empress Farah will join right away until it's perfectly safe for her to travel. Remember the Ayatollah Khomeini placed a bounty on her to be captured and be brought back for a public execution. She has been living on that fear since last century.

The major problem would be who will be the crown prince for Reza, his first cousin seems very detached of politics and the core of the family. If Reza declares his eldest daughter as the first ever crown princess of Iran, the next situation would be to get her married to a suitable person and, if memory serves me well, the Pahlavi have married into the former ruling family of Persia, the Kajar dynasty, before.

Whatever happens in the next 12 months, I bet this thread will be on fire if Iran's monarchy gets restored as the other only empire nation in the world besides Japan. Back in the 70s, there were only three left: Iran, Japan and Ethiopia, two out of three back is not bad.

 

[Toledo]

Never in my life have I ever seen a deposed monarchy having a crown prince become such a fighter for a restoration. I'm impressed and hope it all goes well for the Pahlavi to return to Iran, restore the empire and bring the nation back to a stable, modern era. BTW, the prince was born in the same year I was born, 1960. I'm amazed by his energy as I consider the most strenuous thing I'll do today in retirement is go outside and water plants.

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The opportune return of Reza Pahlavi, Iran's crown prince, following US airstrikes
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Reza Pahlavi, 64, always reemerges on screens whenever the mullahs' regime in Iran appears close to collapse. The crown prince of Tehran's last royal dynasty – the Pahlavis, ousted by the 1979 revolution – has ridden the shockwave of the June 21 US airstrikes on Iranian nuclear sites. ​

Exiled Iranian prince tells Trump he can be 'one of history's great peacemakers' amid talk of regime change
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One of the most prominent voices is that of the exiled Crown Prince Reza Pahlavi, the eldest son of the late Shah of Iran, who has long advocated for a secular and democratic alternative to the Islamic Republic.​

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Born in Tehran in 1960, Pahlavi was officially named crown prince during his father’s coronation in 1967. In 1978, at the age of 17, he left Iran for military training with the United States Air Force in Texas. Months later, his family was forced into exile following the 1979 Islamic Revolution, and the monarchy was replaced by an Islamic theocratic regime that has ruled Iran ever since.​

 

[Alondra]

IMO, there is no chance of the restoration of Iran's monarchy unless the US bomb the country to almost destruction, and put Reza in charge of the remaining ashes.

Iranians detested the Sha and won't accept an American, who has never lived in Iran and don't understand the country to be their head of state.

He will be seen by the population as a US puppet.

 

[Toledo]

IMO, there is no chance of the restoration of Iran's monarchy unless the US bomb the country to almost destruction, and put Reza in charge of the remaining ashes.

Iranians detested the Sha and won't accept an American, who has never lived in Iran and don't understand the country to be their head of state.

He will be seen by the population as a US puppet.

Or he will be seen as a liberator from a regime that still hangs people in public executions using forklift trucks and allows women to be attacked on the streets, if not killed, if they refuse to follow the rules from male religious leaders.

Better him and a 2,500 year old monarchy to stabilize the chaos on the downfall of the regime than a civil war with military coups every other weekend.

 

[hereditarytitles]

IMO, there is no chance of the restoration of Iran's monarchy unless the US bomb the country to almost destruction, and put Reza in charge of the remaining ashes.

Iranians detested the Sha and won't accept an American, who has never lived in Iran and don't understand the country to be their head of state.

He will be seen by the population as a US puppet.

I don't believe there are many supporters of the monarchy left in Iran. The Shah's regime was too hated for that. His son seems rather cautious, repeatedly emphasizing that he wants to establish democracy in Iran, never once mentioned that he claims the throne and wants to be the next Shah. He wants his people to be free of this cruel regime.
If people reject him, I think it is more because he was the son of the last Shah than because he grew up in the US. In 1979, many Iranians fled to Germany and most of them are leading a successful life, are doctors and lawyers and entrepreneurs. We even have an Iranian politician in our government, whose parents fled the country when he was 10 years old.
There may be opposition to the mullah regime abroad, but what can they achieve from afar? Nothing.

However, as things stand at present, Trump's military strike has probably done more harm than good in terms of overthrowing the mullah regime. So the misery for the population will sadly continue. Reza will probably not have any chance to get involved in the foreseeable future.

 

[Alondra]

Or he will be seen as a liberator from a regime that still hangs people in public executions using forklift trucks and allows women to be attacked on the streets, if not killed, if they refuse to follow the rules from male religious leaders.

Better him and a 2,500 year old monarchy to stabilize the chaos on the downfall of the regime than a civil war with military coups every other weekend.

Sorry, but I don't agree Reza will ever been perceived as a liberator in Iran. You are bringing your own US prejudiced politics into a country with a different culture that actually works for them.

The US can't keep bombing countries to put their puppets on.

 

[Duke of Marmalade]

He will be seen by the population as a US puppet.

Exactly. Rezas late father was installed by the US and UK as a puppet and had his own reign of terror. When he was overthrown, another brutal regime followed. Iranians lost out under both regimes, one sugarcoated by the West, the other headed by religious hardliners. Chameneis predessessor Khomeni was protected by the West in his french exile. All that is happening now happens for economic reasons. Who cares for the Iranians? Certainly no „Prince“ in exile or any foreign goverment. If the Iranians do not free themselves from the Mullahs, they will lose out again under the next regime put in power by other powers.

 

[hereditarytitles]

Of course, it would be best if the Iranian people could free themselves from this terrorist regime on their own. But I fear that this is almost impossible, as every uprising and every demonstration is brutally suppressed. When unwelcome opponents are immediately arrested, tortured, or even killed, how can the people still have a chance to rise up? Unfortunately, the situation is similar in other countries.
External interference has proved to result in more disasters; there are plenty of examples of this.

 

[Alondra]

Exactly. Rezas late father was installed by the US and UK as a puppet and had his own reign of terror. When he was overthrown, another brutal regime followed. Iranians lost out under both regimes, one sugarcoated by the West, the other headed by religious hardliners. Chameneis predessessor Khomeni was protected by the West in his french exile. All that is happening now happens for economic reasons. Who cares for the Iranians? Certainly no „Prince“ in exile or any foreign goverment. If the Iranians do not free themselves from the Mullahs, they will lose out again under the next regime put in power by other powers.

I agree Duke. The Sha's reign of terror supported by the US and UK won't be easily forgotten by Iranian people. What followed was a religious regime as bad as the first (as seen from our western view point) but fully supported by their own people.

Iran has changed from the Khomeini years. Incredible as it may seem to many on this thread, Iranian society is quite open, light years ahead of Saudi. Women go to uni, drive, have their own business and money and not necessarily wear scarves.

What their society won't accept is being a puppet of the US.

 

[Toledo]

The Shah's his old regime ended last century, Reza is not his father and has lived in exile and learned to live in a modern world. It's like saying king Felipe should not be king because of his father's shenanigans. Same would go for William and his father Charles, right?

And why stop there attacking monarchies, last time I checked Trudeau was still the son of a former prime minister of Canada, Bush was the son of a former USA president and no one ran to make a law forbidding relatives from entering political arenas.

All I see is the double standard that there's only one form of government that needs to be universal, a republic, without thinking the culture in the region has accepted a monarchy for hundreds of years as a way part of their culture, and even adapted it like in Indonesia's elected monarchs.

We got to move on from blaming the sons for the mistakes of their fathers. I'm for restoring the monarchy, whether it's Iran, Nepal or Brasil as an option to what the republican system has not delivered to these countries except corruption, brutal regimes and instability.

And re:

Sorry, but I don't agree Reza will ever been perceived as a liberator in Iran. You are bringing your own US prejudiced politics into a country with a different culture that actually works for them.
The US can't keep bombing countries to put their puppets on.

FYI - I've been living in the USA longer than in Spain, where I was born and grew up under Franco's regime of terror. The happiest political moment I recall as a teen in my family was the restoration of the monarchy to remove the terror of Franco's legacy. That's the same hope I see for the crown prince of Iran to bring to his country, a stable government under a constitutional monarchy instead of a military coup a week from a republican government.

Just give him a chance to prove himself instead of placing the blame for his father's era last century on his son's shoulders in the 21st century.

 

[Blog Real]

A restoration of the monarchy could be good for Iran.
Iran is currently a dictatorship, and the republic has not brought anything good to Iran.
Reza has an opportunity here to do something for his country, and I believe he cares about Iran.

 

[Alondra]

The Shah's his old regime ended last century, Reza is not his father and has lived in exile and learned to live in a modern world. It's like saying king Felipe should not be king because of his father's shenanigans. Same would go for William and his father Charles, right?

And why stop there attacking monarchies, last time I checked Trudeau was still the son of a former prime minister of Canada, Bush was the son of a former USA president and no one ran to make a law forbidding relatives from entering political arenas.

All I see is the double standard that there's only one form of government that needs to be universal, a republic, without thinking the culture in the region has accepted a monarchy for hundreds of years as a way part of their culture, and even adapted it like in Indonesia's elected monarchs.

We got to move on from blaming the sons for the mistakes of their fathers. I'm for restoring the monarchy, whether it's Iran, Nepal or Brasil as an option to what the republican system has not delivered to these countries except corruption, brutal regimes and instability.

And re:


FYI - I've been living in the USA longer than in Spain, where I was born and grew up under Franco's regime of terror. The happiest political moment I recall as a teen in my family was the restoration of the monarchy to remove the terror of Franco's legacy. That's the same hope I see for the crown prince of Iran to bring to his country, a stable government under a constitutional monarchy instead of a military coup a week from a republican government.

Just give him a chance to prove himself instead of placing the blame for his father's era last century on his son's shoulders in the 21st century.

Don't compare your memories of Spain’s dictatorship with Iran. We have different cultures, geographical locations and political realities.

Iranians have the right to live the way they want to without the US telling them how to or threatening their country,

 

[tihkon2]

IMO, there is no chance of the restoration of Iran's monarchy unless the US bomb the country to almost destruction, and put Reza in charge of the remaining ashes.

Iranians detested the Sha and won't accept an American, who has never lived in Iran and don't understand the country to be their head of state.

He will be seen by the population as a US puppet.

Um...what do you mean? He was born in Iran and lived there for 19 years until the revolution..

 

[Alondra]

Um...what do you mean? He was born in Iran and lived there for 19 years until the revolution..

True. I often forget he was born in Teheran and lived there until he moved with his family to the US. He's lived so long in America, it's easy to forget.

 

[Toledo]

Don't compare your memories of Spain’s dictatorship with Iran. We have different cultures, geographical locations and political realities.

Iranians have the right to live the way they want to without the US telling them how to or threatening their country,

I'm not getting dragged into this argument that can go on for ages. And re my "Don't compare your memories of Spain’s dictatorship with Iran..." remark, the leadership in Iran tolerates public executions of anyone that is a dissident.

And my "...memories of Spain’s dictatorship with Iran." include being at a funeral of an older family cousin unalived for being a teacher and a socialist opponent of anything Franco. He was not hung from a forklift, like they still do in Iran, but executed by Franco's insane followers like so many people were in Spain in those years. Remember the news in Spain decades ago, during Juan Carlos' early years, excavating mass burials of Franco dissidents?

He was left inside the trunk of his car for days and my only memory of this stranger was I was so small, maybe 4-5 years old, my uncle lifted me to get some air outside since the odor in the church was overwhelming.

And back to Iran, I still believe the monarchy restoration will bring the nation back into the modern era and be at peace with every other nation in the Middle East.

 

[duke of poliganc]

Am all for a constitutional monarchy as a stable model of government but as I have said more than once the crown prince is out of touch with both supporters of the regime and even the Iranian opposition, he has been living almost his entire adult life in the USA that he cannot comprehend that the Iranian people won’t accept a regime change backed by the west and the USA no matter how much they hate the current regime!

 

[duke of poliganc]

The crown prince supporting the recent actions of Israel backed by the USA in Gaza, Lebanon, Syria and Iran, just reminded the people of the Middle East of the almost 1 million Iraqi killed in the USA backed by the whole west invasion of Iraq

 

[hereditarytitles]

As someone who lives near this conflict region, you naturally have a different experience and perspective than we do in Europe. I do believe that this assessment depends on where you live and what experiences you have had. We only know the situation from reports on television and in international newspapers.

Iran's relations with its neighbors are determined by a complex interplay of interests, rivalries, historical factors, and religious differences. Iran is a regional power that seeks to expand its influence in the region, which often leads to tensions with its neighbors.

The situation in the Middle East has always been very, to say the least, difficult. As a German you must understand, that we have a special responsibility towards Israel, even though there is a lot of criticism about how the present government is handling the situation.

I know some Iranians here in Germany, none of them would consider to have a monarchy again, but all of them would wish that their people could overturn the present repressive regime so that their relatives (lots of them still have family there) can live in peace and start to build a democracy.

Therefore I can share your opinion that Reza might not have a chance at all, maybe he is thinking that he could succeed, but it is very doubtful, because he might in fact be considered as an alien, an American with Iranian roots, who doesn't know the situation as he hasn't lived there since his youth.

At first, I thought it might be a good idea to have someone temporarily maintain order and peace after the fall of the mullahs. But perhaps he is not the right person for the job. And the way as it is developing right now, he doesn't and nobody else does, have a chance at all.

 

[duke of poliganc]

As someone who lives near this conflict region, you naturally have a different experience and perspective than we do in Europe. I do believe that this assessment depends on where you live and what experiences you have had. We only know the situation from reports on television and in international newspapers.

Iran's relations with its neighbors are determined by a complex interplay of interests, rivalries, historical factors, and religious differences. Iran is a regional power that seeks to expand its influence in the region, which often leads to tensions with its neighbors.

The situation in the Middle East has always been very, to say the least, difficult. As a German you must understand, that we have a special responsibility towards Israel, even though there is a lot of criticism about how the present government is handling the situation.

I know some Iranians here in Germany, none of them would consider to have a monarchy again, but all of them would wish that their people could overturn the present repressive regime so that their relatives (lots of them still have family there) can live in peace and start to build a democracy.

Therefore I can share your opinion that Reza might not have a chance at all, maybe he is thinking that he could succeed, but it is very doubtful, because he might in fact be considered as an alien, an American with Iranian roots, who doesn't know the situation as he hasn't lived there since his youth.

At first, I thought it might be a good idea to have someone temporarily maintain order and peace after the fall of the mullahs. But perhaps he is not the right person for the job. And the way as it is developing right now, he doesn't and nobody else does, have a chance at all.

I totally agree with you!

This is why I have said before that Reza’s public support to overthrowing the regime in Iran through USA invasion and supporting the actions of Israel would be seen as refreshing in the west and can help him win a senate seat in the USA but in the middle east and especially Iran even by the opposition in Iran to the terrible regime, it will only make him look as a traitor and a puppet for the west!

 

[Alondra]

I totally agree with you!

This is why I have said before that Reza’s public support to overthrowing the regime in Iran through USA invasion and supporting the actions of Israel would be seen as refreshing in the west and can help him win a senate seat in the USA but in the middle east and especially Iran even by the opposition in Iran to the terrible regime, it will only make him look as a traitor and a puppet for the west!

Totally agree.

 

[Biri]

When did Reza gain the US citizenship? Anyone knows?

 

[hereditarytitles]

When did Reza gain the US citizenship? Anyone knows?

It is impossible to determine whether Reza acquired American citizenship,if he has or not is just speculation. But he definitely retained his Iranian citizenship. I also doubt that he wanted to become a US citizen, as his desire to return to Iran was probably always very strong and he must have been aware of the fact, that as a US citizen he wouldn't be welcome there.

He doesn't need to have American citizenship to live in the US. His daughters, who were born there, probably have both nationalities, unless the US has changed its laws.
I saw somewhere that he has a diplomatic passport issued by Monaco, in which nothing is entered under citizenship. It is difficult to prove whether this passport is genuine. Unfortunately, many things can be forged nowadays. But who knows, royal people most likely have their connections, maybe that was a favor granted to him by Albert of Monaco?

 

[Biri]

I think all the Pahlavi family was deprived of Iranian citizenship by the regime of Ayatollahs.

 

[hereditarytitles]

That puts the question what kind of passports do they have. The family members were all born in Iran, that must be unlawful to take away their citizenship.
I found a copy of the diplomatic passport issued by the state of Monaco

https://www.reddit.com/r/PassportPorn/comments/10my0xb/diplomatic_passport_of_monaco_issued_to_prince/#lightbox

 

[Prinsara]

The family members were all born in Iran, that must be unlawful to take away their citizenship.

Why? They did it in Greece.

 

[hereditarytitles]

But they have since regained their Greek citizenship. The revocation of Greek citizenship at that time is documented, whereas there is no reliable information anywhere as to whether the Mullah regime revoked the Pahlavis' citizenship. This also explains why various social media sources claim that although they were expelled, their citizenship was not revoked.

 

[Biri]

That puts the question what kind of passports do they have. The family members were all born in Iran, that must be unlawful to take away their citizenship.
I found a copy of the diplomatic passport issued by the state of Monaco

https://www.reddit.com/r/PassportPorn/comments/10my0xb/diplomatic_passport_of_monaco_issued_to_prince/#lightbox

Only Empress Farah, Crown Prince Reza, Princess Farahnaz and Princess Yasmin; all Empress Farah's granddaughters were born in the US.

 

[hereditarytitles]

Yes, sure I posted that above in post 234. By family members I meant Reza and his siblings, not including his US born daughters. And here we don't know if they have both Iranian citizenship because both parents are Iranian plus US cititzenship because they were born in the USA, as I already mentioned before (see my post 234).
At this point in time we just do not know how exactly how their citizenship situation is. It is also a question of which countries allow two citizenships, or only one.

 

[Hallo girl]

I agree Duke. The Sha's reign of terror supported by the US and UK won't be easily forgotten by Iranian people. What followed was a religious regime as bad as the first (as seen from our western view point) but fully supported by their own people.

Iran has changed from the Khomeini years. Incredible as it may seem to many on this thread, Iranian society is quite open, light years ahead of Saudi. Women go to uni, drive, have their own business and money and not necessarily wear scarves.

What their society won't accept is being a puppet of the US.

I know very little about Iran but I was interested in your comment about not necessarily wearing scarves, I thought there were examples of young women being arrested etc for failing to wear a veil.