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Welcome to Queen Eliabeth II Jewels Thread, Part 4

Commencing September 10th 2022

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The Strathmore Rose Tiara was not mentioned in the article. It would be wonderful to see it used in the future. It has a connection to Queen Elizabeth II's maternal grandparents, The Earl and Countess of Strathmore.
 
CyrilVladisla said:
The Strathmore Rose Tiara was not mentioned in the article. It would be wonderful to see it used in the future. It has a connection to Queen Elizabeth II's maternal grandparents, The Earl and Countess of Strathmore.
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Lets see when and if the Strathmore Rose emerges again. Perhaps on Princess Charlotte?
 
Queen Elizabeth II had the most impressive jewel collection compared to other European Royal Houses.
 
Princess Charlotte got a little horse shoe brooch and Meghan got some earrings from the Queen.
 
SirGyamfi1 said:
Princess Charlotte got a little horse shoe brooch and Meghan got some earrings from the Queen.
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The earrings Meghan wore were gifted to her by the Queen when they did their first engagement together- Meghan shared that in an interview. Reportedly, Charlotte was also gifted her horseshoe brooch by the Queen (which makes me wonder if the Queen has gifted the other equestrian-themed jewelry seen on her youngest granddaughter and other great grandchildren)

Those are separate than inheritance stuff.
 
HRHHermione said:
The earrings Meghan wore were gifted to her by the Queen when they did their first engagement together- Meghan shared that in an interview. Reportedly, Charlotte was also gifted her horseshoe brooch by the Queen (which makes me wonder if the Queen has gifted the other equestrian-themed jewelry seen on her youngest granddaughter and other great grandchildren)

Those are separate than inheritance stuff.
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I’m sure little jewels were given to others, the important stuff will most likely be with Charles
 
ladongas said:
If I had to guess, I would guess that HM’s rings remain on her finger. Even ordinary women are frequently buried with their wedding and engagement rings.
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I read that the Queen was only buried with her wedding ring and a pair of pearl earrings- not her engagement ring.
 
SirGyamfi1 said:
I’m sure little jewels were given to others, the important stuff will most likely be with Charles
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This is almost certainly the case. Monarch-to-Monarch inheritance is by custom free from inheritance taxes. Virtually ALL of Queen Elizabeth's personal possessions, including the fabulous private jewelry collection, have been left to The King. Token pieces (valued below the tax limit) may have been left to other members of the family but the bulk of it went to Charles. This is what happened when Queen Elizabeth The Queen Mother died - everything went to her eldest daughter, who then "loaned" the pieces to Charles for his wife. I hope that The King will establish some kind of jewel foundation such as the Swedes and the Dutch have, where the family pieces are available to any of the women who need them for official duty. Far too much of the British collection has been languishing in the vaults for far too long.
 
We don't even know what's in the British collection. And while I'm sure it was done out of a wish not to appear ostentatious, literally buried treasure doesn't do anyone any good, either.
 
But that wish was from a time when internet didn't exists. Nowdays everyone could kwon what they already have with only check out some forums...
Could it be that there's more? I'm really sure the answer is yes.
 
southwind said:
But that wish was from a time when internet didn't exists. Nowdays everyone could kwon what they already have with only check out some forums...
Could it be that there's more? I'm really sure the answer is yes.
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If "everyone knows what they have by checking some forums", how did two tiaras manage to appear in 2018 that no one even knew existed?

There is undoubtedly a substantial part of "more" we don't know.
 
Prinsara said:
If "everyone knows what they have by checking some forums", how did two tiaras manage to appear in 2018 that no one even knew existed?

There is undoubtedly a substantial part of "more" we don't know.
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Queen Mary’s tiara that Meghan wore existed but it’s just that no one other than Queen Mary and Princess Marina had worn it, no one knew the Greville tiara existed because no one had worn it publicly it. But of course, there’s more goodies to be seen.
 
LauraS3514 said:
This is almost certainly the case. Monarch-to-Monarch inheritance is by custom free from inheritance taxes. Virtually ALL of Queen Elizabeth's personal possessions, including the fabulous private jewelry collection, have been left to The King. Token pieces (valued below the tax limit) may have been left to other members of the family but the bulk of it went to Charles. This is what happened when Queen Elizabeth The Queen Mother died - everything went to her eldest daughter, who then "loaned" the pieces to Charles for his wife. I hope that The King will establish some kind of jewel foundation such as the Swedes and the Dutch have, where the family pieces are available to any of the women who need them for official duty. Far too much of the British collection has been languishing in the vaults for far too long.
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I don’t think the foundation will be needed for now because there aren’t many tiara events unlike previous years when the Queen was young and this generation of royals don’t seem to be overly fond of jewels. But I’m sure that there are jewels earmarked for the the Queen, for the Princess of Wales we are yet to see the tiaras she picks this time round, but I wonder for Sophie. There also aren’t many working royals unlike in previous years who will be wearing royals jewels.
 
You are right, we don't know what the Queen had unless it was jewellery that was either the Crown Jewels or significant pieces left to be worn by the monarch or the monarch's wife. However, when it comes to items handed down through the generations, we know little. The tiaras lent to Catherine, Meghan and Princess Eugenie for their weddings alone were wonderful surprises.

Catherine's choice of the Cartier Halo was an absolute Yay!!! moment as it had been rumoured to be fragile if not actually broken. Meghan's tiara, 'Queen Mary's Bandeau' hadn't been seen in public since 1935 and its fate was shrouded in mystery. Eugenie's 'Greville Emerald Kokoshnik' was absolutely wonderous as there had only ever been rumoured that there were actually two Greville tiaras, the Bucheron and another with no specifics. So the emergence of that little sparkler brought joy to our hearts.

All three tiaras were privately owned by QEII having inherited them as part of the Sovereign to Sovereign transfer from her mother and I for one would love to stroll through the vault and drool at all those things we have never heard of or just never seen.
 
SirGyamfi1 said:
Queen Mary’s tiara that Meghan wore existed but it’s just that no one other than Queen Mary and Princess Marina had worn it, no one knew the Greville tiara existed because no one had worn it publicly it. But of course, there’s more goodies to be seen.
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Princess Marina? Are you sure you sure about that? I certainly never heard that she had worn the diamond bandeau which Meghan finally wore at her wedding. But jewel watchers certainly were aware of the existence of the tiara even though it hadn't been seen since Queen Mary's death. But there were also no signs that it had been sold or inherited by another descendant.

As for the Boucheron emerald tiara: It was known that Mrs. Greville had owned it, an archive photo of the tiara had even been published some years before the wedding in a book on Boucheron by Vincent Meylan. As it was public knowledge that QEQM had inherited Mrs. Greville's jewels it was at least very likely that the tiara was still in the family.
 
LauraS3514 said:
I hope that The King will establish some kind of jewel foundation such as the Swedes and the Dutch have, where the family pieces are available to any of the women who need them for official duty. Far too much of the British collection has been languishing in the vaults for far too long.
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They DO HAVE such foundation. It's the Royal Collection!
All official gifts belongs to the Royal Collection. All necklaces, brooches, earrings, received during at least last 30 years, are belongs to this foundation.
The King can distributed these jewels as he wants.
 
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Spheno said:
They DO HAVE such foundation. It's the Royal Collection!
All official gifts belongs to the Royal Collection. All necklaces, brooches, earrings, received during at least last 30 years, are belongs to this foundation.
The King can distributed these jewels as he wants.
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The private Collection has many favorite baubles (The Girls of Great Britain and Ireland, Queen Alexandra's Diamond Kokoshnik, The Grand Duchess Vladimir, Queen Mary's Lovers Knot . . . ) that can be lent or gifted at the will of the owner. The last book on HM's jewels, including her private collection, did not identify nor make any mention of an Emerald tiara other than the Emerald version of the Vladimir which is why there were questions. I think the answer lay in the fact that HM was not overly fond of lots of gold jewellery and so it was possibly not stored with her go-to jewels or historic pieces such as the Halo Scroll.

However, I think most historic pieces are gifted as a life-time loan, a reminder that history can be lost in a divorce as happened in Denmark which was both timely and sad.
 
Tilia C. said:
Princess Marina? Are you sure you sure about that? I certainly never heard that she had worn the diamond bandeau which Meghan finally wore at her wedding. But jewel watchers certainly were aware of the existence of the tiara even though it hadn't been seen since Queen Mary's death. But there were also no signs that it had been sold or inherited by another descendant.

As for the Boucheron emerald tiara: It was known that Mrs. Greville had owned it, an archive photo of the tiara had even been published some years before the wedding in a book on Boucheron by Vincent Meylan. As it was public knowledge that QEQM had inherited Mrs. Greville's jewels it was at least very likely that the tiara was still in the family.
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You can check on Instagram, @historyofroyaljewels who has a picture of Princess Marina wearing the tiara and probably Marina was loaned the tiara for the moment she wore it not outright ownership. Yes, Mrs. Greville owned the emerald kokoshnik, but no one in the BRF wore it publicly until Eugenie got married. Plus Mrs. Greville didn’t give all her jewels to QEQM, she also gave gifts of jewels to staff and other friends.
 
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