Princess Grace's Legacy


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If Rianier had no heir, Monaco would fall under French rule. But he could have married anyone who would give him an heir..
I agree that Monaco didn't need Grace per se. All they needed was a suitable woman who would marry the prince and produce an heir in thtat sense. and ideally someone who would be suitable to add some lustre and greater respectability to the Principality. But I agree that the state had existed for a long time, was hardly invsolvent or on the brink of failure. Some people thought that Grace as an American and a Hollywood actress, wasn't suitable to improve the look of the state but she was an intelligent woman who did do so. However, other women might have done as well.
 
Yes it was.
No, it really wasn't - see Denville's post. But marrying Grace was Rainier's and Monaco's good luck.

PS. I know you sent me a private message - apologies for not replying, I'm having a few technical issues at the moment. When sorted, I will get back to you.

Kitty 1224, I think you might be referring to the crisis that occurred between the two countries in 1962/3 by which time Grace had already been married to Rainier for several years. I have never read any mention that "France was going to take Monaco" outside this .
Here is a link to an article that explains what happened
http://www.finance-watch.org/hot-topics/blog/1074-lesson-from-history-monaco-crisis
This was a moment of lots of tension but as you say, there was no danger of France "taking" Monaco. It was a diplomatic incident with a bit of posturing and harsh words on both sides.
 
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At the time Rainier needed a bride France was going to take Monaco. So Grace was needed. Right place right time.

Sorry Kitty, the adventures of Nicole Kidman in that utterly laughable movie had zero comma zero to do with reality. France was not going to take Monaco at all (and if France would do so, it would not let itself be stopped by Grace Kelly).

If Rianier had no heir, Monaco would fall under French rule. But he could have married anyone who would give him an heir..
I agree that Monaco didn't need Grace per se. All they needed was a suitable woman who would marry the prince and produce an heir in that sense. [....]

Even that was not needed. Prince Rainier had a sister. He himself, born a De Polignac but registered with the name Grimaldi, did succeed his mother, born De Goyon de Matignon but registered as Grimaldi.

Morale of the story: to the left or to the right, the succession would be secured. If not by Grace, than by his sister. Ultimately just take the laundry maid and make a child with her. (And even this happened).
 
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Even that was not needed. Prince Rainier had a sister. He himself, born a De Polignac but registered with the name Grimaldi, did succeed his mother, born De Goyon de Matignon but registered as Grimaldi. So the so-called "700 years old Grimaldi rule" was just a cracked plaster hiding that for centuries we did not see Grimaldis at all. Morale of the story: to the left or to the right, the succession would be secured. If not by Grace, than by his sister. Ultimately just take the laundry maid or a stewardess and make a child with her.
A truly tenacious, and pragmatic, family!
 
I thought that Antoinette, had renounced her royal postion, however it was of course more desirable that Rainer marry and produce his own heir. But he oculd have married othter women besides Grace without having to make a mesalliance. The Grimaldis weren't seen as Top Royal blood but they were well born, and well off and there would certainly have been women who would have married into the family. Grace did a good job, a better job than some might have imagined.. but she wasn't the only woman who could have been a Princess.
 
Personally I believe Grace did a wonderful job for Monaco and that she was the right woman for the job. I think some here underestimate Grace’s influence and legacy she had on Monaco just like Diana for Britain and outside of Britain.
 
Personally I believe Grace did a wonderful job for Monaco and that she was the right woman for the job. I think some here underestimate Grace’s influence and legacy she had on Monaco just like Diana for Britain and outside of Britain.
I think everybody here knows exactly what Grace did for Monaco - she is the original reason a lot of us follow the Princely Family.

However, I think you have a slightly unrealistic view of things, nor the facts to back up a lot of your statements.
 
Grace did a lot true but I wouldn't say she had the amazing magic and drawing power that Diana had in the 80s. And she did improve the country's image. however in due course her three children all caused scandals that rather undermined the good she had done. I think as times' gone by Caroline and Albert have settled down, he works hard at promoting the country and has produced heirs. Caroline acted as his consort for a time.. and is now a grandmother. I don't know what Stephanie is doing.
But Monaco is a tiny place. Its doing OK but its never going to have the presteige of other monarchies...
 
Grace did a lot true but I wouldn't say she had the amazing magic and drawing power that Diana had in the 80s. And she did improve the country's image. however in due course her three children all caused scandals that rather undermined the good she had done. I think as times' gone by Caroline and Albert have settled down, he works hard at promoting the country and has produced heirs. Caroline acted as his consort for a time.. and is now a grandmother. I don't know what Stephanie is doing.
But Monaco is a tiny place. Its doing OK but its never going to have the presteige of other monarchies...

Grace had the same magic and drawing power that Diana had just that we don’t remember as much as Diana because Diana was part of the most famous monarchies in the world.
 
Can't help but think this topic is just going round in circles -we all kind of agree that Grace did a lot for Monaco so can we just agree to disagree about how she compares with either other members of the Monaco royal family or with Princess Diana [emoji253]
 
Can't help but think this topic is just going round in circles -we all kind of agree that Grace did a lot for Monaco so can we just agree to disagree about how she compares with either other members of the Monaco royal family or with Princess Diana [emoji253]

But a lot of people here don’t agree about the magnitude of her impact for Monaco.
 
So? People don't agree about everyting. And I certainly would dispute that Grace had the same "magic quality" of Diana. I have never heard of Grace-mania. Diana's face on a cover for YEARS would massively improve sales. She was followed as a fashion leader, crowds gathered wherever she went to see her and follow her. There simply wasn't that sort of craze for Grace.
 
But a lot of people here don’t agree about the magnitude of her impact for Monaco.

All what makes Monaco famous: the casino, the marina full with yachts, the Grand Prix (Formula One), the Opéra, the grand hotels, the Bal de la Croix-Rouge, the Circus, the exile for Russian aristocracy, the famous Ballets Russes by Sergey Diaghilev, the posh shops at the Place du Casino and the Avenue de Monaco, the world-famous Oceanographic Institute in Monte-Carlo: all and everything was waaaaay there before Grace Kelly ever came in the picture. Even the Bal de la Rose (of which the revenues go to the Princess Grace Foundation) was established before Grace came on the scene!

So what is Grace's "magnitude" as you claim? Let is take a look to similar places without any Grace at all: Saint-Tropez, Nice, Antibes, Cannes, Villefranche, all a string of pearls, of über-posh places where the über-wealthies of the world meet and greet. No Grace in sight. And similarly glamorous to Monte-Carlo. In real practicality and daily life Grace's legacy is limited in public places bearing her name (Avenue Princesse Grace and the Centre Hospitalier Princesse Grace), in her three children of course and in the collective memory of an older generation as one of the most glamorous ladies of her era. That is all.
 
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All what makes Monaco famous: the casino, the marina full with yachts, the Grand Prix (Formula One), the Opéra, the grand hotels, the Bal de la Croix-Rouge, the Circus, the exile for Russian aristocracy, the famous Ballets Russes by Sergey Diaghilev, the posh shops at the Place du Casino and the Avenue de Monaco, the world-famous Oceanographic Institute in Monte-Carlo: all and everything was waaaaay there before Grace Kelly ever came in the picture. Even the Bal de la Rose (of which the revenues go to the Princess Grace Foundation) was established before Grace came on the scene!

So what is Grace's "magnitude" as you claim? Let is take a look to similar places without any Grace at all: Saint-Tropez, Nice, Antibes, Cannes, Villefranche, all a string of pearls, of über-posh places where the über-wealthies of the world meet and greet. No Grace in sight. And similarly glamorous to Monte-Carlo. In real practicality and daily life Grace's legacy is limited in public places bearing her name (Avenue Princesse Grace and the Centre Hospitalier Princesse Grace), in her three children of course and in the collective memory of an older generation as one of the most glamorous ladies of her era. That is all.
She did a lot of good for Monaco.
 
She did a lot of good for Monaco.

Did she? How?
What did she achieve what was not there already?
Would another spouse of Prince Rainier have done less good?

Princess Grace was an über-glamorous royal lady, of the sort that they do not make them anymore. She shared that with Princess Paola of the Belgians (picture) or Princess Irene of the Netherlands (picture) and other royal ladies like Empress Farah Diba (picture). Those were the days. Jackie! Maria Callas! La Loren!

But real achievements for the principality, directly because of Grace?
Eeeeeerrrrr....., okay, the Prince. Without her Albert would not have been there.

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Did she? How?
What did she achieve what was not there already?
Would another spouse of Prince Rainier have done less good?

Princess Grace was an über-glamorous royal lady, of the sort that they do not make them anymore. She shared that with Princess Paola of the Belgians (picture) or Princess Irene of the Netherlands (picture) and other royal ladies like Empress Farah Diba (picture). Those were the days. Jackie! Maria Callas! La Loren!

But real achievements for the principality, directly because of Grace?
Eeeeeerrrrr....., okay, the Prince. Without her Albert would not have been there.

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Your a big ignorant to think Grace didn’t do a lot of good for Monaco like humanitarian and charity works, restoring the 19the century charm of Monaco, the charity ball, ect...
 
Kitty, I'd like to point out the fact that Duc_et_Pair has presented, along with his opinion, factual examples that back up his opinion. So have the majority of posters in this thread. You do not. You make statements and do not back them up or even give a solid reasoning *why* you believe your opinion is correct.

This is a discussion forum and not a fan site. We *know* you admire your "fairy tale princesses" but you consistently fail to back up your opinions with any solid, credible facts.

Are we to think because you state "Grace walks on water" that it is so? I don't think so. Denigrating posters and calling them ignorant is not a constructive way to enhance a conversation either.
 
So? People don't agree about everyting. And I certainly would dispute that Grace had the same "magic quality" of Diana. I have never heard of Grace-mania. Diana's face on a cover for YEARS would massively improve sales. She was followed as a fashion leader, crowds gathered wherever she went to see her and follow her. There simply wasn't that sort of craze for Grace.

Grace was just as much in front of magazine covers like Diana was. Maybe back in the day there wasn’t manias but Grace surely was one of the most famous women in the world and put Monaco on the map starting from her fairytale wedding. Also to add I was wrong about Grace with the whole lavish freebies but meant to say that she probably was presented so much lavish gifts and freebies.
 
Kitty, you have been going around and around for days now........I keep reading the same thing over and over again like a broken record. It is a forum where we deal in *facts/evidence* not assumptions that a person makes just to throw out there. It would be nice to see you give actual facts to your statements and have others get in the conversation but your not helping to do that.

Name calling is a huge *NO NO* here, you do not call some ignorant just because they do not agree with you. Go read the rules, big time, and do it again if you want to continue here for you need to learn how we do things here, we do not just spew assumptions or do name calling. Duc is a very informed man who know just what he is talking about when commenting, he knows his *fact/evidence and his history* and many of here learn from him all the time. Many of us here have learned from him and continue to do so......you would befit more if you would learn from him and many of us older and wiser people here.
 
Kitty, you have been going around and around for days now........I keep reading the same thing over and over again like a broken record. It is a forum where we deal in *facts/evidence* not assumptions that a person makes just to throw out there. It would be nice to see you give actual facts to your statements and have others get in the conversation but your not helping to do that.

Name calling is a huge *NO NO* here, you do not call some ignorant just because they do not agree with you. Go read the rules, big time, and do it again if you want to continue here for you need to learn how we do things here, we do not just spew assumptions or do name calling. Duc is a very informed man who know just what he is talking about when commenting, he knows his *fact/evidence and his history* and many of here learn from him all the time. Many of us here have learned from him and continue to do so......you would befit more if you would learn from him and many of us older and wiser people here.

Honestly I’ve been reading lots of articles and documentaries on Grace and she did a lot for Monaco.
 
That does not mean that you can just say something because you read an news article, saw it in a magazine or watched a movie about Grace. Go read some real history books on her, listen to what others here say and learn from them.........how old are you? A person's comments give away lots of information about them for they shows how much they really know and how they speak. I am trying to help you as other have and your not listening so the ball in is your court so to speak.....:whistling:
 
That does not mean that you can just say something because you read an news article, saw it in a magazine or watched a movie about Grace. Go read some real history books on her, listen to what others here say and learn from them.........how old are you? A person's comments give away lots of information about them for they shows how much they really know and how they speak. I am trying to help you as other have and your not listening so the ball in is your court so to speak.....:whistling:
I have my opinions and you have yours. But Grace did a lot of good for Monaco and had the Grace touch.
 
Nobody is saying she didn't so what is your problem here? She is not God, just a human being who married a man who happened to be a prince of what 700 acres of land in the south of France.....no big deal here. Magazine covers, news paper articles and such do not make someone or anyone more important then the next person. So Grace had some positive effect on the country.....and others will follow her. It seems to me that you want everyone here to agree with you 100% and that is not how the human race works....we all have different opinions as we are all different from each other. If we do not agree with you then you name call us and that is like a 2 year old taking a temper tamp-rum.......that Kitty will not go down well here at all. Your new so you need to read the rules and learn from those that know more then you do.
 
Nobody is saying she didn't so what is your problem here? She is not God, just a human being who married a man who happened to be a prince of what 700 acres of land in the south of France.....no big deal here. Magazine covers, news paper articles and such do not make someone or anyone more important then the next person. So Grace had some positive effect on the country.....and others will follow her. It seems to me that you want everyone here to agree with you 100% and that is not how the human race works....we all have different opinions as we are all different from each other. If we do not agree with you then you name call us and that is like a 2 year old taking a temper tamp-rum.......that Kitty will not go down well here at all. Your new so you need to read the rules and learn from those that know more then you do.
Like I said I have read articles and biographies and watched documentary and Grace did a lot of good. Disagree that’s fine.
 
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