Princess Beatrice, Edoardo Mapelli Mozzi and Family, Current Events 2: Sep 2022 -


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The Mail report says that the King and Queen and the Wales family will not attend, though the king at least was invited. Were any of them present at the other Brooksbank or Mapelli Mozzi children's christenings?

The article also says a godmother and guest will be Nina Flohr of Greece. (Whom the Mail sloppily calls "Princess Nina of Greece and Denmark": Even if one deems Greece to be still a monarchy, the titles would be "Princess Nina of Greece, Princess of Denmark", not "Princess Nina of Greece and Denmark".)



There is also another comment attempting to distance Princess Beatrice from her father:

"An insider said: 'Beatrice has, of course invited her father. But things are not warm between them. However, she's worried about him. He's going through a low ebb with his mental health and she recognises that he dotes on his grandchildren and it would be cruel to deprive him of the chance to attend the christening.​
'Some careful conversations and diplomacy with King Charles will have taken place to get to this stage.'"​
No, the King, Queen (as Pow and DoC) and W&K didn't attend Sienna's baptism, not did HLM. It took place at St James Palace and the late Queen had engagements throughout the day at Windsor.

W&K were, apparently, at August Brooksbank's baptism but it was a joint baptism with Lucas Tindal at Windsor. The Wales are very close to Zara and Mike.
 
One would think that the fact that she was born early and fragile would make her baptism more urgent... not postponed until later. Why take such a risk of God forbid...the baby dying unchristened?😲🤔

But in all fairness to Athena's parents, I am thinking like a Catholic, with a Catholic understanding of the importance of the Sacrament of Baptism.

It might be different from their own.

Interesting question, thank you. Of course, I understand that while Princess Beatrice and Edo Mapelli Mozzi are both Anglicans, that does not necessarily mean they are devout or strictly observe all the principles of their church, but nevertheless it is interesting to see what the church canons have to say.


The Book of Common Prayer (which remains officially incorporated in the Church of England canons, even though the usage of its liturgy has been mostly supplanted by the newer Common Worship liturgy) begins the infant baptism service in these words:

“Dearly beloved, forasmuch as all men are conceived and born in sin, and that our Saviour Christ saith, none can enter into the kingdom of God, except he be regenerate and born anew of Water and of the Holy Ghost [...]”


To my reading, this implies baptism is a precondition for the infant to “enter into the Kingdom of God”. (Does that mean becoming a Christian, or entering heaven after death?)


However, the Church of England’s instructions for “emergency baptism” state:

“2 Parents are responsible for requesting emergency baptism for an infant. They should be assured that questions of ultimate salvation or of the provision of a Christian funeral for an infant who dies do not depend upon whether or not the child has been baptized.


This seems to imply an infant who dies may achieve “ultimate salvation” even without being baptized.

I am not informed enough about Christian theology to understand the difference between “entering the kingdom of God” and “ultimate salvation”.


Regardless, the Church of England canons do treat infant baptism as an urgent matter not to be “delayed”, especially when the infant is dying:

“B 22 Of the baptism of infants

[...]

2. If the minister shall refuse or unduly delay to baptize any such infant, the parents or guardians may apply to the bishop of the diocese, who shall, after consultation with the minister, give such directions as he thinks fit.

[...]

4. No minister shall refuse or, save for the purpose of preparing or instructing the parents or guardians or godparents, delay to baptize any infant within his cure that is brought to the church to be baptized, provided that due notice has been given and the provisions relating to godparents in these Canons are observed.

[...]

6. No minister being informed of the weakness or danger of death of any infant within his cure and therefore desired to go to baptize the same shall either refuse or delay to do so.”



For what it is worth, the Mail article "understands" that the York family scandal was the reason for Athena's delayed baptism.
 
Athena’s age isn’t a concern to me, but I do hope she wears the royal family’s heirloom christening gown!
IIRC, when the two little boy cousins had their joint baptism, the Honiton lace dress was worn by August Brooksbank while Lucas Tindall wore a suitable, if less royal, ensemble.
(I have always felt a bit sorry for Princess Lilibet that she didn’t have the full royal experience at her christening. Her brother, Prince Archie had the full treatment. And of course, I know that’s not the point of the christening!)
 
Athena’s age isn’t a concern to me, but I do hope she wears the royal family’s heirloom christening gown!
IIRC, when the two little boy cousins had their joint baptism, the Honiton lace dress was worn by August Brooksbank while Lucas Tindall wore a suitable, if less royal, ensemble.
(I have always felt a bit sorry for Princess Lilibet that she didn’t have the full royal experience at her christening. Her brother, Prince Archie had the full treatment. And of course, I know that’s not the point of the christening!)
At almost a year old she might be too big now for that christening gown.
 
Athena’s age isn’t a concern to me, but I do hope she wears the royal family’s heirloom christening gown!
IIRC, when the two little boy cousins had their joint baptism, the Honiton lace dress was worn by August Brooksbank while Lucas Tindall wore a suitable, if less royal, ensemble.
(I have always felt a bit sorry for Princess Lilibet that she didn’t have the full royal experience at her christening. Her brother, Prince Archie had the full treatment. And of course, I know that’s not the point of the christening!)
Royal heirloom christening gowns are from a period when infants were christened fairly soon after birth...usually within a month or two, and almost never a year later.

Lucas Tindall was likely unable to fit into one when he was baptized.

Since Athena was so tiny at birth, she might still be able to squeeze into the traditional gown even though she is almost one now. But it will depend on how much she has grown.

Eugenie was barely able to fit into it at 9 months. It was left open in the back for that reason.

Sadly, we are unlikely to see any photos.☹️
 
Eugenie wore it at 9 months old, and Athena was born premature, so I'm wondering how big she's gotten, despite her age.
Exactly - Athena's so called corrected age is around 9 months now.
 
I remember though that the robe was damaged due to Eugenie being too large for it and the people who take care of such items were not happy as a lot of repair work was required afterwards.
The robe used by Eugenie & created for the baptism of Queen Victoria’s children was last used to baptize Lady Louise. Queen Elizabeth II had her dresser Angela Kelly create a replica which has been used since then.
 
A few guests were spotted arriving for the christening today:


** gettyimages: GBR: Guests Attend The Christening Of Athena Mapelli Mozzi **



And a lunch was held at a pub afterwards:



 
I never knew that Princess Beatrice and Nina were friends and what a nice honour to be chosen as Athena's godmother.
Princess Beatrice chooses longtime royal friend as godmother to Athena as she prepares to christen her daughter in private
Apparently, she was a friend of Edo. And hopefully by now also of Beatrice given that they picked her as godmother.

So, so far the two godparents mentioned by media outlets are Princess Nina of Greece and Sofia Wellesley, wife of singer James Bunt and granddaughter of the late Valerian Wellesley, 8th Duke of Wellington.
 
Athena has very impressive godparents, whatever else can be said.

It must have been an awkward day in so many ways given the recent events in this family… I really hope everything went well and that they had a lovely day despite all
I can't help but feel badly for Beatrice first her engagement and her wedding were overshadowed by scandal, and now the christening of her baby.

She and Edo can't seem to catch a break.☹️
 
I can't help but feel badly for Beatrice first her engagement and her wedding were overshadowed by scandal, and now the christening of her baby.

She and Edo can't seem to catch a break.☹️
Perhaps it would have been wiser to have the Christening in secret at the Chapel of All Saints at Windsor, instead of in central London
As far as i remember we did not get to know about Sienna's christening in advance
 
Is it a church rule that Athena has to have a godfather? Or are the two godmothers sufficient?
 
Is it a church rule that Athena has to have a godfather? Or are the two godmothers sufficient?

Church of England rules require an infant girl being christened to be sponsored by at least two godmothers and one godfather. However, if there is difficulty meeting this requirement, one godmother and one godfather will suffice.

 
Perhaps the replica was made slightly larger than the original.
Considering that 21st century newborns are larger than those born in previous centuries, I'd bet that the new gown is likely to be larger. Perhaps Angela also managed to make the fastening adjustable too.
 
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