Prince Antonio [1950-2024] Princess Christine and Family; 2013-2026


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Do you know in all your previous posts about the former Imperial Family, their marriage laws and their conservative values etc I this is think this is the first time you have acknowledged the importance of love let alone that it might be the more important factor in deciding to marry anyone.

For Amélia de Orleans e Bragança, love is more important.

For Princess Amélia of Brazil, the Dynasty is more important.

Amélia can marry for love, but Princess Amélia will (maybe) lose her rights. It's quite simple.
 
And IMHO since Amélia de Orleans e Bragança and Princess Amélia of Brazil are the same person, it is clear that love is more important rather than remain a Brazilian dynast.
 
And IMHO since Amélia de Orleans e Bragança and Princess Amélia of Brazil are the same person, it is clear that love is more important rather than remain a Brazilian dynast.

Love is more important. But, as my grandmother always says "You have to face to consequences when you decides to make things for love".
 
I'm sure she'ss well aware of the consequences she'll have to face by marrying to Mr. Spearman.
BTW hopefully these consequences will remain only purely theorical and won't affect too much their life.
 
This announcement took me by susprise. I didn't even know she had a boyfriend. Anyway, I'm very happy to read about it.

I wish the couple all the luck in the world.

Does anyone know more details about the couple? When and where will the wedding be? Where will they live after the wedding, etc?
 
I expect losing ones place in the line of succession to a non-existent throne is not so great a prince to pay. Since there does not seem to be any great family fortune to be cut off from marriage for love seems a perfectly normal choice to make. One can hardly live ones life based on family rules for an Empire and a throne that were lost more than 100 years ago.
 
Poor Prince Rafael; the expectation and pressure intensifies.
 
This announcement took me by susprise. I didn't even know she had a boyfriend.
I aware that Her Royal Highness was dating someone from the British gentry, but I was treating it as rumour, because it's was a cousin of mine, who lives in Belgium, who told me.

When and where will the wedding be?
Tradition dictates she has to marry in Brazil. It's a long standing tradition. She'll probably marry at Igreja de Nossa Senhora da Glória do Outeiro, the Imperial Family's favorite church, in Rio de Janeiro.

Where will they live after the wedding, etc?
Well, the Princess is currently living and working in London.

Why? Nothing really changes for him...
Exactly. Princess Amélia was never the direct heiress. Her children would not be part of the Imperial Family in any way.
 
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That would depend wouldn't it? If her brother would marry a non-royal she (and her children) would be the one who will eventually have gotten the succession.

For now this means that in the end there will be four people left of her generation that can succeed: prince Rafael, princess Gabriela, and the son and daughter of the princess de Ligne. So the chances that the Vassouras branch will make it to a next generation just decreased with 20%. As said, they have made it very hard on themselves. Why I do not know, as ebenburtigheit was never a requirement for the thrones of Portugal or Brazil when they were existing.
 
So the chances that the Vassouras branch will make it to a next generation just decreased with 20%.

As Prince Antônio always says, there's no "branch". There's a Imperial Family.

Why I do not know, as ebenburtigheit was never a requirement for the thrones of Portugal or Brazil when they were existing.

Princess Isabel introduced it, as a House Law, when she was the Head of the Imperial House, and no subsequent Head of the Imperial House decided to end with this Law.
 
That would depend wouldn't it? If her brother would marry a non-royal she (and her children) would be the one who will eventually have gotten the succession.

For now this means that in the end there will be four people left of her generation that can succeed: prince Rafael, princess Gabriela, and the son and daughter of the princess de Ligne. So the chances that the Vassouras branch will make it to a next generation just decreased with 20%. As said, they have made it very hard on themselves. Why I do not know, as ebenburtigheit was never a requirement for the thrones of Portugal or Brazil when they were existing.

Succeed to what? A non-existent throne that will never be. They should live their lives for their own joy. They are good people who should have real lives.
 
Succeed to what? A non-existent throne that will never be. They should live their lives for their own joy. They are good people who should have real lives.

They are standing up for their beliefs, that's their joy, that's their lives, and the lives of their supporters too.
 
Succeed to what? A non-existent throne that will never be.
You've been a member here for six years now, surely you understand that it involves a whole lot more than "a non-existant throne"? These people are aristocrats representing a proud dynasty with a proud history and a long and distinguished royal lineage. They, or at least some of them, believe in preserving it. This is what aristocrats do. The issue is not so much the "non-existant throne" but the Headship of the House, dynastic preservation and the upholding of those values and beliefs they hold dear.

Those memebrs of the family who wish to continue certain dynastic or family traditions will do so, those that don't won't. Either way they are living their lives they way they want. It doesn't affect most of us personally so what's the problem?
 
I aware that Her Royal Highness was dating someone from the British gentry, but I was treating it as rumour, because it's was a cousin of mine, who lives in Belgium, who told me.

Tradition dictates she has to marry in Brazil. It's a long standing tradition. She'll probably marry at Igreja de Nossa Senhora da Glória do Outeiro, the Imperial Family's favorite church, in Rio de Janeiro.

Well, the Princess is currently living and working in London.

Exactly. Princess Amélia was never the direct heiress. Her children would not be part of the Imperial Family in any way.

what does amelia do in london exactly? i imagine that's where she met her future husband?

i am coming late into this discussion, but i guess that since she marries an aristocrat she is conforming to the family tradition? or does she need to marry an aristocrat of a certain level for her "rights to succesion" to be held?

i hope the couple release an official picture of them so that we get to know the groom!
 
what does amelia do in london exactly? i imagine that's where she met her future husband?

Princess Amélia is an architect, she's living and working in London, previously, she was living and working in Barcelona.

i am coming late into this discussion, but i guess that since she marries an aristocrat she is conforming to the family tradition? or does she need to marry an aristocrat of a certain level for her "rights to succesion" to be held?

Normally, only a marriage with a Prince would be recognized as Dynastic. James has an interesting set of ancestors, but he has no title.

But there's a precedent, the Princess Amélia's great-aunt, Princess Pia Maria (1913-2000), married a Count of Nicolay and was allowed to kept her succession rights.

i hope the couple release an official picture of them so that we get to know the groom!

The Imperial Family hasn't issued any official note about the engagement, yet.
 
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You've been a member here for six years now, surely you understand that it involves a whole lot more than "a non-existant throne"? These people are aristocrats representing a proud dynasty with a proud history and a long and distinguished royal lineage. They, or at least some of them, believe in preserving it. This is what aristocrats do. The issue is not so much the "non-existant throne" but the Headship of the House, dynastic preservation and the upholding of those values and beliefs they hold dear.

Those memebrs of the family who wish to continue certain dynastic or family traditions will do so, those that don't won't. Either way they are living their lives they way they want. It doesn't affect most of us personally so what's the problem?

I have no problem, I see two very nice looking and lovely young people, one who is making a choice to live a normal, happy life and is being faulted for not upholding an ancient and useless tradition in todays day and age. If it can be noted that most of the functioning, European Monarchies have long since moved forward and have accepted wonderful new blood into their fold. Now, if they found someone who fit the bill, that is fine, but to spend time and lose good opportunities for happy unions for this, I think it is a mockery.
 
Great find. Thanks for sharing, BrazilianEmpire
 
HRH Prince Antônio of Brazil attended a staging of the day Emperor Pedro II of Brazil gave Imperial status to the Church of Nossa Senhora da Glória do Outeiro.

FAMÍLIA REAL NO OUTEIRO DA GLÓRIA | Hildegard Angel

According to columnist Marcia Peltier, Princess Amélia of Brazil will marry Alexander James Spearman on August 2014, in Rio de Janeiro.

They are both 29 and living in London, where the Princess is working as an architect, and James, graduated in History and Economy, works in a bank.

Although the Imperial House hasn't announced the engagement, I think Peltier is a reliable source, as she's the sister of Princess Maritza of Orleans-Braganza, wife of Prince Alberto of Orleans-Braganza, Princess Amélia's uncle.

Jornal do Commercio Marcia Peltier: Franquia em alta
 
So, we'll have to wait a year to see Amélia as a bride
 
So, we'll have to wait a year to see Amélia as a bride

And I'm sure she'll be a stunning bride. Mom is already hoping for an invitation.

The wedding will probably take place at Igreja de Nossa Senhora da Glória do Outeiro, but I would like to see a Imperial Wedding at Petrópolis Cathedral, the Duke of Braganza's parents married there, in 1942.
 
Press release from the Imperial House of Brazil:

"Their Highnesses D. Antonio de Orleans e Bragança, Prince of Brazil, and D. Christine de Orleans e Bragança, born Princess of Ligne, announced the engagement between their daughter, D. Amélia de Orleans e Bragança, and Alexander James Spearman, from Edinburgh, Scotland. The wedding will take place at Igreja de Nossa Senhora do Carmo da Antinga Sé, on August 2014, in Rio de Janeiro."

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The Church of Our Lady of Mount Carmel

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The church where Princess Amélia will marry has long association with Brazilian Royalty.

During the stay of the Royal Family of Portugal in Brazil (1808-1821), King João VI of Portugal designated the Church as the new Portuguese Royal Chapel, and later as the Cathedral of Rio de Janeiro.

In May 20, 1816, King João VI was anointed King of Portugal there. The following year, on November 6, his eldest son and heir, Prince Pedro - the Prince Royal of Portugal - received his wife, Princess Leopoldina (née Archduchess of Austria), with whom he had married by proxy some months before.

After the Independence of Brazil, on September 7, 1822, the Church was designated as the Imperial Chapel.

On December 1, 1822, Emperor Pedro I was crowned there. His son and successor, Emperor Pedro II, was also crowned on the Church, on July 18, 1841.

Princess Isabel - Princess Imperial of Brazil and heiress to the Throne - married there with Prince Gaston of Orleans, Count of Eu, on October 15, 1864.

On September 13, 2009, there was a mass on the Church, to celebrated the centennial of Prince Pedro Henrique (1909-1981), who was the Head of the Imperial House of Brazil from 1921 until his death, and the 95th birthday of his consort, Princess Maria Elizabeth (née Princess of Bavaria, who died in 2011).

There was also a sad event, on June 5, 2009, a service was held there, after the death of Prince Pedro Luiz of Brazil (Princess Amélia's older brother). It was terribly sad, I was present.

More about the engagement of Princess Amélia

Causa Imperial, a Monarchist page on Facebook, has an interesting post about Princess Amélia of Brazil and her fiancée, James Spearman. And they also have a nice picture of them, with the arms of their families.

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The post:

"The wedding of Princess Amélia with James Spearman.

As already reported, Her Royal Highness Princess Amélia of Brazil will marry Alexander James Spearman, on August 2014.

Princess Amélia Maria de Fátima Josefa Antonia Micaela Gabriela Rafaela Gonzaga of Brazil, Princess of Orleans-Braganza, born in Brussels, Belgium, on March 15, 1984, and registred as a Brazilian citizen at the Brazilian Consulate General in Brussels, in accordance with the Brazilian Constitution of 1824 (which dictates that only a Brazilian citizen can inherit the Throne of Brazil). Currently, Her Royal Highness is the fifth in the Line of Succession to the Throne. Princess Amélia is the eldest daughter and second child of Prince Antonio (b. 1950) and Princess Christine (b. 1955) of Brazil. She has four siblings: Princes Pedro Luiz (1983-2009) and Rafael (n. 1986), and Princess Maria Gabriela of Brazil (b. 1989). Her uncles - Prince Antonio's older brothers - are Prince Luiz (b. 1938), the Head of the Imperial House and Emperor de jure of Brazil, and Prince Bertrand (n. 1941), Prince Imperial of Brazil and second in Line to the Throne.

Princess Amélia's paternal grandparents are Prince Pedro Henrique (1909-1981), Head of the Imperial House of Brazil from 1921 until his death, and Princess Maria Elizabeth of Brazil (1914-2011). Prince Pedro Henrique - eldest child of Prince Luiz (1878-1920), Prince Imperial of Brazil and "The Perfect Prince" - inherited from his paternal grandmother, Princess Isabel (1846-1921), "The Redemptress", the Headship of the Imperial House of Brazil, after her death, while the Imperial Family was exiled in Europe. Through her honored great-great-grandmother, Princess Amélia descends from Emperors Pedro I (1798-1834) and Pedro II (1825-1891) of Brazil, and from the King and Queens of Portugal, from the House of Braganza, which reigned from 1640 and 1910 - which remains the Royal House of Portugal, whose the Head, Prince Duarte (b. 1945), Duke of Braganza, is a second cousin once removed of Princess Amélia.

Through her great-great-grandfather, Prince Gaston (1842-1922), Count of Eu and Consort of Princess Isabel, Princess Amélia is a descendant of the House of Orleans - which reigned in France from 1830 to 1848, whose the Head, Prince Henri (b. 1933), is also a second cousin once removed of Princess Amélia. Her Royal Highness is a great-great-great-great-granddaughter of King Louis-Philippe of France (1773-1850). Through the House of Orleans, the Princess can trace her pratilineal descent to King Saint Louis IX of France (1214-1270), the "Crusader King", and to Hugh Capet (c. 939-996) the first King of the Franks, who reigned from 987 until his death.

Through her paternal grandmother, Princess Amélia is a descendant of the Kings of Bavaria, from the House of Wittelsbach, one of the most ancient Houses of Europe, with origins in the Ninth Century. Her great-great-grandfather, King Ludwig III (1845-1921) was the last Bavarian Monarch. Her great-grandmother, Princess Maria Pia (1878-1973), Dowager Imperial Princess of Brazil, was the daughter of Prince Afonso (1841-1934), Count of Caserta and Head of the Royal House of the Two-Sicilies, the Family of Empress Teresa Cristina of Brazil (1822-1889). Through her celebrated anscestress, Empress Leopoldina of Brazil (1797-1826), Princess Amélia descends from the Emperors of Austria and of the Holy Roman Empire, from the House of Habsburg, the most noble House of the Christendom.

Princess Amélia's mother is from the Princely Family of Ligne, one of the most ancient and noble Houses of Belgium, which also have the titles of Princes of Amblise, Épinoy and of the Holy Roman Empire. Princess Christine is fourth of the seven children of Prince Antoine (1925-2005), 13th Prince of Ligne from 1985 until his death, and his wife, Princess Alix (now the Dowager Princess of Linge; b. 1929). The Princes of Ligne, throughout History, stood out as diplomats, political articulators, soldiers and distinguished members of society. The current Head of the Princely House is Prince Michel (b. 1951), the 14th Prince of Ligne and brother of Princess Christine, Princess Amélia's mother. Prince Michel is married to Princess Eleonora of Brazil (n. 1953), sister of Prince Antonio, Princess Amélia's father. The Prince and Princess of Ligne have two children: Princess Alix of Ligne (b. 1984) and Prince Henri Antoine (b. 1989), Hereditary Prince of Ligne. Princess Amélia's maternal grandmother is the youngest daughter of Grand Duchess Charlotte of Luxembourg (1896-1985) and Prince Felix of Bourbon-Parma (1893-1970). The Grand Ducal Family of Luxembourg reigns over one of the most democratic and developed countries in the world.

Raised in Petrópolis, the "Imperial City", located in the hills of Rio de Janeiro, Princess Amélia studied at Ipiranga Elementary School and São José High School. In 2007, Her Royal Highness concluded the course of Architecture at the Pontical Catholic University of Rio de Janeiro. Since then, the Princess has been living in Europe. First, she lived in Madrid, Spain. Now, Her Royal Highness is living in London, where she works at Camu & Morrison. The Princess speaks Portuguese, French, English and Spanish.

James Alexander Spearman, born on March 27, 1984, in Edinburgh, is the son of Lochain Alexander and Pilin Spearman. James, as he's called by his family and friends, has two brothers: Jack and Adam Spearman. Throught his father, he descends from important families from the British Aristocracy. His maternal family, the Garrigues, has some political, social and cultural importance in Europe.

The Spearman Baronetcy, of Hanwel in the county of Middlesex, was created on April 28, 1840, by Queen Victoria of the United Kingdom (1819-1901), to Sir Alexander Young Spearman (1793-1874). Sir Alexander served as Comptroller General of the Exchequer and Secretary to the Commissioners for the Reduction of the National Debt. In 1869, he became a member of Her Majesty's Most Honourable Privy Council.

The Spearman are also related to the Dukes of Fife, relatives of the British Royal Family - in 1889, Alexander Duff (1849-1912), 6th Earl and 1th Duke of Fife married Princess Louise of Wales (1867-1931), daughter of the then Prince of Wales, future King Edward VII of the United Kingdom (1841-1910).

The Garrigues family is an acient European Clan, orginated in the region of Les Garrigues, in the south-central of France. The family immigrated to Spain, Gemrnay and to the United States, where they achieved success and prominence. James's maternal grandfather was Don Mariano Garrigues Diaz-Cañabate, a renowned lawyer, whose brother was Don Antonio Garrigues Diaz-Cañabate (1904-2004), who received the title of Marquiss of Garrigues, due to his services to diplomacy and law. The Garrigues family is also related to the Marquisses of la Granja de San Saturnino ant the Barons of Garel-Jones. The family has important conections with the Spanish Diplomacy and the UN.

James Spearman studied at the renowned Eton College, from 1997 to 2002, where he met with Prince William (b. 1982), Duke of Cambridge, and his brother, Prince Harry of Wales (b. 1984), grandsons of Queen Elizabeth II of the United Kingdom (b. 1926). In 2007, he concluded the course of Modern European Languages at the University of Edinburgh. He lived for sometime in Madrid, and is now living in London, where he works to Stanhope Capital. James speaks English, French and Spanish.

The Imperial House of Brazil informad, through a statement from Prince Antonio and Princess Christine, that the wedding will take place at the Church of Our Lady of the Mount Carmeo, the old Cathedral of Rio de Janeiro. The Church served as the Royal Chapel (from 1808 to 1822) and as the Imperial Chapel (from 1822 to 1889). There, King João VI was anointed as King of Portugal, and Emperor Pedro I and Pedro II of Brazil were Crowned. Numerous members of the Imperial Family were christened and married on that church.

Princess Amélia's marriage has been raisinh question about her future in the Imperial House of Brazil. Although he has a noble set of ancestors, James and his parents are commoners. The Imperial Family has already faced similar situation. During the 20th century, four sons of Prince Pedro Henrique married commoners, and lose their rights to Throne. The same has happend to Prince Alberto (b. 1957) and Princesses Maria Teresa and Maria Gabriela (b. 1959), when they decided to marry commoners, their brother, Prince Luiz, by then, Head of the Imperial House, asked them to rennounce their rights to Throne.

It's up to Prince Luiz, with his wisdom, to decide what his niece, Princess Amélia, will do, thinking about what is best for the Dynasty which, for more then a century has been serving Brazil."
 
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Really nice photo. Amélia looks more beautiful than ever and I was curious to see how James looked like.


Does this last paragraph mean it's possible that Amélia doesn't loose her rights to the throne, being the decision entirely Prince Luiz's?
 
Does this last paragraph mean it's possible that Amélia doesn't loose her rights to the throne, being the decision entirely Prince Luiz's?


Yes, Prince Luiz can allow her keep her succession rights.

The Head of the Imperial House can't change the Succession Laws, because those are defined by the Constitution of 1824, and only a Monarchical Parliament can change that.

But the marriages of members of the Imperial Family are House Laws, so, the Head of the Imperial House is free to change it whenever he or she wants.

But we'll only know for sure what will happens a few day before the wedding.

But back in 2008, Prince Luiz was still favouring Dynastic Marriages.
 
Thanks for the explanation, BrazilianEmpire.

Given Prince Luiz's positions on the matter I would day it's very unlikely he will allow her to keep her rights to the throne.
 
Thanks for the explanation, BrazilianEmpire.

Given Prince Luiz's positions on the matter I would day it's very unlikely he will allow her to keep her rights to the throne.

Yes, and Prince Bertrand has the same position, I don't know what about Prince Antonio's thoughts on this matter, but he's very loyal to his older brother, I'll never disagree with him.

But Princess Amélia's siblings, Prince Rafael and Princess Maria Gabriela have already expressed their views, and they said they'll follow the House Law, marrying equally.

And I'm still hearing rumours about Princess Alix of Ligne dating Prince Amedeo of Belgium. She's just a few months younger than Princess Amélia, so I think she's also close to get married.
 
Yes, and Prince Bertrand has the same position, I don't know what about Prince Antonio's thoughts on this matter, but he's very loyal to his older brother, I'll never disagree with him.

But Princess Amélia's siblings, Prince Rafael and Princess Maria Gabriela have already expressed their views, and they said they'll follow the House Law, marrying equally.

And I'm still hearing rumours about Princess Alix of Ligne dating Prince Amedeo of Belgium. She's just a few months younger than Princess Amélia, so I think she's also close to get married.


I'm all ears for those rumours :)
 
I'm all ears for those rumours :)

Nothing official. But we only heard about Countess Stéphanie de Lannoy when she became engaged to Hereditary Grand Duke Guillaume. The same goes for James Spearman and Princess Amélia.

My cousin in Belgium says it's possible that Prince Amedeo and Princess Alix are dating, they knew each other since childhood, And both come from families who still appreciate dynastic marriages.
 
i doubt that amelia is very worried about losing her rights to a non-existent throne. :)

thanks for posting the picture of the soon to be married couple! i wonder if they will move back to brazil or stay in UK after the wedding?
 
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