Prince Andrew Relinquishes Use of Titles & Honours, & Move to Sandringham 17 Oct 2025


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Two notices have been published in the Gazette, the UK’s official journal of public record.


Publication date: 5 November 2025, 12:00
Edition: The London Gazette

Warrants Under the Royal Sign Manual

THE KING has been pleased by Warrant under His Royal Sign Manual dated 30 October 2025 to direct His Secretary of State to cause the Duke of York to be removed from the Roll of the Peerage with immediate effect.



Publication date: 5 November 2025, 12:00
Edition: The London Gazette

Crown Office

THE KING has been pleased by Letters Patent under the Great Seal of the Realm dated 3 November 2025 to declare that Andrew Mountbatten Windsor shall no longer be entitled to hold and enjoy the style, title or attribute of “Royal Highness” and the titular dignity of “Prince”.



Related information:

A statement from Buckingham Palace

His Majesty has today initiated a formal process to remove the Style, Titles and Honours of Prince Andrew.Prince Andrew will now be known as Andrew Mountbatten...
www.royal.uk www.royal.uk

Roll of the Peerage - College of Arms

www.college-of-arms.gov.uk www.college-of-arms.gov.uk

 
:previous: It is interesting that the Warrant was dated 30 October 2025 (the same day as the public announcement) while the Letters Patent were dated 3 November 2025, four days later.

Also, the Crown Office notice refers to “Andrew Mountbatten Windsor”, unhyphenated. Given that this is a notice in the public record, it raises the question of whether Andrew’s surname may have been legally changed from “Mountbatten-Windsor” (as documented in his marriage registration) to “Mountbatten Windsor”.
 
I was wondering... when Prince Phillip renounced his titles as a Prince of Greece and Denmark, did he do so for his heirs and successors also? I assume so. If not, could Andrew Mountbatten Windsor make any claim to be a Prince of Greece and Denmark?

The King's brother, his great uncle (the Duke of Windsor) and his paternal grandfather all bore the name "Andrew"; somehow, I can't see it being used again in the British royal family for a while....
 
Tatiana Maria said:
Two notices have been published in the Gazette, the UK’s official journal of public record.


Publication date: 5 November 2025, 12:00​
Edition: The London Gazette​
​
Warrants Under the Royal Sign Manual​
​
THE KING has been pleased by Warrant under His Royal Sign Manual dated 30 October 2025 to direct His Secretary of State to cause the Duke of York to be removed from the Roll of the Peerage with immediate effect.​
​
​
​
Publication date: 5 November 2025, 12:00​
Edition: The London Gazette​
​
Crown Office​
​
THE KING has been pleased by Letters Patent under the Great Seal of the Realm dated 3 November 2025 to declare that Andrew Mountbatten Windsor shall no longer be entitled to hold and enjoy the style, title or attribute of “Royal Highness” and the titular dignity of “Prince”.​
​


Related information:

A statement from Buckingham Palace

His Majesty has today initiated a formal process to remove the Style, Titles and Honours of Prince Andrew.Prince Andrew will now be known as Andrew Mountbatten...
www.royal.uk www.royal.uk

Roll of the Peerage - College of Arms

www.college-of-arms.gov.uk www.college-of-arms.gov.uk

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Good, so we now know that Letters Patent were indeed required to remove the style, title or attribute of “Royal Highness” and the titular dignity of “Prince”.

On the other hand, I think it is still debatable if the King has the power to direct the Secretary of State to remove Andrew from the Roll of the Peerage without Andrew's requesting it. Andrew's peerage has not been rescinded (i.e., he has not been "expropriated" under the interpretation that a peerage is a form of inheritable property), but his right to use his property and enjoy the benefits thereof (for example precedence and citation by a title in official documents) has been involuntarily curtailed by an executive action, rather than by law, which might be unlawful.

Furthermore, what prevents the King now from directing the Secretary of State to remove any other peer from the Roll against the peer's will? It looks like the rights and prerogatives of the peerage have been severely compromised.
 
Andy T said:
If not, could Andrew Mountbatten Windsor make any claim to be a Prince of Greece and Denmark?
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Under English common law, it is not a crime for any individual to refer to themself however they please. Even any of us could call ourselves Prince(ss) of Greece or Prince(ss) of Denmark in the UK, if we liked.

Legally, I don’t believe Andrew could make a claim on either title.

In Greece, the current Constitution of 1975 is interpreted by the authorities as having abolished all titles of royalty and nobility. The former crown prince Pavlos continues to call himself Crown Prince when he is outside of Greece, but in Greece, he is legally and socially "Pavlos De Grèce".

In Denmark, royal titles are governed solely by the will of the Monarch. An announcement from Queen Margrethe II was all that was needed to strip the royal titles from her cadet-branch grandchildren in 2023. Thus, for Andrew to be a Prince of Denmark, King Frederik X would need to agree that he is a Prince of Denmark.
 
Presumably there will be a further Warrant or Letters Patent to remove Mr Mountbatten Windsor from the Rolls of the Orders of the Garter and Royal Victorian Order
 
The Daily Mail is now reporting that King Charles will NOT strip Andrew of the operational service medals he he received while serving in the Navy.

www.dailymail.co.uk

King Charles will NOT strip Andrew of Falklands War medal

In a bombshell statement last week, Buckingham Palace coldly removed Andrew of all his titles amid growing controversy over his relationship with paedophile financier Jeffrey Epstein.
www.dailymail.co.uk www.dailymail.co.uk

Falklands veteran Simon Weston has apparently come to Andrew's defence, saying 'the one thing you cannot strip away from the man no matter how vindictive, vicious or virtue-signalling you want to be is that moment in his life where he was dignified, honourable and courageous'.

If this is accurate, it's the correct decision, IMHO. As repugnant as Andrew is, I agree with Mister Weston's assessment.
 
Simon Weston also said:

"He earned this. He paid for it with time and sacrifice. How dare you think you can take this from him.”

He added: “It’s trivialising what the medal stands for. It’s not a gift. It’s something you earn.”

I think that those are fair points. Otherwise, are you going to start taking away the medals of any veteran who's been accused of wrongdoing?
 
Tatiana Maria said:
Two notices have been published in the Gazette, the UK’s official journal of public record.


Publication date: 5 November 2025, 12:00​
Edition: The London Gazette​
​
Warrants Under the Royal Sign Manual​
​
THE KING has been pleased by Warrant under His Royal Sign Manual dated 30 October 2025 to direct His Secretary of State to cause the Duke of York to be removed from the Roll of the Peerage with immediate effect.​
​
​
​
Publication date: 5 November 2025, 12:00​
Edition: The London Gazette​
​
Crown Office​
​
THE KING has been pleased by Letters Patent under the Great Seal of the Realm dated 3 November 2025 to declare that Andrew Mountbatten Windsor shall no longer be entitled to hold and enjoy the style, title or attribute of “Royal Highness” and the titular dignity of “Prince”.​
​


Related information:

A statement from Buckingham Palace

His Majesty has today initiated a formal process to remove the Style, Titles and Honours of Prince Andrew.Prince Andrew will now be known as Andrew Mountbatten...
www.royal.uk www.royal.uk

Roll of the Peerage - College of Arms

www.college-of-arms.gov.uk www.college-of-arms.gov.uk

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So…. why is this sub-forum still titled “Prince Andrew”?
 
100% agree. I can't stand Andrew but I don't think you can start taking medals that have been earned from someone. I say this as someone with siblings, parents, a grandfather, uncles and cousins in the military - you can't take away a medal that has been earned fairly at the time. As the DM quotes one "senior defence source"
'Instinctively if one does something brave it seems extraordinary to then go and say someone hasn’t done something brave.'
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Given Andrew hasn't even been convicted of a crime (again not defending him just a fact) and you have people who have been charged with murder, man slaughter and more still holding medals I don't think it would be fair to take Andrew's actual service medals from him.
 
:previous: I personally agree with you, though if his actual service medals were removed, that approach would be consistent with his having his right to use his peerages removed while people who have been convicted of sexual assault are still permitted to use their peerages.
 
Every week, YouGov asks a sample of British adults: “Thinking back over the last week, what did you hear about most in the news?”

For the week ending November 2-3, the Prince Andrew story was the #1 answer, with 38% of respondents saying it was the story they heard about most in the news.




A poll conducted November 3 about Andrew Mountbatten Windsor’s honorary military title connected to his royal status:

“Would you support or oppose stripping the former Prince Andrew of his military title of Vice Admiral?”

58% Strongly support
18% Somewhat support
[76% total Support]

16% Don't know

6% Somewhat oppose
2% Strongly oppose
[8% total Oppose]

yougov.co.uk

Would you support or oppose stripping the former Prince Andrew of his military title of Vice Admiral? | Daily Question

Would you support or oppose stripping the former Prince Andrew of his military title of Vice Admiral?
yougov.co.uk yougov.co.uk



A poll conducted November 3 about Andrew Mountbatten Windsor’s earned military medal connected to his active war service:

“Would you support or oppose stripping the former Prince Andrew of his South Atlantic Medal, which he received for serving as a helicopter co‑pilot during the Falklands conflict?”

26% Strongly support
10% Somewhat support
[36% total Support]

22% Don't know

26% Somewhat oppose
17% Strongly oppose
[43% total Oppose]

yougov.co.uk

Would you support or oppose stripping the former Prince Andrew of his South Atlantic Medal, which he received for serving as a helicopter co-pilot during the Falklands conflict? | Daily Question

Would you support or oppose stripping the former Prince Andrew of his South Atlantic Medal, which he received for serving as a helicopter co-pilot during the Falklands conflict?
yougov.co.uk yougov.co.uk
 
See here for the links.

Prince Andrew Relinquishes Use of Titles & Honours, 17 Oct 2025

You made the point better than I did. They have no choice if the gift is from a country that the government wants to keep friendly. The Royal family are not allowed to offend foreign leaders. Now if it's Mr. Private Billionaire giving a present, they certainly can turn that down I would imagine...
www.theroyalforums.com www.theroyalforums.com
 
The saga continues.

Democratic members of the House Oversight Committee in the United States have apparently sent a letter to Andrew asking him to appear before Congress to explain his links to Jeffrey Epstein, saying 'they believe he possesses important information about people with links to the late financier's crimes'.

The letter has been signed by sixteen members of Congress, and asks Andrew to respond by November 20th.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Andrew ordered to appear at Congress to explain links to Epstein

Democratics in the House Oversight Committee sent the disgraced royal a letter on Thursday saying they believe he possesses important information about people with links to Epstein's crimes.
www.dailymail.co.uk www.dailymail.co.uk

It's interesting that this is being done now. Is he now perceived as an easier target because he is a plain Mister instead of a Prince? Did his demotion remove some legal and diplomatic protections in a way that opens him to this kind of action?
 
Erm, didn't they have what people call as "Eipstein Files"? Why don't they just push for that file to be opened/published and drag everyone's mentioned there? Better yet, maybe whatever information they need is already there. Shouldn't that be easier since it's in their own country instead of making it inter-countries stuff? They might get more from those files than what they can get from Andrew.

This sound like empty posturing virtue signaling to me.
 
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So true. Epstein died in August 2019. Joe Biden was elected 15 months later.
And came into office in January 2021. He, and his Administration, with the Department of Justice ( DOJ ) had ALL the information available. Why didn't they release the information ? The *Players*, that frequented Little St James Island. Or the Flight Logs, of Passengers ?
Four long years of the Biden Administration. Nothing released.
Why ?
 
Granada said:
So true. Epstein died in August 2019. Joe Biden was elected 15 months later.
And came into office in January 2021. He, and his Administration, with the Department of Justice ( DOJ ) had ALL the information available. Why didn't they release the information ? The *Players*, that frequented Little St James Island. Or the Flight Logs, of Passengers ?
Four long years of the Biden Administration. Nothing released.
Why ?
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My suspicion has always been there are a lot of political figures, near and dear to the Democratic party, involved with Epstein. The Biden administration had all the documents to use and expose the current president had he been involved, but choose not to release them.

For example, the UK event involving the Clinton Foundation where then prince Andrew was a type of host for the likes of Maxwell, Clinton and Kevin Spacey where they sat on QEII throne for pictures, was a democrat leaning crowd.

What we are discussing on the events involving Andrew these past weeks could turn uglier if he decided to speak up and name names. And many of those names could be of people on this side of the Atlantic pretending to distance themselves from Andrew but were part of that lifestyle as well.
 
Granada said:
So true. Epstein died in August 2019. Joe Biden was elected 15 months later.
And came into office in January 2021. He, and his Administration, with the Department of Justice ( DOJ ) had ALL the information available. Why didn't they release the information ? The *Players*, that frequented Little St James Island. Or the Flight Logs, of Passengers ?
Four long years of the Biden Administration. Nothing released.
Why ?
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The first batch of Epstein files(court documents ) became available in January 2024. A second much larger, more comprehensive cache of information was released in January 2025, the month that President Biden left office.

Since Trump...NOT Biden...made the repeated campaign promise to fully disclose the Epstein information once he was elected president, are you not more interested in why he reneged on his promise?

After all Trump made the campaign promise to do so. Not Biden.

Trump is in print and on camera socializing with Epstein. Not Biden.

ETA: Democrat Bill Clinton has gone on record as fully supporting full disclosure of the Epstein files.







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I don’t believe Andrew can be compelled to answer questions. I could be wrong- I haven’t read particular laws that govern this in a long time.

Regardless, I do not believe President Biden was protecting anyone. And I do believe Trump does not want those files made public. And I further believe that Andrew doesn’t want those files made public. And I don’t care at all about protecting Clinton or anyone else, no matter their title, status or political party.
 
Last comment on this, before I log out....there were MANY high profile Political, Media and Entrepreneurs that were *collected* by Epstein as Trophy's.

American Journalists George Stephanopoulos and Katie Couric were at the SAME dinner as Andrew, months after Epstein release from Jail in 2010 for Sex Crimes. Why ? No shame there ? They certainly knew.
Katie Couric WAS the Lead Anchor of the highly respected CBS Nightly New when this "Dinner" happened.
Same as George Stephanopoulos with ABC News. George was also involved in the Clinton Administration. Both highly *plugged in* individuals.

Bill Clinton. Bill Gates. Both travelled with Epstein.
THERE is a lots of dirt. A Lot of blame all around. All Parties.
If Andrew ever chose to name names, and I'm sure he knows *something*.... it would be a Political Earthquake.
 
BriarRose said:
I don’t believe Andrew can be compelled to answer questions. I could be wrong- I haven’t read particular laws that govern this in a long time.
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As I understand it, congressional requests and subpoenas have no legal force outside the US, so Andrew cannot be compelled to cooperate. Congress could initiate a formal procedure in the UK courts to compel him to provide testimony, but I honestly can't see that happening.
 
In several Andrew Lownie interviews … before Andrew was made a commoner … the author mentioned his next book was to be about Prince Philip.

But a report today has one of the people interviewing Mr Lownie saying that he told them he will now be working on a follow-up book to “Entitled” … to be called “Untitled”.

Mr Lownie says people at the Palace and in the Government are no longer fearful of speaking up.

The new book will be dealing with some of these seedier things … including the regular visits of sex-workers to Buckingham Palace with the knowledge of the Queen.
 
I will take Lownie's claims about 'seedier things' with a pinch of salt until the book in question comes out, but reading this gives me a dreadful feeling about what his future revelations could mean for the royal family...
 
GondorHasNoPants said:
I will take Lownie's claims about 'seedier things' with a pinch of salt until the book in question comes out, but reading this gives me a dreadful feeling about what his future revelations could mean for the royal family...
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Indeed GordonHasNoPants. I think the author/publisher are striking while the iron is hot as there will be money to be made.

For me, the removal of Andrew’s Prince title may end up having many unexpected consequences.

A bit like Charles’ admitting adultery on tv, Diana admitting adultery on tv, Andrew’s tv interview …

… those things must have seemed like a good idea to someone at the time, but in hindsight maybe less so.
 
I think Andrew’s Falklands medal might still be stripped. With the removal of all his other military titles, and the fact that he earned the medal under his princely title, I could see the Falklands medal being removed as well. Granted, I’m neither saying I am advocating for not speaking against it, but I can see the line of logic that could lead to the removal.
 
'Under his princely title' is a really weird criterion because in that case, they should remove EVERYTHING he ever did in life, for example, they should also remove his high school diploma - as he also earned that while being a prince... A lot of honors he received based on him being the queen's son but any official recognition for an achievement that he earned (primarily) based on his own merit should remain.
 
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