Prince Andrew Relinquishes Use of Titles & Honours, 17 Oct 2025

[Kaye1850]

I think Prince Andrew received two promises from KCIII, in return for his concessions.
1. Lifelong tenancy in Royal Lodge
2. Royal considerations for his daughters ~ the ‘blood princesses’ of their generation

 

[HenRach Dominion]

Some more questions…

1. Who is the main audience for this statement?
2. How is Andrew’s behavior expected to be different from when he was fired as a working member of the royal family?
3. How does this statement possibly affect how people view the BRF, especially in comparison to his expulsion as a working royal?
4. Many who answered my original question (thanks for that) stated that the statement is a way for the BRF to draw a hard line between them and Andrew. Why wasn’t the original hard line (no longer being a working royal) enough, and how will this one be different?
5. What are the consequences if Andrew does start publicly calling himself Duke of York again?
6. If one of the main goals of the statement was to publicly shame Andrew (as others who have answered my previous statement), given past behavior, how do you believe Andrew will responded to this?

 

[Ghost]

The Royal Lodge is legally in his use for the next 50 ish years. It belongs to The Crown Estate, not to The King.

 

[Somebody]

Great questions. According to the statement they felt a need to go a step further (in distancing him from the royal family I suppose).

 

[Hallo girl]

Could I ask those of you who are not satisfied with the announcement give us an idea of what would have been more suitable.

 

[hereditarytitles]

Andrew Lownie has implied that Beatrice and Eugenie's activities in the Middle East is the next big scandal to break
I would not be remotely surprised if that turns out to be true.

I find it regrettable that the two daughters and even the sons-in-law are now also suspected by the press of having something to do with their father's dubious business dealings. That's a bit far-fetched, and there's no evidence yet.
Now the whole family is in the spotlight.

The only thing that has always irritated me was that every year Fergie, the daughters, and the sons-in-law were invited to the Grand Prix in Bahrain and were always happy to follow the invitation.
I was particularly surprised that Eugenie always attended, despite her role as a supporter of the charity that campaigns for the abolition of “modern slavery.” She should know that Bahrain is on the list of countries known for human rights violations, including “modern slavery.” I have always criticized this ignorance, but nobody seemed to care.

I am sure they will stand by their parents as loyal children. They have done so in the past, which will be a comfort for their parents. Not that I feel sorry for the parents, they are getting what they deserved. But still, it must be quite painful and horrible for them right now.

 

[Ghost]

I’m not so sure how far fetched is. I remember a payment made into Bea’s account.

 

[Moonmaiden23]

Titles and honours aside, I hope this finally means we won’t see Andrew in ANY royal events ever again.

Despite his banishment from public life since 2022, he has been prominently featured in a number of major royal events: memorial service for Philip, funeral of the Queen, Coronation (in Garter robes!!), Christmases at Sandringham, memorial service for King Constantine, funeral of Duchess of Kent…

He may be allowed to attend private parts of family funerals, but through the side door and seated in a quiet corner!

Did people REALLY expect this man to attend the funeral of his own parents by sneaking in and sitting in "a quiet corner"? Based on the fact that he is deeply unpopular and has brought bad headlines to a family that should be used to them by now?

The guy was basically edited out of his daughter's wedding photos!

I can understand about big public celebrations, but I draw the line at family funerals. Andrew, as one of the queen and the DoE's beloved children was seated right where he belonged.

With his family.

Anyone who is THAT offended by seeing him had the option to not tune in.

I am sorry but I feel that the bloodlust at Andrew has gone a bit too far.

What's next? Should he be buried in an unmarked grave at the Royal pet cemetery?

 

[victor1319]

I find it regrettable

And yet you are talking about Bahrain . Princess Beatrice was last year in Abu Dhabi too and in Saudi Arabia.

The infamous rag "Daily Mail" was asking back then, if her "networking" has anything to do with her father's lack of funds... Princess Eugenie was down there in the Gulf States too...

This was last year and already last year questions popped up...

I find this process quite normal, I must say - If the daughters are involved, it is for Daddy and since they are his descendants and heirs, they have quite an interest in the monies of Prince Andrew, their father.

 

[hereditarytitles]

Interesting, I hadn't known that, but not really surprising.
"Finding it regrettable" is just to say that I usually am very cautious when it comes to public accusations of people when we still don't know if these accusations are valid. "Innocent until proven guilty" should always be kept in mind IMO.
Addendum: Of course, these rich oil states cannot be excluded from international relations. We need them and they need us. There are many state visits and friendly relations, and the issue of “human rights violations” is not mentioned.
But the difference is that Eugenie, Beatrice, Fergie, and their husbands are invited there privately and not in an official capacity. I have not noticed this with other royals so far, for example.

 

[GondorHasNoPants]

I was particularly surprised that Eugenie always attended, despite her role as a supporter of the charity that campaigns for the abolition of “modern slavery.” She should know that Bahrain is on the list of countries known for human rights violations, including “modern slavery.” I have always criticized this ignorance, but nobody seemed to care.

It is a cognitive dissonance hypocrisy that many celebrities suffer from. Campaign against modern slavery, but take a luxury visit to a modern slavery state. Campaign against bullying, but be friends with a bully. Campaign against racism, but date a racist. Campaign for a living wage, but pay your staff the bare minimum. Campaign for women's equality, but never hire or work with women.

Saying you support something is easy. Putting your money where your mouth is, and changing your behaviour to match what you say is often much harder. Especially when it means giving up nice things like free trips.

I’m not so sure how far fetched is. I remember a payment made into Bea’s account.

I'm not sure if and how Beatrice was involved, but in October 2019, Princess Eugenie received 25,000 pounds from Turkish millionaire Nebahat Isbilen. This was supposedly to cover the catering costs of the surprise birthday party she and Beatrice where throwing for their mother. Eugenie claims she asked Isbilen's people to pay the caterers directly, but the money was transferred to her instead, and she then transferred it on to the organizing company.

Princess Beatrice and Princess Eugenie Named in Fraud Case Tied to Prince Andrew

Prince Andrew and his family have been named in a fraud lawsuit, where a Turkish millionaire claims she was tricked into giving the Yorks money.

people.com

 

[Ghost]

Right, my mistake, it was Eugenie’s account.

 

[Prinsara]

Could I ask those of you who are not satisfied with the announcement give us an idea of what would have been more suitable.

I don’t mind the announcement but I think more people would have preferred a spell in the stocks.

What's next? Should he be buried in an unmarked grave at the Royal pet cemetery?

Probably not, but it all depends on what further opprobrium comes out about him with time — there certainly appears to be no end to it, and Andrew knows this, or he wouldn’t have “meekly” dropped the titles. He won’t be buried as Duke of York (right?), as it stands.

And a lot of this could have been avoided had he quietly left the country. That he didn’t is on his own ridiculous, twisted self-image and the lack of self-preservation and disgust flung back is on him.

 

[royal-blue]

I expect that in the coming weeks we will see him lose his Prince title and finally be forced out of Royal Lodge.

 

[HenRach Dominion]

My 8th (?) question: How do you feel about the media framing this as the stripping of Andrew’s titles when it is not, and probably never will be?

 

[Minister of Court]

Did people REALLY expect this man to attend the funeral of his own parents by sneaking in and sitting in "a quiet corner"?

Yes. He could have attended just the private family burial. He had no place taking part in the ceremonial state aspects of those occasions. This is not an ordinary family. State and ceremonial funerals are mostly for the benefit of the public. The family can mourn in private. (I believe this was the late Queen’s opinion in the case of Diana’s funeral arrangements?)

I can see why people might think it ”cruel” to exclude Andrew from funerals, but vice versa I think it is appalling to let him use these occasions to draw attention to himself as was the case at the funeral of the Duchess of Kent and the memorial service for King Constantine (and these were even mostly private events). The man can’t help pushing himself front and centre at any possible event.

 

[GondorHasNoPants]

Yes. He could have attended just the private family burial. He had no place taking part in the ceremonial state aspects of those occasions. This is not an ordinary family. State and ceremonial funerals are mostly for the benefit of the public. The family can mourn in private.

This is the 'problem' the BRF need to solve going forward - how to balance being a family (with all its ups and downs and inevitable dramas and squabbles) with being an organization whose 'salaried members' represent the nation in various ways, led by a 'CEO' who fills a serious constitutional role. It's not a new problem - people have referred to the BRF as The Firm for years - but recent events have made the issue more obvious.

I think Charles, like the late Queen, takes a softer stance on finding and enforcing this balance, but I'm not sure William feels the same way. It will be interesting to see how he handles distant and errant family members during events such as state funerals once he is King.

 

[Moonmaiden23]

I think this horrible situation has been handled well, at last. I watched Andrew and Fergie running around at the funeral of The Duchess of Kent, laughing and joking and jostling for position like they had just been released from hibernation and were at a party! It was hideous. They really had no idea how to behave, with times and spiralling accusations as they are.
These latest developments will definitely hurt Andrew. We should see little more of them, unless seated quietly at the back of the family group, having entered via a side door. If there’s a worry that they could write a story such as Spare, they could be asked to sign a non-disclosure order on the condition that they’re allowed to remain in Royal Lodge at their own expense.
I do feel sorry for their daughters and their families who have done little wrong.

I don't think residency at RL can be used as leverage to get Andrew to sign an NDA. Andrew has an ironclad lease. He can't be moved. If he hasn't been successfully forced out of his home by now it's because it cannot legally be done.

The only way to get him to both sign an NDA and possibly agree to break his RL lease and move is to pay him a substantial sum of money...and I do mean substantial...not just a few million.

Money has always been Andrew and Sarah's Achilles heel.

He might even be enticed into a comfortable exile abroad Iike the disgraced King Juan Carlos or the Duke of Windsor.

Portugal and Spain are both far enough to be out of Charles and William's hair, but close enough to be near his children and grand chiIdren

Yes. He could have attended just the private family burial. He had no place taking part in the ceremonial state aspects of those occasions. This is not an ordinary family. State and ceremonial funerals are mostly for the benefit of the public. The family can mourn in private. (I believe this was the late Queen’s opinion in the case of Diana’s funeral arrangements?)

I can see why people might think it ”cruel” to exclude Andrew from funerals, but vice versa I think it is appalling to let him use these occasions to draw attention to himself as was the case at the funeral of the Duchess of Kent and the memorial service for King Constantine (and these were even mostly private events). The man can’t help pushing himself front and centre at any possible event.

It's a matter of perception. I didn't see it as Andrew consciously and purposefully using the aforementioned occasions to draw attention to himself. I saw it as Andrew being who he has always been his entire life...boorish and completely unable to read the room.

He had a right to be at all of these occasions, and in the case of his mother an obligation to not only be there, but front and center. Like it or not the queen adored Andrew.

Even the traitor king Edward VIII who was willing to hand his country and his family over to Hitler walked front and center alongside his brothers at Queen Mary's funeral procession and stood vigil all while dressed in full Royal and military regalia. He also was accorded a full Royal funeral.

According to the laws of the United Kingdom, Andrew committed no crime but should be forced to slink into family funerals and hide?

I respect your opinion Minister of Court. But I absolutely disagree with it.

 

[Diarist]

The titles are in abeyance - the Dukedom was never going to be stripped from him as it would mean Parliament getting involved as only they can pass legislation to strip it.
I'm more interested to see what happens with the Garter and RVO - are they just not being used or have they been taken away?

IMO if the Palace have seen copies of the book and there is more to come they should have held of on announcing it until then, now it leaves them open for the media demanding more when the book extracts come out.

Though there was probably a desire to have the issue settled before the King's state visit to the Vatican next week.
Well, we really haven't seen much of him for years now, ever since the Epstein scandal broke.
What does Andrew do with his time, now that he is a pari

Well, we really haven't seen much of him for years now, ever since the Epstein scandal broke.
What does Andrew do with his time, now that he is a pariah?

Well, he could play more golf!

 

[caethi]

I expect that in the coming weeks we will see him lose his Prince title and finally be forced out of Royal Lodge.

He was born a prince. That is a style that cannot be removed. As far as we know, he has a lease on Royal Lodge and as long as he keeps to the terms of the lease, he cannot be removed.

He has not been charged in any criminal court. If there is evidence and reason to charge him, I hope it happens. As of now, he is disgraced in the public eye. Calls for him to leave the country are ridiculous.

 

[Prinsara]

He might even be enticed into a comfortable exile abroad Iike the disgraced King Juan Carlos or the Duke of Windsor.

Portugal and Spain are both far enough to be out of Charles and William's hair, but close enough to be near his children and grand chiIdren.

No. He needs to be in the Gulf like Juan Carlos (who has at least reached the stage where he comes and goes from Spain as he pleases. We’ll see if Andrew makes that before he reaches the same age), or somewhere similar where the British press has no reach or interest; preferably where there are no wealthy, questionable people hosting him — but is that doable? Maybe he can transition to Iberia if nothing else happens for several years.

 

[tommy100]

If the Andrew and / or Sarah decide to go anywhere the possibilities IMO:

The Telegraph pointed out that Sarah has long had links to Switzerland, she even applied for Swiss residency in 2016, obviously the chalet they shared ownership was also in Switzerland.

Andrew Lownie claims Andrew has had access to a fully staffed Palace in Abu Dhabi for years as a gift from the country's ruling family.

Or Portugal to be close to Eugenie. Jack works for the property development out there so I am sure could get them a good price for a residence out there

However, more likely, things will remain just as they are. I can't see Andrew living full time in Abu Dhabi, too hot and tbh it would just be a nightmare, all those Middle Eastern sheiks and businessmen courting him for his former status and supposed links... recipe for disaster.

 

[Prinsara]

Would Andrew agree to go to the Falklands again, if it was in the service of his country?

…I don’t know. If all he really wants to do is ride and play golf (with someone keeping an eye on him), that increases the possibilities. But he just needs to go and do it somewhere far away. I’m sorry if he hasn’t wanted to be Great-Uncle David, but it’s not going to get better this way. Definition of insanity and all that.

The Telegraph pointed out that Sarah has long had links to Switzerland, she even applied for Swiss residency in 2016, obviously the chalet they shared ownership was also in Switzerland.

I think Sarah would find life in Switzerland pretty peaceful and it might (also getting her away from Andrew) actually be good for her.

 

[Moonmaiden23]

He was born a prince. That is a style that cannot be removed. As far as we know, he has a lease on Royal Lodge and as long as he keeps to the terms of the lease, he cannot be removed.

He has not been charged in any criminal court. If there is evidence and reason to charge him, I hope it happens. As of now, he is disgraced in the public eye. Calls for him to leave the country are ridiculous.

To be clear I absolutely do not believe that Andrew should be forced into exile .

I brought it up mainly as an alternative to the life he is leading now, a virtual prisoner at RL with people calling for his prosecution and imprisonment if he dares as to so much as smile in public.

I would have gladly left Britain for warmer climes right after the death of the queen, if I had been him.

 

[meeralakshmi]

The fact he will no longer be referred to as HRH is a major dent to his pride and reputation.

Yes he will, he will still be addressed as HRH Prince Andrew since he only stopped using the dukedom.

 

[Toledo]

Great questions. According to the statement they felt a need to go a step further (in distancing him from the royal family I suppose).

For distance I'll suggest relocating Andrew to the isle on Man, that I just read is not really part of the UK, and he can do charity work with those cute tailless cats. He can also do community theater for the Manx residents with a play called Cats.

Besides that, 50 years for a lease to be up is a lifetime and let's hope Charles and William learn the lesson not to ever give these arrangements to anyone near and dear again.

 

[Somebody]

Yes he will, he will still be addressed as HRH Prince Andrew since he only stopped using the dukedom.

He already gave up the use of the style of HRH in 2022. It would be hard to stop using something twice.

See: Prince Andrew loses military titles and use of HRH

Note that yesterday’s announcement did not specify which titles he was no longer using but made a reference to ‘his titles’ (in general but als plural). Which is weird as apparently the plan is for him to continue to be known as prince Andrew (which Charles could easily strip him off if he wished to do so - unlike his peerage which requires an act of parliament).

 

[tommy100]

I think it would perhaps do Andrew good to spend time elsewhere for a while, as well as doing the RF and monarchy in general good. I don't think he should be "exiled", I just think its a win-win for all concerned tbh.

 

[royal-blue]

Would the King/the government be able to strip Andrew of his British citizenship? Obviously he'd have to have a new life abroad first. Maybe in the USA?

 

[meeralakshmi]

Could I ask those of you who are not satisfied with the announcement give us an idea of what would have been more suitable.

What people who believe Andrew is guilty want is to see him legally stripped of his titles and imprisoned but the fact is that he hasn’t been declared guilty of any crime yet.