Prince Andrew Relinquishes Use of Titles & Honours, 17 Oct 2025


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BP needs to ask someone on staff to make an account on a forum like this. Because as soon as the announcement was made, the first question a bunch of asked was 'what about the hyphen'. We could keep them in the right :)

I also wonder about palace errors ~ new hires or inept managers?

 
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I cannot tell you how much time I spend correcting other people's poor spelling and poor grammar. I don't think schools bother with it any more! It's amazing how many people use txt spk even in work e-mails.
 
Interesting. I thought we only had this problem in Germany. I sometimes think, it's related to the extreme use of mobile phones, where everything has to be quick and people no longer take the time to write clearly and grammatically correctly. And teachers are giving up....
 
I also wonder about palace errors ~ new hires or inept managers?



It was in 2005 that the then Prince of Wales (Charles III) announced he would hold his civil wedding at Windsor Castle, apparently being unaware that (1) licensing Windsor Castle as a marriage venue would open it up to members of the public to hold their weddings there, too, and (2) the law banning royals from having a civil wedding had never been repealed.

Buckingham Palace also spent many years insisting to skeptical royal watchers that the princes’ wives were not princesses and the Wessex children were not princess or prince. Then the Duke of Cambridge (Prince William) referred to his wife Catherine as a princess on their son’s birth certificate and the Countess of Wessex told an interviewer her children had unused prince/ssly titles.

So I suspect it goes beyond the new hires. ;)
 
Sheesh can Buckingham Palace can be anymore sloppy?
It's not a good look at all. It makes the whole institution look like a laughing stock.
Here they have done what has never been done before- one would have thought that thorough research was done. Only to hear that they are now "considering" adding a hyphen ultimately changing Andrew's name again.

Come on....

I really thought some dreadful revelation was coming Alisa … something so negative that the Royal Family had to protect themselves by making Andrew a commoner and no longer one of them.

The missing hyphen now perhaps being re-instated makes me wonder if the whole thing was more an emotional decision rather than a carefully considered one.

I still can’t see the point of Royal Lodge being part of the problem … though it got a lot of coverage for a week or two.

Several reporters I have seen, Australian and American, have referred to it as “the” Royal Lodge, as if it is a particularly important building, and not just another one among hundreds.

I now no longer think there is some dreadful secret about to be exposed.

I actually have some sympathy for both Andrew and Sarah as people … for their personal struggles … as more revelations have come out.

They both seem to have had major issues that they barely got any help or guidance with over the years … and now it has come to this for the couple.

It’s is starting to come across as a rushed decision … and it doesn’t look good that things are being tweaked. Not professional.


Edit: Just saw this report.

Author Andrew Lownie has said he believes Andrew Mountbatten Windsor will be charged because of financial issues … not sexual/Epstein issues.

He’s quoted as pretty much saying it is going to happen … though I will surprised if it actually does myself. I can’t see it … and also hope it doesn’t.


(The “Herald Sun” is an Australian newspaper.)
 
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Sheesh can Buckingham Palace can be anymore sloppy?
It's not a good look at all. It makes the whole institution look like a laughing stock.
Here they have done what has never been done before- one would have thought that thorough research was done. Only to hear that they are now "considering" adding a hyphen ultimately changing Andrew's name again.

Come on....

Come on, in a world where people engage into verbal wars for the sake of nonsense and made up pronouns, let the guy have something on his way out of royalty. As I'm typing that I have to admit it took me a while to find where the hyphen is located on the keyboard! :oops:

Found it: on your keyboard numbers above the letters see where Andrew's royal life is valued now, as in the number Zero, and the hyphen key is to it's right and just above the letter P he used to type for prince. ;)
 
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Pitch@Palace is being wound down ,it was set up in 2014 but an application to be struck off and dissolved was filed with the Companies House yesterday.
Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor closes down royal business

@An Ard Ri Is this the website Pitch@Palace ? It was shut down during the Covid quarantine.
The website also gives us some clarity on the type of business Andrew did, or people did for him or with him as the front person. I edited ... out and bolded key lines:

"Pitch@Palace Global's operations ... is taking the time to reassess its future direction and strategy, together with its brand and scope of activities.
Since its first event in 2014, Pitch@Palace has played a... role in the UK start-up economy... established to provide a platform for UK entrepreneurs to make transformational connections that could accelerate their businesses. ...Pitch@Palace Global was formed to connect this community supporting entrepreneurs.
Pitch@Palace Global has built a strong ecosystem with 1,000+ entrepreneurs from 64 countries globally."
💰💶💲💱
After reading the above, I still don't know what Andrew's business was all about except traveling and socializing on someone's money, I guess?

Now this is from eight years ago, Andrew pitching a YouTube channel in Australia, with 19 subscribers, to explain what is this business of his about. And still, I don't get it. I suggest you to look at this before it gets removed in next few days when one of it's 19 subscribers tells Andy his site is still up


The channel has only four uploaded videos with this one below from 2017 as the closest to our time. It's a no spoken word video presentation. The music probably copied from the same service that you hear on the phone when the Help Desk at a Dentist's office puts you on hold. :oops:


This other video, of the four listed from 8 years ago, has a person from Australia saying the praises for Andrew's business. It feels we are being guided on a museum tour or a promo for a remake of that 80s TV show Lifestyle of the Rich and Famous. To its credit, I think this was a good start to find the meaning of the term Word Salad, when you say a lot of social media acceptable words that are anything but empty within the context.

The good thing is YouTube installed AI in the recent couple of years to censor content and is easy to find when you click on the Description and see the word Transcript. That's the thing that made content makers use the word 'unalive' to avoid flags and demonetization. Audio is turned into text by the AI, evaluated with time stamps and we get a nice transcript on the right side of your screen that says (I edited it out and bolded key lines)

0:56
seemed a little too absurd to be true

1:00
and there was nothing like standing on a
1:02
hot stage in front of 300 high-profile
1:04
people with a royal band standing next
1:07
to you ready to cut you off
1:15
what's important a guests are curated to
1:17
suit those on the stage they are there
1:19
to help you succeed the Prince asked

1:21
everyone in the audience to do at least
1:23
one thing for a startup


💰💶💲💱

In other words, seems Andrew's business at the time was to use his title and access to royal places to invite rich people hang out in An Afternoon with Andy and somehow he gets influence, free travel and parties, etc.? Yet, now with these long forgotten videos from Andrew we see a glimpse of what he did he calls a job, just a poser shaking hands.

Where are these people, his curated guests, now? The spokeperson for Andrew's pitch@palace on that video is still listing Andrew's business on his Crunchbase business website https://www.crunchbase.com/person/pete-saunders with a total funding amount of, take a seat now, One point Nine Billion USA Dollars and 398 organizations connected to Andrew's business, hope they all do a Go FundMe for him soon:

 
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That was the UK side but the International part, Pitch@Palace Global, remained open.
The entire venture is now being dissolved.
Andrew shuts down Pitch@Palace business venture
I just added more stuff at the end out of curiosity to see where Andrew's business could lead us to find out more, via the associate that made the video for Andrew back in 2017.

I'm still confused on what pitch@palace is, or was, all about besides a social club with curated guests. Can you imagine if Epstein's name is still floating there the way these four forgotten videos are on YouTube? As they say in Telenovelas, "Escandalo"!
 
@An Ard Ri Is this the website Pitch@Palace ? It was shut down during the Covid quarantine.
The website also gives us some clarity on the type of business Andrew did, or people did for him or with him as the front person. I edited ... out and bolded key lines:

"Pitch@Palace Global's operations ... is taking the time to reassess its future direction and strategy, together with its brand and scope of activities.
Since its first event in 2014, Pitch@Palace has played a... role in the UK start-up economy... established to provide a platform for UK entrepreneurs to make transformational connections that could accelerate their businesses. ...Pitch@Palace Global was formed to connect this community supporting entrepreneurs.
Pitch@Palace Global has built a strong ecosystem with 1,000+ entrepreneurs from 64 countries globally."
💰💶💲💱

After reading the above, I still don't know what Andrew's business was all about except traveling and socializing on someone's money, I guess?

Now this is from eight years ago, Andrew pitching a YouTube channel in Australia, with 19 subscribers, to explain what is this business of his about. And still, I don't get it. I suggest you to look at this before it gets removed in next few days when one of it's 19 subscribers tells Andy his site is still up


The channel has only four uploaded videos with this one below from 2017 as the closest to our time. It's a no spoken word video presentation. The music probably copied from the same service that you hear on the phone when the Help Desk at a Dentist's office puts you on hold. :oops:


This other video, of the four listed from 8 years ago, has a person from Australia saying the praises for Andrew's business. It feels we are being guided on a museum tour or a promo for a remake of that 80s TV show Lifestyle of the Rich and Famous. To its credit, I think this was a good start to find the meaning of the term Word Salad, when you say a lot of social media acceptable words that are anything but empty within the context.

The good thing is YouTube installed AI in the recent couple of years to censor content and is easy to find when you click on the Description and see the word Transcript. That's the thing that made content makers use the word 'unalive' to avoid flags and demonetization. Audio is turned into text by the AI, evaluated with time stamps and we get a nice transcript on the right side of your screen that says (I edited it out and bolded key lines)

0:56
seemed a little too absurd to be true

1:00
and there was nothing like standing on a
1:02
hot stage in front of 300 high-profile
1:04
people with a royal band standing next
1:07
to you ready to cut you off
1:15
what's important a guests are curated to
1:17
suit those on the stage they are there
1:19
to help you succeed the Prince asked

1:21
everyone in the audience to do at least
1:23
one thing for a startup


💰💶💲💱

In other words, seems Andrew's business at the time was to use his title and access to royal places to invite rich people hang out in An Afternoon with Andy and somehow he gets influence, free travel and parties, etc.? Yet, now with these long forgotten videos from Andrew we see a glimpse of what he did he calls a job, just a poser shaking hands.

Where are these people, his curated guests, now? The spokeperson for Andrew's pitch@palace on that video is still listing Andrew's business on his Crunchbase business website https://www.crunchbase.com/person/pete-saunders with a total funding amount of, take a seat now, One point Nine Billion USA Dollars and 398 organizations connected to Andrew's business, hope they all do a Go FundMe for him soon:

Many universities now have special departments dedicated to connecting entrepreneurs and startups with potential investors and/or international stakeholders. Andrew's role was presumably to bring companies, investors, and startups together on an international level. That's not inherently a bad thing.
Whether he received any financial compensation for his work is unknown. He surely received some form of payment for his efforts; as long as it wasn't slush-money it would even be ok.

Here's an article published by the "World Economic Forum" about how these things work nowadays,
 
Previous posts on the Hyphen Saga:


The decision has been taken: Charles (Buckingham Palace) and Andrew have agreed to spell their surname as it always has been.

Royal reporter Caroline Davies:

“Ever since the former Prince Andrew was demoted to plain Mr Andrew Mountbatten Windsor, royal observers and historians have scratched their heads over his missing hyphen.
[…]
Princess Anne signed her 1973 marriage register as Anne Mountbatten-Windsor, the Duke and Duchess of Edinburgh’s children use Mountbatten-Windsor, as do the Duke and Duchess of Sussex’s children – all with hyphens.

So why not Andrew? His surname was missing the hyphen when his new name was announced on 30 October in the fallout over his friendship with the convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein.

When asked about the absence of a hyphen at the time, a palace spokesperson said: “Andrew Mountbatten Windsor was the name agreed.”

Royal sources have now confirmed that Mountbatten-Windsor will indeed use the punctuation mark between his two last names. It is understood the palace has examined the 1960 privy council declaration, which includes a hyphen, and will use one from now on.”



The Times:

“However, Buckingham Palace has now confirmed: “We will use a hyphen going forward.”

It is understood that during negotiations about removing his royal titles, Andrew said he preferred to be styled without a hyphen.


However, the precedent for a hyphen is given in historical documents, a fact the Palace found it could not ignore. Mountbatten-Windsor, with a hyphen, appears on Princess Anne’s wedding certificate to her first husband, Mark Phillips, in 1973.

Several royal children also have the surname, complete with hyphen, recorded on their official documents, including Archie, born in 2019 to the Duke and Duchess of Sussex, who has Mountbatten-Windsor on his birth certificate.”​



“A fact the Palace found it could not ignore”… except between October 30 and November 10.
 
The courtiers probably didn't consider this because Andrew himself wanted his name without a hyphen. It likely occurred to some of them later that there had been a declaration by the late queen long ago, hence the change to which Andrew now has to abide. What an enormous fuss about a hyphen!
 
I know this is off topic but I must ask: the dynastic name was Windsor until Philip entered the family. With the hyphen, the dynasty's name is now Mountbatten-Windsor. Was that really the intention, since the Mountbatten name takes precedence with this change?
 
I know this is off topic but I must ask: the dynastic name was Windsor until Philip entered the family. With the hyphen, the dynasty's name is now Mountbatten-Windsor. Was that really the intention, since the Mountbatten name takes precedence with this change?

English speakers, at least in the UK, ordinarily perceive the ultimate surname in a double- (or triple-) barreled name as taking precedence over the others. For example, the English actor Ralph Twisleton-Wykeham-Fiennes abbreviates his surname as "Ralph Fiennes".

So the order "Mountbatten-Windsor" gives "Windsor" precedence over "Mountbatten".

For future reference, you might want to consult the thread below :flowers:

 
English speakers, at least in the UK, ordinarily perceive the ultimate surname in a double- (or triple-) barreled name as taking precedence over the others. For example, the English actor Ralph Twisleton-Wykeham-Fiennes abbreviates his surname as "Ralph Fiennes".

So the order "Mountbatten-Windsor" gives "Windsor" precedence over "Mountbatten".

For future reference, you might want to consult the thread below :flowers:

Ok thanks. :flowers:
I was wondering since alphabetic filing will put Mountbatten-Windsor under M, but without the hyphen it would file under W. At least that's book business standards.
 
The “Members of the Royal Family” list has apparently been taken down for the time being. This has never happened before, as far as I can remember. Whenever the list was updated, the updated link simply replaced the old one.

Scroll down to Annex D: Use of Royal Arms, Names and Images

I wonder if the list is currently missing because, perhaps, the Andrew situation is prompting extensive internal discussions as to who should be on the list.

In the UK, membership of the Royal Family has legal and protocolar implications. Membership of the Royal Family confers both privileges (e.g., members are partially shielded from criticism in Parliament and their last wills are kept sealed) and responsibilities (e.g., members are expected to follow special guidelines concerning business activities or accepting gifts), whether the member is an HRH or not.


Ok thanks. :flowers:
I was wondering since alphabetic filing will put Mountbatten-Windsor under M, but without the hyphen it would file under W. At least that's book business standards.

Yes, that's true in English-speaking countries too.
 
English speakers, at least in the UK, ordinarily perceive the ultimate surname in a double- (or triple-) barreled name as taking precedence over the others. For example, the English actor Ralph Twisleton-Wykeham-Fiennes abbreviates his surname as "Ralph Fiennes".

So the order "Mountbatten-Windsor" gives "Windsor" precedence over "Mountbatten".

For future reference, you might want to consult the thread below :flowers:

The name "Mountbatten" was originally translated from the German "Battenberg" into English because of the aversion to anything "German." The Battenberg family is a branch of the House of Hesse-Darmstadt, as members who know much more about it than I do are well aware.

Prince Philip's mother was a Battenberg, which didn't sound good at the time. Weren't there concerns back then about her wanting to marry him?

I think this double surname is accepted now. You can't undo all of history. Perhaps it's also meant to acknowledge Prince Philip as a Mountbatten and as the father of all the Queen's descendants?

As far as I know, there are no legal regulations regarding the composition of a double surname. Everyone can choose which name comes first, whether it's their birth name or their second husband's name. I'm also not sure if one establishes a priority by considering one name more important than the other.

Perhaps some people don't even think about it and simply choose what they feel is right at the time. This might be different if it is concerning royal names.
 
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The name "Mountbatten" was originally translated from the German "Battenberg" into English because of the aversion to anything "German." The Battenberg family is a branch of the House of Hesse-Darmstadt, as members who know much more about it than I do are well aware.

Prince Philip's mother was a Battenberg, which didn't sound good at the time. Weren't there concerns back then about her wanting to marry him?

My understanding, from my past reading, is that British concerns about Philip's family surrounded his being a Prince of Greece and his sisters' marriages into the German nobility, not his mother Alice being a Battenberg.

Alice's parents settled in Britain before her birth and they and their children were formally recognized as members of the British Royal Family, as she was a great-granddaughter of Queen Victoria. They were British royal family members first and foremost, and Battenbergs second.
 
@An Ard Ri Is this the website Pitch@Palace ? It was shut down during the Covid quarantine.
The website also gives us some clarity on the type of business Andrew did, or people did for him or with him as the front person. I edited ... out and bolded key lines:

"Pitch@Palace Global's operations ... is taking the time to reassess its future direction and strategy, together with its brand and scope of activities.
Since its first event in 2014, Pitch@Palace has played a... role in the UK start-up economy... established to provide a platform for UK entrepreneurs to make transformational connections that could accelerate their businesses. ...Pitch@Palace Global was formed to connect this community supporting entrepreneurs.
Pitch@Palace Global has built a strong ecosystem with 1,000+ entrepreneurs from 64 countries globally."
💰💶💲💱

After reading the above, I still don't know what Andrew's business was all about except traveling and socializing on someone's money, I guess?

Now this is from eight years ago, Andrew pitching a YouTube channel in Australia, with 19 subscribers, to explain what is this business of his about. And still, I don't get it. I suggest you to look at this before it gets removed in next few days when one of it's 19 subscribers tells Andy his site is still up


The channel has only four uploaded videos with this one below from 2017 as the closest to our time. It's a no spoken word video presentation. The music probably copied from the same service that you hear on the phone when the Help Desk at a Dentist's office puts you on hold. :oops:


This other video, of the four listed from 8 years ago, has a person from Australia saying the praises for Andrew's business. It feels we are being guided on a museum tour or a promo for a remake of that 80s TV show Lifestyle of the Rich and Famous. To its credit, I think this was a good start to find the meaning of the term Word Salad, when you say a lot of social media acceptable words that are anything but empty within the context.

The good thing is YouTube installed AI in the recent couple of years to censor content and is easy to find when you click on the Description and see the word Transcript. That's the thing that made content makers use the word 'unalive' to avoid flags and demonetization. Audio is turned into text by the AI, evaluated with time stamps and we get a nice transcript on the right side of your screen that says (I edited it out and bolded key lines)

0:56
seemed a little too absurd to be true

1:00
and there was nothing like standing on a
1:02
hot stage in front of 300 high-profile
1:04
people with a royal band standing next
1:07
to you ready to cut you off
1:15
what's important a guests are curated to
1:17
suit those on the stage they are there
1:19
to help you succeed the Prince asked

1:21
everyone in the audience to do at least
1:23
one thing for a startup


💰💶💲💱

In other words, seems Andrew's business at the time was to use his title and access to royal places to invite rich people hang out in An Afternoon with Andy and somehow he gets influence, free travel and parties, etc.? Yet, now with these long forgotten videos from Andrew we see a glimpse of what he did he calls a job, just a poser shaking hands.

Where are these people, his curated guests, now? The spokeperson for Andrew's pitch@palace on that video is still listing Andrew's business on his Crunchbase business website https://www.crunchbase.com/person/pete-saunders with a total funding amount of, take a seat now, One point Nine Billion USA Dollars and 398 organizations connected to Andrew's business, hope they all do a Go FundMe for him soon:

It sounds like the original idea was somewhat like Shark Tank with Andrew perceiving himself as some sort of felicitator?
 
My understanding, from my past reading, is that British concerns about Philip's family surrounded his being a Prince of Greece and his sisters' marriages into the German nobility, not his mother Alice being a Battenberg.

Alice's parents settled in Britain before her birth and they and their children were formally recognized as members of the British Royal Family, as she was a great-granddaughter of Queen Victoria. They were British royal family members first and foremost, and Battenbergs second.
Thanks for the explanation. That's why I'm not sure if my subjective assessment is correct. My impressions are based on biographies, newspaper articles, and television documentaries, which of course aren't always accurate. And what sticks in your memory is what you believe or how you interpret it.
This is the reason, why I said that my knowledge about that part of the past might be wrong.
 
The name "Mountbatten" was originally translated from the German "Battenberg" into English because of the aversion to anything "German." The Battenberg family is a branch of the House of Hesse-Darmstadt, as members who know much more about it than I do are well aware.

Prince Philip's mother was a Battenberg, which didn't sound good at the time. Weren't there concerns back then about her wanting to marry him?

I think this double surname is accepted now. You can't undo all of history. Perhaps it's also meant to acknowledge Prince Philip as a Mountbatten and as the father of all the Queen's descendants?

As far as I know, there are no legal regulations regarding the composition of a double surname. Everyone can choose which name comes first, whether it's their birth name or their second husband's name. I'm also not sure if one establishes a priority by considering one name more important than the other.

Perhaps some people don't even think about it and simply choose what they feel is right at the time. This might be different if it is concerning royal names.
Prince Philip's line of descent from Queen Victoria (and the Battenbergs) is as follows:

Victoria of the United Kingdom → Alice, Grand Duchess Consort of Hesse and by Rhine (née Princess Alice of the United Kingdom) → Victoria Mountbatten, Marchioness of Milford Haven (née Princess Victoria of Hesse and by Rhine. later Princess Louis of Battenberg) —-> Princess Andrew of Greece and Denmark (née Princess Alice of Battenberg) → Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh ( Prince Philip of Greece and Denmark).
 
Many universities now have special departments dedicated to connecting entrepreneurs and startups with potential investors and/or international stakeholders. Andrew's role was presumably to bring companies, investors, and startups together on an international level. That's not inherently a bad thing.
Whether he received any financial compensation for his work is unknown. He surely received some form of payment for his efforts; as long as it wasn't slush-money it would even be ok.

Here's an article published by the "World Economic Forum" about how these things work nowadays,
Per the contracts potential start ups had to sign, Andrew received 2% of any funding the tech start up secured.
I assume Andrew’s company is being dissolved for a couple of reasons, first because the Dutch company considering buying it out - Start up Bootcamp - opted not to last spring, & second because it was allegedly the vehicle used in the Chinese spy scandal. Prince Andrew's Pitch@Palace branded 'crude attempt to enrich himself'
 
The name was Anglicised from Battenberg to Mountbatten in 1917. Philip's grandfather and uncles all took the name Mountbatten, as did his aunt Louise until her marriage to the King of Sweden.

Philip should really have had his father's surname, but, as we all know from the confusion with the current Greek royals, no-one's quite sure what it is! I suppose he'd have used Glucksburg, but that sounds even more Germanic, whereas Mountbatten was associated with his war hero uncle.
 
Philip should really have had his father's surname, but, as we all know from the confusion with the current Greek royals, no-one's quite sure what it is! I suppose he'd have used Glucksburg, but that sounds even more Germanic, whereas Mountbatten was associated with his war hero uncle.
I remember reading that it was considered using the anglicized version of Oldenburg> " Oldcastle" at one point, but of course they ended up choosing Mountbatten.
 
The courtiers probably didn't consider this because Andrew himself wanted his name without a hyphen. It likely occurred to some of them later that there had been a declaration by the late queen long ago, hence the change to which Andrew now has to abide. What an enormous fuss about a hyphen!

I have questions, if anyone knows please jump in. :unsure: I put numbers on them to separate the different issues

1. Was Andrew given a coat of arms at birth?
2. Or was he giving a replacement when he became the Duke of York?

3. What happens to that original coat of arms and/or the new one, if the York one replaced the first one from birth? I assume he got a princely coat of arms and a ducal one, right?

4. and, are the coat of arms tied to his birthright as son of the monarch or to his princely title?

Final one, and sorry that there are so many,

5. was Sarah given her own coat of arms upon marriage or upon becoming the wife of a duke?
6. Can she keep it or his situation invalidates hers, too?

And the most important one, if by birth he gets to keep the princely arms, will the hyphen symbol be added in on it? :rolleyes:
 
I think this is an answer to Question One. Andrew was probably granted a Coat of Arms as a baby, apparently based largely on that of his grandfather, later Duke of York then King George VI. This was first issued, I believe, by the College of Heralds in 1963.
More info below.


Below is also info on Sarah’s Coat of Arms, granted on her marriage to Andrew in 1986. It was apparently based on her father Ronald Ferguson’s Arms, which was itself based on the Clan Ferguson’s Arms in Scotland. There is also information on the later quartering with Andrew’s Arms later in the marriage. I’ve never heard that Sarah has used a Coat of Arms since divorcing in 1996. It would be a bit pointless anyway, imo.

 
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According to English heraldic law:

If Sarah's late father inherited a coat of arms, then Sarah (as his legitimate child) is likewise entitled to use the same arms, regardless of her marital status. However, divorcing Andrew ended her rights to Andrew's coat of arms.

Thus, Sarah's coat of arms (whether she chooses to use it or not) would be the same as her father's coat of arms, but with mandated gender differences: the crest or helmet (if any) removed, and displayed on an oval or lozenge (diamond) shape instead of a shield shape.
 
4. and, are the coat of arms tied to his birthright as son of the monarch or to his princely title?

The Royal Arms (the arms of the United Kingdom and of its monarch) are subject only to the will of the Sovereign (source). In practice, the royal family follows many of the same heraldic regulations which commoners are forced to obey – but ultimately, it is for the King or Queen to decide.

Traditionally, British monarchs’ legitimate children and legitimate male-line descendants are given the right to use the Royal Arms, but with small differences to distinguish them.

As @Curryong’s Wikipedia link explained, in Andrew’s case, the difference is “a label of three points Argent the central point charged with an Anchor Azure” (meaning a white strip with three dangling points and a blue anchor on the center one) hung across the shield.

Will King Charles decide that Andrew needs to be stripped of the right to use the (differenced) Royal Arms? We do not know, but my guess is “only if the media presses the issue”.


I have questions, if anyone knows please jump in. :unsure: I put numbers on them to separate the different issues

1. Was Andrew given a coat of arms at birth?
2. Or was he giving a replacement when he became the Duke of York?

3. What happens to that original coat of arms and/or the new one, if the York one replaced the first one from birth? I assume he got a princely coat of arms and a ducal one, right?

Traditionally, the mark of difference is not changed when a prince is granted a dukedom. However, they have been adjusted when a prince’s father became king or when a prince inherited his father’s dukedom.



And the most important one, if by birth he gets to keep the princely arms, will the hyphen symbol be added in on it? :rolleyes:

:lol:
 
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