Prince Andrew Relinquishes Use of Titles & Honours, 17 Oct 2025


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These actions had to be properly thought out and validated, it was never going to be completed quickly.
If Andrew had made the decision it might have been easier to action, as a voluntary move.
As for the Late Queen , we will never know what she knew, or what she was led to believe.
 
I’m putting the article here as it’s linked to Andrew’s problems.
They are now coming after Bea:

1. Princess Beatrice is a non-working royal independent adult woman.

2. She's entitled to be called princess for being the granddaughter of Queen EII. Exactly like Harry's children that acquired this title as soon as king Charles took over.
[...]. I see a double standard is now, at least in slow news week, stacking up against Beatrice and her sister.

3. She is a businesswoman that is in charge of her life and how to run whatever she is working for to support her family be as independent as possible.

I don't see anything wrong with her doing her doing this event. No different on any other business person that held a similar event in that venue a week before or a week after. What I see is what I predicted couple weeks ago, when there are no more news available on Andrew to fill the gossip on podcasts and yellow press, they will go after his children.

The media needs to have a sacrificial victim of sorts to fill empty commentary on TV until Andrew is seen at a local store buying moving boxes and tape.
 
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The commercial and charitable activities of adult members of the royal family are a legitimate topic of investigative reporting, but there does appear to be a layer of suspicion that is currently being applied to the York princesses which exceeds that applied to Peter Phillips, Zara Tindall, the Earl of Snowdon, Lady Sarah Chatto, or Prince Michael of Kent, who are all similarly non-working-royal adult grandchildren of a British monarch with their own private business and social commitments. (I am aware that some of the named grandchildren have received some scrutiny and criticism of their business activities, but I do not think those situations compare.)

And I am referring to mainstream news media: comments by the general public on social media go far beyond "suspicion".

Even from the BBC (November 1) – which rarely writes about junior royals:

“Beatrice was pictured at an investment summit in Saudi Arabia. Her family have long-held links to the Middle East and she also recently appeared in a promotional picture for a UAE bank.

Meanwhile, Eugenie was pictured in Paris with friends.

And while there has been some sympathy for the princesses, they also haven't been able to completely avoid the scandals around their parents.

Earlier this week, a picture resurfaced showing Epstein, Ghislaine Maxwell and Harvey Weinstein at Beatrice's 18th birthday party in Windsor.

The Telegraph also reported a leaked email from Epstein to his UK-based lawyer that suggested Ms Ferguson and the princesses visited Epstein in New York after he was released from prison in 2009.

A source close to Ms Ferguson insisted that neither she nor her daughters had any recollection of such a visit, according to the newspaper.

[...]

Both princesses also have their philanthropic endeavours. Eugenie set up the anti-slavery collective, a charity whose focus includes victims of sex trafficking. According to the most recently available accounts, it has raised £1.5m in donations last year but has so far distributed very little, with £1.3m carried forward.

BBC News approached the charity to ask for a comment in light of the latest controversy surrounding Andrew and Epstein, but it has not responded.”



Although this is pure speculation, it would not surprise me if the reason Princess Eugenie’s anti-slavery charity has distributed very little of the donations it raised in 2024 is that other actors in the anti-slavery field are afraid of the negative publicity if they were revealed to be funded by a charity run by someone whose family is notoriously associated with Jeffrey Epstein in the public mind.


I think it is valid to question the princesses’ judgment for (allegedly) accompanying their mother to visit Jeffrey Epstein in 2009, after his release from prison for soliciting a minor for prostitution, but even on Jeffrey Epstein’s own account, Sarah, Duchess of York, was the one who actively wanted to visit him, and her 19- and 20-year-old daughters were merely “in tow”.

“[Jeffrey Epstein] wrote to his British lawyer Paul Tweed saying: '[Fergie] took apartments in New York. She was the first to celebrate my release with her two daughters in tow. She visited me with [a] policeman sitting at my front desk. She has asked for help with her charities.'”


I do not think most adults, especially at age 19-20, apply the same level of diligence to vetting their parents’ friends whom their parents “tow” them to visit, compared to choosing their own friends.

The same could be said of Jeffrey Epstein, Ghislaine Maxwell and Harvey Weinstein’s presence at Princess Beatrice’s 18th birthday in 2006 – it was most likely the Duke of York who invited them (given that he hosted them at his home on that occasion).
 
To recap, this was from October 23:

First, the Speaker of the House of Commons clarified Parliament’s restrictions on criticizing members of the Royal Family:

“Mr Speaker

Before we come to questions, I know that there has been some commentary on what Members may or may not discuss in the Chamber in relation to Prince Andrew, some of which is inaccurate. There is understandably great interest in this matter, from Members and from the public. For the benefit of the House, I would like to be clear that there are ways for the House properly to consider this matter. Any reflections on the conduct of members of the royal family can properly be discussed on substantive motions. I know that some Members have already tabled such a motion. I am unable to allocate time for a debate on such a motion, but others are able to do so if they wish. The long-standing practice of the House, as set out in “Erskine May”, is that criticism of members of the royal family cannot be made as part of questions. I hope that clarification is helpful, as there has been a lot of online speculation.”



Erskine May states:

“As indicated at para 20.10, unless the discussion is based upon a substantive motion, drawn in proper terms, reflections must not be cast in debate upon the conduct of the Sovereign, the heir to the throne, or other members of the royal family.1”



There has been a peculiar update. The Times reports:

“However, as Andrew, 65 is now a commoner, he has lost his immunity to such scrutiny, according to parliamentary officials.”


Other papers have reported the same. Yet, as far as I see, there is no attributed source beyond the Times’ reference to unnamed “parliamentary officials”.


So, do these anonymous “parliamentary officials” actually have the authority to rule that Andrew Mountbatten Windsor has lost his “immunity”? (As the Speaker explained on October 23, it is not complete immunity: Members of the royal family can be discussed and criticized in Parliament if parliamentary time is allocated to a specific motion to discuss them.)

Personally, I can’t see how the loss of Andrew’s title would change the legal situation. Erskine May states that the restrictions on parliamentary discussion apply to “members of the royal family”, no mention of their needing to be titled.

Andrew remains on the Buckingham Palace list of “Members of the Royal Family”.


Hopefully, the Speaker of the House will clear things up when Parliament returns from recess on Wednesday.
 
An anonymously sourced Mail article by Barbara Davies claims that negotiations between Andrew Mountbatten Windsor and his nephew the Prince of Wales are still unfinished.

“‘There is the question of future-proofing any deal,’ explains the royal insider. ‘There is also the question of long-term funding and housing.

‘It is assumed that the King will make Andrew a generous allowance, something that may not continue under King William, so Andrew wants guarantees.’

[…] One of the key obstacles in settlement negotiations is said to be Andrew’s refusal to give up his murky business interests.

With the spotlight intensifying on the shamed former royal’s financial affairs, the Prince of Wales is said to be adamant that his disgraced uncle should step back from his money-making schemes as part of any deal.”



This “source” seems to give a different picture than the one who told Gordon Rayner of the Telegraph that

“[…] the whole arrangement had to be agreed by the Prince of Wales, who will have to provide for Andrew if he outlives the King.”



I suppose both could be true: Perhaps the Prince of Wales agreed to abide by the general arrangement but hasn’t yet agreed to specifics of funding and housing.



More from the Barbara Davies article in the Mail:

“He [Andrew] wants a cook, a housekeeper and a secretary-cum-butler, plus gardeners [...] He also wants the right to roam, rather than being confined to quarters.

[…] Meanwhile, Andrew is banned from riding in the grounds of Windsor Castle […]

[…] it is not even a given that Andrew’s next home will be in Sandringham, as has been widely reported. […] the choice among its 150 or so properties is limited. Wood Farm has been ruled out because of its links to the late Queen and Prince Philip, who spent his final years there. York Cottage, used to house staff in recent years, is seen as inappropriate because of its name.

Other homes which might have suited are, it is said, already tenanted. Evicting anyone to make way for disgraced Andrew could provoke a wave of public outrage and yet more unwanted publicity for the Royal Family on an issue the King wants more than anything to go away.

[…]

As for the couple’s numerous dogs, they will go with their ‘carer’ Fergie, as Andrew likes to refer to his ex-wife.”​


If these claims are true: Is it necessary to rule out York Cottage simply because of its name? Couldn’t they rename it if needed? And is it truly necessary to ban Andrew Mountbatten Windsor from outdoor exercise because of (I assume) the risk of paparazzi photos?
 
And I thought it was all settled for Andrew on the Sandringham estate.

York Cottage according to this article would have to undergo massive renovations, among other problems,
"In the intervening time, York Cottage has become the estate office, with part of the building divided off into holiday lets and accommodation for staff, meaning that the cottage will probably require extensive renovation before any disgraced former royals can move in."


Because it is called "York Cottage" should not be a reason not to move in.
There is the wonderful old city of York, the Yorkshire county, Yorkshire pudding, Yorkshire tea, the Yorkshire terrier (a dog race we have here often), I think of the Bronte Sisters and their novels and probably other things I don't know about.
If I think of York/Yorkshire I don't think of Andrew but of all the other things connected with "York".

It seems like Wood Farm is the only house on the estate which is not occupied by staff or administration.
Sometimes I think they are making it more complicated than necessary. He has to live somewhere.

Assuming the rumors are true and they don't sound improbable, the best solution would be to provide him with suitable accommodation and the necessary staff. Spoiled as he is, he probably doesn't even know how to boil an egg.
The King should only stipulate that he doesn't engage in dubious or illegal business dealings to supplement his pension, so that there aren't any more scandals.
It's unlikely that Andrew will withdraw in humility and modesty. He will be offended or angry and insist on certain privileges. Provided the demands are not unreasonable, the King should provide what is necessary to make peace.
 
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What is Beatrice supposed to have done wrong? It's hardly illegal to host a tea party. And lots of companies have one director and no other employees. They're set up like that because companies pay tax at a lower rate than individuals do: it's perfectly legal, and hundreds of thousands of people have companies like that. Why "contact her for comment"? What's she supposed to comment about.

I wish the media'd leave her alone.
 
Are Andrew and Sarah planning a big night in? Champagne delivery arrives at Windsor's Royal Lodge amid claims disgraced royal is 'ranting to himself' while ex-wife 'confides in staff at secret bar called The Doghouse'

Several boxes of Devaux Champagne were being unloaded from a Majestic Wines van outside the gates of the Grade II-listed mansion before being carried inside.

Despite living at the property for over two decades, Andrew and his ex-wife have been 'spending a lot of time alone', supposedly sleeping at opposite ends and only meeting for meal-times to chat with each other.
 
In several Andrew Lownie interviews … before Andrew was made a commoner … the author mentioned his next book was to be about Prince Philip.

But a report today has one of the people interviewing Mr Lownie saying that he told them he will now be working on a follow-up book to “Entitled” … to be called “Untitled”.

Mr Lownie says people at the Palace and in the Government are no longer fearful of speaking up.

The new book will be dealing with some of these seedier things … including the regular visits of sex-workers to Buckingham Palace with the knowledge of the Queen.
In my view, the fact that Lownie appears to be interested in uncovering and reporting on dirt (not necessarily illegal activities, but untoward behaviour), means that any credentials he had as an historian are long outdated. I've said before that Andrew makes a good whipping boy, first for other Epstein players, and now for the BRF in general. I don't know if Lownie is an anti-monarchist, but I am dead sure that unless he can claim to verify facts with a named source, consider the context in which information is reported, report at contrary opinions, and refrain from innuendo, he is a gossip writer, not an historian. Still, the media will eat it up, and it will be difficult for the BRF.
 
An anonymously sourced Mail article by Barbara Davies claims that negotiations between Andrew Mountbatten Windsor and his nephew the Prince of Wales are still unfinished.

“‘There is the question of future-proofing any deal,’ explains the royal insider. ‘There is also the question of long-term funding and housing.

‘It is assumed that the King will make Andrew a generous allowance, something that may not continue under King William, so Andrew wants guarantees.’

[…] One of the key obstacles in settlement negotiations is said to be Andrew’s refusal to give up his murky business interests.

With the spotlight intensifying on the shamed former royal’s financial affairs, the Prince of Wales is said to be adamant that his disgraced uncle should step back from his money-making schemes as part of any deal.”



This “source” seems to give a different picture than the one who told Gordon Rayner of the Telegraph that

“[…] the whole arrangement had to be agreed by the Prince of Wales, who will have to provide for Andrew if he outlives the King.”



I suppose both could be true: Perhaps the Prince of Wales agreed to abide by the general arrangement but hasn’t yet agreed to specifics of funding and housing.
It would be rather smart of Andrew to require a very clear and iron-clad agreement because unfortunately, his brother the king is rather untrustworthy to keep his word (as he has shown with Edward's Duke of Edinburgh title and his recent agreement with Andrew on keeping his title of prince being rescinded after only 2 weeks) and his nephew would most likely feel even less obliged to keep any previous arrangements made with his father.
 
In my view, the fact that Lownie appears to be interested in uncovering and reporting on dirt (not necessarily illegal activities, but untoward behaviour), means that any credentials he had as an historian are long outdated. I've said before that Andrew makes a good whipping boy, first for other Epstein players, and now for the BRF in general. I don't know if Lownie is an anti-monarchist, but I am dead sure that unless he can claim to verify facts with a named source, consider the context in which information is reported, report at contrary opinions, and refrain from innuendo, he is a gossip writer, not an historian. Still, the media will eat it up, and it will be difficult for the BRF.

I’m not worried about an author or a book myself caethi, there have been plenty of those and will continue to be so.

I am astounded though that the Royal Family itself has made Andrew a commoner.

I see this action … of a born Royal now being declared just another one amongst the rest of us …as having far more impact.

So much for being born into a special position that the general public … not just in Britain but throughout the Commonwealth … are to hold in high regard and to take notice of.

Their sayings and speeches and stances on things are meant to carry some weight.

Won’t people think … well who are you all, after all.

Why should we, the commoners, give consideration to your views, you’re only Royal until you’re not.
 
York house and an extensive renovation does not seem very logical after he is moving out of Royal Lodge. To many this will be hardly less extravagant so I imagine the outrage will continue if this news is true. I remember reading about it [in a biography of Queen Mary IIRC] and that it was not considered a great house at the time, many small and dark rooms.
 
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Question before I log off, is there any truth to the story he was offered to move to the Middle East? I'll be back tonight or tomorrow to check because I don't want to bother looking it up in the media. At times I can't never tell which news venues are making stuff up.
 
It is ridiculous. However it’s to be expected, I suppose. The Press and photographers will be nosying around until the New Year, when Royal Lodge is unoccupied and the last furniture van leaves.

I’ll be watching Curryong … if either Andrew Mountbatten Windsor or Sarah Ferguson is photographed driving out of Royal Lodge for the final time, that will be a pretty historic photo.

Having read the woman who lived there with Andrew for five years … undetected by the media … say there are other exits from the property, maybe we won’t see it.

I went on Google Earth and yes, it looks like there are other roads there that could be taken.

And I can see any removal vans being followed, and their future homes being revealed.
 
York house and an extensive renovation does not seem very logical after he is moving out of Royal Lodge. To many this will be hardly less extravagant so I imagine the outrage will continue if this news is true. I remember reading about it [in a biography of Queen Mary IIRC] and that it was not considered a great house at the time, many small and dark rooms.
"Until you have seen York Cottage you will never understand my father. It was & remains a glum little villa". Duke of Windsor

As reported by George v's official biographer Harold Nicolson.
 
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Question before I log off, is there any truth to the story he was offered to move to the Middle East? I'll be back tonight or tomorrow to check because I don't want to bother looking it up in the media. At times I can't never tell which news venues are making stuff up.
He has contacts in the middle east, travelled there a great deal over the years. So there is possibly some basis to the stories, but like you at times it is difficult to clear fact from fiction.
 
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Question before I log off, is there any truth to the story he was offered to move to the Middle East? I'll be back tonight or tomorrow to check because I don't want to bother looking it up in the media. At times I can't never tell which news venues are making stuff up.

It seems to me that the original story about Andrew being offered a fully staffed place if he wished to stay in Abu Dubai for a long visit by the ruler comes from Lownie’s book ‘Entitled’. Lownie reportedly bases this assertion on information from various sources, including former government officials and diplomats.

It’s been repeated since by multiple media outlets and appears to me to have been conflated since to the large 8 bedroom house (not a palace) being offered as a place of refuge in case he (Andrew MW) decides to leave England semi-permanently due to his situation.

Quite frankly, imo only, whatever he has been offered in Abu Dubai, I can’t see Andrew leaving England on a semi permanent basis to live in the Middle East or anywhere else, except possibly Switzerland, in the foreseeable future. He will accept some sort of property at Sandringham and lick his wounds there for several years, imo.
 
Numerous newspapers have reported on the offer of a palace from the ruling Al Nahyan family of Abu Dhabi, or, as is so often the case, one newspaper has simply copied from another. However, the offer is described quite in detail, and it is said to be an expression of gratitude because Andrew was a good business partner in the past. No specific person is named, only a "source."
But I too doubt that he will be moving to the Middle East, somewhere I read that the climate is too hot for him.

 
Numerous newspapers have reported on the offer of a palace from the ruling Al Nahyan family of Abu Dhabi, or, as is so often the case, one newspaper has simply copied from another. However, the offer is described quite in detail, and it is said to be an expression of gratitude because Andrew was a good business partner in the past. No specific person is named, only a "source."
But I too doubt that he will be moving to the Middle East, somewhere I read that the climate is too hot for him.

But he doesnt sweat... sorry I couldn't resist.
 
Numerous newspapers have reported on the offer of a palace from the ruling Al Nahyan family of Abu Dhabi, or, as is so often the case, one newspaper has simply copied from another. However, the offer is described quite in detail, and it is said to be an expression of gratitude because Andrew was a good business partner in the past. No specific person is named, only a "source."
But I too doubt that he will be moving to the Middle East, somewhere I read that the climate is too hot for him.

Well, it would certainly be uncomfortable for him temperature-wise when it comes to regulating his body temperature as he can't sweat!



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It's not typo, it's intentional.


"When asked about the lack of hyphen, a Buckingham Palace spokesperson confirmed: "Andrew Mountbatten Windsor was the name agreed."

An update from Kate Mansey of the Times:

“When Buckingham Palace announced that Andrew would no longer be known as a prince, it gave his new name as Andrew Mountbatten Windsor, with no hyphen in the double-barrelled surname.

It is understood that this was the name agreed with the former prince and the version Andrew preferred. Now, however, the Palace is considering introducing a hyphen in accordance with his late mother’s wishes.
[…]
It is understood that Buckingham Palace, which has now checked the privy council declaration made by the late Queen in 1960, may use a hyphen in future when referring to Andrew.



Pardon my queries.

1. Buckingham Palace “has now” checked Elizabeth II’s surname declaration? Did nobody think to check it before announcing the new name of the world’s most famous ex-prince?

2. Neither Charles nor Andrew, nor the “legal and constitutional experts” consulted by the King these past weeks, remembered how they spelled their surname the last 65 years (including Andrew on his marriage certificate)?

3. Buckingham Palace “may” use a hyphen in future? Is the final decision still awaiting the results of focus group testing or a Supreme Court ruling on this pivotal global issue?

4. No-hyphen is the “version Andrew prefers.” So never mind Andrew’s preferences from here on?


Anyway, here is the 1960 declaration by Queen Elizabeth II.

 
Thanks to everyone that replied on my question from yesterday on the news Andrew was moving to the Middle East. I think everyone agreed we can't trust the latest news until we actually hear that Andrew is forwarding his mail to Dubai 📨 :sneaky:

Ps. the comments on him and his claims about the problem on not sweating were funny!
 
The Times newspaper today suggests that Andrew is to be given a hypen for his surname!


Buckingham Palace says it is "considering" a hyphen. See here for extracts from the article and background information:

 
Sheesh can Buckingham Palace can be anymore sloppy?
It's not a good look at all. It makes the whole institution look like a laughing stock.
Here they have done what has never been done before- one would have thought that thorough research was done. Only to hear that they are now "considering" adding a hyphen ultimately changing Andrew's name again.

Come on....
 
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