Prince Andrew, Duke of York News and Events 9: Oct 2025 -

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News and Events, Part 9

Commencing October 1st, 2025

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[Tatiana Maria]

What can the King do about Prince Andrew scandals?

What sanctions could King Charles apply to Prince Andrew after the latest claims about links to Epstein?

www.bbc.com

This is an interesting paragraph from that article by Sean Coughlan, BBC's current royal reporter:

"Royal sources say that the King has tried many levers to apply pressure, like cutting off Andrew's funding last year.

But Prince Andrew seems to have cultivated his own independent sources of funding since leaving public life, including business connections with China, the Gulf States and a recently curtailed project with a Dutch start-up company. He has proved financially resilient, despite what must be significant costs in paying for his own security."​

Past media reports have consistently stated that the Duke of York's private sources of income are opaque (despite efforts by journalists to to investigate them: see Prince Andrew and His Alleged Relationship with a Chinese Agent).

So how does Mr. Coughlan all of a sudden know the details of the Duke’s “independent sources of funding”? Apparently, he was speaking to the King’s spokespersons, since the previous paragraph refers to “royal sources” who are defending King Charles III’s approach to Prince Andrew.

Given that King Charles III is now seemingly leaking information about Prince Andrew's business deals to the BBC, why not just publish them officially as a gesture of transparency?

The way this was phrased to the BBC also implies Prince Andrew acted on his own, but although I can’t find them at the moment, I recall previous leaks/briefings that Charles III had consented to the Duke of York earning income privately in order to meet the costs of Royal Lodge.

 

[Tatiana Maria]

Is there anything the government could do to monitor or curtail the Duke of York’s “own independent sources of funding since leaving public life, including business connections with China, the Gulf States” which he, allegedly, is using to fund his living expenses?

The privileges that the media and public have focused on – titles and decorations, lease on lavish mansion, perceived camera hungriness – are either symbolic or practically affect nobody outside the royal family.

But having a senior royal be dependent on foreign dictatorships for his lifestyle would seem to have the potential for serious and substantive negative consequences at the best of times, and much more so in the case of a royal with numerous documented lapses of ethics or judgment.

 

[hereditarytitles]

Unfortunately, I cannot judge how reliable this website is, and the article dates back to 2021
But it seems that it has been meticulously researched to reveal the deals that Andrew has made, in many cases with the approval of the British government, specifically the Foreign Office.

So there was a period in 2010/2011, and perhaps before that, when he used his connections with Arab states. This came to an abrupt end with the Epstein scandal.

However, it can be assumed that he can continue to use them without official permission from the British government.
If all this is made public, the Foreign Office may look a little bad. It would be understandable if they did not comment on it.

Prince Andrew helped deepen UK relations with Gulf regimes for eight years after Epstein scandal

The queen’s second son has held 70 meetings with repressive Middle East monarchies in the decade since the Arab Spring uprisings. Most meetings took place after Prince Andrew’s role as official trade envoy ended in 2011 amid the Epstein scandal, with UK diplomatic support for his Gulf trips...

www.declassifieduk.org

 

[Mirabel]

I don't see how Andrew can survive much longer - by which I mean that Charles is really going to have to 'bite the bullet' and do something... the King cannot be 'the royal ostrich' for ever!

Yes, but what?
I really don't see what else Charles can do; he can't lock Andrew up in the Tower.
All he can manage is to keep Andrew away from royal events as much as possible.

 

[EllieCat]

Mirabel: "Yes, but what?
"I really don't see what else Charles can do; he can't lock Andrew up in the Tower.
All he can manage is to keep Andrew away from royal events as much as possible."

Well, he could cause it so that the Royal Website makes it absolutely clear who the 'working Royals' are, and what they do; and then another section where the rest of the Royal Family can be, stating that they are private citizens who may, or may not, be called upon for the occasional Royal duty, but in the main have their own lives and careers different to the working Royals. Make it absolutely clear that Andrew (and H&M) are not in the Royal fold, but yet still in the Family, and therefore still on the website (with as little info as possible) but that they in no way represent the Crown, or the Government.

I understand that KCIII is limited by what he can and cannot do re titles and the line of succession, but this is one step that could be taken without too much repercussion for him; the 'non-Royals' still on the website, but totally clear who is and who does represent the Crown/Gov. only.

 

[An Ard Ri]

It remains to be seen what else will come out of the woodwork regarding the Duke of York!

 

[Elly C]

It’s such a delicate and difficult time for the King. I hope he is receiving plenty of good advice because we are talking about his brother here, so he’s bound to feel strong emotional ties. The Royal Family could easily be dragged down by the vileness of these latest headlines if they appear to do nothing in the way of response.

 

[Alison H]

What's anyone supposed to do? The Gulf regimes mentioned in the article are keen to boost their international profiles: we're constantly hearing about "sportwashing", for example, as well as meetings with royalty.

Far from deterring Andrew, the following year he attended a dinner with Oman’s monarchy at the Royal Officer Club in Muscat.

Neither the King nor the Prime Minister can dictate where and with whom Andrew does or does not have dinner. If Andrew had any decency, he'd have been keeping a lower profile. Unfortunately, he hasn't.

 

[An Ard Ri]

What's anyone supposed to do? The Gulf regimes mentioned in the article are keen to boost their international profiles: we're constantly hearing about "sportwashing", for example, as well as meetings with royalty.

Far from deterring Andrew, the following year he attended a dinner with Oman’s monarchy at the Royal Officer Club in Muscat.

Neither the King nor the Prime Minister can dictate where and with whom Andrew does or does not have dinner. If Andrew had any decency, he'd have been keeping a lower profile. Unfortunately, he hasn't.

Andrew it seems has no intention of stepping back from public view and continues to embarrass the king and Monarchy with his actions past and present.

 

[Roderick]

Yes, it is disgusting, but what do you mean he should have been "finished a long time ago"? Andrew IS finished permanently as far as representing the royal family is concerned. Stripping him further will not achieve anything, in my opinion. He is living quietly at Royal Lodge with Sarah Ferguson and as far as we know, both are paying rent and maintenance costs on the property, ie keeping to their lease. I don't understand all those who say he should be banished from his family if not the UK and even stopped from attending church. Convicted murderers released from prison are not prevented from doing that! Andrew's reputation is in the mud, he's virtually a prisoner in his own home and that is punishment enough in my opinion. Neither the UK nor the US could find anything illegal to charge him with, though of course I can never condone his awful behaviour.

 

[Roderick]

Andrew it seems has no intention of stepping back from public view and continues to embarrass the king and Monarchy with his actions past and present.

The only "public view" I am aware Andrew has made was at the recent funeral of the Duchess of Kent which he attended as a relative. I don't see how that was embarrassing?

 

[kbk]

Well, the PoW looked very embarrassed by being next to his uncle. In contrast to Andrew himself, who seemed to be extremely happy and joyful.

 

[An Ard Ri]

The only "public view" I am aware Andrew has made was at the recent funeral of the Duchess of Kent which he attended as a relative. I don't see how that was embarrassing?

Andrew is a complete embarrassment to the British RF full stop!
The continued revelations surrounding the duke and his ex wife are the issue that continues to be thorn in the kings side .
Andrew continues to show no signs of remorse or culpability and is more or less a persona non grata .

He had every right to attend the funeral of the late duchess of Kent (his cousins wife) but he could have entered via a side door and out of sight.
Instead he walked in with the rest of the Royal Family as if he has done nothing wrong.

 

[Diarist]

There is some argument that Andrew's royal titles and even his princely designation could simply be removed by the King as fount of all honours.

Otherwise the King should discuss the matter with the PM at the next weekly audience. The point is that Andrew's antics have ..and no doubt will continue to do so - as the Guardian prints more extracts from Ms Giuffree's book...

As for other moves that the King should take:

Remove Andrew's KG. And also stop Andrew attending the Garter lunch. I have been trying to obtain verification that he even wore his Garter robes to the lunch....

Stop him using the horses from the [Windsor Castle] Royal Mews when he wants to ride. Buy his own horses and stable them at Royal Lodge, which does boast stables..

Stop Andrew wearing his Household Division shirt when riding [and indeed anywhere else he might wear it] He has given up his military patronages. He is presumably still wearing his shirt to emphasise his 'royal' status'

Appoint an independent auditor to go through ALL Andrew's business transactions. Fergie's too, where they are 'connected' See where the 'dodgy 'dealings' have contributed to his wealth and make void all transactions financed by these 'dodgy dealings. The result of the audit can be kept confidential to the KIng [rather like the results of the inquiry into the alleged staff bullying allegations against Meghan.] It might make the King's task in removing Royal Lodge much easier....

Remove the titles from Beatrice and Eugenie, rather in the way the title of 'Princess Pat' was removed. She was blameless but went on to make an excellent marriage outside royal circles. She had an eminently respectable husband and still did 'good works' but her lack of a royal title eased her very successful transfer to private life.

Of course, I fear that Charles will do nothing...apart from a bit of 'handwringing'

 

[An Ard Ri]

It may be left to the next reign to do any removing regarding the Duke of York.

 

[Diarist]

It may be left to the next reign to do any removing regarding the Duke of York.

I fear you are right .... Poor William! Until then, I am afraid the monarchy's reputation will continue to take a battering....

 

[An Ard Ri]

I fear you are right .... Poor William! Until then, I am afraid the monarchy's reputation will continue to take a battering....

It remains to be seen what else may come out about A&S and their connections.

 

[Roderick]

Well, the PoW looked very embarrassed by being next to his uncle. In contrast to Andrew himself, who seemed to be extremely happy and joyful.

I didn't see that! I didn't see any "embarrassment" in William at all. Everybody sees different things I suppose. I don't see that Andrew did anything wrong at the funeral. Other people were smiling and talking animatedly also - but Andrew and Ferguson were the ones picked out.

 

[An Ard Ri]

I didn't see that! I didn't see any "embarrassment" in William at all. Everybody sees different things I suppose. I don't see that Andrew did anything wrong at the funeral. Other people were smiling and talking animatedly also - but Andrew and Ferguson were the ones picked out.

HIs odious presence was enough and then a week later look what came out about his ex wife.
Ofcourse he was going to attract attention in the mainline up and the level of public revulsion against him.

 

[Moonmaiden23]

There is some argument that Andrew's royal titles and even his princely designation could simply be removed by the King as fount of all honours.

Otherwise the King should discuss the matter with the PM at the next weekly audience. The point is that Andrew's antics have ..and no doubt will continue to do so - as the Guardian prints more extracts from Ms Giuffree's book...

As for other moves that the King should take:

Remove Andrew's KG. And also stop Andrew attending the Garter lunch. I have been trying to obtain verification that he even wore his Garter robes to the lunch....

Stop him using the horses from the [Windsor Castle] Royal Mews when he wants to ride. Buy his own horses and stable them at Royal Lodge, which does boast stables..

Stop Andrew wearing his Household Division shirt when riding [and indeed anywhere else he might wear it] He has given up his military patronages. He is presumably still wearing his shirt to emphasise his 'royal' status'

Appoint an independent auditor to go through ALL Andrew's business transactions. Fergie's too, where they are 'connected' See where the 'dodgy 'dealings' have contributed to his wealth and make void all transactions financed by these 'dodgy dealings. The result of the audit can be kept confidential to the KIng [rather like the results of the inquiry into the alleged staff bullying allegations against Meghan.] It might make the King's task in removing Royal Lodge much easier....

Remove the titles from Beatrice and Eugenie, rather in the way the title of 'Princess Pat' was removed. She was blameless but went on to make an excellent marriage outside royal circles. She had an eminently respectable husband and still did 'good works' but her lack of a royal title eased her very successful transfer to private life.

Of course, I fear that Charles will do nothing...apart from a bit of 'handwringing'

On what basis should Beatrice and Eugenie lose HRH? Would they have their titles stripped if their parents had sterling reputations?

Of course they would not. Which means that you recommend that they be punished solely for the sins of their father....something that I find not simply unjust but cruel and unsupportable.

 

[Ista]

Number of posts discussing the Duke of York's association with Jeffrey Epstein have been moved here:

The Prince Andrew and Jeffrey Epstein Controversy

Please confine discussions pertaining to the Epstein connection there.

 

[sophie25]

On what basis should Beatrice and Eugenie lose HRH? Would they have their titles stripped if their parents had sterling reputations?

Of course they would not. Which means that you recommend that they be punished solely for the sins of their father....something that I find not simply unjust but cruel and

I wouldn't take the HRH titles from them but I would suggest that they use the title Lady instead as Louise does, not because of Andrew but just to tidy the overall titles issue up.

 

[sophie25]

HIs odious presence was enough and then a week later look what came out about his ex wife.
Ofcourse he was going to attract attention in the mainline up and the level of public revulsion against him.

I don't like how when he does appear with the family he walks directly after the Wales' as though he still retains a higher rank than Edward etc. Technically in the line of succession he does but I think it's terrible optics. Charles has made everything about being a 'working royal' so he should use that to have Andrew come behind working royals when they are altogether. Then you can avoid things like him sidling up to William at the Duchess of Kent's funeral or actually leading the family on the walk to church at King Constantine's memorial at Windsor because more senior royals took a car. This would be a simple new rule to implement and would stop him and Fergie making themselves the centre of attention.

 

[Moonmaiden23]

I wouldn't take the HRH titles from them but I would suggest that they use the title Lady instead as Louise does, not because of Andrew but just to tidy the overall titles issue up.

Beatrice and Eugenie have been HRH Princesses since they were born over 35 years ago. What would be "tidied up" at this point?

Why stop at them? Why not remove HRH Prince/Princess from anyone who is not a direct descendant of King Charles since the end game is to supposedly "tidy up?"

The York princesses have lived their public lives in a manner that is beyond reproach. They are always on hand to assist Charles and William when called upon to do so, with Eugenie standing in for the Princess of Wales with the Crown Princess of Jordan just a couple of days ago.

Downgrading their titles after all these years accomplishes nothing imo except as a spite move against their father, which is probably precisely what it's meant to be anyway.

 

[Gawin]

Remove the titles from Beatrice and Eugenie, rather in the way the title of 'Princess Pat' was removed. She was blameless but went on to make an excellent marriage outside royal circles. She had an eminently respectable husband and still did 'good works' but her lack of a royal title eased her very successful transfer to private life.

But Princess Patricia wanted to relinquish her HRH and Princess title on her marriage. Beatrice and Eugenie didn't. See King George V's warrant granting Princess Patricia's request:

"That the Petitioner is desirous of relinquishing the style of Royal Highness and the title of Princess of Great Britain and Ireland, the Petitioner therefore most humbly prays Our Royal Licence and Autthority that she may immediately on and from the solemnization the said intended marriage relinquish the style of Royal Highness and the title of Princess of Great Britain and Ireland."

Royal Styles and Titles of Great Britain: Documents

 

[sophie25]

Beatrice and Eugenie have been HRH Princesses since they were born over 35 years ago. What would be "tidied up" at this point?

Why stop at them? Why not remove HRH Prince/Princess from anyone who is not a direct descendant of King Charles since the end game is to supposedly "tidy up?"

The York princesses have lived their public lives in a manner that is beyond reproach. They are always on hand to assist Charles and William when called upon to do so, with Eugenie standing in for the Princess of Wales with the Crown Princess of Jordan just a couple of days ago.

Downgrading their titles after all these years accomplishes nothing imo except as a spite move against their father, which is probably precisely what it's meant to be anyway.

Not a spiteful move from me, I've been saying it for years. It makes s absolutely no sense having Louise being Lady and them princesses.

 

[Moonmaiden23]

Edward's childten should have been Prince and Princess at birth. The fact that he and Sophie decided against letting them use their birthright titles doesn't mean the queen should have turned around and stripped Beatrice and Eugenie of theirs imo just because of his decision.

 

[Alison H]

Several of the papers are reporting that the King is "considering" removing Andrew's title of Duke of York. This has all happened in the last few hours. "A royal source" apparently told the Times about this. The Telegraph, though, is saying that Andrew will give up the title, which seems more likely to me: I can't see how he can be stripped of his title when he hasn't actually been convicted of anything.

ETA - the way it reads is that a Palace source has leaked this to the press in the hope of embarrassing Andrew into giving up his titles rather than being stripped of them.

 

[Gawin]

Several of the papers are reporting that the King is "considering" removing Andrew's title of Duke of York. This has all happened in the last few hours. "A royal source" apparently told the Times about this. The Telegraph, though, is saying that Andrew will give up the title, which seems more likely to me: I can't see how he can be stripped of his title when he hasn't actually been convicted of anything.Charles can't remove Andrew's peerage title. Only Parliament can. C

Charles can't remove peerage titles. Only Parliament can. But Charles can remove Andrew's HRH and Prince title.