It is a pity that the Duchess of Edinburgh couldn't attend Pope Leo XIV's inauguration.Not today, these photos are from the Inauguration Mass for Pope Francis in March 2013![]()
It is a pity that the Duchess of Edinburgh couldn't attend Pope Leo XIV's inauguration.Not today, these photos are from the Inauguration Mass for Pope Francis in March 2013![]()
She is a little like Mette-Marit, & goes with the policy curtsy to everyone even those she doesn't need to in. I remember seeing pictures I think in 2005 of M-M curtseying to Camilla (Still Duchess of Cornwall) and there was no need as they held equal rankFrom the videos that I saw the Princess of Monaco curtsied to almost all the royals attending the inauguration!
Was there any of the savoy princesses present?
Edward often does these events alone. Similarly when William attended the Pope's funeral in April he was alone. Victoria came without Daniel etcIt is a pity that the Duchess of Edinburgh couldn't attend Pope Leo XIV's inauguration.
Decades ago all ladies were required to wear a headscarf, hat or veil when they attended a Catholic Mass.Me too, she seems to be the only one
It's odd that Charlene did that. She's the wife of a Sovereign so it could be argued that she doesn't have to curtsey to anyone.From the videos that I saw the Princess of Monaco curtsied to almost all the royals attending the inauguration!
Was there any of the savoy princesses present?
I saw a pic of Grace curtsying to the Shah of Iran but I'd say she didn't have to either. I suppose a lot protocol is subjective and not set in stone. I saw Charlene curtsying to the Pope and I get that as he is the spiritual leader of her Church.Princess Grace also curtsied to other monarchs.
I thought Charlene no longer did, because I hadn't seen images but obviously she keeps the tradition.
Grace also curtsied to the Spanish King and Queens (Ena and Sofía) and I imagine to all others Kings and Queens. No one has to curtsey to anyone else, but it seems that in the Principality of Monaco they consider it protocol for the consort to curtsy/bow to foreign monarchs.I saw a pic of Grace curtsying to the Shah of Iran but I'd say she didn't have to either. I suppose a lot protocol is subjective and not set in stone. I saw Charlene curtsying to the Pope and I get that as he is the spiritual leader of her Church.
I think it could be that but then the Grimaldis are often placed in front of HRH's at royal events because Albert is a Sovereign. It's all a bit confusing.I presume it’s to do with the Grimaldis being Serene Highnesses, so lower in precedence than Majesties and Royal Highnesses. I like that someone is still observing the old protocol. I don’t care for the ”all heads of state are equal” interpretation although I know it’s a diplomatic reality.
I think it could be that but then the Grimaldis are often placed in front of HRH's at royal events because Albert is a Sovereign. It's all a bit confusing.
Thanks. As I said, I didn't see them in the live transmission.Albert and Charlene were in the front row - next to Henri & MT of Luxembourg, Alois & Sophie of Liechtenstein, Felipe & Letizia of Spain to name just a few.
It wasn't just a "part of the service", they didn't kneel during the whole service, like Henry and Maria Teresa.What part of the service was it when some of the Catholic monarchs (or their heir) and spouses (Albert, Charlene, Alois, Sophie, Philippe, Mathilde) kneeled while others remained standing (Henri, Maria Teresa, Felipe, Letizia)?
You won't see Felipe and Letizia kneeling in a mass. Felipe is the head of state of Spain, and Spain is "aconfesional", meaning we don't have an official religion as the State doesn't have one. All religions are respected but not singled out.What part of the service was it when some of the Catholic monarchs (or their heir) and spouses (Albert, Charlene, Alois, Sophie, Philippe, Mathilde) kneeled while others remained standing (Henri, Maria Teresa, Felipe, Letizia)?
I think Belgium also has no State religion but still Philippe was kneeling.It wasn't just a "part of the service", they didn't kneel during the whole service, like Henry and Maria Teresa.
Felipe and Letizia are soveraigns of Spain - an "acofensional" country meaning it doesn't have a State religion under the Consitution. Their religious feelings are private and respect all religions without making
You won't see Felipe and Letizia kneeling in a mass. Felipe is the head of state of Spain, and Spain is "aconfesional", meaning we don't have an official religion as the State doesn't have one. All religions are respected but not singled out.
Felipe is the highest person in the land as a guarantor of the Constitution, and as such, he (and Letizia) won't kneel in a catholic mass. Standing up, and bowing their heads to give respect to religious symbols, is what's institutionally expected of them.
I can't comment on Belgium's Constitution. I have no idea how it's redacted and how religion features in it. I also don't know if Phillipe had to swear it in ParliamentI think Belgium also has no State religion but still Philippe was kneeling.
It is hard to tell without context, but I would guess it is during the consecration of the bread and wine by the celebrant(s). It is customary for Catholics to kneel at that part of the Mass.What part of the service was it when some of the Catholic monarchs (or their heir) and spouses (Albert, Charlene, Alois, Sophie, Philippe, Mathilde) kneeled while others remained standing (Henri, Maria Teresa, Felipe, Letizia)?
Sorry, that's not true. Catholic mass has changed a lot over the years, and few people attending actually kneel these days. I can't comment on how Catholics in different countries observe parts of the liturgy but I can without a doubt say that your post does not reflect the reality of catholic mass in Spain today. Most people kneeling are the older generation, but the majority stand and bow their head.Catholics are supposed to kneel at certain parts of the liturgy. It dosnt matter if you are a King, head of state whatever, it's for everyone, and Felipe and his wife are Catholics so they should have done so.
So why did Felipe bow and kiss the hand of Leo XIV when received privately in audience with him? Why did QL exercise her Blanc Privilege instead of dressing like an "afoconfensional" civilian?It wasn't just a "part of the service", they didn't kneel during the whole service, like Henry and Maria Teresa.
Felipe and Letizia are soveraigns of Spain - an "acofensional" country meaning it doesn't have a State religion under the Consitution. Their religious feelings are private and respect all religions without making
You won't see Felipe and Letizia kneeling in a mass. Felipe is the head of state of Spain, and Spain is "aconfesional", meaning we don't have an official religion as the State doesn't have one. All religions are respected but not singled out.
Felipe is the highest person in the land as a guarantor of the Constitution, and as such, he (and Letizia) won't kneel in a catholic mass. Standing up, and bowing their heads to give respect to religious symbols, is what's institutionally expected of them.
I live in Scotland and every mass I have ever been to in different churches everyone kneels at certain points unless they are physically unable to. I've been to masses in other countries too ( not Spain though)and it was the same. Maybe it's a Spanish thing.Sorry, that's not true. Catholic mass has changed a lot over the years, and few people attending actually kneel these days. I can't comment on how Catholics in different countries observe parts of the liturgy but I can without a doubt say that your post does not reflect the reality of catholic mass in Spain today. Most people kneeling are the older generation, but the majority stand and bow their head.
Same as wearing a mantilla. It's protocol in the Vaticano events but you'll rarely see a Spaniard attending mass wearing one these days.
Felipe didn't kiss the Pope's hand. He and Letizia's bowed their heads over the ring as a sign of respect to the head of the Catholic church.So why did Felipe bow and kiss the hand of Leo XIV when received privately in audience with him? Why did QL exercise her Blanc Privilege instead of dressing like an "afoconfensional" civilian?
Why does the king continue to make the Sign of the Cross (he frequently does) if the Spanish Constitution seems to require him to behave as an atheist in public?
I am not asking to be disrespectful. I am simply confused. To be forbidden to kneel at the Consecration of the Host during Mass is a blatant denial of HM's basic civil/religious rights.
I would feel exactly the same if a non Catholic or an atheist was forced to behave like a believer in public.
Felipe didn't kiss the Pope's hand. He and Letizia's bowed their heads over the ring as a sign of respect to the head of the Catholic church.
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Kneeling is something that would create a lot of controversy in Spain because the action means obedience and institutionally he can't do that when the Constitution makes clear separation boundaries between the State and the church. [...]
I think Belgium also has no State religion but still Philippe was kneeling.
I can't comment on Belgium's Constitution. I have no idea how it's redacted and how religion features in it. I also don't know if Phillipe had to swear it in Parliament