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I agree with you An Ard Ri, it would seem no one can control him when he is outside of prison.
Yes, and *If* Marius gets away with these allegations that is bad news for The Royal Family.The fifth day of the trial has come to an end. Here, I share my personal impressions of the reporting in "Bild", which are, of course, only subjective. Today's focus is on the testimony of the woman who was allegedly raped by Marius during a trip to the Lofoten Islands.
Marius and his stepfather Haakon had taken this trip together because Haakon thought it would be good for Marius. That was in October 2023. The woman, now referred to as the “Lofoten woman,” had met Marius on a date on Tinder, and they met in Lofoten. Other friends were also there. At first, she didn't find him particularly attractive, but over the course of the evening she agreed to consensual sex. Drugs were also involved; Marius was determined to buy cocaine, but the “Lofoten woman” had nothing to do with it. She was asked how much she had drunk that evening and replied that she had drunk a lot at first, but had become more and more sober as the evening progressed.
She also apparently sent a text message to a friend saying that she was on a date with Marius and might now become a “C-list celebrity.” But she says that was meant as a joke.
She describes how they had sex several times, but then she became very tired and wanted to sleep. At some point, while she was in a deep sleep, she noticed that he wanted to continue having sex, but she did not ,she described it as painful. She did not know that he had filmed her; she only found out when the police told her. This upsets her greatly because she feels ashamed and abused.
Marius, on the other hand, presents the matter completely differently. Everything was consensual, and if not, he cannot remember because he was (as usual) under the influence of drugs.
His defense asks why the Lofoten woman did not go directly to the police if she felt she had been abused against her will. She replies that she had noticed, but did not dare to defend herself because she was afraid of an outburst of anger of Marius. And because of his fame, he was “more powerful” than her. She also says how angry and ashamed she was when she saw the photos of her naked in bed discovered by the police. She had not known or suspected that Marius was taking such photos of her while she was asleep.
Following the incident, the woman reportedly wrote a farewell letter to Hoiby. In it, she said goodbye to him without mentioning anything unpleasant or damaging. The woman did not report the incident herself but was contacted by the police during the course of their investigation.
I think it will actually be difficult to prove who is right. Marius excuses everything by saying that he was constantly under the influence of drugs and therefore cannot remember the details, or that he perceived things differently because of the drugs. That may well be the case. He may get away with it.
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Yes, and *If* Marius gets away with these allegations that is bad news for The Royal Family.
If Marius is found Guilty of The Rapes, that too is bad news for The Royal Family too.
Their will be PR harm and fallout EITHER WAY in The Court Of Public Opinion.
Especially as this is entwined with Mette and damaging Epstein revelations.
On a side note,that I find interesting Haakon takes troubled Marius with Him on this Trip to Lofoten Island, because *it would be good for him* ?
How ? Sounds like Marius was up to his old nefarious tricks. LOTS of Sex, Drugs and partying. Again, where was the part in this it "would be good" for Marius ?
That's a question I have have asked myself as well. Didn't Haakon, who has known Marius almost all his life, notice that Marius was under the influence of something. He knew Marius had problems with drugs and alcohol and he didn't notice anything? At all?I am shocked to read that Haakon was on that trip too ... so you go on a trip with your stepson and he is constantly on drugs and doing god knows what, you go on a trip to spend time together but obviously not? Did Haakon notice he was on drugs or is this the 'normal' life for them?
I am more and more thinking that Haakon is as bad as MM, an enabler for all this what happened, allowing a grown up to fool around, do drugs, no job but taking him on surfing trips... disgusting.
So Marius was 26 at the time. What could Haakon have done? Practical things. Taking into account the Norwegian culture.
Agree. In fact I will go as far as to say, Marius doesn't respect Haakon the least bit. He doesn't care about Haakon the man and he doesn't care about Haakon the Crown Prince. In fact I suspect Marius felt contempt for Haakon.Haakon is extremely naive where Marius is concerned. Obviously Marius managed to find drugs even on the remote Lofoten islands. And, of course, he found another female victim.
Taking him on nice trips is not going to improve Marius' bad and criminal behaviour. It's essentially a reward for terrible behaviour.
Haakon obviously wants to take care of Marius, but for a violent person like Marius, none of these kindnesses are going to improve anything. I'm sorry to say, but Marius probably thinks of Haakon as someone he can easily manipulate and who will always support him, no matter how many crimes he commits.
That is the thing…So Marius was 26 at the time. What could Haakon have done? Practical things. Taking into account the Norwegian culture.
Technical evidence in Norway weigh much heavier.I'm not sure that the testimony so far is in Marius' favor. With acquaintance rape, it is difficult to weigh the evidence. However, the Judges are seeing a clear pattern here so far: photos of women who claim they did not consent (and likely appear not awake, which is further evidence against consent), while Marius claims he doesn't remember, but he just knows it was consensual. But he does remember other parts of the evening, which do not impact the question of consent.
I do not know how evidence is weighed in Norway, but in other countries, the trier of fact (which can be a judge or jury) is allowed to use patterns of behavior as evidence in and of itself.
I'm not saying this matter is a slam dunk. But I don't think Marius' testimony is clearing him of these allegations.
So far, in both cases the women admitted that it initially was consensual. So, that might make things more complicated. However, him saying that this evening was not much different from other evenings, suggests that this was pretty normal behavior for him (a pattern is emerging - if that wasn't already clear).I think this is their parenting styles, rewards for "poor" Marius. Surfing trips, shopping sprees, skiing, and bars. In 2023, they must have known about his issues? He is 26 with no job, no direction... It just seems like they took the easier route, enabled and rewarded him. Where are the consequences, the hard stand, some sort of discipline while he lives rent free in your property and you give him spending money?
On to Marius, he is too drugged out to remember everything but he definitely remembers that everything was consensual from start to end.
I think you have hit the nail on the head and that CP Hakons best of intensions was seen by his wicked stepson as an act of weakness and more or less fuelled his dreadful behaviour and he more or less thought that he can do what he pleases!Haakon is extremely naive where Marius is concerned. Obviously Marius managed to find drugs even on the remote Lofoten islands. And, of course, he found another female victim.
Taking him on nice trips is not going to improve Marius' bad and criminal behaviour. It's essentially a reward for terrible behaviour.
Haakon obviously wants to take care of Marius, but for a violent person like Marius, none of these kindnesses are going to improve anything. I'm sorry to say, but Marius probably thinks of Haakon as someone he can easily manipulate and who will always support him, no matter how many crimes he commits.
Let's see: Marius was 26, but had no job and no independent income. He also lived in the Skaugum estate and got perks such as a diplomatic passport and state security. I think there are multiple ways he could have been effectively "told off", starting with threatening to or effectively revoking his privileges, or even cutting him off completely (like evicting him from Skaugum for example and stopping any allowance he was getting at that time from the family). Instead, he was rewarded, as other posters have said, with surfing trips and shopping sprees.That is the thing…
Marius was 26 wich is far above legal adulthood… Haakon could ofcourse have told him off and told him that he is forbidden to go outside…. Would Marius have listened to him and respected that ? I think we all know the answer to that…
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My impressions of today's court proceedings, based on the report in "Bild" newspaper.
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Both witnesses also report that Marius said he had broken up with his girlfriend, the woman from Frogner. However, text messages on his phone tell a different story where he writes that he misses her, that she's the best woman in the world, and that he's now going to sleep.
(my comment: Yet shortly afterward, he goes to the apartment with the woman from Lofoten to have sex with her. What a liar!)
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Marius Borg Høiby: Schockierende Vorwürfe im Prozess
Marius Borg Høiby steht wegen schwerer Vorwürfe auf den Lofoten vor Gericht.www.bild.de
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