it's perfectly normal that Haakon visited Marius in prison
I agree, with a slight twist. Haakon should not, and shouldn't be expected to, behave differently.In my opinion, the Crown Prince should not, and shouldn't be expected to, behave differently than would be appropriate for him to behave if, hypothetically, Prince Sverre Magnus were the one charged with raping and assaulting numerous women.
I think Prince Haakon considers Marius as if he were his own son. And Haakon also helped raise Marius.
Despite this, it's perfectly normal that Haakon visited Marius in prison.
And it's normal that Haakon cares about Marius and is supporting him during this difficult time.
Haakon is probably doing for Marius the same thing he would do for any of his biological children.
I don’t recall him actually saying he thinks Marius has been wrongly accused. Though he may think so. It wouldn’t be shocking, honestly. Or maybe he thinks he’s guilty of somethings and not others.I would expect the same thing if Marius was his biological child. It must be difficult to realize that your child is a criminal. The issue is that Haakon does not seem to want to realize it, and so, along with Mette-Marit (and Ingrid, who is probably influenced by her parents' viewpoint) just denies reality. They do not believe Marius is a criminal, simply because they don't want it to be so (or in Mette-Marit's case maybe also because she doesn't mind criminals).
Haakon takes care of Marius, because to him Marius is a victim. But Marius is not the victim. I think they are creating their own version of reality and it has clashed and will continue to clash with actual reality.
I would expect the same thing if Marius was his biological child. It must be difficult to realize that your child is a criminal. The issue is that Haakon does not seem to want to realize it, and so, along with Mette-Marit (and Ingrid, who is probably influenced by her parents' viewpoint) just denies reality. They do not believe Marius is a criminal, simply because they don't want it to be so (or in Mette-Marit's case maybe also because she doesn't mind criminals).
Haakon takes care of Marius, because to him Marius is a victim. But Marius is not the victim. I think they are creating their own version of reality and it has clashed and will continue to clash with actual reality.
I don't think many expects Haakon to cut off Marius - yet. That would be inhuman and as pointed out not what people would prefer to see in a role-model, which is essentially what Haakon is supposed to be.Agreed. My question is- would people prefer that Haakon act like Marius isn’t essentially his child? He raised him, for better or worse. Pretend he doesn’t exist? Don’t visit him? Don’t mention him- despite the very public trial? Is he supposed to adopt the attitude that he’s washed his hands of him?
Does that make him look like a good parent? Is that what people want in their future head of state?
These are just questions I have.
Agreed. My question is- would people prefer that Haakon act like Marius isn’t essentially his child? He raised him, for better or worse. Pretend he doesn’t exist? Don’t visit him? Don’t mention him- despite the very public trial? Is he supposed to adopt the attitude that he’s washed his hands of him?
Does that make him look like a good parent? Is that what people want in their future head of state?
These are just questions I have.
Agreed. My question is- would people prefer that Haakon act like Marius isn’t essentially his child? He raised him, for better or worse. Pretend he doesn’t exist? Don’t visit him? Don’t mention him- despite the very public trial? Is he supposed to adopt the attitude that he’s washed his hands of him?
Does that make him look like a good parent? Is that what people want in their future head of state?
These are just questions I have.
Erin, I will give you my thoughts on this....for what it's worth. I believe Haakon has not shown "balance" in regards to this deplorable situation the Family - Crown find themselves in.Agreed. My question is- would people prefer that Haakon act like Marius isn’t essentially his child? He raised him, for better or worse. Pretend he doesn’t exist? Don’t visit him? Don’t mention him- despite the very public trial? Is he supposed to adopt the attitude that he’s washed his hands of him?
Does that make him look like a good parent? Is that what people want in their future head of state?
These are just questions I have.
I don't think there is a general answer as different people would respond differently to the question. I do think, however, that there are certain clues we may get from the national culture in different countries.Agreed. My question is- would people prefer that Haakon act like Marius isn’t essentially his child? He raised him, for better or worse. Pretend he doesn’t exist? Don’t visit him? Don’t mention him- despite the very public trial? Is he supposed to adopt the attitude that he’s washed his hands of him?
Does that make him look like a good parent? Is that what people want in their future head of state?
These are just questions I have.
Thanks. I appreciate your thoughts.Spea
Erin, I will give you my thoughts on this....for what it's worth. I believe Haakon has not shown "balance" in regards to this deplorable situation the Family - Crown find themselves in.
Marius is being accused of being a violent rapist, threatens Victims with knives, destroys personal property, violating Restraining Orders and trafficking in Drugs. On top of having Substance Abuse issues himself. Marius IS a very troubled and dangerous Man. I think the future King is bending over backwards to *support* as Haakon says Marius.
I think, (again my opinion) he is overdoing this for someone simply not worthy. What about the Victims and THEIR Family's hurt and suffering ? Or ANYONE who has endured a violent rape, attack or threats of retribution from a Predator ?
I don't think there is a general answer as different people would respond differently to the question. I do think, however, that there are certain clues we may get from the national culture in different countries.
If a scandal like that happened for example in the United Kingdom, I would say that, yes, most people would probably expect Marius to be cut off (and, in fact, the government itself would probably demand it from the King). Moreover, if the King, or the heir apparent, were not willing to cut Marius off under those circumstances, they would probably be seen as unfit to serve as Head of State.
I think Haakon would be on shaky ground if he referred to “the victims.” Calling someone a “victim” confirms the idea that a crime has occurred. If Haakon used that language before the court reaches a verdict, it could be prejudicial.Erin, I will give you my thoughts on this....for what it's worth. I believe Haakon has not shown "balance" in regards to this deplorable situation the Family - Crown find themselves in.
Marius is being accused of being a violent rapist, threatens Victims with knives, destroys personal property, violating Restraining Orders and trafficking in Drugs. On top of having Substance Abuse issues himself. Marius IS a very troubled and dangerous Man. I think the future King is bending over backwards to *support* as Haakon says Marius.
I think, (again my opinion) he is overdoing this for someone simply not worthy. What about the Victims and THEIR Family's hurt and suffering ? Or ANYONE who has endured a violent rape, attack or threats of retribution from a Predator ?
If a scandal like that happened for example in the United Kingdom, I would say that, yes, most people would probably expect Marius to be cut off (and, in fact, the government itself would probably demand it from the King). Moreover, if the King, or the heir apparent, were not willing to cut Marius off under those circumstances, they would probably be seen as unfit to serve as Head of State.
If he were the King's legal and biological eldest son, he would hold a constitutional position of heir in his own right, so it would be a matter for the government and the Parliament. Given that the British government in the past compelled Edward VIII to abdicate, I think it would not be out of the question that the heir would be forced to renounce his succession rights, which would be later ratified by legislation. But we are dealing with hypothetical scenarios and going off-topic here.Do you think that would be still the case if this hypothetical British Marius were the King's legal and biological child?
No one said he needs to call them "victims". There are other words in Norwegian that can convey empathy without implying guilt for Marius. I'm sure he could find one and if it was so hard, the Palace people could help him.I think Haakon would be on shaky ground if he referred to “the victims.” Calling someone a “victim” confirms the idea that a crime has occurred. If Haakon used that language before the court reaches a verdict, it could be prejudicial.
That does not mean he lacks concern or empathy. It means he has to be careful about his language while the legal process is ongoing.
For me it sounds as tone-deaf as Andrew's interview where he justified meeting Epstein so he could end their friendship in person. Both might sounds noble in their mind; Andrew thought that ending friendship with a call/email would be callous, while it's for Haakon abandoning his adopted son for a mistake. Both had these justification in their mind (their extending grace to people who once close to them) without a thought of ehat other people would think of it.I'm simply flabbergasted by Haakon.
Supporting Marius comes first?
What or who is advising Haakon , yes he should support his 2 other children and his parents firstly.
MM has made her own bed and has now released a statement Haakon doesn't need to say anymore.
Haakon needs to cut his ties for now with Marius or he'll drag the Monarchy into further hot water with his statements and visits.
Is it just me thinking that he just can't seem to help himself?
So, she hasn’t left yet. Makes you wonder if she still intends to take a leave of absence somewhere else or came back on their earlier statement and decided to stay home but just not undertake any public engagements.Mette-Marit was also with Haakon visiting Marius last night
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Mamma besøkte Marius i fengsel
Kronprinsessen og kronprinsen gir Marius støtte i en vanskelig tid. Les om det historiske besøket i fengselet.www.seher.no
"Mom visited Marius in prison
On Thursday evening, Se og Hør revealed that Crown Prince Haakon visited Marius in Oslo prison. Now it turns out that his mother Mette-Marit was also there.
At 8:34 p.m. Thursday evening, a dark BMW with a ski box drove out of Oslo prison. The crown prince and his wife are in the back seat."
That was before everything that went down on Sunday. Clearly, Sunday's events threw whatever their plans were last week up in the air, and they had to adjust. IMO, whatever went down on Sunday likely included Marius threatening to kill himself. Being suicidal would explain why the CP couple & Ingrid were at a hospital, not a prison Monday. It explains why Mette-Marit canceled whatever travel plans she had, which I suspect were to travel to Australia with Ingrid and spend time with her.I understand them visiting him in prison but in their press release last week they tried to distance themselves by stressing that they wouldn’t attend trial and MM would stay elsewhere for at least the next few weeks. However, this week’s actions and Haakon’s recent statement don’t show distancing at all but being very involved, MM still nearby, and almost at Marius’ beck and call.
Good point. I assumed that it were the developments since last weekend that changed the plans although it might have been helpful if Haakon had mentioned that recent developments resulted in them changing their earlier plans. I was thinking of the Epstein files but indeed his arrest and subsequent imprisonment also changed a lot - and if there was indeed a suicide attempt/thread that moved things to a completely different level.That was before everything that went down on Sunday. Clearly, Sunday's events threw whatever their plans were last week up in the air, and they had to adjust. IMO, whatever went down on Sunday likely included Marius threatening to kill himself. Being suicidal would explain why the CP couple & Ingrid were at a hospital, not a prison Monday. It explains why Mette-Marit canceled whatever travel plans she had, which I suspect were to travel to Australia with Ingrid and spend time with her.
If Marius weren't being detained, Mette-Marit, Haakon, etc. would be able to check-in daily by phone to see how he's doing, and that may have been the original plan. However, that's not an option given that he's in custody.