Marius Borg Høiby News & Current Events Part 1: December 2023 -


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After this incident, do you think that any lady would want to marry Marius?
 
The NRF seem to be totally unaware (or don't care) about the image they show to the world. Standing by your family might be acceptable for a private family, but as a royal family you have to make sure you act in a way that is not damaging to the monarchy and the country as a whole. They represent not just themselves, but Norway at large! Frankly, I don't understand how the Norwegians put up with this charade.
 
Again Haakon's lack of good judgment in dealing with Marius is worrying.
Time and again it seems the sensitivity chip is missing.
For someone who is allegedly accused of such terrible crimes there has been ZERO effort or interest in repairing his image.
Haakon could've shown good leadership by bringing Marius along to volunteer at homeless shelter, soup kitchen, or anywhere else. Instead they're on a guy's trip to Portugal. Terrible judgment.
 
This is the 2:nd biggest nightmare for any parent (the only even worse thing is that your child dies)

The Portugal-holiday comes off as if the NRF are tonedeaf and living in an alternative universe…. But i honestly wonder what options they have… No matter how much they hate what he has likely done (and i’m sure they do) at the end of the day he is still their child, wether they want him to be or not….

Like my mother once told me during one of our many heated rows when i grew up ”i will never stop loving you even if you had killed someone. I would hate what you had done and i would probably never be able to look at you in the same way as before - but i would never ever stop loving you for the only reason that i am your mother”

Here i think LBJ’s words applies ”Better to have your enemies inside the tent pissing out, than outside the tent pissing in”

It is easy to say ”skip Haakon and let Ingrid Alexandra take the throne” but i wonder if that’s just not our wish for the world to be a morally perfect world where justice is brought fairly and quickly, where the good guys and girls always win and always has the last word, and where the bad guys and girls recives morally fair and quick punishments, and everyone is happy at the end of the day…. It’s just that the world we are living in isn’t like that and will never be
 
Haakon won't renounce his claim to the throne because of his stepson's actions. After all, Haakon hasn't done anything wrong, and they're probably trying as a family to deal with this situation as best they can, preferring to have Marius close to them and under some control rather than out there doing something crazy. Now, they shouldn't be traveling around the world with Marius, but rather be with him discreetly and without creating unnecessary controversy.
 
Alisa said:
Again Haakon's lack of good judgment in dealing with Marius is worrying.
Time and again it seems the sensitivity chip is missing.
For someone who is allegedly accused of such terrible crimes there has been ZERO effort or interest in repairing his image.
Haakon could've shown good leadership by bringing Marius along to volunteer at homeless shelter, soup kitchen, or anywhere else. Instead they're on a guy's trip to Portugal. Terrible judgment.
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Well, Marius would have to agree to do charitable things. Maybe he won’t. Or maybe he can’t fake interest/caring. He seems pretty messed up…to put it nicely. Putting on a fake show of contrition doesn’t seem like a good idea either imo.

I do agree taking him to Portugal is a bad look. If he needs minding, so to speak, both of his parents should be able to do that. (I know the CP is ill…..) It’s not a good look to take him on a vacation.

I do feel for the NRF. This is a terrible situation. He’s still family. But- things could be managed better. Not taking him on trips seems like a good start.
 
Hans-Rickard said:
This is the 2:nd biggest nightmare for any parent (the only even worse thing is that your child dies)

The Portugal-holiday comes off as if the NRF are tonedeaf and living in an alternative universe…. But i honestly wonder what options they have… No matter how much they hate what he has likely done (and i’m sure they do) at the end of the day he is still their child, wether they want him to be or not….

Like my mother once told me during one of our many heated rows when i grew up ”i will never stop loving you even if you had killed someone. I would hate what you had done and i would probably never be able to look at you in the same way as before - but i would never ever stop loving you for the only reason that i am your mother”

Here i think LBJ’s words applies ”Better to have your enemies inside the tent pissing out, than outside the tent pissing in”

It is easy to say ”skip Haakon and let Ingrid Alexandra take the throne” but i wonder if that’s just not our wish for the world to be a morally perfect world where justice is brought fairly and quickly, where the good guys and girls always win and always has the last word, and where the bad guys and girls recives morally fair and quick punishments, and everyone is happy at the end of the day…. It’s just that the world we are living in isn’t like that and will never be
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Thank you for your honest answers, and hats off to your mother's reaction.

It's like all problems in life: when you're personally affected, no matter how bad it is, you see things differently than people who only view them theoretically.
Our son was problematic at the age of 19, 20. He had his high school diploma but no ambition for anything else. We found out that he was taking drugs, maybe just marijuana. But things didn't get better and we didn't know what kind of people he was hanging out with. We always took care of him. Fortunately, it was “only” drugs and maybe dangerous people he was “friends” with. But we were very worried.

We also had the discussion you had with your mother about what would happen if the child did something worse, would you still stand by him? My husband said that no matter what he did, he would always love him.

I have to admit that it's different for me. If I found out that my son was abusing women in a perfidious way and beating them, my world would fall apart and I'm not sure if I would still have unconditional love for him.

But you can only judge that when you experience it firsthand. Fortunately, our son has recovered, and I think today that he might have slipped into bad situations if he hadn't had the “safe haven” of his family.
 
The real problem for the NRF is that Marius being a violent sexual predator raises doubts about his siblings. Have Ingrid and Magnus been exposed to the same dangerous friends? Do they think it's okay to treat their significant others the way Marius has? What has their exposure to drugs been?
 
meeralakshmi said:
Let the throne pass to Ingrid, the Norwegians don’t deserve an abuse apologist as their king.
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Here are some photos from a Spanish language news outlet. Use your browser to translate the text.
Marius Instagram was made private right after the scandal, I assume the picture shown on the article was obtained by someone within his group allowed in, that shared or distributed it off Instagram during the trip.

Hope Haakon had time, in between surfing and drinks, to have a man-to-man talk with this man-child, but I doubt it. By the look on that picture is all good times and entitlement as more accusations from women pile in.

Prince Haakon and Marius Borg, caught in Portugal: their controversial vacation without a trace of Princess Mette-Marit

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"...The getaway, which took place between July 22 and 27, took them from Oslo to Lisbon, with final destination in the Ribeira d'Ilhas area, recognized as one of the main enclaves for surfing in Europe. For five days, Haakon, Sverre Magnus and Marius shared activities on the beach.​
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According to exclusive images published by Se og Hør, the trip concluded with his return to Norway on Sunday, July 27. Neither Princess Mette-Marit nor Princess Ingrid Alexandra participated in the crossing; the princes' daughter was already in Australia to begin her university studies, while the whereabouts of Haakon's wife are unknown..."​
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Toledo said:
Here are some photos from a Spanish language news outlet. Use your browser to translate the text.
Marius Instagram was made private right after the scandal, I assume the picture shown on the article was obtained by someone within his group allowed in, that shared or distributed it off Instagram during the trip.

Hope Haakon had time, in between surfing and drinks, to have a man-to-man talk with this man-child, but I doubt it. By the look on that picture is all good times and entitlement as more accusations from women pile in.

Prince Haakon and Marius Borg, caught in Portugal: their controversial vacation without a trace of Princess Mette-Marit

Excerpt

"...The getaway, which took place between July 22 and 27, took them from Oslo to Lisbon, with final destination in the Ribeira d'Ilhas area, recognized as one of the main enclaves for surfing in Europe. For five days, Haakon, Sverre Magnus and Marius shared activities on the beach.​
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According to exclusive images published by Se og Hør, the trip concluded with his return to Norway on Sunday, July 27. Neither Princess Mette-Marit nor Princess Ingrid Alexandra participated in the crossing; the princes' daughter was already in Australia to begin her university studies, while the whereabouts of Haakon's wife are unknown..."​
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Marius's hair looks a lot longer in the photo with Haakon in the restaurant than it does in the photo where he's coming down the steps of the plane. I wonder if they're actually from the same trip.
 
Se og Hør writes today that Marius no longer has a diplomatic passport. The passport was apparently revoked six months ago. When Se og Hør this week asked communications advisor Mathias Rognved at the Ministry of Foreign Affairs whether Marius still has a diplomatic passport, the answer is clear:
- No.
The Palace also confirms that a completely new practice and new guidelines have been established in connection with the issuance of diplomatic passports for the royal family. This has been decided recently, according to communications manager Guri Varpe:
– We have reviewed the use of diplomatic passports in consultation with the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and have come to the following conclusion: Members of the Royal House, as well as Prince Sverre Magnus, Princess Märtha Louise and Princess Astrid hold diplomatic passports. Others in the royal family travel with regular passports after turning 18. This practice has been in effect for over six months.
www.seher.no

Slottet bekrefter: Fratatt passet

AVSLØRING: Som Mette-Marits sønn ble Marius Borg Høiby tildelt diplomatpass allerede i barndommen. Nå har han mistet det.
www.seher.no www.seher.no
 
royalwatcher96 said:
The NRF seem to be totally unaware (or don't care) about the image they show to the world. Standing by your family might be acceptable for a private family, but as a royal family you have to make sure you act in a way that is not damaging to the monarchy and the country as a whole. They represent not just themselves, but Norway at large! Frankly, I don't understand how the Norwegians put up with this charade.
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What do you want us Norwegian's to do? Demonstrate in front of the palace?
 
LadyFinn said:
Se og Hør writes today that Marius no longer has a diplomatic passport. The passport was apparently revoked six months ago. When Se og Hør this week asked communications advisor Mathias Rognved at the Ministry of Foreign Affairs whether Marius still has a diplomatic passport, the answer is clear:
- No.
The Palace also confirms that a completely new practice and new guidelines have been established in connection with the issuance of diplomatic passports for the royal family. This has been decided recently, according to communications manager Guri Varpe:
– We have reviewed the use of diplomatic passports in consultation with the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and have come to the following conclusion: Members of the Royal House, as well as Prince Sverre Magnus, Princess Märtha Louise and Princess Astrid hold diplomatic passports. Others in the royal family travel with regular passports after turning 18. This practice has been in effect for over six months.
www.seher.no

Slottet bekrefter: Fratatt passet

AVSLØRING: Som Mette-Marits sønn ble Marius Borg Høiby tildelt diplomatpass allerede i barndommen. Nå har han mistet det.
www.seher.no www.seher.no
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So, this might very well be an attempt to rein Marius in? I don't suppose the Norwegian government can confiscate the passport of a citizen who has not yet been sentenced. They can, to an extent, prevent him from leaving Norway, if there is a significant cause for that. So revoking his (and other extended NRF members) diplomatic passport is probably the best possible cause of action, as he is not in custody. - And sugarcoating the pill by not only revoking Marius diplomatic passport. I imagine that is a decision only the King (or a Regent) can make. And he seems to have a tendency to shy away from confrontations within the family.
Snowangel said:
What do you want us Norwegian's to do? Demonstrate in front of the palace?
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Actually that might not be a bad idea. I think the gravity of the situation hasn't quite dawned on the NRF.
I get the impression that they are in a state of "it'll work out in the end."
At least it might make them rethink their PR strategy.
 
I just think it's terrible that it once again needed to be sugarcoated. Reading between the lines, it sounds like (presumably) Maud and Leah have lost their diplomatic passports as well, just to once again sugarcoat things for Marius. Not that they technically need them, but to remove them because Marius is a criminal, yet absolutely must not be made to feel consequences for his actions... Because taking the passport from him alone would have been a direct consequence of his actions, now it's just a "new rule" for the family.
 
The problem seems to be Haakon and Mette consider Marius is still a misunderstood child that needs to be hugged and taken to trips when he's sad, and don't see him as what he is: an entitled predator using his position to, allegedly until the trial, abuse any array of women he encounters.

This happens so often with criminals and their parents, from drugs to domestic abuse, from acts of violence to really severe crimes where lives are lost. Parents that spent a lifetime ignoring the signs and don't do anything about it also ignore the victims.

Instead of taking him to surfing trips so he can be less sad, why not consult with both lawyers and a PR team to convince Marius acknowledge his actions, show a bit of remorse and accept the consequences of his actions as he apologizes to the victims?

That seems too much to ask, not from Marius but from Haakon and Mette, the two people that raised and tolerated his conduct toward women that now crossed the line into a criminal action.
 
– The work of prosecuting the case is ongoing and the goal is still to have the case completed by the middle of the month, says State Prosecutor Sturla Henriksbø to ABC News.
– Can we expect it to arrive this week?
“This one or the next one,” he says.
Henriksbo decides whether to bring charges against Høiby and, if so, for what.
www.abcnyheter.no

Høiby-avgjørelse kommer denne eller neste uke

Det opplyser statsadvokaten til ABC Nyheter.
www.abcnyheter.no www.abcnyheter.no
 
"State prosecutor Sturla Henriksbo decides whether to bring charges against Hoiby and, if so, for what"
This sentence surprises me. I thought the charges against him had long since been finalized. Perhaps it is a misunderstanding or a translation error.
 
hereditarytitles said:
"State prosecutor Sturla Henriksbo decides whether to bring charges against Hoiby and, if so, for what"
This sentence surprises me. I thought the charges against him had long since been finalized. Perhaps it is a misunderstanding or a translation error.
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No error. The State Prosecutor will have the final say and what charges will be brought against Marius.
I too thought it was clear, but perhaps it was a draft submitted for final approval?
 
Nora Haukland has been in new police interrogations. She tells today on Snapchat:
– I was questioned yesterday and today, and today I had my last interrogation. It's not just tiring because there's a lot to go through, it's tiring because you have to go into emotions, trauma and everything your brain has worked to repress.
When the police announced the final charges against Marius, it became clear that the criminal case in which Nora was insulted had been changed from abuse in close relationships to two cases of bodily harm and one case of malicious damage.
Nora's lawyer John Christian Elden:
– The interrogations are being conducted in connection with the assault charge at the request of the state prosecutor. We will not comment on the content until the indictment in the case is ready.
www.vg.no

Høiby-saken: Nora Haukland i nye avhør

I løpet av de to siste dagene har influenceren Nora Haukland vært i nye politiavhør.
www.vg.no www.vg.no

John Christian Elden to TV2:
– The state prosecutor had several questions before he decides on the charge of assault, and she is doing her duty and showing up. We will take the rest when the charge is ready.
www.tv2.no

Nora Haukland i nye avhør: - Slitsomt

Influenser Nora Haukland har vært i avhør de siste dagene.
www.tv2.no www.tv2.no
 
Most of us want Marius to face his charges in Court, the sooner, the better. But one thing I've learned from experience is that we need to be patient when charges of this calibre affecting people in a royal house, or very close to it, are a minefield for the police to navigate, Even worse, they need to conflate evidence and statements providing a brief to give a water tight case to the prosecution office to convict.

We all know the justice system doesn't work the same for everyone. If a person has the money and the connections to get the best lawyers to find loopholes in the system, they'll find them and get away with it. I've always believed Norway has a good independent police and judiciary - it may take longer for criminal charges against Marius to be brought up in Court, but they will.

What happens then depends on the proof the police has given to the State prosecution.
 
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Princess_Eleanor said:
I just think it's terrible that it once again needed to be sugarcoated. Reading between the lines, it sounds like (presumably) Maud and Leah have lost their diplomatic passports as well, just to once again sugarcoat things for Marius. Not that they technically need them, but to remove them because Marius is a criminal, yet absolutely must not be made to feel consequences for his actions... Because taking the passport from him alone would have been a direct consequence of his actions, now it's just a "new rule" for the family.
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However, Marius has not yet been convicted of a crime and therefore is legally presumed innocent. What (official) rationale could the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and Royal House have used to strip the diplomatic passport from Marius alone without removing Maud's and Leah's?
 
Tatiana Maria said:
However, Marius has not yet been convicted of a crime and therefore is legally presumed innocent. What (official) rationale could the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and Royal House have used to strip the diplomatic passport from Marius alone without removing Maud's and Leah's?
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It sounded to me like Marius's situation may have triggered them to take a look at all family members who have them and determine who actually needs them. It's not necessarily punitive.
 
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