Marius Borg Høiby News & Current Events Part 1: December 2023 -

[hereditarytitles]

I think the parents are or have been powerless. What can they do with an adult? Tie him to his bed, commit him to a rehab clinic against his will or put him in a psychiatric ward? The only thing they could do, but obviously haven't done so far, is not to give him any financial support.
Because then he wouldn't be able to travel to Copenhagen or party in expensive clubs in Oslo.
Either they haven't cut him off from financial support yet, or Marius has other sponsors or earns his money with businesses I don't even want to know about.

 

[Halise]

Well, the criticism of Haakon can be resumed, since his cancellation of subsequent events (and without prior notice) "due to his private matters" was of no use, and not to mention those photos of mother and son buying sheets.

 

[Somebody]

I think the parents are or have been powerless. What can they do with an adult? Tie him to his bed, commit him to a rehab clinic against his will or put him in a psychiatric ward? The only thing they could do, but obviously haven't done so far, is not to give him any financial support.
Because then he wouldn't be able to travel to Copenhagen or party in expensive clubs in Oslo.
Either they haven't cut him off from financial support yet, or Marius has other sponsors or earns his money with businesses I don't even want to know about.

Given that they most likely fund his lifestyle, unlike other oarents of adults in their late twenties, they have a lot more leverage to put certain limits. Unfortunately, so far they've been unsuccessful.

 

[tommy100]

Yes Haakon and MM seen to have a lot more room to impact Marius’ activities than most parents of adult children as Marius’ lifestyle and outgoings vs his kncome don’t marry up so its likely /certain they are funding him this they are in a position to say- follow our rules or go without income. No way Marius is laying to get to and from Denmark and stay in a luxury hotel on his mechanic’s salary

 

[Prinsara]

He might not receive directly from them but be a trust fund kid instead. It might be slightly harder to cut off income that way; I don’t know, though.

 

[LadyFinn]

Se og Hør writes about Marius in Copenhagen and Se og Hør has also contacted the Oslo Police District to find out whether Marius still has a diplomatic passport.
– We have no comments on this. You may wish to contact his defense attorney, responds Oslo Police District.

Slo ut håret i København

Da politiet ville snakke med Marius fikk de nei. Så forlot han landet og tok inn på luksushotell.

www.seher.no

 

[suztav]

Se og Hør writes about Marius in Copenhagen and Se og Hør has also contacted the Oslo Police District to find out whether Marius still has a diplomatic passport.
– We have no comments on this. You may wish to contact his defense attorney, responds Oslo Police District.

Slo ut håret i København

Da politiet ville snakke med Marius fikk de nei. Så forlot han landet og tok inn på luksushotell.

www.seher.no

JMHO -- I think he is a lost cause and, eventually, this will not end well.

 

[Hans-Rickard]

Haakon and Mette-Marit (who should have been allowed by her son to fully concentrate on her own illness) can say what they want… He will clearly not listen…

Marius is a lost case until 1. The magic stick does its work, or 2. He ends up in prison

 

[Prinsara]

There is something of a 3. All of Norway and Scandinavia and a good chunk of Europe and the rest of the world knows what he is now.

He’s not simply going to get to operate with the same anonymity and impunity he’s had up to this point, whatever happens.

 

[polyesco]

I hope his diplomatic passport has been taken away. That is one swift phone call from the King. Haakon won't do it but Harald can step in and say enough.

Also, Marius has declared that he gets spending money from his parents and his credit card bills are paid by his parents.
""Høiby says he received NOK 20,000 a month from his parents
Marius Borg Høiby (27) has told the police about how the crown prince couple help him financially....To avoid the bills going to debt collection, it is his mother and Crown Prince Haakon who arrange the bills, he explains. "

Høiby sier han fikk 20.000 kroner fra foreldrene i måneden

Marius Borg Høiby (27) har fortalt politiet om hvordan kronprinsparet hjelper ham økonomisk.

www.tv2.no

So if he is not listening and taking his rehab seriously, then I hope the spending money from the Crown Prince Couple is down to 0. And his credit cards can stopped being paid. Let him deal with the consequences like we all do.
He still has free housing on the Crown Prince Couple estate, food and water can be provided.
This may be harsh but he is a 28 year old man. His troubles have been going on for years. A strong wake up call is needed.

 

[Healthy Sceptic]

Honestly, I've lost all hope that Marius will face any consequences, from his relatives at least. Harald and Haakon have shown they won't take any action, they haven't up until now. I'd be willing to bet he still has a diplomatic passport and always will. I don't think anything he does will change that because of who his mother is. It's wrong, and it makes Harald and Haakon look weak as water, but they have circled the wagons around Marius and there is nothing that will change that.

 

[hereditarytitles]

I think Marius is a ticking time bomb. His parents have probably known this for a long time and all their attempts have failed. I don't want to imply that they, as royals, have any influence on Norwegian jurisprudence or the police. The laws there don't seem to be that strict.

I could imagine that they continue to support him with money because they fear that if they don't, he will end up in the gutter or slide completely into criminality. Then the scandal would be even bigger. I don't know whether that's the right method. I'm just trying to put myself in the shoes of the parents, who I'm sure are completely desperate.

 

[Healthy Sceptic]

Nothing I've seen makes me think they are completely desperate about the situation. I think they feel it's nobody's business but theirs and that they have to answer to no one. They feel entitled, just like Marius. So they will continue to support him because that is what they've always done and it's just easier that way rather than try to show any kind of guidance or discipline to poor, misunderstood Marius.

 

[Alisa]

Agreed. Marius has been able to thrive and enjoy his jet-set party lifestyle because he has been surrounded by enablers.
The King has always been weak when it comes to putting his foot down with family members (think Martha Louise). CP Haakon appears to be the same if not worse as he will always cower to Mette-Marit and do what she wants. They are weak.

There is a saying in leadership " what you permit, you promote".
By permitting Marius to live this heinous lifestyle of going around abusing women while being permitted to move freely around Skaugum and having his bills paid the CP couple. They are by default promoting his lifestyle and behavior.

Strong and sensible parents with emotional intelligence would have already instilled in their children that there are rules and consequences for actions-good or bad. The 2nd time Marius messed up- the CP should have cut off this grown adult man. Perhaps if they had treated him like an adult- held him accountable for his actions, and set up boundaries and restrictions..perhaps Marius would've never gone this far and would've straighted up and out.

 

[kalnel]

Reading the posts here, I keep hearing that people want Haakon, MM, and Harald to “do something.” But what?

Cut Marius off? That’s unlikely to accomplish anything other than pushing him further into the arms of criminals. Or, he could sell tell-all stories about them (including Ingrid and Harald). They’re wiser to keep him dependent on them for the time being.

Almost every option leads to conclusions like that. Plus, we don’t know what they’ve already tried.

There’s no good outcome here for Haakon and Mette-Marit. If he’s convicted, people will say they’ve raised a criminal sex predator. If he’s not convicted, people will say they used their power to get him off. Bad either way.

 

[Healthy Sceptic]

They should have already done something, it's too late for them to do anything now. But yes, cutting him off would be a good start. He's already fully in the arms of criminals and exhibiting abhorrent behavior, what do they have to lose by cutting him off? He'll tell stories? Who cares?

Haakon & Mette-Marit raised a criminal, there are no two ways around it. Yes, they will be blamed no matter what, as it should be. They are responsible for the upbringing of their children. They've gone on record making excuses for his behavior from an early age. I see no indication whatsoever that they've tried to guide him, just lots of excuses and manipulating of victims of his abuse.

 

[kalnel]

They should have already done something, it's too late for them to do anything now. But yes, cutting him off would be a good start. He's already fully in the arms of criminals and exhibiting abhorrent behavior, what do they have to lose by cutting him off? He'll tell stories? Who cares?

Haakon & Mette-Marit raised a criminal, there are no two ways around it. Yes, they will be blamed no matter what, as it should be. They are responsible for the upbringing of their children. They've gone on record making excuses for his behavior from an early age. I see no indication whatsoever that they've tried to guide him, just lots of excuses and manipulating of victims of his abuse.

What is your evidence that they ever "manipulated" Marius' alleged victims? I've seen nothing that suggests that.

Nor have I heard any excuses from Haakon and Mette-Marit about Marius.

As far as what they "should have done," since we don't know what they actually did, that's all speculative.

 

[Healthy Sceptic]

1) I didn't know I needed to provide evidence, but ok. Phone calls were made to at least one of the victims by MM which the victim was not, by their own accounts, comfortable with. There are more examples, but I really don't feel the need to go on.

2) MM's letter to the press declaring Marius as a private (very misunderstood) citizen was one giant excuse.

3) It doesn't matter what they actually did, it obviously didn't work. So it's perfectly legitimate to voice an opinion on what they should have done to make things turn out differently.

 

[Tatiana Maria]

1) I didn't know I needed to provide evidence, but ok.

Not yourself (or any other specific person) in particular, but there is a general forum rule that "Whenever possible, opinions should be based on factual information obtained from reputable sources and should be backed up by references to those sources."

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[Healthy Sceptic]

Not yourself (or any other specific person) in particular, but there is a general forum rule that "Whenever possible, opinions should be based on factual information obtained from reputable sources and should be backed up by references to those sources."

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Thank you. I was aware of the rule but in this case it has been reported so many times that I didn't think it was needed. How bulky to go back and resurrect the already-posted references. But, I will keep it in mind in the future.

 

[fabaunty]

What is your evidence that they ever "manipulated" Marius' alleged victims? I've seen nothing that suggests that.

Nor have I heard any excuses from Haakon and Mette-Marit about Marius.

As far as what they "should have done," since we don't know what they actually did, that's all speculative.

So you do not regard MM personally calling the " Frognor " victim, manipulating ?

So you do not regard MM personally calling the " Frognor " victim, manipulating ?

We " know" from their own testimony that they have in the past " supported " Marius in treatment programmes . We are faced , as far as I see with an insurmountable difficulty .
1 - marius simply does not care
2- his parents are committed to blaming anyone/ everyone/ press etc for MM's precious baby's problems , following in the King and Queen's footsteps with regard to ML . I can only hope that history will judge that Harald and Sonja, at least carried out their official duties well .

 

[kalnel]

So you do not regard MM personally calling the " Frognor " victim, manipulating ?

Maybe, but there's no evidence of that. No one has released the content of the call with the Frognor woman, so it's all speculation.

A few months ago, when it came out that Haakon didn't return a call from one of the victim's mothers, people accused him of sweeping things under the carpet. If they're blamed when they call someone and blamed when they don't, they don't have many options.

We " know" from their own testimony that they have in the past " supported " Marius in treatment programmes . We are faced , as far as I see with an insurmountable difficulty .
1 - marius simply does not care
2- his parents are committed to blaming anyone/ everyone/ press etc for MM's precious baby's problems , following in the King and Queen's footsteps with regard to ML . I can only hope that history will judge that Harald and Sonja, at least carried out their official duties well .

I haven't seen a single instance when Haakon or Mette-Marit has blamed anyone for Marius' problems. If you believe they have, can you provide a link to it or describe what/when they said something?

 

[Somebody]

In her letter when he turned 20, she blames almost everyone (parents, teachers, herself, and the press) for having unrealistic expectations and suggests that his youthful indiscretions are nothing to worry about as hers were much worse.

Crown Princess Mette-Marit Open Letter about Son

Crown Princess Mette-Marit of Norway wrote an open letter to the Norwegian Press on the occasion of her son’s, Marius Borg Høiby, 20th Birthday. It has been announced that Marius will move to…

royalwatcherblog.com

 

[Prinsara]

In her letter when he turned 20, she blames almost everyone (parents, teachers, herself, and the press) for having unrealistic expectations and suggests that his youthful indiscretions are nothing to worry about as hers were much worse.

Crown Princess Mette-Marit Open Letter about Son

Crown Princess Mette-Marit of Norway wrote an open letter to the Norwegian Press on the occasion of her son’s, Marius Borg Høiby, 20th Birthday. It has been announced that Marius will move to…

royalwatcherblog.com

That is not “blaming everyone else for Marius’s problems”, though. One interpretation of this rather deliberately-vague letter is that Marius’s issues have contributed to people (including, significantly, herself) having expectations of him that he simply couldn’t and can’t fulfill.

Whether that’s highly realistic and pragmatic or she is as soft on her precious maternal-guilt baby as ever, we don’t know yet.

And presumably, whatever Marius had done at that point was not as bad as her own party past, one hopes.

 

[Somebody]

Her own past was indeed extremely worrisome, which may have clouded her judgement in what is and is not acceptable behavior for teenagers and young adults. And I do understand that she feels protective of him for it were her decision that brought him into the spotlights but unfortunately the Norwegian royal family has shown that consequences for bad behavior are rarely a thing and they rather embrace their own and blame the press than take decisive actions.

 

[Prinsara]

Her own past was indeed extremely worrisome

Well, she’d used recreational drugs, slept around (including with dealers), and gotten pregnant outside a relationship. None of that is what any parent wants for offspring. But she also cried and made a great show of accepting and renouncing what she had done, so MM may be the family’s sole example of taking at least a bit of responsibility for something.

And except for the first part, none of it was criminal (and the charges there usually minor, when brought). What Marius is accused of now is heinous and orders worse than either of his biological parents, and must be a rampant nightmare for his mother who tried so hard to protect him. No matter how much she may have caused or enabled it on the way, she surely wanted it for no one, her beloved once-innocent son least of all.

 

[Somebody]

Both Marius’ father and grandfather are convicted felons, so while his mother might not be a criminal she was engaged with one and got pregnant from another one. At the time of Marius’ birth, his father was imprisoned for violent drugs-related crimes. I don’t know the exact charges nor convictions, so I don’t know how they compare to Marius’ deeds that are currently under investigation - but he clearly wasn’t an innocent sole.

 

[hereditarytitles]

Objectively speaking, every opinion on the subject of Marius and how his family deals with it is justified.
I emphasize it again: This only concerns the accusations leveled at his family, especially his mother and stepfather.

The only problem I have with this is that everything we know is not definitive evidence. It's a letter to the press 8 years ago, fragments of statements from an ex-girlfriend and her mother, or the incident on the boat where one girlfriend was hurt, which of course gives the impression that the family didn't care enough when the alarm was raised.
We saw that he continued to be supported financially, provided with everything he needed to live, whereas we expected he should be cut off from everything, being evicted from the house, forced to get treatment.

We may have expected the parents to go public and admit that they tried everything possible to put him straight, but unfortunately failed.
They should have admitted that Marius is unfortunately a brutal wife beater and criminal who can't control his impulses. They didn't do that. Do we blame them for that? I guess the majority does.
I imagine it's very difficult to go public with such painful things.

And so the impression has been created that the parents are to blame for everything. They made a monster out of him through their upbringing and cover-ups and by looking the other way.
It would be interesting to hear a psychologist's opinion on the dynamics in this family. Once again, we don't know how Mette and Haakon are doing emotionally, what they have been through.

I usually try to be cautious about making judgments about people I don't know personally and whose story I only know from press articles and what others have said. I don't succeed all the time, but I try.

This is not intended to justify the parents. I just wanted to encourage people to think about the fact that we don't know everything.
I have known cases where the family reacted in the generally expected and right way, but still failed. There has been a lot of research about criminal persons and what are the causes. There is growing evidence that antisocial/criminal behavior can have a genetic basis.

 

[LadyFinn]

Marius lost his appeal for a restraining order against the Frogner woman at the incident on August 4 last year. This is stated in a ruling from Borgarting Court of Appeal.
The restraining order will therefore last until June 2nd.
– The ruling is in line with the victim's wishes, and she is relieved, says lawyer Mette Yvonne Larsen.

Aftenposten: Marius Borg Høiby tapte anke om besøksforbud

TV 2 Nyheter Livestudio - Siste nytt i dag

www.tv2.no

 

[Muhler]

Breaking.

There is now a new victim of Marius. A lawyer has been appointed for a woman in her twenties.

There are no further details at present. (Check Norwegian news outlets.)