Marius Borg Høiby News & Current Events Part 1: December 2023 -

[LadyFinn]

VG about the Palm Sunday rape:
On the night of Palm Sunday March 24 Marius went to an after-party in central Oslo. There he met several acquaintances, but also a woman in her 20s whom he supposedly had not known before. Marius and the woman eventually moved on to another apartment, where they allegedly had voluntary sex.
Almost eight months later, the woman in her 20s was contacted by the police and asked to appear for questioning. There she was told that she had been insulted in an assault case – and that Marius had been charged in the case. According to the police, Marius allegedly assaulted the woman while she was sleeping.
VG is aware that the police have secured video material from that morning. Shortly after 8:00 a.m., Marius himself is said to have filmed the assault.

Opplysninger til VG: Høiby møtte fornærmet kvinne på nachspiel

Politiet mener Marius Borg Høiby (27) og kvinnen først hadde frivillig sex. Så skal han ha utsatt henne for et overgrep – mens hun sov.

www.vg.no

And TV 2 about the same case:
Police have video that they believe shows Marius raping a sleeping woman. Another video from the same night shows consensual sexual intercourse. This is confirmed by Marius defense attorney Øyvind Bratlien to TV 2:
– The videos show, when viewed in context and compared with other evidence, that nothing criminal has happened.
According to TV 2, Marius and the woman had been to an after-party in central Oslo when they went together to the woman's home. That's where the alleged rape occurred. Marius and the woman have both explained that they did not know each other previously.
– The victim herself has explained that she had voluntary sex with the accused before she fell asleep, says the woman's defense attorney Hege Salomon to TV 2.
Confronted with the video footage, the woman believes it is right that the case is investigated.
– The victim was filmed without her being aware of it, which is punishable, says lawyer Salomon.

Høibys forsvarer: Filmet frivillig sex før påstått voldtekt

Politiet har video som de mener viser at Marius Borg Høiby (27) voldtar en sovende kvinne. En annen video fra samme natt viser frivillig seksuell omgang.

www.tv2.no

Who could have believed six months ago that we are posting things like these and discussing about these here at a royal forum?

Se og Hør is still sure Marius violated the restraining order again:
Marius has broken the law again, as he has contacted one of the women he has a restraining order against (the Frogner woman). (..)
"No comment," writes Rune Alstadsæter at the Oslo Police District.

Fortsetter å ta kontakt

Marius Borg Høiby fortsetter å ta kontakt. Nå har han brutt besøksforbudet fire ganger. Slik svarer politiet.

www.seher.no

Marius' friend told on Sunday to Se og Hør about a close friendship that has lasted several years, and describes Marius as a friend he trusts. (..)

God venn reagerer

I over fire måneder har det stormet rundt Marius Borg Høiby. - Det har nærmest blitt heksejakt, sier vennen.

www.seher.no

Marius is accused of a series of violent and sexual crimes. and more charges may be added. About the Palm Sunday alleged rape, Marius is not served with suspicion of illegal filming, according to his lawyer. "The suspicions still apply to [rape editor's note], but it may happen that it changes to illegal filming," says Øyvind Bratlien in a text message to Expressen.
The Oslo police say that the criminal investigation in the case has not yet been completed. Unni T. Grøndal, press manager at the Oslo Police, says they will get back to what Marius could possibly be prosecuted for when the investigation is complete.

Oslopolisen: Marius kan misstänkas för fler brott

Marius Borg Høiby anklagas för en rad vålds- och sexualbrott – och fler åtalspunkter kan tillkomma. Enligt Oslopolisen är utredningen långt ifrån klar. – Vi får återkomma till vad Høiby kan åtalas för, säger Unni T. Grøndal, presschef på Oslopolisen.

www.expressen.se

 

[hereditarytitles]

Yes, it's unbelievable and the more details that come to light, the more horrified we all are. What I don't quite understand is the fact that the victim from Palm Sunday didn't realize that she was being raped and filmed in her sleep. That could only have happened if she was completely unconscious.
Marius is not only criminal and brutal but also perverted.

 

[Duke of Marmalade]

This is beyond disgusting if true.
So he rapes a sleeping woman and manages to film himself while doing it?
How sick can an individual be.

 

[suztav]

I am appalled that this situation can continue without him being thrown in jail and allowing him to sit there for a very, very long time. What is wrong with the Haakon and MM? They are not doing Marius any favors by allowing him to being coddled by the system because of their position.

 

[Hans-Rickard]

I’m afraid he will harm himself to the point that this is going to end in the most tragic way possible….

This man should be in a place where he doesn’t have the option to run, and doesn’t have the option to say no to treatment… The time for ”voluntarily” help should be in the past now…

 

[llj]

I am appalled that this situation can continue without him being thrown in jail and allowing him to sit there for a very, very long time. What is wrong with the Haakon and MM? They are not doing Marius any favors by allowing him to being coddled by the system because of their position.

I suppose at this point it is up to the police to involuntarily commit him to either jail or a drug treatment facility. MM and Haakon can't force the judicial system to keep him in custody, even if that's what they want.

I don't understand the decisions made by the police and judicial system since August. They have the power to keep Marius locked up for the safety of everyone and he keeps slipping through.

 

[Muhler]

I suppose at this point it is up to the police to involuntarily commit him to either jail or a drug treatment facility. MM and Haakon can't force the judicial system to keep him in custody, even if that's what they want.

I don't understand the decisions made by the police and judicial system since August. They have the power to keep Marius locked up for the safety of everyone and he keeps slipping through.

They can if he is psychotic and unable to look after himself or constitute a danger to himself or others. Or he suffers from other forms of mental illnesses. It requires a doctor to commit him to a mental institution against his will - and that's basically a rehab with the handles on the outside of the doors.
I'm a little surprised they haven't looked into that option.
Considering his otherwise irrational behavior, their connections and status, it shouldn't be that difficult to find a doctor willing to sign the form.

 

[caethi]

So what happens now?
Unless Marius is waltzing happily around in UK somewhere, we must assume he is back in Norway.
And what will the NRF do about it?

They should at the very least commit him, by force if need be, to a rehab in Norway. Where he will stay until he is reasonably clean. That surely must take several weeks. No coming home for Christmas or New Year. No visiting friends. And confiscate his phone. It shouldn't be too much of a problem, given the charges against him, to confiscate his passport temporarily as well.

But what will the NRF do?
My guess: Nothing. Marius will return to Skaugum and otherwise have a merry time in the Oslo nightlife - perhaps he'll find time to drug a woman or two before going to trial. To pass the time, I mean. He might got shopping with momma as well And perhaps throw a loud party at Skaugum as well. A little joyride could be fun as well.

Marius is literally thumbing his nose at both the CP-Couple, the police, his victims and the Norwegians. It is imperative that the NRF take decisive action!
Because if they don't do something drastic, now, it is the NRF that is thumbing their noses at the police, the victims and the Norwegians. And then they can expect more banners than the one displayed at the soccer match. And if they really wanna rub it in the NRF can publish a happy family photo and include Marius. - Unfortunately that would not surprise me the least bit by now.
So this next week will be crucial for the NRF. How will they handle Marius blatantly not giving a hoot about anything, not even himself.
Do something!!

Unless Norway is very different from most of the western world, families cannot "commit" an adult to any kind of institution. Only the judicial system has the power to detain someone for treatment against their will as part of a sentence for a crime. As far as I know, Marius has not yet been found guilty of a crime in a court of law. IF he is found to be suffering from a psychiatric disorder AND is a danger to himself or others, it may be possible (as it is in many countries) to have him committed to a psychiatric facility. Even then, the terms of the restriction on his liberty would be clearly set out by the law.

Maybe he is a psychopath. Maybe he has dual diagnoses of addiction and mental illness. Maybe he is just a garden variety criminal (although given what we know, it's probably not that simple). I think it is very likely that there are elements of all of these, and his family have tried and failed to guide him to treatment. That doesn't make them bad parents, and it doesn't make Marius a monster. There is so much that isn't known until he goes to court. Until then, I personally wouldn't hold the Crown Prince and Princess to a higher standard than most families who have an adult child in this situation. Maybe they have turned a blind eye, maybe not. What I do know is that many families in this situation have tried over and over again, and failed to have an impact on the adult child. Until we know more facts, I don't know why the NRF would be any different.

 

[hereditarytitles]

Unless Norway is very different from most of the western world, families cannot "commit" an adult to any kind of institution. Only the judicial system has the power to detain someone for treatment against their will as part of a sentence for a crime. As far as I know, Marius has not yet been found guilty of a crime in a court of law. IF he is found to be suffering from a psychiatric disorder AND is a danger to himself or others, it may be possible (as it is in many countries) to have him committed to a psychiatric facility. Even then, the terms of the restriction on his liberty would be clearly set out by the law.

Maybe he is a psychopath. Maybe he has dual diagnoses of addiction and mental illness. Maybe he is just a garden variety criminal (although given what we know, it's probably not that simple). I think it is very likely that there are elements of all of these, and his family have tried and failed to guide him to treatment. That doesn't make them bad parents, and it doesn't make Marius a monster. There is so much that isn't known until he goes to court. Until then, I personally wouldn't hold the Crown Prince and Princess to a higher standard than most families who have an adult child in this situation. Maybe they have turned a blind eye, maybe not. What I do know is that many families in this situation have tried over and over again, and failed to have an impact on the adult child. Until we know more facts, I don't know why the NRF would be any different.

Just read your comment while I was reflecting about what to write.
I agree to what you have written. Here is my experience and knowledge:

I don't know what the laws are like in Norway. In Germany, you can't commit someone of legal age to a psychiatric ward against their will. The person must either have attempted suicide or have seriously injured someone physically and it must be proven that it was not just a criminal act but an act that took place due to psychosis. The hurdles are high, in some cases fortunately in others not.

In Marius' case, there is a police investigation, but so far it has probably not been enough to commit him. There are often examples like this, and such people are usually only forcibly committed when the worst happens. This is very unfortunate, but unfortunately often the case. And afterwards everyone says, could it have been prevented?

A friend of mine went completely crazy a few years ago, she was mentally ill and went to the police with her persecution mania. They then alerted her daughter and she was immediately admitted to a psychiatric ward. So it worked very quickly, probably because the police were directly involved.

The friend spent 4 months in the closed clinic and was treated, with the result that nothing changed in her condition. The family broke up over it. As it stands, something worse will have to happen before he is committed. Sadly enough, all the proven abuse of women, rape of unconscious women, has not yet led to him being committed or charged.

 

[victor1319]

Until then, I personally wouldn't hold the Crown Prince and Princess to a higher standard than most families who have an adult child in this situation. Maybe they have turned a blind eye, maybe not. What I do know is that many families in this situation have tried over and over again, and failed to have an impact on the adult child. Until we know more facts, I don't know why the NRF would be any different.

I respect your opinion and I think it is quite common here in The Royal Forums - Royals need to be left alone to a certain degree.

But at least in my humble opnion there is a deal between the Royal Families and their subjects, which very often are taxed to uphold the Monarchy: The Royals act (theatre!) accordingly and the public cheers and applauds. That is for the good times...

Well... and in bad times the public - and it is quite understandable - the public has a right to know and a right to demand from it's Royals to cut anything away, that tarnishes the nice picture. The Monarchy is more worth of than individual members of the Royal Family.

Now, there are two points. First: Many Royals receive the tax money for historical rights, they have more or less voluntarily abandoned. But this is not the case in Norway - it is a very young Monarchy, going back to 1905. there are no historical rights.

And second: Because they are such a young Monarchy there in Norway, they might not feel the same way about Monarchy like for example the British Royals - I mean, look how they phased out Prince Andrew.

 

[Muhler]

Well, I believe the state/the system is able and capable of "doing things" especially if there is a general agreement that it's better for the country - and you can very well argue that!
So once Marius is high and erratic from cocaine or whatever, it shouldn't be difficult to consider that a psychotic episode and have the police help take him to an acute ward in a mental institution and once there it's pretty much up to the doctors to decide when he is "sane enough" to leave the secure section.
My point is that things can be "fixed".

No need to try and get a court order about having Marius declared unable to look after himself and have someone declared a guardian. That is indeed extremely difficult! He will merely be "undergoing treatment" until he is "sound."
After all, who is going to campaign for Marius? Bratlien? A lawyer. A layman against a doctor or even several doctors. Marius criminal friends? The public? Marius hasn't really got any friends.
There is actually only one who might oppose such a - admittedly desperate - course of action; MM.

And please don't dismiss this as fiction. We are in a situation where the monarchy itself is in potential danger and where the reputation of the NRF is very much damaged. Everybody and their grandmother are interested in serious damage control in regards to Marius, preferably yesterday. And everybody and their grandmother have an awful lot of power and influence.
No one want Marius to run around harming the monarchy and by extension Norway. Not even the republicans.
The NRF don't. The government don't. The opposition don't. The press don't. The public don't.

And who is going to launch an investigation in say a couple of years in regards to the exact circumstances about Marius being committed by force? The public? Nah. The politicians? Nah. The press? They want Marius out of the way as well. Too much of an embarrassment.
Like I've said before: No one would mind if Marius was banished to Svalbard for the next 30 years. Perhaps apart from the NRF - but they will have enough on their plate rebuilding their reputation for years to come.

 

[hereditarytitles]

As Victor mentions the BRF. There have been many serious problems in the British royal family in recent years, and they have reacted very sensitively and correctly IMO, I am still under the impression of reading the book by R. Hardman "New King, New Court".

Basically, all still existing Royals in Europe have a very privileged position and therefore have to be a role model, otherwise why are they still there? We no longer live in a feudal system.

A Federal President in Germany is elected every 5 years and represents his country in the world. If he or his family gets involved in scandals, he would have to step down.

The remaining royals in Europe have roughly the same function, they are supposed to be role models and represent their country in the world. That is their job and they get taxpayers' money for it. I cannot see any other royal family dealing in such a way with family members, who might be a bit difficult (after all, they are all humans) like the NRF has done.

They have to fulfill their obligations and, unlike all other royal representatives in Europe, this is unfortunately not the case in Norway.

 

[Prinsara]

And who is going to launch an investigation in say a couple of years in regards to the exact circumstances about Marius being committed by force? The public? Nah. The politicians? Nah. The press? They want Marius out of the way as well. Too much of an embarrassment.

I find it a bit disturbing that you're now talking about Marius having his own rights violated simply because he's an embarrassment.

If Marius doesn't need to be involuntarily hospitalized because he is not ill according to the guidelines, then there is no way he should be.

There's no such thing as "commitment by force" and anything you're bringing up (like conflating a substance abuse episode 'on purpose' with the kind of illness that makes him a danger to others. He doesn't need to have an active diagnosis; he seems to be a danger on his own...), like saying money will achieve it, would require very unethical doctors, and frankly again is about as bad as anything Marius gets up to alone.

There's a justice system in Norway he's already entangled with that had and has the responsibility of keeping Marius's fellow citizens safe. If it's not doing so and for some reason does not consider him an immediate threat, that's not the time to turn to more convoluted methods.

 

[Czenzi]

Just read your comment while I was reflecting about what to write.
I agree to what you have written. Here is my experience and knowledge:

I don't know what the laws are like in Norway. In Germany, you can't commit someone of legal age to a psychiatric ward against their will. The person must either have attempted suicide or have seriously injured someone physically and it must be proven that it was not just a criminal act but an act that took place due to psychosis. The hurdles are high, in some cases fortunately in others not.

In Marius' case, there is a police investigation, but so far it has probably not been enough to commit him. There are often examples like this, and such people are usually only forcibly committed when the worst happens. This is very unfortunate, but unfortunately often the case. And afterwards everyone says, could it have been prevented?

A friend of mine went completely crazy a few years ago, she was mentally ill and went to the police with her persecution mania. They then alerted her daughter and she was immediately admitted to a psychiatric ward. So it worked very quickly, probably because the police were directly involved.

The friend spent 4 months in the closed clinic and was treated, with the result that nothing changed in her condition. The family broke up over it. As it stands, something worse will have to happen before he is committed. Sadly enough, all the proven abuse of women, rape of unconscious women, has not yet led to him being committed or charged.

Hi, I'm new here. I'm jumping into the deep end apparently.

I come from a country where involuntary hospitalization (IH) is possible. It's always a difficult and controversial option. I want to start by saying that this is not what I think should be done or not done. I have no real context for what's happened in Marius' life beyond media and speculation. I'm only curious to what is possible given the laws and practices in Norway.

In the International Journal of Law and Psychiatry (IJLP) on Science Direct, I found the process. Basically a doctor (generally a GP) can request IH as long as they are outside of a hospital setting. The reasons must be that "1) there is evidence of a mental health disorder of specified severity 2) a serious likelihood exists that the person might do harm to him/herself or others, 3) substantial likelihood exists that serious deterioration might occur in the patient's condition if treatment is not given and 4) admission is for therapeutic purposes" according to the IJLP site.

The IJLP link also mentioned the 24-hour review is required for cases of IH and stated that conversion from VH to IH was made legal in 2007.

The University of Stavanger has a summary of three studies about IH and whether patients want to stay on after their 24-hour reevaluation. They found that 78% continued IH while basically the remainder converted to VH. However, over 69% said that they wanted treatment overall. Of those over 29% of IH patients said they needed hospitalization and over 96% who sought voluntary hospitalization (somewhat unsurprisingly) wanted admission (Stavanger).

Norway also has involuntary out-patient care. According to the American NIH, "A separate involuntary treatment order was made for 645 (45.6%) of the 1414 patients during their out-patient commitment episode, and the proportion varied by site from 19.3 to 77.5% (P < 0.001). Involuntary treatment orders were more prevalent in older patients: 51.4% of those 40 years or older versus 39.1% for those younger than 40 years (P<0.001), while there was no gender difference (P < 0.001)." This sample size was huge and all sampled were over 18 years of age. The same study stated that the basic requirements were the same as for IH. The mean duration of out-patient care was 727 days and the median was 354 days (NIH). They also discussed conversion from IH to out-patient care.

A running theme throughout is that involuntary care seems more common in Norway than many other countries. Again, I'm not at all saying that this is what should be done in this situation. I do not have the knowledge or expertise to make that call. Moreover, I think that decision is fraught in the best of circumstances, and I cannot imagine having to make it for the stepson of a crown prince . . . I just think it is interesting to see what different countries do.

On another note, I am very sorry about our friend and her family. Something similar happened with my cousin. While there were probably points in her later life where IH was possibly a viable option, the one time she was involuntarily "sectioned" was when she was fairly young, and it ended up creating a lot of distrust and only complicated things for her well into her later life. Ultimately, she still suffers relatively untreated and now no one around her is willing or able to revisit those types of options for her, regardless of her current issues. It is such a hard situation and an incredibly difficult thing to weigh.

U of Stavanger: Voluntary and involuntary hospitalizations in acute psychiatric wards in Norway | UiS Scholarly Publishing Services

IJLP: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0160252716303016

NIH: Out-patient commitment order use in Norway: incidence and prevalence rates, duration and use of mental health services from the Norwegian Outpatient Commitment Study - PMC

 

[Royalist.in.NC]

They can if he is psychotic and unable to look after himself or constitute a danger to himself or others. Or he suffers from other forms of mental illnesses. It requires a doctor to commit him to a mental institution against his will - and that's basically a rehab with the handles on the outside of the doors.
I'm a little surprised they haven't looked into that option.
Considering his otherwise irrational behavior, their connections and status, it shouldn't be that difficult to find a doctor willing to sign the form.

He seems to me to be a danger to others as well as himself. Family members could certainly report to a psychiatrist their concerns about Marius and ask if involuntary commitment would be in his best interests (not to mention others). In any kind of mental health assessment like this, professionals know what questions to ask the family (as well as the person of concern) to make their diagnosis.

With all we’ve learned I’m certainly not going to make an armchair “diagnosis” but my bet is something more serious than Major Depressive Disorder.

I agree that with their resources it shouldn’t be difficult to find a doctor to sign papers - but I don’t know how this sort of thing works in Norway.

Hi, I'm new here. I'm jumping into the deep end apparently.

I come from a country where involuntary hospitalization (IH) is possible. It's always a difficult and controversial option. I want to start by saying that this is not what I think should be done or not done. I have no real context for what's happened in Marius' life beyond media and speculation. I'm only curious to what is possible given the laws and practices in Norway.

In the International Journal of Law and Psychiatry (IJLP) on Science Direct, I found the process. Basically a doctor (generally a GP) can request IH as long as they are outside of a hospital setting. The reasons must be that "1) there is evidence of a mental health disorder of specified severity 2) a serious likelihood exists that the person might do harm to him/herself or others, 3) substantial likelihood exists that serious deterioration might occur in the patient's condition if treatment is not given and 4) admission is for therapeutic purposes" according to the IJLP site.

The IJLP link also mentioned the 24-hour review is required for cases of IH and stated that conversion from VH to IH was made legal in 2007.

The University of Stavanger has a summary of three studies about IH and whether patients want to stay on after their 24-hour reevaluation. They found that 78% continued IH while basically the remainder converted to VH. However, over 69% said that they wanted treatment overall. Of those over 29% of IH patients said they needed hospitalization and over 96% who sought voluntary hospitalization (somewhat unsurprisingly) wanted admission (Stavanger).

Norway also has involuntary out-patient care. According to the American NIH, "A separate involuntary treatment order was made for 645 (45.6%) of the 1414 patients during their out-patient commitment episode, and the proportion varied by site from 19.3 to 77.5% (P < 0.001). Involuntary treatment orders were more prevalent in older patients: 51.4% of those 40 years or older versus 39.1% for those younger than 40 years (P<0.001), while there was no gender difference (P < 0.001)." This sample size was huge and all sampled were over 18 years of age. The same study stated that the basic requirements were the same as for IH. The mean duration of out-patient care was 727 days and the median was 354 days (NIH). They also discussed conversion from IH to out-patient care.

A running theme throughout is that involuntary care seems more common in Norway than many other countries. Again, I'm not at all saying that this is what should be done in this situation. I do not have the knowledge or expertise to make that call. Moreover, I think that decision is fraught in the best of circumstances, and I cannot imagine having to make it for the stepson of a crown prince . . . I just think it is interesting to see what different countries do.

On another note, I am very sorry about our friend and her family. Something similar happened with my cousin. While there were probably points in her later life where IH was possibly a viable option, the one time she was involuntarily "sectioned" was when she was fairly young, and it ended up creating a lot of distrust and only complicated things for her well into her later life. Ultimately, she still suffers relatively untreated and now no one around her is willing or able to revisit those types of options for her, regardless of her current issues. It is such a hard situation and an incredibly difficult thing to weigh.

U of Stavanger: Voluntary and involuntary hospitalizations in acute psychiatric wards in Norway | UiS Scholarly Publishing Services

IJLP: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0160252716303016

NIH: Out-patient commitment order use in Norway: incidence and prevalence rates, duration and use of mental health services from the Norwegian Outpatient Commitment Study - PMC

Welcome, and thank you for all your research to share these sources!

 

[Muhler]

Short post.
The alternative to "violating" Marius rights is to wait for him to rape or harm someone else and then arrest him and keep him in jail, because I doubt he is going to stop now. He is getting too far out.

 

[Emmily]

Yes, it's unbelievable and the more details that come to light, the more horrified we all are. What I don't quite understand is the fact that the victim from Palm Sunday didn't realize that she was being raped and filmed in her sleep. That could only have happened if she was completely unconscious.
Marius is not only criminal and brutal but also perverted.

It's possible she was drugged.

 

[Duke of Marmalade]

It's possible she was drugged.

Either she was completely wasted from partying or deliberately drugged. Knockout drops come to my mind, very popular to put this into drinks and wait until there is a complete blackout so rape or robbery can take place. Very often victims have no idea what happened and only realize later on that there was a sexual assault (confirmed by a doctor).

 

[Prinsara]

Short post.
The alternative to "violating" Marius rights is to wait for him to rape or harm someone else and then arrest him and keep him in jail, because I doubt he is going to stop now. He is getting too far out.

Short post. Rights. Alleged criminals (and convicted ones, too) have them. No matter what kind of loathsome human beings they may be. That's how justice works.

The legal system in Norway is responsible for him. He also appears to be in rehab at the moment, so is under care and technically taking some responsibility.

Suggesting his allegedly criminal acts be met with blatantly-unethical or equally illegal ones in turn and blithely suggesting no one will care is not the solution, and it's not justice. It's vigilantism.

 

[Muhler]

A Norwegian paper has had access to a number of police files in connection with the investigation of Marius.

Politiet ringte Slottet etter medieoppslag om Marius Borg Høiby

I et hittil ukjent dokument kommer det frem at Oslo politidistrikt har hatt kontakt med hoffsjefen i forbindelse med etterforskningen av Marius Borg Høiby.

www.vg.no

As you may recall it was reported back in August that Mette Marit can been in contact with Marius then girlfriend after he was arrested.
These reports led to the police to contact the court on 13th August. The police would like to know what the court had told the press in order to get an idea of the background for Mette Marit contacting the victim of Marius. Because the court had not contacted and told the police anything.

On 16th August the police got a call from the Chief of Court, who is reported in the police files as having said: "He told without being asked that the reason that the court had officially confirmed this (to the press about the contact between MM and the victim) was that the press themselves had contacted the court. The press told that they had informations about the victim being in contact with the Crown Princess and the court found it dishonest to withhold that information."
The police file adds that there had been several contacts between MM and the victim and adds: "He (the Chief of Court) made it clear that the purpose of the contact was to show concern/care/sympathy by the Crown Princess."

The police has still not decided whether MM should be called in for questioning.

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So it was not just one phone call to the Frogner woman, but several.
As Marius was arrested on the 4th August and the news about MM contacting the victim broke some days later with the police finally making a call to the court, I find it reasonable to speculate that MM was in pretty much daily contact with the victim at least until the press wrote about it.
I also find it reasonable to speculate that MM would have continued contacting the victim had the press not written about it and we must assume the NRF layers had strongly advised her to break contact.
And while it may indeed have been a gesture of concern for the well being of the victim, these several phone calls can so very, very easy be interpreted as a deliberate attempt by MM to sugar the victim into not pressing charges against Marius.
It sure doesn't put the NRF in general and MM in particular in a better light.

Short post. Rights. Alleged criminals (and convicted ones, too) have them. No matter what kind of loathsome human beings they may be. That's how justice works.

The legal system in Norway is responsible for him. He also appears to be in rehab at the moment, so is under care and technically taking some responsibility.

Suggesting his allegedly criminal acts be met with blatantly-unethical or equally illegal ones in turn and blithely suggesting no one will care is not the solution, and it's not justice. It's vigilantism.

Yeah, that's all very correct and indeed very sound principles.
But what are you going to say if Marius rape or otherwise hurt one more?
What about that person's rights?

Your rights end at the point where you hurt other people.

What I suggested is indeed vigilantism. It's the old dilemma: You have the power to basically lock up someone who is a potential and real threat to others. If you do, you break or at least bend some basic principles.
If you don't and there are other victims, then you have to look the victims in the eyes and explain why you didn't lock him up.
- It's not black and white.
Sometimes sticking to principles means you end up with blood on your hands.

 

[polyesco]

A Norwegian paper has had access to a number of police files in connection with the investigation of Marius.

Politiet ringte Slottet etter medieoppslag om Marius Borg Høiby

I et hittil ukjent dokument kommer det frem at Oslo politidistrikt har hatt kontakt med hoffsjefen i forbindelse med etterforskningen av Marius Borg Høiby.

www.vg.no

As you may recall it was reported back in August that Mette Marit can been in contact with Marius then girlfriend after he was arrested.
These reports led to the police to contact the court on 13th August. The police would like to know what the court had told the press in order to get an idea of the background for Mette Marit contacting the victim of Marius. Because the court had not contacted and told the police anything.

On 16th August the police got a call from the Chief of Court, who is reported in the police files as having said: "He told without being asked that the reason that the court had officially confirmed this (to the press about the contact between MM and the victim) was that the press themselves had contacted the court. The press told that they had informations about the victim being in contact with the Crown Princess and the court found it dishonest to withhold that information."
The police file adds that there had been several contacts between MM and the victim and adds: "He (the Chief of Court) made it clear that the purpose of the contact was to show concern/care/sympathy by the Crown Princess."

The police has still not decided whether MM should be called in for questioning.

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So it was not just one phone call to the Frogner woman, but several.
As Marius was arrested on the 4th August and the news about MM contacting the victim broke some days later with the police finally making a call to the court, I find it reasonable to speculate that MM was in pretty much daily contact with the victim at least until the press wrote about it.
I also find it reasonable to speculate that MM would have continued contacting the victim had the press not written about it and we must assume the NRF layers had strongly advised her to break contact.
And while it may indeed have been a gesture of concern for the well being of the victim, these several phone calls can so very, very easy be interpreted as a deliberate attempt by MM to sugar the victim into not pressing charges against Marius.
It sure doesn't put the NRF in general and MM in particular in a better light.

For me it's clear that Mette-Marit was trying to push things under the rug as always for Marius. This and the sudden urge to clean his house.
Any other person would have been questioned by the police about these phone calls but not the Crown Princess.

 

[Kataryn]

Well, I believe the state/the system is able and capable of "doing things" especially if there is a general agreement that it's better for the country - and you can very well argue that!
So once Marius is high and erratic from cocaine or whatever, it shouldn't be difficult to consider that a psychotic episode and have the police help take him to an acute ward in a mental institution and once there it's pretty much up to the doctors to decide when he is "sane enough" to leave the secure section.
My point is that things can be "fixed".

No need to try and get a court order about having Marius declared unable to look after himself and have someone declared a guardian. That is indeed extremely difficult! He will merely be "undergoing treatment" until he is "sound."
After all, who is going to campaign for Marius? Bratlien? A lawyer. A layman against a doctor or even several doctors. Marius criminal friends? The public? Marius hasn't really got any friends.
There is actually only one who might oppose such a - admittedly desperate - course of action; MM.

And please don't dismiss this as fiction. We are in a situation where the monarchy itself is in potential danger and where the reputation of the NRF is very much damaged. Everybody and their grandmother are interested in serious damage control in regards to Marius, preferably yesterday. And everybody and their grandmother have an awful lot of power and influence.
No one want Marius to run around harming the monarchy and by extension Norway. Not even the republicans.
The NRF don't. The government don't. The opposition don't. The press don't. The public don't.

And who is going to launch an investigation in say a couple of years in regards to the exact circumstances about Marius being committed by force? The public? Nah. The politicians? Nah. The press? They want Marius out of the way as well. Too much of an embarrassment.
Like I've said before: No one would mind if Marius was banished to Svalbard for the next 30 years. Perhaps apart from the NRF - but they will have enough on their plate rebuilding their reputation for years to come.

Oh, Muhler, we are still relying on press articles. And few statements of the police and the Court.
The NRF has insider knowledge and is doing something (or nothing) behind the scene. My feeling tells me that they are doing something. If only to keep up with IA and SM who are young and may not being too realistic (yet?) about their family as a state Institution. This are the two people that should count here. They are the people related by blood to Marius and they need to understand and accept what is to be done about him. Only than Haakon can deal with it. And something seems to tell me that it is not yet clear what to do for the second-in-line who grew up loving big brother. Maybe she'll accept it and grow up over it and become a "ruthless" queen-to-be, following the rules realism dictates even if she has to give up a bit of her humanity. But maybe her parents are trying to find a solution behind the scene that not only help Marius, but their family as well.

I don't know. But I feel that is a position that has yet to find entry in this discussion.

 

[Muhler]

Oh, Muhler, we are still relying on press articles. And few statements of the police and the Court.
The NRF has insider knowledge and is doing something (or nothing) behind the scene. My feeling tells me that they are doing something. If only to keep up with IA and SM who are young and may not being too realistic (yet?) about their family as a state Institution. This are the two people that should count here. They are the people related by blood to Marius and they need to understand and accept what is to be done about him. Only than Haakon can deal with it. And something seems to tell me that it is not yet clear what to do for the second-in-line who grew up loving big brother. Maybe she'll accept it and grow up over it and become a "ruthless" queen-to-be, following the rules realism dictates even if she has to give up a bit of her humanity. But maybe her parents are trying to find a solution behind the scene that not only help Marius, but their family as well.

I don't know. But I feel that is a position that has yet to find entry in this discussion.

These past months I have often wondered how Ingrid must feel.
And to be honest I really have no clue.

Is she shocked?
Did she suspect something?
Did she know most of what has emerged?
Is she in denial?
Is she devastated?
Is she horrified?
Is she cutting Marius off or is she getting protective of him?
Does she feel betrayed?
I have no idea.

Because it was previously very obvious that Ingrid was very fond of Marius, she may have known about his flaws but was still fond of him.
But otherwise we really don't know anything about the dynamics with the CP-family. We don't know whether Ingrid is - shall we say - shying away from conflicts like her father or whether she is fiercely protective of her bonus-brother like her mother or whether she is furious of Marius.
Whatever Ingrid feel in regards to Marius, it's pretty crucial for the NRF. If she is very forgiving of Marius or even pro-Marius and it shows, it can be very damaging for the NRF. Because even though Marius is pretty self-destructive right now, there is however every reason to think he will be around for a long time yet. Well into Ingrid's reign.
It gets even more interesting considering that I can envision several scenarios where this mess can end up in Ingrid becoming monarch within a few years. They are admittedly worst-case scenarios but still so possible that I don't dare dismiss them as "most unlikely."
Also because no matter the outcome, Ingrid remains crucial for rebuilding the reputation of the NRF.

 

[Biri]

These past months I have often wondered how Ingrid must feel.
And to be honest I really have no clue.

Is she shocked?
Did she suspect something?
Did she know most of what has emerged?
Is she in denial?
Is she devastated?
Is she horrified?
Is she cutting Marius off or is she getting protective of him?
Does she feel betrayed?
I have no idea.

Because it was previously very obvious that Ingrid was very fond of Marius, she may have known about his flaws but was still fond of him.
But otherwise we really don't know anything about the dynamics with the CP-family. We don't know whether Ingrid is - shall we say - shying away from conflicts like her father or whether she is fiercely protective of her bonus-brother like her mother or whether she is furious of Marius.
Whatever Ingrid feel in regards to Marius, it's pretty crucial for the NRF. If she is very forgiving of Marius or even pro-Marius and it shows, it can be very damaging for the NRF. Because even though Marius is pretty self-destructive right now, there is however every reason to think he will be around for a long time yet. Well into Ingrid's reign.
It gets even more interesting considering that I can envision several scenarios where this mess can end up in Ingrid becoming monarch within a few years. They are admittedly worst-case scenarios but still so possible that I don't dare dismiss them as "most unlikely."
Also because no matter the outcome, Ingrid remains crucial for rebuilding the reputation of the NRF.

We may wonder also what Sverre must feel.

 

[kalnel]

These past months I have often wondered how Ingrid must feel.
And to be honest I really have no clue.

Is she shocked?
Did she suspect something?
Did she know most of what has emerged?
Is she in denial?
Is she devastated?
Is she horrified?
Is she cutting Marius off or is she getting protective of him?
Does she feel betrayed?
I have no idea.

Because it was previously very obvious that Ingrid was very fond of Marius, she may have known about his flaws but was still fond of him.
But otherwise we really don't know anything about the dynamics with the CP-family. We don't know whether Ingrid is - shall we say - shying away from conflicts like her father or whether she is fiercely protective of her bonus-brother like her mother or whether she is furious of Marius.
Whatever Ingrid feel in regards to Marius, it's pretty crucial for the NRF. If she is very forgiving of Marius or even pro-Marius and it shows, it can be very damaging for the NRF. Because even though Marius is pretty self-destructive right now, there is however every reason to think he will be around for a long time yet. Well into Ingrid's reign.
It gets even more interesting considering that I can envision several scenarios where this mess can end up in Ingrid becoming monarch within a few years. They are admittedly worst-case scenarios but still so possible that I don't dare dismiss them as "most unlikely."
Also because no matter the outcome, Ingrid remains crucial for rebuilding the reputation of the NRF.

I imagine Ingrid and the rest of the family view Marius as someone they love who is (and has been for some time) plagued with horrible illnesses and addictions. They may be horrified, angry, frustrated, and worried, but he's a brother and son, and nothing is going to change that.

Beyond that, we can't predict what the future holds. We seem to focus on worst-case scenarios, but for all we know, Marius could end up being Norway's greatest recovery success story, and he could be an asset to his family and society. It would take a lot of time and work, but it's not impossible -- people love a comeback story.

 

[hereditarytitles]

I imagine Ingrid and the rest of the family view Marius as someone they love who is (and has been for some time) plagued with horrible illnesses and addictions. They may be horrified, angry, frustrated, and worried, but he's a brother and son, and nothing is going to change that.

Beyond that, we can't predict what the future holds. We seem to focus on worst-case scenarios, but for all we know, Marius could end up being Norway's greatest recovery success story, and he could be an asset to his family and society. It would take a lot of time and work, but it's not impossible -- people love a comeback story.

If Marius would some day become a success story and an asset to his family, would be wonderful and great.
I sincerely wish for all involved that it would come to that.
Is that feasable? I habe my doubts.
(..)

 

[LadyFinn]

Dagbladet is informed from several sources, that Marius is being investigated for another sexual offense, also taken place in Skaugum.
When Marius was released from custody the police announced that he was under investigation for another sexual offense, which includes everything from sexually offensive behavior to rape.
The incident is said to have occurred in Skaugum earlier this year. (..)

Etterforskes for ny Skaugum-episode

Marius Borg Høiby (27) etterforskes for ytterligere et seksuallovbrudd. Politiet mistenker at også dette fant sted på kronprinsparets eiendom på Skaugum.

www.dagbladet.no

What next?

 

[crm2317]

I wish they would just charge him and get on with it now. It feels like this is a never ending story with tidbits of information being added every day.

 

[royalwatcher96]

I will admit that I'm starting to lose track of all the accusations at this point, which only goes to show the scale of the horror. It's just revolting.

 

[Adda]

Dagbladet is informed from several sources, that Marius is being investigated for another sexual offense, also taken place in Skaugum.
When Marius was released from custody the police announced that he was under investigation for another sexual offense, which includes everything from sexually offensive behavior to rape.
The incident is said to have occurred in Skaugum earlier this year. (…)

Etterforskes for ny Skaugum-episode

Marius Borg Høiby (27) etterforskes for ytterligere et seksuallovbrudd. Politiet mistenker at også dette fant sted på kronprinsparets eiendom på Skaugum.

www.dagbladet.no

What next?

(..)

I feel for Harald and Sonja, in the winter of their lives and after a whole life of service, this is what they're left with. My condolences also go to Ingrid and Magnus. No one else has my sympathy.