Marius Borg Høiby News & Current Events Part 1: December 2023 -


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One thing I have wondered about is what sentence the average offender receives? I, of course, have no idea about how Norway handles domestic violence cases, but it sometimes seems to me as though many such offenders are rather lightly sentenced in the US justice system.
Although things have improved, ‘wife-beating’, to use the vernacular, has historically been dismissed as not as serious as other person on person crimes. I would assume that Marius would receive similar punishment as that of others in his country, neither harsher nor more favorable.
 
Marius has arguably the best defense lawyer in Norway, I doubt seriously he sees any significant prison time. Not because the average person wouldn't be dealt with harshly in the same circumstances, though. I don't think there are many developed countries that don't take sexual assault and domestic violence seriously and punish it accordingly.

He'll get off with little to no consequences mostly because of who his step father is and the resources he brings. If not for Haakon he'd have been in a cell block a long time ago.
 
I wouldn't count prison time of more than a year out yet. Marius has obviously committed many, many offenses and as we previously saw, he will probably not stop now that he's out again.
Stories of oh didn't you know this was a drug addict, why did you go back to him etc? I would think those work better on a jury than a professional judge. Because if someone committed a crime against you, does it really matter before the law what you knew about this guy, whether you met this guy while out partying etc?
I know that won't necessarily happen, but Marius should be dealt with like any other serial rapist who goes out to bars or parties in order to drug and rape girls!

For the monarchy I think it will actually be more damaging if he does not get punished like other people would. I assume it would create a lot of anger towards the Royal Family and over time, this could very well be the end of them.
If people get the impression that they are above the law even where very serious & violent crimes are concerned, people might very well say, okay and next time you won't be, because we don't want you as our monarchs anymore.
 
is he out of jail now ? is he staying with his mom or dad ?
 
Se og Hør learns that the plans for rehab have not been buried. On the contrary, everything is in order for him to start treatment for his pronounced problems with drugs and years of mental illness.
Se og Hør asked the police the following questions about Marius:
Can he freely travel abroad while the investigation is ongoing? Has his passport been confiscated?
- There are no restrictions on him, confirms Unni T. Grøndal, press manager in the Oslo police district to Se og Hør.

Se og Hør's editor Ulf André Andersen pointed on Monday at Nettavisen's debate to an element of the Marius case that could be of great importance: there can only be two people who could have destroyed the SIM card.
- What is a bit dramatic about this case is that Crown Princess Mette-Marit is being drawn into the case with the mobile phone. There could be two people who have done it, Marius Borg Høiby and Crown Princess Mette-Marit.
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Nettavisen's columnist Jan Bøhler, former member of the Parliament for 16 years, who also was the deputy chairman of Storting's justice committee for two parliamentary terms and worked a lot with criminal gangs and child and youth crime, writes at his column among other things:
- The question is whether Marius will be able to break out of the criminal network, and that depends on how deeply involved he is.
- Marius' friendship and extensive contact with people in serious organized crime is a problem. Organized crime is today a greater threat to our country than terrorism, and we are devoting ever greater resources to combating it. At the same time, a member of the royal family has been holidaying and partying with key drug-criminal actors for a number of years.
- Marius lives in a world where he communicates with criminal circles in closed chat groups. It is the feedback from them that counts. There, violence, crime and conflict with the police have a high status.

The police warned Marius about his friends: The Marius' friends' drug network
Dagbladet can today say that two long-time friends of Marius have over time had contact with the ex-footballer charged with possession of 34 kilos cocaine - and the case complex the police believe he is part of.
Here is the timeline that follows Marius' friends' contact with the cocaine suspects.

Since the beginning of November, Dagbladet has tried to get an answer to whether the crown prince couple are willing to be questioned by the police in connection with the investigation of Marius. without getting an answer. The Palace has not responded to Dagbladet's repeated inquiries.

NRK has interviewed Marius' lawyer, who tells about his job, his background and about defending Marius.

- I would rather be called a defender, not a gangster lawyer.
The lawyer's phone rings: Marius would like to have Bratlien as his defender.
- I had no doubts when he called. I am almost never in doubt when people call and ask me for help.
Were you surprised when Høiby contacted you?
- Both yes and no. I think he has noticed what cases I have had and what I have achieved in the past. I defend Høiby, and I do so in the same way as I would defend anyone else.
Marius has admitted guilt for some of the cases he is charged with, but not the rapes. Bratlien says that he is 100 % prejudged. Bratlien gives everything for his clients, but there is a group of criminals he will never have anything to do with, he doesn't take cases against pedophiles.
 
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One thing that has struck me is how much the police have sought victims, rather than victims seeking justice. Other than the woman connected with the original arrest, whose friend apparently called the police, the others all turned up after hearing about Marius's arrest or after the police reached out to tell them they were assaulted.

This doesn't mean the events didn't happen, nor do I mean to imply anything negative about the alleged victims, but it makes me wonder if the charges will hold up. I don't know what is permissible in a Norwegian court, but if I were defending Marius, I would ask the women these questions:

"So, you had no idea you'd been assaulted until the police called you? No injuries? No bruises? Nothing that made you suspicious? Did you know he had recently been arrested for abusing his previous girlfriend when you went home with him?"

"You say you contacted the Crown Princess to express concerns about Marius's abusive behavior. Did you call the police? Did you tell your friends? Do you have any proof of his behavior?"

"Even though you knew he had a restraining order preventing him from contacting you, you reached out to him to borrow a car, then rode in the car with him. That doesn't sound like you have any concerns or fears about being with him. Are you still friends?"

"So, you claim that Marius is a drug abuser, which he admits. Did you know that going into the relationship? Do you take drugs? How reliable are your memories?"
Many victims of abuse don't bring charges for this very reason though. They won't be believed, particularly if the abuser is well known. And it appears he has been given a free pass many, many times. I understand why they wouldn't contact the police especially if they contacted MM. As a post above stated, Marius is a manipulator and he's done a good job of that on his victims. Just my opinion, of course.
 
I'm glad to hear from Haakon that rehab is still on the table. It will probably depend on Marius's court date as to when he will start rehab.

I like what Nettavisen's royal house expert Tove Taalesen had to say about the NRF. "I think the worst thing that can happen is that they continue to behave like a privileged family facing the rest of us. They must behave well and adapt to the times in which we live."
 
Many victims of abuse don't bring charges for this very reason though. They won't be believed, particularly if the abuser is well known. And it appears he has been given a free pass many, many times. I understand why they wouldn't contact the police especially if they contacted MM. As a post above stated, Marius is a manipulator and he's done a good job of that on his victims. Just my opinion, of course.
That may be exactly right, but the points I mentioned were things that strike me as flimsy in the sense that his defense team will be able to raise them and create doubt.
 
I'm glad to hear from Haakon that rehab is still on the table. It will probably depend on Marius's court date as to when he will start rehab.

I like what Nettavisen's royal house expert Tove Taalesen had to say about the NRF. "I think the worst thing that can happen is that they continue to behave like a privileged family facing the rest of us. They must behave well and adapt to the times in which we live."
Unfortunately I'd like to see that before I believe it.
The intention of sending Marius to rehab may be there and there is likely an general agreement within the NRF that it really, seriously, would be a good idea to send Marius to rehab!
But... I imagine that poor little Marius is traumatized from being in jail, so it should come as no surprise if hit treatment is postponed until next year, so that Marius can recover a bit in the comfort of his family. - After all, who's better at looking after him than his family, right?
Also, I don't think Marius is particularly interested in a rehab right now, I mean before Christmas and New Year, that would be depressing and probably counter-productive for his general well being and treatment.
In fact I can easily envision Marius celebrating his new status as a jailbird with his friends... I mean of course reflecting over his life with his close friends.

How about a bet? I say Marius is arrested once again before the end of this year.
If I lose I'll have an extra toast in your honor on New Years Eve. If you lose, you'll have an extra toast in my honor. Deal?

Seriously though: Marius volunteering to go away on rehab during one of the major party months of the year? And mother Mette Marit going through Christmas without her Marius? Yeah right! If you believe that then I've got a unicorn for sale.

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However, it is true that Marius needs to get well away from his criminal friends if there is any hope of him truly turning around. And away for a long time.
Preferably sending him to another continent where he can work himself clean.
Send him off to Svalbard for six months, there he can count seagulls and polar bears. I mean it. He may go stir crazy, but he could also find a new purpose in life and having nothing to do but think and admire the nature and having to rely on himself, because no one is wiping his nose of feeling sorry for him up there, he may even ending up liking it.
 
This whole saga has been a horrible thing to follow. By now we know that Marius is too far gone to be helped by any conventional means. No matter what else might or might not have happened in his victims' lives, nobody deserves any of the horror Marius has caused them. My sympathies are firmly for the women he has abused, and who for a long time, one way or another, were let down by people around them. Including the royal house, authorities and the media.

But the problem for the Norwegian monarchy is that this is not just about Marius. I guess I'm not the only one who sees a pattern here. Case Märtha Louise and her "shaman" is different from this in every respect but one. Both of these cases paint a picture of a royal house that doesn't take itself seriously, doesn't take its duties seriously, yet expects the general population to take them seriously. An equation like that can never work, and the attitude is pure poison for the institution's future. If, indeed, it has any.

Many here have written that MM perhaps blames herself and the complicated set up with Marius in an unequal role compared to his half-siblings for all the trouble Marius has had with the outside world (and with himself). It would be understandable of her to think like that, no matter how wrong we know her conclusions to be. And yet, I still can't understand it, how someone with such logic-defying, blind love for one child can neglect another child so completely. Mette Marit, by protecting Marius to this extent, has essentially thrown her own daughter under the bus. Ingrid Alexandra, as the future Queen, doesn't have the same luxury as Marius of choosing her own path in life. She must serve the institution of monarchy, she must be in the spotlight for all her life, and there really is no way she can opt out of it, no honourable way, anyway. And MM has made her daughter's plight massively more challenging than it was ever going to be. I don't just mean the reputational damage that Marius has brought to the family, but also the connections. This level of connections to the underworld poses a massive risk to IA. Not just for the monarchy, but also for her as a person, on many levels. Marius' friends just don't appear to be the kind of people who would leave royals alone.

When Haakon and Mette Marit married, I thought that this might one day trigger the end of the Norwegian Monarchy. I never agreed with the idea that Nordic monarchies were popular because they were down to earth. Instead, they have been popular because they have worked hard, and because they have given the appearance of being trustworthy and level-headed. Yet, truth to be told, I never expected to be proven right in such a horrible way. It's not just Marius' fault or Mette Marit's fault, but the sorry product of a family culture where they think being "down to earth" or "like all the other citizens" means taking nothing seriously, yet making use of their royal privilege without limit.

Both Märtha Louise and Haakon give me the impression of spoiled kids without any sense of proportion whatsoever. I don't know if Harald and Sonja can directly be blamed, not necessarily. The old King and Queen have done their very best for Norway and for the royal house, and though they would never say so openly, somehow I fear they watch their offspring with a sense of disappointment, worry and self-blame.

It's quite possible that after Harald's time, if not before, the support of monarchy collapses spectacularly in Norway. It won't be enough for a transformation into a republic, however. The monarchy thus enters a future in limbo, where politicians hope it's out of the way, yet do not have the energy or the guts to do away with it. Marius, as well as Märtha Louise, will continue to damage the institution with their antics. And yet for monarchists, this is really the best case scenario. Because at least, as long as the monarchy isn't abolished, there remains the chance that one day Ingrid Alexandra can turn things around and the past trouble can be forgotten. Haakon and Mette Marit already had their chance to do their thing for the monarchy, and they blew it. Sorry to be so blunt, but there is no way around it.
 
Send him off to Svalbard for six months, there he can count seagulls and polar bears. I mean it. He may go stir crazy, but he could also find a new purpose in life and having nothing to do but think and admire the nature and having to rely on himself, because no one is wiping his nose of feeling sorry for him up there, he may even ending up liking it.
Svalbard is an excellent plan! Although I wouldn't want to expose the pristine beauty and lovely few that live on the island. Just keep him away from Longyearbyn. I follow this amazing couple @CeciliaBlomdahl along with their Finnish lapphund Grim who live in Longyearbyn. Too bad Maurius couldn't have spent time working there on a fishing boat during his off months from school when he was 11 or 12. At 27 it's a bit late to reprogram but I suppose there still might be an ounce of hope. The people Marius has hung out with and the things he's done makes one cringe.☹️
 
Svalbard is an excellent plan! Although I wouldn't want to expose the pristine beauty and lovely few that live on the island. Just keep him away from Longyearbyn. I follow this amazing couple @CeciliaBlomdahl along with their Finnish lapphund Grim who live in Longyearbyn. Too bad Maurius couldn't have spent time working there on a fishing boat during his off months from school when he was 11 or 12. At 27 it's a bit late to reprogram but I suppose there still might be an ounce of hope. The people Marius has hung out with and the things he's done makes one cringe.☹️
I watch their YouTube channel, too. Really interesting. (Have you seen Cecilia Blomdahl's new book?)

If the reports about criminal associations are true, I wonder how safe Marius himself will be anywhere. Will his "friends" allow him to walk away?

He needs to be "detoxified" in so many ways -- drugs, abusive behavior, criminal associates. It's all difficult, and it will be impossible if he doesn't cooperate.

Marius also faces overcoming a tough genetic hand. His mother got caught up in a bad lifestyle as a young woman, and her ongoing judgment is questionable. His father is a convicted drug dealer. Mette-Marit's father was also convicted of violence, and, by her account, he was an alcoholic.
 
Svalbard is an excellent plan! Although I wouldn't want to expose the pristine beauty and lovely few that live on the island. Just keep him away from Longyearbyn. I follow this amazing couple @CeciliaBlomdahl along with their Finnish lapphund Grim who live in Longyearbyn. Too bad Maurius couldn't have spent time working there on a fishing boat during his off months from school when he was 11 or 12. At 27 it's a bit late to reprogram but I suppose there still might be an ounce of hope. The people Marius has hung out with and the things he's done makes one cringe.☹️
Thanks for mentioning Svalbard, Longyearbyn and Cecilia Blomdahl. It is such a pleasure to learn so many things thanks to this forum.
To be honest, I never heard of it. What is Svalbard? Thanks to the internet I found out that it is "Spitzbergen", which I have always known from early school teaching. I looked at Cecilia's Blog, very interesting and amazing pictures! I also learned a few other things about the area.

I think it wouldn't be a good place for Marius. Nobody would watch him, there are 12 hotels in Longyearbyn, the other little city is Barentsburg, where mostly Russian coal miners are living. After the Ukraine invasion you cannot even reach the place by airplane, just via ship. A horrible place, those Russian coalminers might only endure their life there with drinking lots of vodka and who knows what else? . I know, my imagination runs wild. No place for Marius to get started for a new healthy life.

It has been written before many times, a clinic with a detoxication program and psychiatric help, which is closed (doors shut, so you cannot get away) would be the best solution, preferably in another country.
 
Nettavisen's columnist Jan Bøhler, former member of the Parliament for 16 years, who also was the deputy chairman of Storting's justice committee for two parliamentary terms and worked a lot with criminal gangs and child and youth crime, writes at his column among other things:
- The question is whether Marius will be able to break out of the criminal network, and that depends on how deeply involved he is.
- Marius' friendship and extensive contact with people in serious organized crime is a problem. Organized crime is today a greater threat to our country than terrorism, and we are devoting ever greater resources to combating it. At the same time, a member of the royal family has been holidaying and partying with key drug-criminal actors for a number of years.
- Marius lives in a world where he communicates with criminal circles in closed chat groups. It is the feedback from them that counts. There, violence, crime and conflict with the police have a high status.
This contact Marius has in closed chat groups with criminals is, I hope, a huge red flag to those in charge of security for the NRF. We know that some of these criminals have been in the private home of Haakon and MM. Was their home swept for listening devices? What are some ways in which Marius could be blackmailed? Is there any fear of kidnapping (such as the concern about Amalia)?
I had wondered if the police would try to make a deal with Marius - lesser charges for access to the bigger fish. However, it sounds as if he’s in so deep that even if he was willing to throw his friends under the bus (like he did his own mother), he would then have to be very concerned about his own safety. So I don’t see that happening. (Marius in a form of witness protection ?— nah!). And I’m not sure he would even want to try to break out of the criminal network.

Surely the security surrounding the NRF has been aware of Marius being deep in these criminal circles? Thus, Haakon and MM must have been aware as well for quite some time.

IMHO he needs to be in a closed inpatient detox facility in another country - with no way of communicating except through staff. And after the trial, he will hopefully be incarcerated either concurrently or after detox. But I’m really not sure he wants to change - this has been his adult life so far.
 
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This whole saga has been a horrible thing to follow. By now we know that Marius is too far gone to be helped by any conventional means. No matter what else might or might not have happened in his victims' lives, nobody deserves any of the horror Marius has caused them. My sympathies are firmly for the women he has abused, and who for a long time, one way or another, were let down by people around them. Including the royal house, authorities and the media.

But the problem for the Norwegian monarchy is that this is not just about Marius. I guess I'm not the only one who sees a pattern here. Case Märtha Louise and her "shaman" is different from this in every respect but one. Both of these cases paint a picture of a royal house that doesn't take itself seriously, doesn't take its duties seriously, yet expects the general population to take them seriously. An equation like that can never work, and the attitude is pure poison for the institution's future. If, indeed, it has any.

Many here have written that MM perhaps blames herself and the complicated set up with Marius in an unequal role compared to his half-siblings for all the trouble Marius has had with the outside world (and with himself). It would be understandable of her to think like that, no matter how wrong we know her conclusions to be. And yet, I still can't understand it, how someone with such logic-defying, blind love for one child can neglect another child so completely. Mette Marit, by protecting Marius to this extent, has essentially thrown her own daughter under the bus. Ingrid Alexandra, as the future Queen, doesn't have the same luxury as Marius of choosing her own path in life. She must serve the institution of monarchy, she must be in the spotlight for all her life, and there really is no way she can opt out of it, no honourable way, anyway. And MM has made her daughter's plight massively more challenging than it was ever going to be. I don't just mean the reputational damage that Marius has brought to the family, but also the connections. This level of connections to the underworld poses a massive risk to IA. Not just for the monarchy, but also for her as a person, on many levels. Marius' friends just don't appear to be the kind of people who would leave royals alone.

When Haakon and Mette Marit married, I thought that this might one day trigger the end of the Norwegian Monarchy. I never agreed with the idea that Nordic monarchies were popular because they were down to earth. Instead, they have been popular because they have worked hard, and because they have given the appearance of being trustworthy and level-headed. Yet, truth to be told, I never expected to be proven right in such a horrible way. It's not just Marius' fault or Mette Marit's fault, but the sorry product of a family culture where they think being "down to earth" or "like all the other citizens" means taking nothing seriously, yet making use of their royal privilege without limit.

Both Märtha Louise and Haakon give me the impression of spoiled kids without any sense of proportion whatsoever. I don't know if Harald and Sonja can directly be blamed, not necessarily. The old King and Queen have done their very best for Norway and for the royal house, and though they would never say so openly, somehow I fear they watch their offspring with a sense of disappointment, worry and self-blame.

It's quite possible that after Harald's time, if not before, the support of monarchy collapses spectacularly in Norway. It won't be enough for a transformation into a republic, however. The monarchy thus enters a future in limbo, where politicians hope it's out of the way, yet do not have the energy or the guts to do away with it. Marius, as well as Märtha Louise, will continue to damage the institution with their antics. And yet for monarchists, this is really the best case scenario. Because at least, as long as the monarchy isn't abolished, there remains the chance that one day Ingrid Alexandra can turn things around and the past trouble can be forgotten. Haakon and Mette Marit already had their chance to do their thing for the monarchy, and they blew it. Sorry to be so blunt, but there is no way around it.
This is one very insightful post and I cannot praise it enough.👍

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The police warned Marius about his friends: The Marius' friends' drug network
Dagbladet can today say that two long-time friends of Marius have over time had contact with the ex-footballer charged with possession of 34 kilos cocaine - and the case complex the police believe he is part of.

Say, what you want, the Norwegian press is pressing - relentless!

The whole drug thingy was already out of the spot and now this! It is not going away!
 
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"Høiby says he received NOK 20,000 a month from his parents
Marius Borg Høiby (27) has told the police about how the crown prince couple help him financially.
Marius Borg Høiby has explained himself to the police a number of times. There he has been asked questions about his personal finances.
TV 2 is aware of parts of the content of one of the interviews.
According to TV 2's information, Høiby has said in questioning that he has no income, but that he still has money.
The reason is that he receives financial support from home, he explains.
TV 2 is not aware of whether he is referring to Crown Prince Haakon or his biological father Morten Borg. Borg has not responded to TV 2's inquiries.
To avoid the bills going to debt collection, it is his mother and Crown Prince Haakon who arrange the bills, he explains. "
 
NOK 20.000 would be 1.716 Euro/1.800 USD/1.422 GBP - and if his bills are also going to Haakon and MM (to avoid them going to debt collection? [you'd think that the alternative would be: him paying]), that would suggest that the NOK 20.000 could be spending money, while his other costs are covered by his mother and stepfather.
 
NOK 20.000 would be 1.716 Euro/1.800 USD/1.422 GBP - and if his bills are also going to Haakon and MM (to avoid them going to debt collection? [you'd think that the alternative would be: him paying]), that would suggest that the NOK 20.000 could be spending money, while his other costs are covered by his mother and stepfather.
For US dollars are you saying it would be $1800/ month (one thousand eight hundred dollars)?
 
Almost, 1787 $. Not a lot, I suspect they didn’t want to fuel his addiction.
Thank you! If they are paying his bills (car, phone, credit cards, utilities for his house and I guess the rent is free), I think that $1787 “spending money” is quite a lot. I really can’t think of any normal 27 year olds I know who have that much discretionary income each month.
Except for what we call “trust fund kids” who don’t have jobs either and live off inherited funds. But even one trust fund kid of 30 that I know works at Best Buy to have health insurance and something to do - he’s on the Geek Squad installing and fixing electronics. Maybe Marius could get a job there after rehab and jail. :p
 
Norway is one of the most expensive countries in Europe, maybe as expensive as Switzerland. That’s what made me say it’s not a lot. The average monthly income in 2023 was aprox 5000 euros, almost three times what Marius says he was getting from his parents.
 
Norway is one of the most expensive countries in Europe, maybe as expensive as Switzerland. That’s what made me say it’s not a lot. The average monthly income in 2023 was aprox 5000 euros, almost three times what Marius says he was getting from his parents.
Thanks for this info! :flowers:
 
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According to the police, Marius is alleged to have raped a young woman just hours after he had a pleasant family dinner with his then-girlfriend and her family on Palm Saturday March 23.
After the dinner was over, Marius and his girlfriend took a taxi home to Skaugum, where they lived together. But at some point Marius decided he didn't want to go home. He wanted to party instead, and his girlfriend therefore let him drop off in the city centre. She herself took the taxi to Skaugum.
Marius returned home to Skaugum only in the morning. In the meantime, Marius is said to have been at home with a woman in her 20s whom he didn't knew before. He allegedly assaulted her in the woman's home in Oslo.
According to TV 2, the rape has happened at 08.10 in the morning on Palm Sunday. The reason why the time is so precise is that the police has found several videos of the incident on Marius' mobile phone.

Dagbladet's political editor is responsible for the editorial, in which is written among other things:
We must realize that Marius' money lending and criminal circle of friends constitute a significant security risk for the Royal House.
TV 2 published a story about Marius explaining his personal finances. He has no personal income, but receives financial support from home. To avoid bills going to debt collection, Haakon and Mette-Marit ensure that they are paid. He has no control over his finances and is in a stressful financial situation, he has explained. He borrows money from his friends. "He thinks he has debt, but has no control over this" the case states.
The Royal House comments to TV 2: "The Royal Court has no knowledge of the private finances of Marius Borg Høiby". But they should have. If Marius owes money to people with criminal contacts, it potentially poses a significant security risk for the Royal House.
 
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Norway is one of the most expensive countries in Europe, maybe as expensive as Switzerland. That’s what made me say it’s not a lot. The average monthly income in 2023 was aprox 5000 euros, almost three times what Marius says he was getting from his parents.
Yes , I agree as to how expensive it must be to live in Norway . However as Marius stated ALL his formal / regular bills are paid by his parents , whether birth or step . I sincerely doubt he has ever had to pay for his drugs etc . Unrestricted access to the CP couples private estate / home , their possessions would have compensated his criminal friends adequately .
 
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