Marius Borg Høiby News & Current Events Part 1: December 2023 -


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So, there is alledgedly a second rape of an unconscious victim. And this time the crime was filmed - obviously by Marius himself - and the vid was found on his phone. The victim is in her twenties and the alledged crime happend in her flat in March.

The victim has contacted the police and there some proof, probably the vid, was shown to her.
 
Muhler said:
I am not. I have pity for the woman who was raped.

Six months has passed and now it's going to be ripped open again. On top of that it won't be long before everybody know who she is. Norway is a small country, it's difficult to hide.
Ad now she knows there is a video of her rape, that "funny-Marius" made and very well may have shown and even send to his friends. That's such a nice thought to have to live with.
A rape isn't just a rape of a woman, which certainly is bad enough! It's also a rape of those who is near and dear to her and who love her. They will feel angry and devastated, but first and foremost they must feel helpless. They could not defend their daughter, granddaughter, sister, girlfriend and they don't know what to do to help her even now. And they are angry, but they can't went their anger at someone. Marius is out of reach, but they are still angry and they will remain angry and helpless for a long time.
You can hardly blame a rape victim from being turned off by sex and intimacy, at least for quite a while, and if she has a boyfriend, no matter how understanding and supporting he is, it's nevertheless far from certain their relationship would survive.
So yes, I so pity the rape victim.

As for Mette Marit. I have very little sympathy for her. She was warned twice by former girlfriends of Marius and did nothing. Mette Marit who dedicated herself to helping women have been abused and who would have known all the warning signals, turned a blind eye and did nothing.

I don't want to hear Mette Marit utter as much as peep in defense of her Marius. I don't want to hear her angle for the least bit sympathy and I don't want her to have the audacity to ever again stand and give a speech on behalf of abused women. If she does, she's out as far as I am concerned. She should instead be heartily ashamed of herself.
And if she has any decency within her she should on her own retire from all royal duties and appearances.
How the bloody hell can she shield an abuser, even if it is her own son?!? She has a daughter! Didn't she ever think: What if it was Ingrid?

And as for Haakon the Spineless. My feelings for him right now are bordering on downright contempt.
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You put it so clearly. People seldom think about the long term ramifications and impact on the wider community and relationships of the victim.
 
kalnel said:
You may be right about all of this, but I’d point out again that we don’t know what has transpired behind the scenes. Haakon and MM may have been desperately trying to help Marius for years.

Just because they didn’t report back to the girlfriends about their actions doesn’t mean nothing happened. And, we have no idea about any interactions between him and the women when they were dating Marius — perhaps he did shield them. I think at least one is a celebrity in her own right, there’s not much Haakon could do about her media coverage.

Haakon’s main errors, from what we can verify, are that he allowed criminal activity (and criminals) on his property and that he abandoned his job. More may come out, but that’s all we actually know now.
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This! People keep saying that Haakon and MM did nothing. But, we don't know! We really don't. And I think it is very unfair to presume they did nothing, just because we can't see it. They may well have had several serious conversations with Marius after the messages of his girlfriends. But they can't be at his side all day, holding his hand in order for him to keep his own hands of his girlfriends. We don't know how many times they have tried to get him help. But they can't really do anything if Marius is unwilling. Is that then H&MM's fault? No, that blame lies solely with Marius.
We don't know what happens behind closed doors, and we don't know how bad things could have been. As bad as the situation now is with these rape-allegations.
The only thing I think H&MM did wrong, though I can't blame them, is keeping it from going public. And thereby indirectly letting the behaviour go unseen.
 
SLV said:
This! People keep saying that Haakon and MM did nothing. But, we don't know! We really don't. And I think it is very unfair to presume they did nothing, just because we can't see it. They may well have had several serious conversations with Marius after the messages of his girlfriends. But they can't be at his side all day, holding his hand in order for him to keep his own hands of his girlfriends. We don't know how many times they have tried to get him help. But they can't really do anything if Marius is unwilling. Is that then H&MM's fault? No, that blame lies solely with Marius.
We don't know what happens behind closed doors, and we don't know how bad things could have been. As bad as the situation now is with these rape-allegations.
The only thing I think H&MM did wrong, though I can't blame them, is keeping it from going public. And thereby indirectly letting the behaviour go unseen.
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I agree with you , until we have the full story we have to wait in see instead of pointing the finger and saying people have to step down from there roles, Yes total Marius had to be held accountable , but everyone else we need to see what comes out in court. .....On the other , I do think Marius has been protected way to much. and he now has to face his life choices and how he has damaged these women !!!.
 
Currently it's Marius on trial charged with some very heinous crimes and detaining him long enough to obtain a verdict.
A verdict from the court of Public Opinion against Haakon and MM is another thing. I doubt we will ever know their complicity unless brought out in court. My thoughts re: Marius are a combination of genetic proclivity enhanced by opportunity with some highly ineffective parenting. Let's sit back and wait for a verdict.
 
Hans-Rickard said:
This only gets worse and worse for every day it seems… Every day now we are waking up to the news of a new crime he is being investigated for….

I am relived that the police is keeping him in custody this time… Marius is by all accounts a very sick man who needs to be kept away from the streets to not further harm other people and himself… It is regrettable that this was not made earlier, as if the 2:nd rape case is true, then it would have been painfully easily avoidable, if the police only had taken him off the streets in September…

I think Crown Prince Haakon handles the media questions well… He remains calm and composed, and does not give any words of encouragment or support to either side… It may be provoking for some that he does not speak out immediately against rape and domestic abuse but he is in a position where he really should think twice before doing that at the moment, as this is not even a court-case yet…. Either side can easily complain to the court about the Crown Prince being partial or supportive of the other side if he gives as much as a hint, and that the other side would not recive a fair and impartial trial….

And there is a realistic chance that both the Crown Prince and Crown Princess, and possibly also Princess Ingrid Alexandra and Prince Sverre Magnus, may be called to give evidence under oath during a trial, so anything Haakon says now can come back and bite him in the tail later…

The Crown Princess however should stay out of the limelight for as much as possible now until this court case has been closed (no i don’t think she will but she should)….. Had they been a normal family i would have said the same about Haakon as well but he can’t… King Harald has only one back up and that is Haakon….
Haakon himself has no back up so he simply cannot stay low without the monarchy collapsing tomorrow…
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ingrid is haakon back up
 
Blog Real said:
A third rape case is now being investigated.

www.seher.no

Etterforsker en tredje voldtekt

Oslo politidistrikt har siktet Marius for to voldtekter. Nå er en tredje sak under etterforskning i et annet politidistrikt.
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What??? So it is now six? The three girlfriends in addition to three rape cases?
He is most definitely a danger to others! So incredibly horrible for these young women and their loved ones :sad:
 
Blog Real said:
A third rape case is now being investigated.

www.seher.no

Etterforsker en tredje voldtekt

Oslo politidistrikt har siktet Marius for to voldtekter. Nå er en tredje sak under etterforskning i et annet politidistrikt.
www.seher.no www.seher.no
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Yes, it was reported already yesterday by Se og Hør and Juliane Snekkestad was interviewed about it yesterday.

Gunhild Vehusheia, lawyer of the victim at the second rape, wrote in a text message to NTB:
- She has not reported this herself, but is cooperating with the police. Beyond that, I can and will only ask for as much peace as possible. At the present time, I can only say that my client relates to the fact that the police must be allowed to carry out their investigation based on the prosecution's expansion of charges to also apply to rape of my client.
www.nettavisen.no

Advokaten til ny fornærmet i Høiby-saken: – Hun ønsker mest mulig ro

Kvinnen som er fornærmet i den siste voldtektssaken mot Marius Borg Høiby, anmeldte ikke selv forholdet til politiet, ifølge bistandsadvokaten.
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The Palace confirms to NRK that they were not notified in advance the last two times Marius was arrested.
- The Royal Court was not notified in advance of the police's actions, neither this week nor in September, says Simen Sund, communications adviser at the Royal Court to NRK.
- In the notification from the police on 4 August, the Royal Court became aware that Marius Borg Høiby had been involved in a potentially serious incident that could result in an arrest, says Sund.
www.nrk.no

Straffesaken mot Marius Borg Høiby

Marius Borg Høiby, sønn av kronprinsesse Mette Marit, ble pågrepet etter en voldshendelse på Frogner i Oslo natt til 4. august 2024. I ettertid har han blitt siktet for blant annet vold, voldtekt og trusler. Det er seks fornærmede i saken.
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Se og Hør has been in contact with the Oslo police district on Thursday, which confirms that no members of the royal family are allowed to visit Marius, as he is under a letter and visiting ban.
www.seher.no

Mette-Marit får ikke besøke Marius

Da Oslo tingrett avsa dom om vareteksfengsling, ble det klart at Mette-Marit ikke får besøke eller kontakte sønnen mens han sitter i fengsel.
www.seher.no www.seher.no

polyesco said:
Agree. For me it's clear Mette-Marit has covered for Marius. Instead of letting him face the consequences she is interfering on his behalf.
He and his friends trash the Crown Prince Couple's home and what are the consequences? nothing he still had access to their home until recently.
The theft of royal goods and the gas card, what did Haakon do? nothing. Can he run a successful royal court with budgets or is that just something for taxpayers to worry about?
At least till August he still had a diplomatic passport. Why?? He s 27 with really no job and hanging out with criminals. Why was his diplomatic passport not taken away?
And why did Mette-Marit need to clean right before his first arrest? Hiding evidence is the only answer for me. Interference.

So if I'm getting all the info correct, the second rape happened on September 26 at the Skaugum estate, wasn't he shopping with mommy dearest the next day...for furniture and a mattress sheet?
www.seher.no

Sammen etter skandalen

Kronprinsesse Mette-Marit og eldstesønnen Marius ble observert på en shoppingrunde. Snakket de om hendelsene?
www.seher.no www.seher.no

I dont blame Mette-Marit for Marius actions, but for me it's clear she knows alot and actively tries to prevent any consequences from hitting him. Any mother would do this? okay, then let the parents and love ones of the victims deal with Marius.

I'm glad the police are no longer alerting the Crown Prince Couple prior to arrests. No more missing evidence and no more clean houses. Let Marius face the consequences for his actions.
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We will see if Mette-Marit will be questioned:
The Police have considererd the possibility of summoning Mette-Marit for questioning
- The police have completed the legal framework for this investigation. We still have not made a decision on the petition from lawyer Grødem, says police prosecutor Andreas Kruszewski to TV 2.
Petter Grødem is Juliane Snekkestad's assistance lawyer. Earlier this autumn, he asked the police to summon Crown Princess Mette Marit for questioning in the criminal case against Marius Borg Høiby.
www.tv2.no

Politiet har vurdert muligheten for å kalle inn kronprinsessen til avhør

TV 2 Nyheter Livestudio - Siste nytt i dag
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Nora Haukland says at her podcast "Nora answers" among other things:
She has felt a wide range of emotions recently, and that there have been many ups and downs. She thought for a long time that she was the only one to have been exposed to Marius' alleged actions.
- The things that happened to me - and that he did to me. I seriously thought it only happened to me for so long. And I thought I was crazy and that I was the problem. With all of this happening, it's just been an awakening for me that I've been with a… I don't dare say the word, but yeah, you get the idea.
www.dagbladet.no

- Trodde at jeg var problemet

Nora Haukland åpner seg om en svært følelsesladd tid.
www.dagbladet.no www.dagbladet.no

At the program "Debatten" were yesterday interviewed editors of Se og Hør, VG, Aftenposten and Olav Rønneberg, crime commentator on TV 2. The editors explained how they have covered the case.
Most interesting in it is that Se og Hør editor-in-chief Ulf André Andersen has criticized Ingrid Alexandra for praising Marius in her birthday speech, among other things by pointing out that he is loyal to his friends.
Host Fredrik Solvang reacts: Do you really think that a little sister can't look up to her big brother?
Andersen says that yes, it is problematic because there have been discussions within the family about Marius' circle, and when she emphasizes that it is good that he is loyal to his "criminal friends", Andersen believes that it must questioned. This is the future queen, and she must be observant of what she writes and says. It was known that Marius had a network that was not of the good kind, and she should have taken that into account as well.
www.nettavisen.no

Stilt til veggs om Høiby-dekning: – Mener du virkelig det?

Fredrik Solvang holdt ikke igjen da han grillet redaktørene i flere store mediehus om Høiby-dekningen.
www.nettavisen.no www.nettavisen.no

From the castle balcony to custody
Norway may have a new queen while her son is in prison.
www.aftenposten.no

Fra slottsbalkongen til varetekt

Norge kan få en ny dronning mens sønnen hennes sitter i fengsel.
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Three rapes, three domestic violence claims, and a threat of murder. So seven victims so far, do I have that right? And probably more to come. He's totally out of control and has been for years.

I'm sorry, but MM & H created this monster, they have to take responsibility. He didn't just start this behavior once he was an independent adult, this behavior/attitude has been going on for a long time. From MM's letter to the press:

The role has also proved difficult to interpret for people around us in private. Ever since he was tiny. Everything from parents who have come with concerns and well-intentioned advice to teachers who have always had other expectations for Marius their behavior than others.

From his mother's own words, there were people pointing out from the time he was young that they had concerns about his behavior. They should have gotten him treatment in his teens or earlier instead of blaming others for having unrealistic expectations of him. If they did seek help, then it was ineffective and they should have kept going until they found someone who could help him. They should have been transparent about his problems instead of coercing the media into staying quiet. Instead they tried to hide it and protect him from the consequences of his actions.

Plus, MM has hung out with his hoodlum friends and him, turned a blind eye to theft (fuel card, household goods, who knows what else), "cleaned" his house before the police showed up, contacted victims when she shouldn't have and not responded to victims when they asked for help, on and on. Haakon had to know about all this, so how is he not responsible for turning a blind eye as well?

Yes, Marius needs to pay for his crimes. But his parents need to take responsibility for failing to help him grow into a successful, contributing member of society. Instead they raised a man who is a menace to society, and now it's going to be very hard to change the habits he has developed. Habits that might have been nipped in the bud when he was younger and more malleable.

All just my opinion.
 
I have seen very careful parents raising a child whose life went off track and I have seen very careless parents ending up with a very grounded child. So to one-on-one blame the parents for this is something I really can not agree with. Who knows what they may have been trying to do over the years. Marius is 27 years old, he has been an adult for 9 years. Surely his choices are his responsibility and not his parents.
 
Healthy Sceptic said:
Reread my post, I didn't say his choices are his parent's responsibility. It was their responsibility to give him the tools to be a successful adult which they very apparently failed to do.
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True, but we do not know if they gave him the tools to be a successful adult... and tried for years with no results. I can hardly imagine that they didn't do what they were able to do, but it was not enough and that is what they are rightly getting blamed for.

As soon as IIRC Juliane who was a longtime girlfriend told the truth to MM , privately with no press around at that time, that would have been the turning point IMO to get him into a clinic, rehab or whatever, simply get him away from it all.

In their position they always had possibilities to take action privately without announcing anything. Conclusion is that they didn't take Juliane's statement seriously, maybe Marius manipulated them again and they believed him more than the woman? And that was the first big mistake they made, other mistakes following as we know.

In case they had shown concern and took action in 2023 after Juliane's warning other victims would have been spared, the whole story wouldn't have gone public, lawyers wouldn't have been hired and so on.
 
I believe most posters here are not suggesting that parenting is solely responsible for the wrongdoing of an adult child. After all, he is a grown man and should be fully accountable for his actions. While it’s true that parenting plays a significant role in shaping an individual’s personality, that topic is beyond the scope of my reply. Rather, I believe most posters are expressing disappointment in the parents’ perceived inability to prevent the situation from escalating. You could have stopped him, but you couldn't even if you've tried. Anything that can go wrong, will go wrong.
 
On addition that comes to my mind. I try to be in their shoes as parents.

You have this nice looking little boy and after a while you have to learn that he is turning into a psychopath, a criminal, a person that you cannot control. And you still care for him. It must be a feeling of "This cannot be, he is my child, he cannot be such a bad person", quite torturing thoughts.
However , as painful as a process that must be, there must come a point in time where you just have to act as a parent, not only to help your child but also in consideration of all those people, in his case mostly women! (which I think especially cruel) to prevent him from hurting them.
 
Healthy Sceptic said:
Three rapes, three domestic violence claims, and a threat of murder. So seven victims so far, do I have that right? And probably more to come. He's totally out of control and has been for years.

I'm sorry, but MM & H created this monster, they have to take responsibility. He didn't just start this behavior once he was an independent adult, this behavior/attitude has been going on for a long time. From MM's letter to the press:

The role has also proved difficult to interpret for people around us in private. Ever since he was tiny. Everything from parents who have come with concerns and well-intentioned advice to teachers who have always had other expectations for Marius their behavior than others.

From his mother's own words, there were people pointing out from the time he was young that they had concerns about his behavior. They should have gotten him treatment in his teens or earlier instead of blaming others for having unrealistic expectations of him. If they did seek help, then it was ineffective and they should have kept going until they found someone who could help him. They should have been transparent about his problems instead of coercing the media into staying quiet. Instead they tried to hide it and protect him from the consequences of his actions.

Plus, MM has hung out with his hoodlum friends and him, turned a blind eye to theft (fuel card, household goods, who knows what else), "cleaned" his house before the police showed up, contacted victims when she shouldn't have and not responded to victims when they asked for help, on and on. Haakon had to know about all this, so how is he not responsible for turning a blind eye as well?

Yes, Marius needs to pay for his crimes. But his parents need to take responsibility for failing to help him grow into a successful, contributing member of society. Instead they raised a man who is a menace to society, and now it's going to be very hard to change the habits he has developed. Habits that might have been nipped in the bud when he was younger and more malleable.

All just my opinion.
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Agree. For me it's clear Mette-Marit has covered for Marius. Instead of letting him face the consequences she is interfering on his behalf.
He and his friends trash the Crown Prince Couple's home and what are the consequences? nothing he still had access to their home until recently.
The theft of royal goods and the gas card, what did Haakon do? nothing. Can he run a successful royal court with budgets or is that just something for taxpayers to worry about?
At least till August he still had a diplomatic passport. Why?? He s 27 with really no job and hanging out with criminals. Why was his diplomatic passport not taken away?
And why did Mette-Marit need to clean right before his first arrest? Hiding evidence is the only answer for me. Interference.

So if I'm getting all the info correct, the second rape happened on September 26 at the Skaugum estate, wasn't he shopping with mommy dearest the next day...for furniture and a mattress sheet?
www.seher.no

Sammen etter skandalen

Kronprinsesse Mette-Marit og eldstesønnen Marius ble observert på en shoppingrunde. Snakket de om hendelsene?
www.seher.no www.seher.no

I dont blame Mette-Marit for Marius actions, but for me it's clear she knows alot and actively tries to prevent any consequences from hitting him. Any mother would do this? okay, then let the parents and love ones of the victims deal with Marius.

I'm glad the police are no longer alerting the Crown Prince Couple prior to arrests. No more missing evidence and no more clean houses. Let Marius face the consequences for his actions.
 
I agree that Marius is first and foremost responsible himself. He keeps making extremely bad choices (and knows that but doesn't care - probably because he continues to think that he is special/protected, so can do as he please).

While parenting cannot prevent everything or in all cases produce a satisfactory result, parenting does make a difference in the life of children and the adults they grow into. Typically, if you want to change the behavior of children, you need to work with their parents. And unfortunately, based on the limited information we have, I am afraid that MM and Haakon were of the permissive sort who would 'protect' rather than 'correct. When others tried to reign him in, they were fast to dismiss that as others having unrealistic expectations, when he started showing concerning behavior as a young adult, they told the media to leave him alone as it were just some youthful discretions that were far less serious than what Mette Marit herself did. While that might be partially true, the message that Marius clearly got is that he is untouchable.

And them not getting back to his ex-girlfriends when they shared their concerns with them as parents, shows that again the protection mode was in full force. Even if they also tried to correct his behavior from within; not following up, is problematic - and going over to his house to clean up (although this also might be Marius throwing his mother under the bus) when he is to be arrested is another overprotection response.

It makes you wonder how Marius looks at his parents and especially his mother, my guess is that he thinks/knows that they/she can be played/manipulated into doing what he wants them to do.
 
polyesco said:
So if I'm getting all the info correct, the second rape happened on September 26 at the Skaugum estate, wasn't he shopping with mommy dearest the next day...for furniture and a mattress sheet?
www.seher.no

Sammen etter skandalen

Kronprinsesse Mette-Marit og eldstesønnen Marius ble observert på en shoppingrunde. Snakket de om hendelsene?
www.seher.no www.seher.no
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I was trying not to give my opinions on this situation, but that is very creepy and damning.

Also thank you to all of the poster for providing translations and news updates.
 
PhillyMonarchist said:
ingrid is haakon back up
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Ingrid is not allowed to replace Haakon as chair in the council of state with the government until she is Crown Princess…

At least not until October-November next year when the proposed amendment of the constitution will be taken up for debate and vote in the parliament…

So as of now, Haakon has no back up.
 
LadyFinn said:
We will see if Mette-Marit will be questioned:
The Police have considererd the possibility of summoning Mette-Marit for questioning
- The police have completed the legal framework for this investigation. We still have not made a decision on the petition from lawyer Grødem, says police prosecutor Andreas Kruszewski to TV 2.
Petter Grødem is Juliane Snekkestad's assistance lawyer. Earlier this autumn, he asked the police to summon Crown Princess Mette Marit for questioning in the criminal case against Marius Borg Høiby.
www.tv2.no

Politiet har vurdert muligheten for å kalle inn kronprinsessen til avhør

TV 2 Nyheter Livestudio - Siste nytt i dag
www.tv2.no www.tv2.no
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A part of me hope she will never be questioned by the police, and that she will never be required to give testimony - and consequently be cross examined - at Marius trial.

But justice for the victims comes first. Sometimes at a high price...

Three cases of rape being investigated now, and counting.... At least one taking place several years ago. One after he was arrested and was still under police investigation. He's bold, reckless and totally out of reach now. - And he's not a novice in the field of drug rape, I don't believe that.
From what we know his behavior has become ever more outrageous over the past year or two. So outrageous that he doesn't even bother/can't even hide it anymore.
I think he, at least deep down, knows he is going down. That he will be put away. It's the end of the line for him. I don't think he feels there is much left for him. - It was way past time he was put behind bars. Because I think he would rapidly have gone from worse to a lot worse had he not been arrested and this time jailed.

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LadyFinn said:
Se og Hør has been in contact with the Oslo police district on Thursday, which confirms that no members of the royal family are allowed to visit Marius, as he is under a letter and visiting ban.
www.seher.no

Mette-Marit får ikke besøke Marius

Da Oslo tingrett avsa dom om vareteksfengsling, ble det klart at Mette-Marit ikke får besøke eller kontakte sønnen mens han sitter i fengsel.
www.seher.no www.seher.no
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I think this is quite wise under the circumstances. Of course he can talk with his lawyer but doesn’t have access to others. I hope that in addition to incarceration that part of the process is to find a therapist who specializes in working with perps of DV

If anyone is interested in more academic information about domestic violence, causes, etc. here is some info:
Reason Abusers Need to Control[8][9][10]
  • Anger management issues
  • Jealousy
  • Low self-esteem
  • Feeling inferior
  • Cultural beliefs they have the right to control their partner
  • Personality disorder or psychological disorder
  • Learned behavior from growing up in a family where domestic violence was accepted
  • Alcohol and drugs, as an impaired individual may be less likely to control violent impulses
Here is the site with the complete article :

I was thinking about how we really have no idea about what Marius saw and experienced while with his bio dad ( or indeed, we also have no idea what went on behind closed doors with MM and Haakon). Classically, we see that perpetrators of DV either saw or experienced abuse themselves as children - not always, of course, but this is seen a lot. With Marius, I would also imagine the jealousy, low self esteem, and feeling inferior (see above) as well as a sense of entitlement and the alcohol and drugs contributed to where he is today.

This is all so very sad and very tragic for all the victims - I hope their family members are insuring that they get/continue to get the therapy they need.

Hope this info is helpful :flowers:
 
(..) The situation Marius and the NRF now find themselves in , has only come about because an unnamed friend of the first reported victim persuaded her to report Marius to the police . The public owe this friend a great deal of gratitude , because that victim's subsequent behaviour has shown that on her own , she would never have reported Marius . He has gotten away with this behaviour for far too long . I also do not think that Marius has much respect for most men either . He , based upon the reports I have read from the press , [ who seem to be desperately trying to make up for their lack of "reporting" over the past years ] , seems to gravitate to men who , if not all actually convicted criminals , live very much in that world . Obviously none of us can ever really know the true nature of his relationship with Haakon , who has always been open in his affection for Marius . However it seems to me that Marius has no respect for Haakon , and certainly did not regard him as a role model . He should certainly be kept far away from IA and SM , any continued close relationship with an admitted drug addict and domestic abuser can only cause them harm .
 
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Eh...I'm editing this to just say, the speculation in here is way out of hand in my opinion. He's horrible enough without the extra flights of fancy. And none of us know why he's such a terrible person.
 
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I wonder what kind of relationship Marius has had with his birth father Morten Borg. We don't really hear anything about him other than he is divorced from his wife of 14 yrs since 2019 and was imprisoned on a drug charge when Marius was born.

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