Marius Borg Høiby News & Current Events Part 1: December 2023 -

[Prinsara]

Aside from rape or murder it’s hard to feel surprised by much of what M has done by now (I’m sure there will be something, but the fatigue sets in quickly).

I know the wheels of justice are grinding slow and exceedingly fine here, but I wish they’d just charge him or put him in custody while this goes on.

…Welp. And here we are. Please keep him locked up, at least for the week, Norwegian justice system?

I feel awful for a few people… and Haakon is one of them. He’s a gentle man who loved this kid (and still does), by his own admission to the point of pain. And these days it must really be hurting.

 

[Somebody]

Haakon said: "it is serious charges that Marius is facing..."

Thanks, so the 'now' in the previous quote was inaccurate. Glad to read that.

 

[Alisa]

Dear lord it keeps getting worse. It's sad to say but I would hope that drugs were involved in this new accusation of suspicion of rape. For if the allegations are true and Marius did in fact consciously rape this woman he is a MONSTER and needs to be kept away from everyone!

Høiby pågrepet på nytt – siktet for voldtekt

Politiet vurderer om Høiby skal fremstilles for varetektsfengsling. Han er siktet for voldtekt mot en ny fornærmet kvinne, men nekter straffskyld.

www.nrk.no

The only desion should be that Marius needs to be kept in jail because he is clearly a danger to himself and to other people. Marius believes he is ABOVE the law. His driver's license was taken away yet he keeps driving vehicles. Restraining orders are taken out against him, yet he keeps violating them. Is it going to take someone dying for the Norwegian Police to see this?

 

[polyesco]

The latest developments are surprising but not really. Justice needs to be served before we have a dead victim.
So many thoughts, but I'll write that I'm glad the Crown Prince Couple were not notified this time. No more "clean" houses, no more missing sim cards, no more calls to the victims.
November 6 as a date, and then the quick trip to London, more hidden evidence? more sympathy for rehab?
For me, I'm glad Haakon is out of the country. No more interference!
For the safety of all, Marius needs to be under arrest.

 

[Healthy Sceptic]

Haakon sounds like such a wimp in his comments. He needs to be home with Mommy MM to tell him everything will be okay, boohoo.

I wonder if it's intentional or just poetic justice that H & MM are separated when this latest, extremely serious, accusation is brought to light. I'm reminded of 100 years ago when Nicky & Alix were separated (he at the front, she at home) when he was forced to abdicate. Both couples are weak men influenced by willful, misguided women.

These latest accusations make me wonder what else is out there waiting to be brought to light. I hope they do decide to hold him, he shouldn't be allowed to leave the country at this point, or tamper with evidence any further. All the shopping trips with his mother make me very suspicious that the two of them are tampering with &/or destroying evidence. Weren't they seen with a mattress topper on one such trip? Not to be gross, but that is something that could contain evidence of a sexual assault.

MM can't be prosecuted, but she needs to have some consequences for her enabling behavior. And she needs to be made to stay away from her son because she is a bad influence IMO. He doesn't need mommy enabling his behavior and telling him she'll protect him. I really hope they keep him in jail where he isn't a flight risk and a threat to others.

 

[Marengo]

It starts to feel like Pandora’s box, doesn’t it? Every time there is a new incident.

 

[Moonmaiden23]

Because too many accusations in a short period of time about things that have happened over the years that everyone has kept quiet about. If it had been a Mette-Marit umbrella this umbrella would not have closed so easily.

Who would get in the car of the person who could have killed you 2 months earlier ?

This is why I am not only shocked and appalled, but very confused!

A) The assault in question happened last spring...but the victim has continued in a relationship/friendship with Marius?

B) Who reported the incident to the authorities and when?

C)Did Marius leave the UK because he was advised to return to Norway and surrender to authorities?

 

[soapstar]

This is all so tragic. I really hope all of the women Marius abused, are able to get justice.

 

[Prinsara]

A) The assault in question happened last spring...but the victim has continued in a relationship/friendship with Marius?

No. This is a fourth person; someone who didn’t know him beforehand and hasn’t interacted with him since. The victim of the dv/property damage in the summer continues to interact with him.

Aside from everything else, how stupid is Marius (very. it’s rhetorical) to violate his restraining order (again) and drive with a suspended license (another charge) when he could have been at rehab today? (…Assuming he wasn’t taken into custody on the new, most dreadful thing?)

Boy just ain’t that bright, as they say.

Or this is some form of fast-acting karma.

 

[Blog Real]

I like Haakon. I think he even makes very sensible comments. What more can he say?
The situation is very complicated and delicate.

 

[Muhler]

This is why I am not only shocked and appalled, but very confused!

A) The assault in question happened last spring...but the victim has continued in a relationship/friendship with Marius?

B) Who reported the incident to the authorities and when?

C)Did Marius leave the UK because he was advised to return to Norway and surrender to authorities?

I think it's a good idea to clarify:
Snekkestad - several years of relationship with Marius. She was the first girlfriend. They broke up in late 2022. - She tried to warn MM in January 2023.
Haukland, second girlfriend, short but stormy relationship in 2023. Broke up for good in December 2023.
Unknown rape-victim, spring of 2024. Did not know Marius beforehand.
Frogner (named after the place the incident took place) third unnamed girlfriend (all Norwegians know her name, but she is protected in the media by a prohibition from naming her). She was the victim of the incident in August 2024, that led to Marius being arrested for the first time. - On top of that there is a case where she was verbally assaulted in a public place while they were with another couple. That happened earlier this year.
Then there is an unknown man who was threatened on his life by Marius. He has some sort of relationship with the Frogner-woman. Be that friend or family.

- Please correct me if I got some of the details wrong (from memory) I'll add any corrections in a new post.

 

[LadyFinn]

I think it's a good idea to clarify:
Snekkestad - several years of relationship with Marius. She was the first girlfriend. They broke up in late 2022. - She tried to warn MM in January 2023.
Haukland, second girlfriend, short but stormy relationship in 2023. Broke up for good in December 2023.
Unknown rape-victim, spring of 2024. Did not know Marius beforehand.
Frogner (named after the place the incident took place) third unnamed girlfriend (all Norwegians know her name, but she is protected in the media by a prohibition from naming her). She was the victim of the incident in August 2024, that led to Marius being arrested for the first time. - On top of that there is a case where she was verbally assaulted in a public place while they were with another couple. That happened earlier this year.
Then there is an unknown man who was threatened on his life by Marius. He has some sort of relationship with the Frogner-woman. Be that friend or family.

- Please correct me if I got some of the details wrong (from memory) I'll add any corrections in a new post.

Nora Haukland, second girlfriend, was with Marius from summer 2022 to summer 2023. She told to Aftenposten last week that she met the CP couple after their broke up, told about Marius' problems and said to them that Marius should go to rehab.

Nettavisen's royal expert Tove Taalesen today (there's a poll at the article "have you lost trust in the CP couple"):
It is no longer possible to claim that what Marius does does not affect the royal house. Last week at the latest, the Crown Prince Regent traveled out of the country together with Marius, leaving the constitutional duties to the government. It shows that the crown prince thinks more about his family than the country and the people he is set to lead.
If the crown prince couple do not soon actively distance themselves from Marius Borg Høiby's actions, I do not understand how the monarchy can survive?
https://www.nettavisen.no/norsk-debatt/marius-saken-har-gatt-fra-vondt-til-verre-truer-forholdet/o/5-95-2138906

The CP couple should ask themselves this question now:
How little support can the royal family live with?

Dette spørsmålet bør kronprinsparet stille seg nå

Hvor liten støtte kan kongefamilien leve med?

www.nettavisen.no

About the new victim: The police believe Marius assaulted a woman in her 20s in her own apartment in Oslo - early in the morning on Palm Sunday this year, VG is informed.
When the police arrested Marius, the woman from the Frogner incident was in the car with him. The police have also expanded the charges against this woman. The police believe that Marius abused her physically and mentally for nine months, from January to September this year.
The police have also issued a report for driving without a valid driving licence.

Opplysninger til VG: Siktet for voldtekt - i fornærmedes hjem

Politiet mener Marius Borg Høiby (27) forgrep seg mot en kvinne i 20-årene i hennes egen leilighet i Oslo - tidlig om morgenen på palmesøndag i år, får VG opplyst.

www.vg.no

Thanks for this Muhler (and Lady Finn for all the updates) - I was about to ask for some kind of summary because I lost track within this sorry saga.
Latest thoughts: good to see Marius behind bars (for now, at least) and the CP couple keeps pushing the self destruct button.

A timeline at one media:
4 August: The police go to an address on Frogner in Oslo in connection with a violent incident in an apartment during the night.
6 August: Defender Øyvind Bratlien confirms that Crown Princess Mette-Marit's son and Crown Prince Haakon's stepson, Marius Borg Høiby, has been charged with bodily harm. The police confirm that a person was arrested, but later released from custody. Crown Princess Mette-Marit postpones her trip to the Summer Olympics in Paris.
7 August: The police state that the charge concerns both bodily harm and damage, and that there is a relationship between Høiby and the victim. Crown Prince Haakon calls it "a serious matter".
13 August: The police state that Høiby was arrested at Jansløkka school in Asker on 4 August, and that he did not want to explain himself. The palace confirms that Crown Princess Mette-Marit has been in contact with the victim.
14 August: Marius Borg Høiby admits violence and drug use in a statement to NRK. Defender Bratlien calls it an admission of guilt.
16 August: Høiby's ex-girlfriend Juliane Snekkestad is questioned by the police and given the status of offended. She has accused Høiby of violence.
20 August: Another ex-girlfriend, Nora Haukland, is given the status of offended. She, too, has accused Høiby of violence.
23 August: The charge is extended to include threats against the offended woman from the incident at Frogner.
26 August: Crown Prince Haakon comments on the Høiby case and says that it is serious. He confirms that Høiby has a diplomatic passport and says that they were aware of "part" of what Høiby has described about drug and mental problems.
27 August: Marius Borg Høiby attends his first questioning at the police in Oslo.
28 August: Høiby travels to Italy.
3 September: Høiby gets a restraining order for the offended woman from the August episode. He is also removed from the official categories on the royal house's website.
10 September: The police confirm that they had a preventive conversation with Høiby in 2023.
11 September: Se og Hør publishes an audio recording from the police's preventive conversation with Høiby in 2023. The police were concerned that he was in contact with known criminals.
13 September: Høiby is arrested during a cabin tour in Gausdal. He will be released the following Saturday. The background was allegedly a violation of the restraining order. Høiby disputes this.
14 September: The charge is extended to include reckless behavior and violation of a restraining order, as well as a further case of bodily harm. Høiby is also charged with abuse in close relationships in relation to Snekkestad and Haukland. He is also charged with threats against a fourth person.
25 September: Nora Haukland is in her second police interview in connection with abuse that allegedly happened when the two were lovers.
8 October: Assistance lawyer Mette Yvonne Larsen tells NTB that Høiby is being investigated for new violations of the restraining order against her ex-girlfriend.
16 October: After completing eight police interviews, lawyer Øyvind Bratlien says that Høiby has accused ex-girlfriend Juliane Snekkestad of violence.
28 October: Snekkestad's lawyer Petter Grødem asks the Oslo police district to question Crown Princess Mette-Marit.
31 October: Lawyer Bratlien tells Aftenposten that Høiby has been deprived of his driving license on the recommendation of a doctor.
18 November: Høiby is arrested again by the Oslo police. The charge against him is extended to also apply to rape by a new victim in the case. According to the police, the victim was unable to resist the act. In addition, the charges following the violent incident at Frogner on 4 August are extended to abuse in close relationships, as well as a new violation of the restraining order against the same victim.

Tidslinje i saken mot Marius Borg Høiby

www.abcnyheter.no

 

[Prinsara]

Please correct me if I got some of the details wrong

Don’t forget, all of it is alleged except for the Frogner part.

We can judge him but the legal system hasn’t yet… what does it take to formally charge him, anyway? Doesn’t he have to see a judge and get a trial date? I understand the net of charges is widening, but come on.

At the very least since it now apparently includes unconscious assault, you would think that qualifies him as a danger to the public?

 

[Healthy Sceptic]

I like Haakon. I think he even makes very sensible comments. What more can he say?
The situation is very complicated and delicate.

On a personal level I think Haakon is very likeable, maybe even to a fault. On a professional level I'm afraid I don't have very much respect for him anymore.

I think he should have left the part about his wife out, that would have been more professional. Without that it was a fine comment and you're right, there isn't much else he can really say at this point.

 

[tihkon2]

In my opinion it's getting very close to being the only remedy would be for Ingrid to inherit directly after Harald dies. We shall see if it goes that far, but right now I think they don't have too far to go before the family situations of both Martha Louise/Durek and Haakon/Mette-Marit, and their bad choices seriously handicap the monarchy and bring it down. Marius is bad news, and even if he rehabs, they shouldn't let him near an official event ever again. As for Martha, read their thread...There's plenty of blame to go around for everyone except Astrid, Ingrid and Sverre. Harald and Sonia are not blameless in this fiasco. If you had asked me a year ago if any of the existing European monarchies were in danger of collapsing, I would have said a resounding no. Now...I'd say this one is getting there....

 

[fabaunty]

On a personal level I think Haakon is very likeable, maybe even to a fault. On a professional level I'm afraid I don't have very much respect for him anymore.

I think he should have left the part about his wife out, that would have been more professional. Without that it was a fine comment and you're right, there isn't much else he can really say at this point.

I'm sure , one on one Haakon may be likeable , even to a fault . Unfortunately that is not how he will be remembered . As a step-father he has proved a failure as a role model , following mummy's example, enabling Marius's behaviour . No wonder Marius display's no respect for women or the law . I agree that it is finally possible that he is now realising that Marius's behaviour has just gone too far , too little , too late . I agree that without the comment about MM it would have come across better . It just shows MM comes first for Haakon always .

 

[Duke of Marmalade]

I think it's a good idea to clarify:
Snekkestad - several years of relationship with Marius. She was the first girlfriend. They broke up in late 2022. - She tried to warn MM in January 2023.
Haukland, second girlfriend, short but stormy relationship in 2023. Broke up for good in December 2023.
Unknown rape-victim, spring of 2024. Did not know Marius beforehand.
Frogner (named after the place the incident took place) third unnamed girlfriend (all Norwegians know her name, but she is protected in the media by a prohibition from naming her). She was the victim of the incident in August 2024, that led to Marius being arrested for the first time. - On top of that there is a case where she was verbally assaulted in a public place while they were with another couple. That happened earlier this year.
Then there is an unknown man who was threatened on his life by Marius. He has some sort of relationship with the Frogner-woman. Be that friend or family.

- Please correct me if I got some of the details wrong (from memory) I'll add any corrections in a new post.

Thanks for this Muhler (and Lady Finn for all the updates) - I was about to ask for some kind of summary because I lost track within this sorry saga.
Latest thoughts: good to see Marius behind bars (for now, at least) and the CP couple keeps pushing the self destruct button.

 

[Muhler]

I think it's a good idea to clarify:
Snekkestad - several years of relationship with Marius. She was the first girlfriend. They broke up in late 2021. - She tried to warn MM in January 2022.
Haukland, second girlfriend, short but stormy relationship from summer 2022 to summer 2023.
Unknown rape-victim, spring of 2024. Did not know Marius beforehand.
Frogner (named after the place the incident took place) third unnamed girlfriend (all Norwegians know her name, but she is protected in the media by a ban from naming her). She was the victim of the incident in August 2024, that led to Marius being arrested for the first time. - On top of that there is a case where she was verbally assaulted in a public place while they were with another couple. That happened earlier this year.
Then there is an unknown man who was threatened on his life by Marius. He has some sort of relationship with the Frogner-woman. Be that friend or family.

- Please correct me if I got some of the details wrong (from memory) I'll add any corrections in a new post.
(Thanks, LadyFinn.)

Mods: Please delete my post #1671, as it is no longer correct.

 

[Healthy Sceptic]

In my opinion it's getting very close to being the only remedy would be for Ingrid to inherit directly after Harald dies. We shall see if it goes that far, but right now I think they don't have too far to go before the family situations of both Martha Louise/Durek and Haakon/Mette-Marit, and their bad choices seriously handicap the monarchy and bring it down. Marius is bad news, and even if he rehabs, they shouldn't let him near an official event ever again. As for Martha, read their thread...There's plenty of blame to go around for everyone except Astrid, Ingrid and Sverre. Harald and Sonia are not blameless in this fiasco. If you had asked me a year ago if any of the existing European monarchies were in danger of collapsing, I would have said a resounding no. Now...I'd say this one is getting there....

It's a sad day when a person barely out of their teens is preferable to a man who has been spending his entire life preparing for the big job.

I think a lot of people will say why bother at that point. The monarchy isn't that old and the system can function just fine without it. It may become more of a liability than it's worth.

 

[Blog Real]

Haakon cannot be blamed for Marius' behaviors.
I believe the monarchy will survive. But the NRF needs to overcome this difficult litmus test. I want to see Haakon as King of Norway.
At the moment the focus has to be Haakon/Ingrid/Sverre/Harald/Sonja.
Make Marius, Martha Louise and Durek "disappear."
I don't know what else to say about Mette-Marit.

King Harald V is 87 years old and this Marius situation has to be resolved as quickly as possible. I hope that in 2025 this case will be resolved.

 

[tihkon2]

Haakon cannot be blamed for Marius' behaviors.
I believe the monarchy will survive. But the NRF needs to overcome this difficult litmus test. I want to see Haakon as King of Norway.
At the moment the focus has to be Haakon/Ingrid/Sverre/Harald/Sonja.
Make Marius, Martha Louise and Durek "disappear."
I don't know what else to say about Mette-Marit.

King Harald V is 87 years old and this Marius situation has to be resolved as quickly as possible. I hope that in 2025 this case will be resolved.

I don't necessarily want what I said to happen, but I said what I think MIGHT be necessary if things don't start to get better soon. Let's hope it doesn't become the only way to keep the monarchy.

 

[Marengo]

Although posters here may have that opinion I suspect that citizens in Norway will perhaps be somewhat less agitated about the matter and prefer to wait and see how justice will take place and what evidence there actually is?

So far there have been no polls of Ingrid bypassing her father, which I imagine must mean that there is zero debate about it in Norway.

And although the accusations are grave indeed, I can’t see how the Crown Prince can be blamed to the extend that he has to be removed out of the line of succession. Marius is responsible for this first and foremost, not his parents.

Having that said: who is responsible for the PR in the Norwegian court? Because the palace seems largely absent, and the messaging of the crown prince and princess seems rather ill-advised. It is clear that they struggle with their son being such a colossal disappointment, but they should do so in private while having a more appropriate and consistent message in public.

 

[suztav]

This is a very difficult situation. Who is to blame/not to blame? Was he too spoiled? Whatever!

Bottom line: MM made mistakes earlier in her life and -- with the grace of meeting a Prince -- overcame them.

Bottom line: Marius was only 3 when his mother married into the Royal Family. He was surrounded by great privilege and history. He could have embraced it and thrived in it. Instead, he rebelled against everything and used hideously ridiculous judgement. This is on him 100%

Haakon and MM are facing the situation thousands of other families around the world are facing -- how to provide support without seeming to cave into the child's worse impulses.

Throw Marius into jail/rehab. No more privileged understanding. Jail/rehab period. End of story.

 

[Muhler]

It's a sad day when a person barely out of their teens is preferable to a man who has been spending his entire life preparing for the big job.

I think a lot of people will say why bother at that point. The monarchy isn't that old and the system can function just fine without it. It may become more of a liability than it's worth.

It sure it. A desperate day in fact.
And that is a major weakness of the NRF. In its present form, it's a young monarchy and as there are few NRF members, there are no spares left. Because the only alternative is ML, who is married to a self-professed reptile who can twist atoms. And ML herself is busy having conversations with angels. So she can't take over should Haakon and MM become unacceptable, not even as a kind of semi-regent while Ingrid study and prepare herself and try how it is to be young before taking over in earnest.
What used to be the major strength of the NRF, that they were and acted so normal, is now a major weakness.
Because a head of state who is and acts pretty normal, could just as well be a president.
Norway has been labeled a hereditary republic in the way the monarchy there has worked.

Haakon cannot be blamed for Marius' behaviors.
I believe the monarchy will survive. But the NRF needs to overcome this difficult litmus test. I want to see Haakon as King of Norway.
At the moment the focus has to be Haakon/Ingrid/Sverre/Harald/Sonja.
Make Marius, Martha Louise and Durek "disappear."
I don't know what else to say about Mette-Marit.

King Harald V is 87 years old and this Marius situation has to be resolved as quickly as possible. I hope that in 2025 this case will be resolved.

The entire NRF needs to totally distancing themselves from Marius. He's an adult, treat him as an adult.
No more "cleaning" his place up for him.
No more diplomatic passport.
No more money.
No free home.
No free car.
No more shopping with mammy. He can go to a second hand store if he want stuff.
No more family photos with Marius.
No more pulling strings for Marius.
Not even a whisper in sympathy of Marius.
He is poison!

The NRF have a responsibility for Norway, for the monarchy and their dynasty.
They have a responsibility for the one who has to pick up the pieces of this mess for real; Ingrid.
And Haakon and MM have a responsibility for Magnus and Ingrid, their other children, lest they forget.

One case of abuse against a woman, is cause for doubt.
Two cases is most unfortunate.
But four cases is a pattern.
If I were responsible for the security of the NRF I would strip-search Marius each and every time he was anywhere near the NRF, if I could possible get away with it. He is IMO on a self-destructive path and I would not dare rule out anything.

As for MM, she ought to move out of sight and mind, preferably to a cabin somewhere on a mountain, there she can lament her son. Because "little Marius" is gone. Long gone.
Marius is now so far out that the only one who can "save" Marius now, is Marius himself.

During these past few months I have often thought: What must Ingrid think? As a sister, a girl, a woman. She has lost a brother whom she was obviously fond of. Instead she is left with a monster, an abuser of women, a possible rapist. In what state of mind is she in right now? And how will she view Marius in the future?
That's a crucial question! Because if Ingrid too go protective-sister on Marius, and do it publicly, then there is only Magnus left before it's curtains for the NRF.

 

[Prinsara]

During these past few months I have often thought: What must Ingrid think? As a sister, a girl, a woman. She has lost a brother whom she was obviously fond of. Instead she is left with a monster, an abuser of women, a possible rapist. In what state of mind is she in right now? And how will she view Marius in the future?

In the last few years, she’s already dealt with her mother having a terminal diagnosis and the suicide of her cousins’ dad. Having her brother be a thug and potentially a rapist… at least means no one is dead, frankly. Also, she’s left home, lived with a partner, and been a soldier in good standing for the past year. She’s not a little girl anymore.

Remember how I say she’s tough? Well, she probably is. (She, too, may even have had an inkling Marius was dealing with serious issues for quite some time and stressing the hell out of their parents, even with no further details.) She’s also in an excellent undisturbed place to soul-search with plenty to keep her busy when she wants to think about something else.

I’d be more worried about Magnus, honestly. (Remember him? More vulnerable and way more protected?) Although he, too, has temporarily escaped/been shipped off.

That's a crucial question! Because if Ingrid too go protective-sister on Marius, and do it publicly, then there is only Magnus left before it's curtains for the NRF.

Ingrid has not exactly shown any urge to emerge from her duties and say or do anything about anything. (And she’s an adult. She could. S&H would know.)

I would worry about her (and Magnus) loving him. Because that’s hard. Not protecting him.

 

[Blog Real]

Ingrid has not exactly shown any urge to emerge from her duties and say or do anything about anything. (And she’s an adult. She could. S&H would know.)

I would worry about her (and Magnus) loving him. Because that’s hard. Not protecting him.

Marius is a problem, and I believe Ingrid and Sverre Magnus know this perfectly. Of course they love him, after all they are brothers, and it must be difficult for them to deal with this situation.
The problem with the royal family is that they didn't know how to deal with this situation, nor did the King impose himself and there was no one making decisions about what to do.
The situation has become unsustainable and we will see what will happen in the next few days...

 

[Muhler]

About the new victim: The police believe Marius assaulted a woman in her 20s in her own apartment in Oslo - early in the morning on Palm Sunday this year, VG is informed.
When the police arrested Marius, the woman from the Frogner incident was in the car with him. The police have also expanded the charges against this woman. The police believe that Marius abused her physically and mentally for nine months, from January to September this year.
The police have also issued a report for driving without a valid driving licence.

Opplysninger til VG: Siktet for voldtekt - i fornærmedes hjem

Politiet mener Marius Borg Høiby (27) forgrep seg mot en kvinne i 20-årene i hennes egen leilighet i Oslo - tidlig om morgenen på palmesøndag i år, får VG opplyst.

www.vg.no

That is interesting!
The woman, in her 20s, did not know Marius. She did not know his friends. She was not in his social circle at all.

(…)

 

[kalnel]

Haakon cannot be blamed for Marius' behaviors.
I believe the monarchy will survive. But the NRF needs to overcome this difficult litmus test. I want to see Haakon as King of Norway.
At the moment the focus has to be Haakon/Ingrid/Sverre/Harald/Sonja.
Make Marius, Martha Louise and Durek "disappear."
I don't know what else to say about Mette-Marit.

King Harald V is 87 years old and this Marius situation has to be resolved as quickly as possible. I hope that in 2025 this case will be resolved.

I wonder if this situation might prompt King Harald to make a surprise abdication, maybe at New Year's, similar to Queen Margrethe's. It might be the most effective way to ensure that Haakon takes the throne -- and keeps the monarchy in place -- before public opinion turns even worse.

It sure it. A desperate day in fact.
And that is a major weakness of the NRF. In its present form, it's a young monarchy and as there are few NRF members, there are no spares left. Because the only alternative is ML, who is married to a self-professed reptile who can twist atoms. And ML herself is busy having conversations with angels. So she can't take over should Haakon and MM become unacceptable, not even as a kind of semi-regent while Ingrid study and prepare herself and try how it is to be young before taking over in earnest.
What used to be the major strength of the NRF, that they were and acted so normal, is now a major weakness.
Because a head of state who is and acts pretty normal, could just as well be a president.
Norway has been labeled a hereditary republic in the way the monarchy there has worked.

The entire NRF needs to totally distancing themselves from Marius. He's an adult, treat him as an adult.
No more "cleaning" his place up for him.
No more diplomatic passport.
No more money.
No free home.
No free car.
No more shopping with mammy. He can go to a second hand store if he want stuff.
No more family photos with Marius.
No more pulling strings for Marius.
Not even a whisper in sympathy of Marius.
He is poison!

The NRF have a responsibility for Norway, for the monarchy and their dynasty.
They have a responsibility for the one who has to pick up the pieces of this mess for real; Ingrid.
And Haakon and MM have a responsibility for Magnus and Ingrid, their other children, lest they forget.

One case of abuse against a woman, is cause for doubt.
Two cases is most unfortunate.
But four cases is a pattern.
If I were responsible for the security of the NRF I would strip-search Marius each and every time he was anywhere near the NRF, if I could possible get away with it. He is IMO on a self-destructive path and I would not dare rule out anything.

As for MM, she ought to move out of sight and mind, preferably to a cabin somewhere on a mountain, there she can lament her son. Because "little Marius" is gone. Long gone.
Marius is now so far out that the only one who can "save" Marius now, is Marius himself.

During these past few months I have often thought: What must Ingrid think? As a sister, a girl, a woman. She has lost a brother whom she was obviously fond of. Instead she is left with a monster, an abuser of women, a possible rapist. In what state of mind is she in right now? And how will she view Marius in the future?
That's a crucial question! Because if Ingrid too go protective-sister on Marius, and do it publicly, then there is only Magnus left before it's curtains for the NRF.

I hope neither Ingrid nor Magnus has inherited their mother's or brother's horrible judgment and relaxed attitude about mingling with criminals and taking drugs.

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I'm a little perplexed about the restraining order. If the woman whose safety was the reason the police issued the order keeps connecting with Marius by choice, it's hard to see that has him violating the order.

 

[fabaunty]

Haakon cannot be blamed for Marius' behaviors.
I believe the monarchy will survive. But the NRF needs to overcome this difficult litmus test. I want to see Haakon as King of Norway.
At the moment the focus has to be Haakon/Ingrid/Sverre/Harald/Sonja.
Make Marius, Martha Louise and Durek "disappear."
I don't know what else to say about Mette-Marit.

King Harald V is 87 years old and this Marius situation has to be resolved as quickly as possible. I hope that in 2025 this case will be resolved.

I must respectfully disagree that Haakon cannot be blamed for Marius's behaviours . No , obviously he is not totally to blame . However he has as far as anyone can tell , been the primary male role model for Marius for at least a year before his marriage to MM . We have no idea what if any part , [ aside from a couple of pictures ], his biological father played in his life . So we cannot say what effect he might have had . What we can say is that Haakon's position , and MM's marriage to him has enabled Marius to pursue a life of ease , with no responsibilities , aside from turning up sober at the occasional family/public function . His connection to the CP couple caused the press , especially after MM's letter ,to turn a blind eye to his behaviour . As to MM , Haakon ,[ as demonstrated today in his remark about her to the press , ditching an official meeting etc ] , well she is his priority , not safeguarding the throne, or the legacy of his parent's endeavour's for Norway and its people . King Harald may be a frail 87yr old , but I doubt that either he or Queen Sonja can have failed to notice what a total mess Marius was becoming , Neither of them appear that naive . We all hope the case will be resolved quickly , with not only the women concerned , but Marius himself getting the help they need .

 

[Royalist.in.NC]

Haakon sounds like such a wimp in his comments. He needs to be home with Mommy MM to tell him everything will be okay, boohoo.

I wonder if it's intentional or just poetic justice that H & MM are separated when this latest, extremely serious, accusation is brought to light. I'm reminded of 100 years ago when Nicky & Alix were separated (he at the front, she at home) when he was forced to abdicate. Both couples are weak men influenced by willful, misguided women.

These latest accusations make me wonder what else is out there waiting to be brought to light. I hope they do decide to hold him, he shouldn't be allowed to leave the country at this point, or tamper with evidence any further. All the shopping trips with his mother make me very suspicious that the two of them are tampering with &/or destroying evidence. Weren't they seen with a mattress topper on one such trip? Not to be gross, but that is something that could contain evidence of a sexual assault.

MM can't be prosecuted, but she needs to have some consequences for her enabling behavior. And she needs to be made to stay away from her son because she is a bad influence IMO. He doesn't need mommy enabling his behavior and telling him she'll protect him. I really hope they keep him in jail where he isn't a flight risk and a threat to others.

Really interesting observation about Marius being arrested with Haakon out of the country thus separated from MM similarly to Nicholas and Alexandra. Somewhere in all of this I (think) I read that Marius was supposed to start inpatient treatment today - in the UK, correct? I cannot imagine that happening without Haakon to physically be there to take him. Also I wonder if the police knew he was supposed to go to rehab today (Tuesday) so he was arrested last night while he was still in the country.

So now four women (two previous girlfriends, most recent ex girlfriend whose place he trashed in August but who keeps returning/staying in touch with her abuser, and now someone who has had no contact with him except for being raped (!) in the spring) have accused Marius. Unbelievable, but there are probably more.

So they are finally holding him while they are still investigating- finally! I can imagine that some police officers who knew lots that was hidden/hushed up/thrown out are going to make darn sure that the charges stick this time - as they should.

I know nothing about the penal system in Norway but it sounds like a combination of jail time and rehab for Marius, plus restitution for his victims could lead to justice being served. I’ve also wondered if the police/intelligence services are using Marius in some way to catch bigger fish. I could certainly see Marius throwing his criminal friends under the bus to lesson his consequences if deals are possible in Norway .

What an incredible nightmare for the victims, the NRF, and Norwegians as a whole!

Thanks for this Muhler (and Lady Finn for all the updates) - I was about to ask for some kind of summary because I lost track within this sorry saga.
Latest thoughts: good to see Marius behind bars (for now, at least) and the CP couple keeps pushing the self destruct button.

Yes, I agree! Thanks to Muhler and to Lady Finn - I can barely keep up with this so your summaries are so helpful

I wonder if this situation might prompt King Harald to make a surprise abdication, maybe at New Year's, similar to Queen Margrethe's. It might be the most effective way to ensure that Haakon takes the throne -- and keeps the monarchy in place -- before public opinion turns even worse.




I hope neither Ingrid nor Magnus has inherited their mother's or brother's horrible judgment and relaxed attitude about mingling with criminals and taking drugs.


I'm a little perplexed about the restraining order. If the woman whose safety was the reason the police issued the order keeps connecting with Marius by choice, it's hard to see that has him violating the order.

Yes, in the US (my state at least), if the person who took out the restraining order initiates seeing the person with the restraining order, there is no violation. I’m not a lawyer (am a counselor) but unfortunately received many, many of these from the local authorities to let us at school know what was going on with parents of our young children and who could be in the same room with whom….