Marius Borg Høiby News & Current Events Part 1: December 2023 -

[Kataryn]

Pictures or it didn't happen - have we some for their outing in the shopping mall? I can't imagine Charles and Camilla doing such an outing - is is common for the Scandinavian Royals?

 

[Hans-Rickard]

I don't know what they're doing, but these moves strike me as unwise for the CP couple. I wonder how the Norwegian people feel about Haakon suddenly dropping his duties, especially while acting as regent, to go anywhere with Marius right now. Do the Scandinavian posters think the public would see this as him being a good father or a bad regent? (Or does anyone pay attention?)

And with all the media scrutiny Mette-Marit is under, having her on duty for some things, then off duty the same week, seems more like she's cherry-picking her work than tending to her illness. Is she only out sick for events when the media might get close enough to ask a question about the Marius situation?

I honestly think most norwegians don’t care about this trip nearly as much as we do on this forum for example… The one engagement of importance cancelled was that for the county governors, and that was obviously done with the Crown Princess as the sole host… That is not neccessarily something wrong in my book… It is something she should be expected to be able tp handle in the abasence of her husband… Same goes for Prince Daniel in Sweden

If anything, it shows how understaffed the Norwegian RF currently is…

King Harald also returned to Norway on thursday evening, and took the State Council Meeting yesterday just as normal, so there was not many hours of a Government-Regency anyway…

What people may start to wonder if Mette-Marit suddenly turns up for a few indoor engagements here and there, and then is gone again when there is no indoor-engagements in the calendar, is indeed if she is deliberately choosing away engagements where she will have to face journalists….

Pictures or it didn't happen - have we some for their outing in the shopping mall? I can't imagine Charles and Camilla doing such an outing - is is common for the Scandinavian Royals?

Yes it happens in all 3 scandinavian royal houses

 

[Archduchess Zelia]

Pictures or it didn't happen - have we some for their outing in the shopping mall? I can't imagine Charles and Camilla doing such an outing - is is common for the Scandinavian Royals?

Absolutely. In their own countries and abroad. Every Christmas, QMII travels to London to purchase her Christmas gifts.

 

[Alisa]

Maybe I missed it, but I don't recall reading that there was a search warrant for the phone.

To me the actions of law enforcement do not square with them deeming the SIM card a crucial piece of evidence. If it was a crucial piece of evidence you are stating...

Yes, I encourage you to go back and read earlier articles and threads on the matter. Google Translate along with Lady Finn's article summaries are very helpful and informative. Perhaps when you read for yourself that search warrant was requested for the phone you will come to the same conclusion that I did.

 

[Queen Claude]

Yes, I encourage you to go back and read earlier articles and threads on the matter. Google Translate along with Lady Finn's article summaries are very helpful and informative. Perhaps when you read for yourself that search warrant was requested for the phone you will come to the same conclusion that I did.

In my original draft my second sentece was, "I suppose that they could have [had] a warrant as standard operating procedure when questioning a suspect." but I edited it out.

I do not draw the same conclusion for the reasons stated in my post, if it was deemed crucial information and they had no other means to access the data, then Mette-Marit and anyone else who was with Marius or in his house in that 33 minute window would've been questioned, and his house searched.

Bear in mind what the police had in front of them on August 4-5, Marius was accused of physically assaulting his then partner. Marius was contacted by law enforcement and was allowed to surrender himself at a nearby school. I assume that these days confiscating a phone is standard operating procedure like taking finger prints, mug shots and search warrants for relevant locations. What would be deemed crucial evidence at that juncture? If Marius denied that he was even at the apartment, that would be one thing, and the phone info would be crucial evidence to establish his whereabouts, but that is a hypothetical.

As stated previously I think that the missing SIM card is a very bad thing in terms of optics and scandal, but there is no indication that it was crucial evidence that requires Marius' mother getting arrested.

 

[LadyFinn]

Mette Yvonne Larsen, the lawyer of the third victim, gave an interview to Aftenposten, which other medias quote. She wants Mette-Marit to be questioned.
- I think it could have been useful, but I have no faith that it will happen.
Larsen believes Mette-Marit's phone call with the offended woman after the Frogner episode was meant to help.
Mette-Marit has involved herself in the criminal case: She contacted the third victim after the incident of violence against her, notified Marius that he was to be arrested before the police contacted him and then went to Marius' house and cleaned, before driving him out so the police could arrest him.
Larsen says the royal family could have been more open in handling the case, and is tight-lipped about Mette-Marit's alleged notification of the arrest.
- There is a lot I could say here. But I choose to say that it is unusual.

Mette Yvonne Larsen: – Som mann er du satt i sjakkmat hvis du blir anklaget for voldtekt

Mette Yvonne Larsen er ikke redd for å bli upopulær i debattene. Den profilerte advokaten er overbevist om at det sitter flere unge, uskyldige voldtektsdømte menn i norske fengsler.

www.aftenposten.no

- Ingen tro på at det skjer

Bistandsadvokat Mette Yvonne Larsen ønsker avhør av Mette-Marit, og mener kongefamilien kunne vært mer åpen i håndteringen av Høiby-saken.

www.dagbladet.no

Tror ikke Mette-Marit vil bli avhørt: – Kunne vært nyttig

Bistandsadvokat Mette Yvonne Larsen mener kongefamilien kunne vært mer åpen i håndteringen av Høiby-saken.

www.nettavisen.no

 

[Alisa]

In my original draft my second sentece was, "I suppose that they could have [had] a warrant as standard operating procedure when questioning a suspect." but I edited it out.

I do not draw the same conclusion for the reasons stated in my post, if it was deemed crucial information and they had no other means to access the data, then Mette-Marit and anyone else who was with Marius or in his house in that 33 minute window would've been questioned, and his house searched.

Bear in mind what the police had in front of them on August 4-5, Marius was accused of physically assaulting his then partner. Marius was contacted by law enforcement and was allowed to surrender himself at a nearby school. I assume that these days confiscating a phone is standard operating procedure like taking finger prints, mug shots and search warrants for relevant locations. What would be deemed crucial evidence at that juncture? If Marius denied that he was even at the apartment, that would be one thing, and the phone info would be crucial evidence to establish his whereabouts, but that is a hypothetical.

As stated previously I think that the missing SIM card is a very bad thing in terms of optics and scandal, but there is no indication that it was crucial evidence that requires Marius' mother getting arrested.

A search warrant was obtained for Marius' phone. Not for his car or his place of residence-Skaugum. His phone. The police believed that the phone had crucial evidence hence the search warrant.
Marius denies removing or destroying the SIM card and the only other person he places on the scene was his mother who was "tidying up". The police wanted the phone and its contents for evidence. Now the phone is destroyed and SIM card conveniently missing. That's obstruction of justice and tampering with evidence. The Crown Princess has some explaining to do!

 

[Ghost]

A search warrant was obtained for Marius' phone. Not for his car or his place of residence-Skaugum. His phone. The police believed that the phone had crucial evidence hence the search warrant.
Marius denies removing or destroying the SIM card and the only other person he places on the scene was his mother who was "tidying up". The police wanted the phone and its contents for evidence. Now the phone is destroyed and SIM card conveniently missing. That's obstruction of justice and tampering with evidence. The Crown Princess has some explaining to do!

At the time it was too early to consider something “crucial”. And I don’t believe Marius. I believe he smashed his phone and flushed the SIM and he knows his mother will cover him.

The thing is that most of the info from the phone is retrievable.

 

[fabaunty]

At the time it was too early to consider something “crucial”. And I don’t believe Marius. I believe he smashed his phone and flushed the SIM and he knows his mother will cover him.

The thing is that most of the info from the phone is retrievable.

Frankly I'm
sorry to say , nothing Marius says can be believed . He knows perfectly well that MM will sacrifice not only herself , but the entire NRF to allow him to escape the consequences of his own actions . She and Haakon are firmly in the camp, that it was their marriage ,that has led to any behaviour that Marius displays . He is not only her blind-spot , but the black hole she is deliberately pushing the NRF towards in order to protect him . I'm sure they have had him in treatment programmes over the past years , but you cannot " save " someone , who does not want to be "saved ". I have no doubt that she loves Haakon , and their joint children , but Marius is her focus , her true love . I truly feel she will go to her grave [ hopefully not anytime soon ] , blaming herself for any of his actions . She will never hold Marius to account .

 

[FigTree]

They are a family with a member of the family who has some history and combination of: abuse, addiction, mental health issues. How you hold people to account I don't know. A family's power is limited once a child is grown up if they choose not to listen. If he's in rehab it's an excellent start.

The law should hold him account for wrong doing.

This is a family going through a turbulent time. Let's see if a anyone else would have done it better.

 

[Snowangel]

In 2017, Mette-Marit wrote an open letter about Marius to the press. Now, seven years later, Se og Hør's editor-in-chief Ulf André Andersen writes a letter to her son. Andersen believes Marius deserves unconditional imprisonment. It's an interesting letter to read with Google translator.

Some things about the letter:
We left you alone, and although rumors of a debauched party life reached us more and more often, we thought okay. We did just as your mother wanted. Today we see the result. It is not certain that full freedom was the best.
I don't know if your friends have given life-wise advice or if you have all laughed boyishly and mockingly at both the offended, interrogation, restraining order, weapons, drugs and arrest. But I hope the seriousness has sunk in.
(..)

Du fortjener å sitte i fengsel

I 2017 skrev kronprinsesse Mette-Marit et åpent brev om Marius til pressen. Nå, syv år senere, skriver Se og Hørs Ulf André Andersen brev til hennes sønn.

www.seher.no

That letter is a big joke! First when Se og Hør started to write about Marius' case, they stated that the Norwegian people needed to know! What a loads of rubbish, the only reason he ended up on the front page, is because he is MM's son, and nothing else. And the letter... Se og Hør or the editor-in-chief, do not care about Marius at all, for them it's all about selling magazines. It is just so sad

 

[Kataryn]

That letter is a big joke! First when Se og Hør started to write about Marius' case, they stated that the Norwegian people needed to know! What a loads of rubbish, the only reason he ended up on the front page, is because he is MM's son, and nothing else. And the letter... Se og Hør or the editor-in-chief, do not care about Marius at all, for them it's all about selling magazines. It is just so sad

But he did something that the Norwegians could be informed about, that was news-worthy. I wonder if the tabloids knew something before that that was information, but not justifiable in Court and did not print it? But it was necessary to print once it got so far! But now the papers should let it be , let the police work, let the CP couply trying to repair things and justice going its way. Not make more scandal, when nothing is happening. IMHo, of course.

 

[fabaunty]

But he did something that the Norwegians could be informed about, that was news-worthy. I wonder if the tabloids knew something before that that was information, but not justifiable in Court and did not print it? But it was necessary to print once it got so far! But now the papers should let it be , let the police work, let the CP couply trying to repair things and justice going its way. Not make more scandal, when nothing is happening. IMHo, of course.

Um , it's already been stated by Marius himself that he knew that his behaviour would not be reported in the press . It is now public that the press knew, that there was online public information regarding theft from the CP couples home , potentially fatal driving by Marius on the CP couples estate etc . I'm sure more will come out ,now that the press has been forced by the courage of his former partner into admitting its complicity with MM in covering up Marius's behaviour . The papers are of course now going to make headlines about Marius , they are trying to repair their previous role in the cover up of his behaviour. The press of any country is always sanctimonious in such cases . As to letting the CP couple "repair" things , well ,MM calling the woman her son has admitted abusing , "cleaning his home " , during which his phone became damaged , and the sim card disappeared , [ which of course Marius has no explanation for] , I'm not sure I would say the CP couple are repairing anything . As to justice going its way , well Marius has already admitted abusing his latest partner , of course he is innocent until proven guilty of the abuse his former partners have now accused him of . I hope, if he has now actually entered therapy , he will benefit from it . Sometimes you just have to cut the rotten apple out as in GB with Andrew and harry .

 

[Alondra]

Not commenting while Haakon during a regency leaves the country is again bad optics.

It may be bad optics but completely necessary.

Marius is an addict to drugs and alcohol. I don't know if many of you know much about addictions but they are beyond horrible for any family to treat, approach or get results. It truly doesn't matter if you are a royal, billionaire, or working class. You may have more money to get better treatments but it doesn't guarantee better results.

I've seen in my own family what the addiction to alcohol can do to the personality of a wonderful man, gentle and caring. He became an abusive, aggressive monster, only caring where he could get his next drink. He died at 42 of a heart attack but by that time, he had full blown liver cirrhosis and would have died in the following year anyway. He had rehab, medical treatments and our full support. We still couldn't stop his addiction.

The royal family in Norway have a double problem. A personal one and the institutional role for being the highest in the land.

As a family, they are dealing with a double whammy as well. Not only Marius is an addict but Mette has an incredible serious health condition - a pulmonary fibrosis without cure that will most likely require a lung transplant in the future. Add to this her son's addictions and you get a family in serious crisis.

I've always blamed the Royal House for not ringfencing the institution against their personal problems. But frankly, sometimes as a mom and human being, I think their position is beyond awful. Not only are they dealing with difficult health issues but being who they are, the press is making it much more difficult for them. A press that sat tight about Marius for years, saying nothing, and now is having a field day selling stories while asking for responsibilities they didn't give a **** about in the past.

 

[fabaunty]

First my condolences on your families experience , it is certainly not an easy subject to go public with . As I have said I'm sure MM and Haakon have ,[ hopefully with his birth fathers input ], I am sure placed Marius in several rounds of therapy , sadly , none of which have worked . They have also been raising two other children , presumably sheltering them as much as possible from Marius's behaviour . As to the press , well , yes , at MM's behest , they did not publicise his behaviour even though they had the information . So I am not surprised that they are now picking up on every little item i.e Haakon not attending a planned meeting , and leaving the country when Regent . Frankly what did the NRF expect ? MM garnered a lot of sympathy, understandably, once her diagnosis was made public . Two young children , a beloved husband , a young woman being diagnosed with a life limiting illness . However the press , having now been outed as complicit in covering up Marius's action's will not stop . I totally understand the CP couple not commenting when on public assignments as to the current investigation into the subsequent claims by the previous partners , however the royal court pr unit has handled this situation , as badly as they have the ML and "shaman "situation . They seriously need to employ some professionals . Did the CP couple, really think that they could "fly under the radar " in this situation ? Especially with Marius throwing his mother under the bus regarding his phone . As it is, at the moment only Haakon , Queen Sonja are full time working royals , with MM and King Harald at best part time , a lot of pressure . Personally I think Haakon has done a great job as CP , but the current situation , is going to be tough to get through . He needs some new advisors , one's that he will listen to .

 

[kalnel]

First my condolences on your families experience , it is certainly not an easy subject to go public with . As I have said I'm sure MM and Haakon have ,[ hopefully with his birth fathers input ], I am sure placed Marius in several rounds of therapy , sadly , none of which have worked . They have also been raising two other children , presumably sheltering them as much as possible from Marius's behaviour . As to the press , well , yes , at MM's behest , they did not publicise his behaviour even though they had the information . So I am not surprised that they are now picking up on every little item i.e Haakon not attending a planned meeting , and leaving the country when Regent . Frankly what did the NRF expect ? MM garnered a lot of sympathy, understandably, once her diagnosis was made public . Two young children , a beloved husband , a young woman being diagnosed with a life limiting illness . However the press , having now been outed as complicit in covering up Marius's action's will not stop . I totally understand the CP couple not commenting when on public assignments as to the current investigation into the subsequent claims by the previous partners , however the royal court pr unit has handled this situation , as badly as they have the ML and "shaman "situation . They seriously need to employ some professionals . Did the CP couple, really think that they could "fly under the radar " in this situation ? Especially with Marius throwing his mother under the bus regarding his phone . As it is, at the moment only Haakon , Queen Sonja are full time working royals , with MM and King Harald at best part time , a lot of pressure . Personally I think Haakon has done a great job as CP , but the current situation , is going to be tough to get through . He needs some new advisors , one's that he will listen to .

I don’t think it’s accurate to say the media is “complicit” in anything. Mette Marie openly and publicly asked for them to leave Marius in peace, and they did, until he was arrested, which is a development on the public record.

There’s no “cover up.” As a person without royal obligations, Marius can live his life as he chooses — including making terrible choices, if he wants — and the public has no right to know, nor does the media have an obligation to report it.

What does become a public matter is whether the Crown Prince couple’s actions related to Marius compromised their position and whether they demonstrate good judgment.

Allowing members of a criminal biker gang in their home is bad judgment.

Permitting people to use a stolen credit card is careless financial management.

Allowing disreputable people in your home and near your minor children is irresponsible.

Calling the woman your son is accused of abusing is bad judgment, even though it may have come from the best of intentions.

Abandoning the job to act as regent — your only professional obligation — to handle a “personal matter” suggests a problem with priorities.

Getting involved in any of this when you have a personal history with drugs and criminals, including Jeffrey Epstein, suggests a pattern of alarmingly bad judgment.

 

[Muhler]

And it's getting worse.

- Varslet kronprinsparet om mishandling

Marius Borg Høiby etterforskes for mishandling i nære relasjoner mot Juliane Snekkestad og en annen ekskjæreste. Snekkestad skal ha varslet kronprinsparet allerede i 2023.

www.dagbladet.no

Juliane Snekkestad varslet kronprinsparet om mishandling i januar 2023

Politiet har siktet Marius Borg Høiby for mishandling av Juliane Snekkestad. Hun informerte kronprinsparet om det samme i januar 2023, viser Aftenpostens dokumentasjon.

www.aftenposten.no

Marius Borg Høibys ekskæreste advarede kronprinsparret allerede sidste år: 'Der blev ikke fulgt op'

I januar 2023 landede en besked hos det norske kronprinspar. Den handlede om Marius Borg Høiby. Om hans aggressioner. Om hans voldelige adfærd.

www.bt.dk

Juliane Snekkestad has told the Norwegian press, who also have seen the message, that she informed Mette Marit in a text message (SMS) that was also addressed to Haakon back in January 2023 about Marius abusive and violent behavior towards her.
She also told about practical and economic problems in regards to their break-up, which took place in 2022. (I don't know what that means, but I guess it could be something about mortgage or rent and other bills as well as personal possession belonging to Juliane Snekkestad.
She got a sympathetic reply but otherwise nothing.

Juliane Snekkestad's lawyer confirms the text message was send and also the content, which has now also been seen by the journalists at the newspaper Aftenposten. (Paywall.)

- I think it's safe to say that more details will emerge over the next few days.
If correct that Juliane Snekkestand, in writing, called out for help to the CP-Couple specifically mentioning Marius abusive behavior towards her, (A young women they had known for several years.) and they did nothing, then they have a serious problem on their hands! - MM more so because she has been an advocate for abused women. How can she possibly continue being a patron for that? She turned down a cry for help from an abused woman.
And Haakon, he too must have read the text message - and he did... (Crickets...)
The most logic reason and also the reason that puts the CP-Couple in a semblance of reasonably good light, is that they simply didn't/refused to believe Snekkastad. But only if they were totally ignorant about Marius behavior towards Snekkastad prior to January 2023. If it emerges that the have been told/warned/had seen Marius being abusive before this text message, they have a really serious problem on their hands!

ADDED:
Snekkestad's lawyer, Petter Grødem confirms the text message:
"That's correct but I will not go into details about the content. What I can say is that it was her wish to tell them (the CP-Couple) the truth and to prevent something like that from happening again. That was part of it."


How did the CP-Couple respond?
Grødem: "She experienced that it was not followed up."

The NRF PR-chief Guri Varpe says: "As it is an ongoing case that is being handled in the justice-system, it does not seem right to comment on statements in the media.
We are confident that the police and the justice-system will handle it in a good way."

 

[LadyFinn]

And it's getting worse.

- Varslet kronprinsparet om mishandling

Marius Borg Høiby etterforskes for mishandling i nære relasjoner mot Juliane Snekkestad og en annen ekskjæreste. Snekkestad skal ha varslet kronprinsparet allerede i 2023.

www.dagbladet.no

Juliane Snekkestad varslet kronprinsparet om mishandling i januar 2023

Politiet har siktet Marius Borg Høiby for mishandling av Juliane Snekkestad. Hun informerte kronprinsparet om det samme i januar 2023, viser Aftenpostens dokumentasjon.

www.aftenposten.no

Marius Borg Høibys ekskæreste advarede kronprinsparret allerede sidste år: 'Der blev ikke fulgt op'

I januar 2023 landede en besked hos det norske kronprinspar. Den handlede om Marius Borg Høiby. Om hans aggressioner. Om hans voldelige adfærd.

www.bt.dk

Juliane Snekkestad has told the Norwegian press, who also have seen the message, that she informed Mette Marit in a text message (SMS) that was also addressed to Haakon back in January 2023 about Marius abusive and violent behavior towards her.
She also told about practical and economic problems in regards to their break-up, which took place in 2022. (I don't know what that means, but I guess it could be something about mortgage or rent and other bills as well as personal possession belonging to Juliane Snekkestad.
She got a sympathetic reply but otherwise nothing.

Juliane Snekkestad's lawyer confirms the text message was send and also the content, which has now also been seen by the journalists at the newspaper Aftenposten. (Paywall.)

- I think it's safe to say that more details will emerge over the next few days.
If correct that Juliane Snekkestand, in writing, called out for help to the CP-Couple specifically mentioning Marius abusive behavior towards her, (A young women they had known for several years.) and they did nothing, then they have a serious problem on their hands! - MM more so because she has been an advocate for abused women. How can she possibly continue being a patron for that? She turned down a cry for help from an abused woman.
And Haakon, he too must have read the text message - and he did... (Crickets...)

A lot of articles will surely come up.
Snekkestad's lawyer said to Nettavisen:
- She sent the message because she wanted to bring out the truth in this relationship and prevent something like this from happening again. That was one of the reasons, but also due to practical reasons.
Police prosecutor Andreas Kruszewski writes in an email to Aftenposten:
- We have no comments on this now and may have to come back.

Juliane Snekkestad varslet kronprinsparet om mishandling

Marius Borg Høibys ekskjæreste skal ha varslet kronprinsparet om mishandling av Marius Borg Høiby.

www.nettavisen.no

Aftenposten: Juliane Snekkestad varslet kronprinsparet

Ifølge Aftenposten skal ekskjæresten til Marius Borg Høiby i januar 2023 ha varslet kronprins Haakon og kronprinsesse Mette-Marit om mishandling.

www.vg.no

Haakon has a work event on November 14, the Norwegian press will surely try to get information when Haakon and Mette-Marit (and Marius?) return from London.

Danish media today are writing (can't find the links right now) that the Norwegian PM was notified of Haakon excusing himself for not being able to act as Regent, with only a few hours of warning.
Haakon excusing himself from anything is BTW most unusual.

- To me that suggests that Haakon had managed to get through to Marius and once that was accomplished, he hurled Marius and himself on the first plane to UK to get him to a detox-center. The big question of course being, why was MM and Marius seen shopping, when Marius really ought to be in the detox-center?
So, was there another reason for this most sudden departure?

Yes, I posted about the news in Norwegian press that the Prime Minister's office was notified by phone on Thursday morning that the Crown Prince Regent would go abroad:

Marius Borg Høiby News & Current Events Part 1: December 2023 -

By the way, destroying a SIM card is actually quite useless, as the police can just get a duplicate from the service provider, there is surprisingly few data on it. And, usually, professional data recovery is quite good with destroyed phones. So, even if they did destroy the phone and SIM the...

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Snekkestad's lawyer Petter J. Grødem has previously come out and confirmed that they have asked the Oslo Police District to summon Mette Marit for questioning.
What do you know about whether that will happen?
- What I have received signals about is that the police have not made up their minds, and that it will not be decided anytime soon, says Grødem.

Aftenposten: Høiby-eks varslet kronprinsparet om mishandling

Marius Borg Høiby er siktet for blant annet mishandling av ekskjæresten Juliane Snekkestad. Hun varslet kronprinsparet om mishandlingen i januar 2023, sier bistandsadvokaten.

www.tv2.no

It's not known what Haakon and Mette-Marit are supposed to have done with the information they received from Juliane Snekkestad. According to Norwegian law, neither of them have any statutory duty to report the accusations.
Lawyer and professor at the Faculty of Law Mads Andenæs explains that people in close relationships aren't obliged to report violence in the family to the police. This applies to close relatives such as parents, siblings and cohabitants. He adds that there is also no obligation to testify to the police or in court in such cases.
The general manager of the Crisis Center Secretariat Ane Fossum points out that even if you don't have a duty to report to the police, everyone has a duty to try to prevent serious criminal offences.
- We all have a duty to prevent if there is a danger to life and health. This means that you have a duty to act. You can contact professionals for advice if you don't want to go directly to the police.
Kronprinsparet ble varslet om Marius' vold. Ikke pliktig til å melde i fra Nettavisen

 

[Muhler]

Danish media today are writing (can't find the links right now) that the Norwegian PM was notified of Haakon excusing himself for not being able to act as Regent, with only a few hours of warning.
Haakon excusing himself from anything is BTW most unusual.

- To me that suggests that Haakon had managed to get through to Marius and once that was accomplished, he hurled Marius and himself on the first plane to UK to get him to a detox-center. The big question of course being, why was MM and Marius seen shopping, when Marius really ought to be in the detox-center?
So, was there another reason for this most sudden departure?

 

[kalnel]

That’s a kind of irresponsibility that’s the real problem here. Haakon has ONE JOB, and he only has to do it a few days at a time.

 

[Prinsara]

The big question of course being, why was MM and Marius seen shopping, when Marius really ought to be in the detox-center?

Just because he’s presumably agreed to enter rehab doesn’t mean instant intake the second you enter the country. The place may be preparing his space. Additionally, maybe Marius needs some essentials for the next whatever days, especially since they left so quickly.

Finally, since he and MM are accustomed to go shopping together, perhaps getting whatever might be needed is simply a more normalizing thing at what is probably a stressful moment for them both. It’s not that weird.

 

[Muhler]

Just because he’s presumably agreed to enter rehab doesn’t mean instant intake the second you enter the country. The place may be preparing his space. Additionally, maybe Marius needs some essentials for the next whatever days, especially since they left so quickly.

Finally, since he and MM are accustomed to go shopping together, perhaps getting whatever might be needed is simply a more normalizing thing at what is probably a stressful moment for them both. It’s not that weird.

I would agree with you if Marius was going to a rehab a month ago. That is as soon as it was possible due to the (somewhat lethargic) police investigation.
But I more than suspect Marius to be very reluctant to commit himself to any treatment. Hence Haakon's most peculiar absence as Regent with a very short notice. I.e. Haakon moved as fast as possible, before Marius could change his mind, come up with excuses or simply vanish.
Well, that at least is my pet-theory right now.

And if Marius needed a toothbrush and an extra set of underwear I'm sure his mother could buy them for him, without dragging Marius along and instead hand what necessities were bought over to the rehab-center.

The sooner Marius is in a rehab center, preferably behind lock and key and located in a remote place, the better - also for Marius himself.
But let's see if Marius isn't back in the Oslo nightlife already next week. If so, Haakon has some explaining to do. And another question pops up: Is there any agreement within the NRF on how to handle Marius?

 

[Lady Daly]

The clock has been ticking since Aug 4. It's now Nov 10. Where are Marius and the CP couple?

 

[fabaunty]

I'm sorry , but there has totally been a "cover up ", with regard to the behaviour of Marius . I cannot imagine that even in liberal Norway an adult would have been allowed to facilitate the theft of property , frankly "attempted murder " , due to dangerous driving on NRF property , all the while being funded by the NRF , and faced no consequences . Because it's obvious , based on his published tax records that Marius has never earned enough to support his lifestyle , unless maybe his father / stepmother have contributed to him after , he became an "adult ". Absolutely both MM and Haakon have a responsibility to/ for Marius , but both have an equal responsibility to the Norwegian people , due to their position , by birth , and by choice . I would say, I cannot imagine how the NRF have found themselves in such a PR nightmare , if it was not for their past history of PR blunders . From ML's early involvement in a divorce case , to her subsequent "adventures ", excepting of course her late husbands tragic demise " . For that event total sympathy . I truly hope that if they have indeed persuaded Marius to again enter rehab , that this time , in his own words "he will take it seriously " , Not only for his own sake , but for his family , and any other woman he enters into a relationship with .

 

[kalnel]

I'm sorry , but there has totally been a "cover up ", with regard to the behaviour of Marius . I cannot imagine that even in liberal Norway an adult would have been allowed to facilitate the theft of property , frankly "attempted murder " , due to dangerous driving on NRF property , all the while being funded by the NRF , and faced no consequences . Because it's obvious , based on his published tax records that Marius has never earned enough to support his lifestyle , unless maybe his father / stepmother have contributed to him after , he became an "adult ". Absolutely both MM and Haakon have a responsibility to/ for Marius , but both have an equal responsibility to the Norwegian people , due to their position , by birth , and by choice . I would say, I cannot imagine how the NRF have found themselves in such a PR nightmare , if it was not for their past history of PR blunders . From ML's early involvement in a divorce case , to her subsequent "adventures ", excepting of course her late husbands tragic demise " . For that event total sympathy . I truly hope that if they have indeed persuaded Marius to again enter rehab , that this time , in his own words "he will take it seriously " , Not only for his own sake , but for his family , and any other woman he enters into a relationship with .

You're claiming "cover ups" occurred about things that are private matters, the details of which are total speculation.

If Marius crashed a car on his stepfather's private property and no one was hurt, that's a family matter. His sketchy friends may claim he almost hit a guard, but unless the guard filed a complaint that was quashed, there's nothing to cover up.

Same with money. We have no idea how Marius pays for his life, and that's his business. If his parents pay for him, that's their private business. Again, no cover up.

 

[Somebody]

Marius lives on a property that is protected by the Norwegian state security, so, anything related to him living there (and especially of him abusing that privilege) is of concern to the Norwegian tax payers.

 

[Muhler]

As I see it you have a moral duty to act, if you can, if anyone comes to you for help. - Whether you do or not is up to your own conscious.
In this case it was Juliane Snekkestad, a woman they had known for years. And if they know what she says is usually credible then MM and Haakon IMO had a moral duty to do something.
Snekkestad was after all saying: Your son is an addict, he has been abusing me and he has serious anger issues (or however she phrased it). And they basically responded with: Oh dear. How frightful. - And then did nothing.

I don't know if they could have reported him to the police, even in the remote possibility that they ever intended to.
But MM could have met up with Snekkestad and said: Okay, what's all this about?
She could have called Snekkestad.
They could have grabbed hold of Marius: Rehab! Now!!
They could have offered help or counseling or advise for their almost daughter-in-law of several years.
They could have kicked Marius out of Skaugum and cut off any funds they gave and taken his diplomatic passport: So you wanna be an abusive bad boy? Well, do it somewhere else and for your own money!
- That's what a normal Norwegian could have done. The CP-Couple in addition to that have contacts and shortcuts that could have made it possible to really grab Marius by the neck. As well as providing them with an excuse to do so.

Snekkestad wasn't some random stranger who knocked on the palace door saying: Help, I'm a poor mother of fourteen orphaned children who only have one pair of shoes between them, well, actually it's only a pair of shoelaces. And we all live in a rundown pigeon loft. That is, only when when the pigeons are away flying, then we sit on the roof.

I mean, come on. They knew Snekkestad, they knew Marius and his problems and on top of that MM is a vocal advocate for women who are abused. If she genuinely believed in what she is patron for, she would not have turned away Snekkestad as she basically did. She would at least have used her contacts to help.
- If having a standard is a good thing, then having a double-standard must be twice as good... (DK saying).

 

[Kataryn]

Did they really go shopping together in the UK? Were there pictures? If not, it didn't happen. My opinion, of course. And if my son's ex would send me an SMS complaining about abuse and (probably) asking for money, it's a question if I believe her or my son. I'll talk to him but I wouldn't go in between them. And I'm unknown to the press, not a CP. I would take note, yes, talk to my son but not doind something public.
I fully understand your stance, Muhler, and it would be great if everyone looked at abuse such, but I doubt the "normal" Scandi thinks like that. At least with reporting it to the police. I studied law and have seen so many cases where an accusation turned against the woman (think Trump and Epstein) and I can understand that a CP would do nothing in public. And privately? I don't have to believe Snekkestad, she could have asked for too much from them, who knows? We have only her one SMS and not the full picture. But I'm really hoping it goes to trial (or at least someone later writes a serious book about it!) and we can evaluate the things claimed then.

 

[kalnel]

As I see it you have a moral duty to act, if you can, if anyone comes to you for help. - Whether you do or not is up to your own conscious.
In this case it was Juliane Snekkestad, a woman they had known for years. And if they know what she says is usually credible then MM and Haakon IMO had a moral duty to do something.
Snekkestad was after all saying: Your son is an addict, he has been abusing me and he has serious anger issues (or however she phrased it). And they basically responded with: Oh dear. How frightful. - And then did nothing.

I don't know if they could have reported him to the police, even in the remote possibility that they ever intended to.
But MM could have met up with Snekkestad and said: Okay, what's all this about?
She could have called Snekkestad.
They could have grabbed hold of Marius: Rehab! Now!!
They could have offered help or counseling or advise for their almost daughter-in-law of several years.
They could have kicked Marius out of Skaugum and cut off any funds they gave and taken his diplomatic passport: So you wanna be an abusive bad boy? Well, do it somewhere else and for your own money!
- That's what a normal Norwegian could have done. The CP-Couple in addition to that have contacts and shortcuts that could have made it possible to really grab Marius by the neck. As well as providing them with an excuse to do so.

Snekkestad wasn't some random stranger who knocked on the palace door saying: Help, I'm a poor mother of fourteen orphaned children who only have one pair of shoes between them, well, actually it's only a pair of shoelaces. And we all live in a rundown pigeon loft. That is, only when when the pigeons are away flying, then we sit on the roof.

I mean, come on. They knew Snekkestad, they knew Marius and his problems and on top of that MM is a vocal advocate for women who are abused. If she genuinely believed in what she is patron for, she would not have turned away Snekkestad as she basically did. She would at least have used her contacts to help.
- If having a standard is a good thing, then having a double-standard must be twice as good... (DK saying).

For all we know, maybe they did react and send Marius to rehab and counseling. He said in his original statement that he has been several times, so maybe this triggered one of those visits.

The CP couple are in a tough spot on something like this. Had they reacted to the message directly, that could have prompted Snekkestad to go public and sell her story: "Haakon and Mette Marit Admit that Marius Has Mental Problems!" Or, if they'd tried to buy her off and she refused, that would have led to horrible headlines, too.

I'll bet their advisers told them to stay quiet, just as they have throughout this scandal. There's really nothing they can say, and if they try to explain themselves (or anything at this point), it will only make matters worse.

 

[Muhler]

For all we know, maybe they did react and send Marius to rehab and counseling. He said in his original statement that he has been several times, so maybe this triggered one of those visits.

The CP couple are in a tough spot on something like this. Had they reacted to the message directly, that could have prompted Snekkestad to go public and sell her story: "Haakon and Mette Marit Admit that Marius Has Mental Problems!" Or, if they'd tried to buy her off and she refused, that would have led to horrible headlines, too.

I'll bet their advisers told them to stay quiet, just as they have throughout this scandal. There's really nothing they can say, and if they try to explain themselves (or anything at this point), it will only make matters worse.

They may, we don't know. It sure didn't help if he indeed did go to rehab.
The point Snekkestad is making, and whether that is a contributing factor of her coming forward is an open question, is that she didn't feel she was heard. That she was ignored, that they didn't care about her as well presumably.
A family she knew well and had known for years.

It was a cry for help from a (an abused) woman they knew. It was also a warning and a call for them to do something about Marius. (We will no doubt eventually learn the content of the message, but that seems to be the gist of it.)

You can say: They are both adults and they should be able to work it out without interference from their parents. And you may indeed have a point. - If your son doesn't live (rent-free presumably) on your estate. If your son earn his own money. If your son doesn't have a diplomatic passport. If your son doesn't associate known criminals. If your son doesn't have a history of doing drugs and/or alcohol on an alarming scale. If your son and his unfortunate friends don't steal from you. If there isn't a real risk of your son dragging his half-siblings down with him. One of whom is destined to become head of state one day.
So again and again it boils down to: For heavens sake, do something!