Marius Borg Høiby News & Current Events Part 1: December 2023 -


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SLV said:
Perhaps Marius didn't push his mother under the bridge. Perhaps it was MM's idea, knowing the police would be hesitant to question her.
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That thought has crossed my mind as well, however we will, I believe, never know the answer to that question. Nor do I think we will ever know the truth as to whether MM did actively help Marius remove or destroy potential evidence - fortunately.
 
Last week, the police were asked to question Mette-Marit in the Marius case by Juliane Snekkestad's lawyer. The Oslo police will not say whether this is something they are considering or not.
- There is nothing new when it comes to this, writes press chief Unni T. Grøndal in an e-mail to Nettavisen.
But most Norwegians have no doubts: Mette-Marit should be called in for questioning.
This is the answer of 50,2 % of the respondents in a survey carried out by InFact for Nettavisen. 20,7 % says no and 29,1 % don't know.
www.nettavisen.no

Dette sier nordmenn om et politiavhør av kronprinsesse Mette-Marit

– Kongelige bør samarbeide med myndighetene.
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Crown Prince Regent Haakon cancelled a job event yesterday, which is highly unusual. Mette-Marit hosted alone a lunch for the state administrators at 14.00. According to the Palace's communications manager Guri Varpe, Haakon was prevented from attending the lunch due to "private reasons".
Se og Hør can reveal the likely reason for the cancellation. Passengers on board SK805 from Gardermoen to London could observe at 13.00 yesterday that Haakon entered the flight together with Marius. Why does Haakon travel with his bonus son to London when he has duties at home? According to what Se og Hør has reason to believe, he accompanied Marius to a rehab stay.
www.seher.no

Tok med Marius på rehab?

Torsdag ettermiddag meldte kronprins Haakon avbud på en jobb, svært ulikt ham. Nå kan Se og Hør avsløre hvorfor.
www.seher.no www.seher.no
 
DukeOfWashington said:
For whatever it's worth, it does seem MM is forging full steam ahead. Yes she has had sick leave. But she just hosted a lunch with the county governors at the Royal Palace on her own, Haakon didn't even attend (even though he was originally supposed to).
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Haakon didn't attend cos of private reasons.
 
Queen Claude said:
I agree that if it is "a crucial piece of evidence" then it needs to be pursued further but where is it indicated that this is a crucial piece of evidence?
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Yes the phone and its contents are a crucial piece of evidence. When Marius was arrested, the officers had a search warrant for the phone and as such they seized the phone with hopes of obtaining it contents. However the phone was damaged and the SIM card was missing. Now we have Marius in essence saying that SIM card disappeared while his mother was "tidying up".

So yes, the Crown Princess should be arrested and interrogated for tampering evidence and obstructing justice. She needs to provide answers about what happened to the SIM card!
 
Sure, that would be the case with you and me, not being royal. But, doesn't she have immunity because she is a member of the royal family. I know that even diplomats have immunity when it comes to crimes, which IMO is very controversial.
Can she be arrested and interrogated being the CP and future Queen? I don't know royal or Norwegian laws, other members here probably know better.
 
hereditarytitles said:
Sure, that would be the case with you and me, not being royal. But, doesn't she have immunity because she is a member of the royal family. I know that even diplomats have immunity when it comes to crimes, which IMO is very controversial.
Can she be arrested and interrogated being the CP and future Queen? I don't know royal or Norwegian laws, other members here probably know better.
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I'd say on a practical level, it would up to the King to decide whether MM should be questioned. In theory he could conduct such a questioning himself (or more likely his lawyers could, or someone appointed by the King, say a Supreme Court judge).
I dare claim that the government and by extension the Parliament can "persuade" the King to let the Crown Princess be questioned.
But of course MM could on her free will let herself be questioned by the police - in order to assist the police with their investigations.

In any way, if there is a demand for questioning MM and it is vocal or official enough, I find it difficult to see how the NRF can refuse it, without another very serious dent in its reputation. Because the signal would be that the NRF, led by the King, consider itself above the law. It would also very likely be interpreted as an indirect admission of guilt.
It is really a Catch 22.

Marius could actually get his mother off the hook by simply admitting that he destroyed the phone and SIM card. And unless he knew there was a warrant on his phone prior to his arrest, I suppose he could get away with it. After all there is no law against destroying your phone if you feel like it. - Alternatively take the rap for destroying potential evidence himself.
But from what I have learned about Marius in this thread I'm not sure he would do that.
 
By the way, destroying a SIM card is actually quite useless, as the police can just get a duplicate from the service provider, there is surprisingly few data on it. And, usually, professional data recovery is quite good with destroyed phones. So, even if they did destroy the phone and SIM the chances, that they destroyed actual data beyond recoverability is quite low. The father of my married-in aunt is a technician at the police for exactly that and is always quite amused how people think smashing phones or hiding SIM cards works.

best wishes Michiru
 
stunking said:
So much speculation, we will have to wait for the trial for the truth to come out. I think it was a big mistake for MM to go to his house and call the woman if that is true. As someone said you have to want to get better before anything will work for you.
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My thoughts exactly. We have to assume that Norway has a functioning system of justice and if the prosecutor deem the evidence enough to prosecute Marius BH, then it comes to a trial. If not, the victims can act against that decicion. In any case there are more that one person involved in figuring if there is to be a trial and what they'll prosecute. They surely know how it will look if they don't prosecute the son of the CP, they'll know what will be made public by a trial and they'll think about what will happen if the facts become public. But most of all they'll think about the law, I hope.
Alisa said:
Yes the phone and its contents are a crucial piece of evidence. When Marius was arrested, the officers had a search warrant for the phone and as such they seized the phone with hopes of obtaining it contents. However the phone was damaged and the SIM card was missing. Now we have Marius in essence saying that SIM card disappeared while his mother was "tidying up".

So yes, the Crown Princess should be arrested and interrogated for tampering evidence and obstructing justice. She needs to provide answers about what happened to the SIM card!
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There is no evidence right now that MM did something against the law. We don't know even if that's what happened. Considering Marius' tendency for rages it could well been him. So it is very early to ask for the CP to be arrested! I'm sure hte trial will give answers, will establish the facts and the judge (s) will either send Marius to jail or not. But never believe the tabloids - while there could be the truth in anything they print, it mostly is not because they work under different aims that the judicial systems. They want to sell papers through scandal, while the courts try to establish some facts. I'll wait for the Court to tell me the facts.
 
Kataryn said:
There is no evidence right now that MM did something against the law. We don't know even if that's what happened. Considering Marius' tendency for rages it could well been him. So it is very early to ask for the CP to be arrested! I'm sure hte trial will give answers, will establish the facts and the judge (s) will either send Marius to jail or not. But never believe the tabloids - while there could be the truth in anything they print, it mostly is not because they work under different aims that the judicial systems. They want to sell papers through scandal, while the courts try to establish some facts. I'll wait for the Court to tell me the facts.
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My call for the Crown Princess' arrest and interrogation are based on information and repeated statements by her own son Marius. The information comes not exclusively from tabloids like S&H but from reputable Norwegian newspapers like NRK, Dagbladet, and VG (thanks Ladyfinn!).
Heck if Juliane Snekkestad's lawyer who certainly has more information and knowledge of the case(s)has also called for the Crown Princess to be interrogated and provide answers surely I'm on the right track!
 
Alisa said:
Yes the phone and its contents are a crucial piece of evidence. When Marius was arrested, the officers had a search warrant for the phone and as such they seized the phone with hopes of obtaining it contents. However the phone was damaged and the SIM card was missing. Now we have Marius in essence saying that SIM card disappeared while his mother was "tidying up".

So yes, the Crown Princess should be arrested and interrogated for tampering evidence and obstructing justice. She needs to provide answers about what happened to the SIM card!
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Maybe I missed it, but I don't recall reading that there was a search warrant for the phone.

To me the actions of law enforcement do not square with them deeming the SIM card a crucial piece of evidence. If it was a crucial piece of evidence you are stating that Mette-Marit should be arrested and interrogated, I don't know about the arrested part, but yeah she should be interrogated and since she was not, nor was Marius' residence searched - IIRC Marius was in custody for 30 hours, it makes me question if the missing SIM card was crucial evidence. Also, as someone stated, most if not all SIM card content can be recovered other ways.

Nevertheless the missing SIM card is a serious thing. I am not convinced that it is crucial evidence but the media getting the information and reporting it is definitely a bad thing in terms of optics and scandal. This brings to mind the Watergate mantra, the cover up is often worse than the crime. In this case, I am not referring to Marius' crime of physical violence and threats but whatever was on the SIM card, and I will tack on whatever needed to get "cleaned up", whatever was trying to get accomplished by the SIM card going missing and the cleaning up, I suspect is superseded by the fact that these two factoids are now in the public domain.
 
LadyFinn said:
Crown Prince Regent Haakon cancelled a job event yesterday, which is highly unusual. Mette-Marit hosted alone a lunch for the state administrators at 14.00. According to the Palace's communications manager Guri Varpe, Haakon was prevented from attending the lunch due to "private reasons".
Se og Hør can reveal the likely reason for the cancellation. Passengers on board SK805 from Gardermoen to London could observe at 13.00 yesterday that Haakon entered the flight together with Marius. Why does Haakon travel with his bonus son to London when he has duties at home? According to what Se og Hør has reason to believe, he accompanied Marius to a rehab stay.
www.seher.no

Tok med Marius på rehab?

Torsdag ettermiddag meldte kronprins Haakon avbud på en jobb, svært ulikt ham. Nå kan Se og Hør avsløre hvorfor.
www.seher.no www.seher.no
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So is Marius going to a rehab facility in the UK? I am surprised that he is allowed to leave Norway while facing criminal charges.
 
Mbruno said:
So is Marius going to a rehab facility in the UK? I am surprised that he is allowed to leave Norway while facing criminal charges.
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Well, he was on a holiday in Italy too...

TV2 writes also about Haakon and Marius going to London:
Haakon arrived in a black car (photo) together with Marius, according to a passenger TV 2 has spoken to. Haakon was regent and acted as supreme commander in connection with the King being on a private trip. According to §41 of the Constitution, the government must govern the country itself if both the King and Haakon are abroad.
On Thursday, the Prime Minister's Office was notified of the trip.
- The Prime Minister's office was notified by phone on Thursday morning that the Crown Prince Regent would go abroad. The Prime Minister's office had previously been notified that the King was abroad until Thursday evening. The King is now back in the country, says communications manager Anne Kristin Hjukse.
The flight to London landed at Heathrow Airport yesterday at 14.22. Due to the trip, Haakon will not participate in the Cabinet meeting today. The Palace doesn't comment on the background of the trip.
www.tv2.no

Kronprins Haakon forlot landet sammen med Høiby

Kronprinsen uteble fra offisielle oppgaver som regent. Ifølge TV 2s opplysninger har han reist utenlands med Marius Borg Høiby.
www.tv2.no www.tv2.no
 
MM, should freely submit to questioning. That would help to create a sense of tranparency in the process. AND, Marius should freely enter an intensive detox program. This is ridiculous that, now 3 months into this situation, he is still walking around freely.

JMHO
 
Somebody said:
Not commenting while Haakon during a regency leaves the country is again bad optics.
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Yes.

Mette-Marit is also in London, according to Se og Hør.
Se og Hør's sources say that Haakon, Mette-Marit and Marius have been seen at a shopping centre.
Se og Hør contacted Guri Varpe, communications manager at the Palace, for a comment. She hasn't responded.
Se og Hør's royal house expert Caroline Vagle:
- The Crown Prince couple were observed together with Marius in London today. We know that Haakon traveled with him there yesterday, and Mette-Marit has obviously come after, either late last night or today. We don't know why they are in London. But the fact that Haakon canceled official missions - makes me pretty sure that this is no ordinary family holiday. It wouldn't surprise me if they are there in connection with Marius receiving treatment, and it is natural in that case that mother and bonus father are there to support him.
www.seher.no

Mette-Marit på plass i London

Kronprinsparet skal ha blitt gjenforent i London.
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The timing seems off, did Haakon have to leave Thursday morning and cancel a Thursday event and the State council today? Clearly they didn't go straight to rehab if they are seen shopping today with MM in London.
 
I'm not so sure Marius is going to a rehab.

I'm sure that the Royal Family of Norway won't have problems finding a suitable rehab-center for Marius somewhere, nor would such a center be reluctant to get such a client. It's not like they call whomever at the court (probably a private physician) and say: We got a spot for you, but you need to be here today or it'll go to someone else. And why the shopping? Surely they don't need to buy Marius a toothbrush or a spare pajamas.

Here are some options on top of my head:
A) They are indeed committing Marius to a rehab. With a short notice and on a commercial flight under some pretense to ensure that Marius don't vanish or come up with some excuse. Doing some "Christmas shopping with mother" while Haakon prepares the rehab for receiving Marius. A rehab where the door handles are on the outside of the doors... There he can stay for some weeks.
B) They are going to visit a specialist and/or therapist who will have a look at Marius. Perhaps in preparation for his defense or because they finally will handle this professionally. (I wonder if it will take a doctor's order to forcefully commit someone, even foreigners, in UK?)
C) They are going to a specialist in UK to have Mette Marit checked. And while there are either having a little family shopping-trip or they are having a mini-confrontation with Marius, trying to get him to understand that his mother really is seriously ill, and that his behavior is putting her in her grave sooner rather than later.
D) My favorite right now: They are setting Marius up in UK somewhere. Away from his unfortunate friends, away from the environment he is used to and making it more difficult for him to find drugs - no car and little money helps. While at the same time keeping him out of sight of the public eye and especially the press in Norway. Perhaps even hoping for an "out of sight, out of mind" in regards to Marius. There he can stay until Christmas or the trial begins. - IMO: Fat chance of that succeeding though.
E) Haakon finally got through to Marius and persuaded him to undergo treatment. And Haakon set that up with as short notice as possible, having already prepared a rehab center, got Marius with him on a commercial flight. MM got wind of that and rushed to UK as fast as possible where she got hold of her precious Marius and together they went Christmas shopping before returning to Norway. - This scenario is admittedly a bit far out because it means Haakon acted behind the back of MM and that he and MM are deeply in disagreement about how to handle Marius. But... Is it possible?
 
I don't know what they're doing, but these moves strike me as unwise for the CP couple. I wonder how the Norwegian people feel about Haakon suddenly dropping his duties, especially while acting as regent, to go anywhere with Marius right now. Do the Scandinavian posters think the public would see this as him being a good father or a bad regent? (Or does anyone pay attention?)

And with all the media scrutiny Mette-Marit is under, having her on duty for some things, then off duty the same week, seems more like she's cherry-picking her work than tending to her illness. Is she only out sick for events when the media might get close enough to ask a question about the Marius situation?
 
kalnel said:
I don't know what they're doing, but these moves strike me as unwise for the CP couple. I wonder how the Norwegian people feel about Haakon suddenly dropping his duties, especially while acting as regent, to go anywhere with Marius right now. Do the Scandinavian posters think the public would see this as him being a good father or a bad regent? (Or does anyone pay attention?)

And with all the media scrutiny Mette-Marit is under, having her on duty for some things, then off duty the same week, seems more like she's cherry-picking her work than tending to her illness. Is she only out sick for events when the media might get close enough to ask a question about the Marius situation?
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I'd say it depends on what the purpose of the trip was.
If the purpose was to get Marius treated well away from his friends, then I'd say Haakon acted responsibly both as father and future king. This is basically what he should, ought and must do, to at the very least try and rectify this situation. Because it's bad enough what has happened, what will happen if nothing is done, may be a lot worse, because Marius is most unlikely to turn around and so to speak cure himself on his own accord. Not now, not after so long time.
And if MM went after them to assist in getting Marius treated, I'd say finally! Finally they do something, finally MM is actually helping her son, rather than shielding him.
 
Muhler said:
I'd say it depends on what the purpose of the trip was.
If the purpose was to get Marius treated well away from his friends, then I'd say Haakon acted responsibly both as father and future king. This is basically what he should, ought and must do, to at the very least try and rectify this situation. Because it's bad enough what has happened, what will happen if nothing is done, may be a lot worse, because Marius is most unlikely to turn around and so to speak cure himself on his own accord. Not now, not after so long time.
And if MM went after them to assist in getting Marius treated, I'd say finally! Finally they do something, finally MM is actually helping her son, rather than shielding him.
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That's interesting. So as long as he was taking care of this situation, you don't think people would mind about him stepping away from his regent's duties?
 
kalnel said:
That's interesting. So as long as he was taking care of this situation, you don't think people would mind about him stepping away from his regent's duties?
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No, because Norway has another tradition than DK, where there always has to be someone from the DRF in charge - and that's taken very seriously!
And secondly because Haakon would be taking his duties as Regent seriously by trying to fix the very bad situation the NRF, and by extension Norway, is in right now.

I think the collective call from the Norwegians to the NRF right now is: Do something!!

However...
If it turns out that this is basically just a little family-outing where MM and Haakon tried to slip away under the radar to get away from it all for a few days - i.e. another Italy-trip - and Marius turns up in the Oslo nightlife say next week, obviously not undergoing treatment, then it will be another very serious mistake by the CP-Couple.
Going to UK to try to fix the Marius problem = acceptable.
Taking a break from the Marius issue in UK = not acceptable!
 
Muhler said:
Muhler said:
I'm not so sure Marius is going to a rehab.

D) My favorite right now: They are setting Marius up in UK somewhere. Away from his unfortunate friends, away from the environment he is used to and making it more difficult for him to find drugs - no car and little money helps. While at the same time keeping him out of sight of the public eye and especially the press in Norway. Perhaps even hoping for an "out of sight, out of mind" in regards to Marius. There he can stay until Christmas or the trial begins. - IMO: Fat chance of that succeeding though.
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Little money would certainly help, but it is hardly difficult to find drugs in the UK. In fact, it may even easier than in Norway,
 
Muhler said:
No, because Norway has another tradition than DK, where there always has to be someone from the DRF in charge - and that's taken very seriously!
And secondly because Haakon would be taking his duties as Regent seriously by trying to fix the very bad situation the NRF, and by extension Norway, is in right now.

I think the collective call from the Norwegians to the NRF right now is: Do something!!

However...
If it turns out that this is basically just a little family-outing where MM and Haakon tried to slip away under the radar to get away from it all for a few days - i.e. another Italy-trip - and Marius turns up in the Oslo nightlife say next week, obviously not undergoing treatment, then it will be another very serious mistake by the CP-Couple.
Going to UK to try to fix the Marius problem = acceptable.
Taking a break from the Marius issue in UK = not acceptable!
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Ok , so let me get this straight , Haakon acting as Regent leaves MM on her own to act as hostess for an official function , whilst she is on "sick leave " due to the effects of treatment for a terminal illness , in order to "pop off " to the uk with Marius , then have MM join them for a spot of shopping , assuming that this will be under the radar, as it has now become obvious that due to MM much of Marius's behaviour has been !!!!!!!!! I'm assuming the NRF do actually have a PR department, and in house lawyers ? Because frankly I cannot see how they expected to get away with this . I can fully understand the CP's wish to spare MM, as much stress as possible , but did they really think that his absence , "for personal reasons" " would not be a red flag to a press , which has already had to to admit to covering for Marius for so long . I truly hope that not only Marius , but his victim / victim's will get the help they need . However I also hope that they , his victim [ other's yet to be proven in a court of law ], will get justice .
 
fabaunty said:
Ok , so let me get this straight , Haakon acting as Regent leaves MM on her own to act as hostess for an official function , whilst she is on "sick leave " due to the effects of treatment for a terminal illness , in order to "pop off " to the uk with Marius , then have MM join them for a spot of shopping , assuming that this will be under the radar, as it has now become obvious that due to MM much of Marius's behaviour has been !!!!!!!!! I'm assuming the NRF do actually have a PR department, and in house lawyers ? Because frankly I cannot see how they expected to get away with this . I can fully understand the CP's wish to spare MM, as much stress as possible , but did they really think that his absence , "for personal reasons" " would not be a red flag to a press , which has already had to to admit to covering for Marius for so long . I truly hope that not only Marius , but his victim / victim's will get the help they need . However I also hope that they , his victim [ other's yet to be proven in a court of law ], will get justice .
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Yes...

So MM and Haakon had better get Marius in rehab, for real, this time!
Otherwise a lot of Norwegians and the Norwegian press may sum it up in the same way you have.
 
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