Marius Borg Høiby News & Current Events Part 1: December 2023 -

[victor1319]

I am curious as to why MM went to 'clean' house when the arrest was going to happen outside of Palace grounds? The only explanation I see is that she made sure her son's phone was inoperable and not able to be searched. She would have known that the Police would not be in the house.

"She would have known"... Yeah, if she was a cool headed person!

But under stress people do the strangest things! We do not know what and to what extent she knew about Marius' activities. Perhaps she knew... Or she simply got a strange feeling over time already about all her son's parties and actions and wanted to check and ended cleaning up?

 

[Somebody]

What was the exact question Haakon responded to? Was it about the Marius situation in general or about Mette Marit's possible involvement in the process towards the arrest? Because depending on which question was asked the 'this' might be interpreted differently as well as the specific reference on taking care of each other as a family.

 

[Snowangel]

What was the exact question Haakon responded to? Was it about the Marius situation in general or about Mette Marit's possible involvement in the process towards the arrest? Because depending on which question was asked the 'this' might be interpreted differently as well as the specific reference on taking care of each other as a family.

The question that was asked was :"would you mind sharing some of your thoughts about the difficult situation the family is in"

 

[Alondra]

I have noticed from time to time that there are suggestions that Marius should suffer some kind of personality disorder.
We of course don't know if he is and I certainly have no qualifications to even venture a guess.

If we are to sum up Marius personality:
He a bit of a risk-taker, (driving wild and crashing, that was fun! As well as jet-skiing with Ingrid.)
He likes to see himself a a rebel.
He shows very little respect for the norms and rules of the society.
He likes attention.
He likes to appear tough. Bad boy attitude.
He has next to no respect for other people, even those close to him.
He feels little if any remorse.
He blames other people. (Phone recordings with the third girlfriend, and accusing Snekkestad of abusing him.)
He has no qualms about stealing from other people, even those most close to him. Wine-cellar, gas-card, moped.
He has fits of uncontrollable anger.
Han can be very charming. Funny-Marius. Crazy-Marius.
He is however very protective of a few people, Marius and Ingrid.
(I probably left something out, but you fill in the blanks.)

I'm in no doubt that fits with a personality disorder or two.

However.... It also describes quite a lot very immature young men.
Especially if they are very entitled.
Haven been over-indulged.
Not overly-bright.
Have been spoiled rotten.
Selfish.
Have never really had to work to get anything.
Have always lived a life where they never lacked any necessities.
Have never experienced discipline and as such having been taught about boundaries.

- So in my most unqualified eyes, the verdict is still out as to whether Marius really has a personality disorder.

Perhaps someone who knows a lot more can enlighten us?

I have no idea if Marius have a personality disorder but the problems with him right now fall squarely under the responsibility of the Royal House.

Years ago in a documentary called "Princess in Exile", Raghnild said about Marius something like this ( just from memory): "I feel sad for the son Mette has. They have a new child who is the heir to the throne, and Marius is nothing. He's only 7 y.o. but will understand that there is a difference. And it will bring problems to them. I hope they've thought about that"

My impression is that the Royal House in Norway never made a plan for Marius to fully integrate him in the responsibilities of belonging to the institutional house and role. (...) They've failed to understand that in today's world, being a royal is a privilege with a mountain of responsibilities.

(..)

 

[Snowangel]

(..)

When it comes to "Princess in exile", I really didn't like that documentary at all. I will never understand the point sitting there and criticise your family like that. She obviously forgot that her own dad (Crownprince Olav), mum (Crownprincess Märtha) and grandad (King Haakon) was against her relationship to Erling Lorentzen.

But I belive with all my heart that MM and H did everything to fully integrate him in the responsibilities of belonging to the institutional house and role. But unfortunately it didn't work out. We don't know what happens behind closed doors.

One thing I am sure of, he is absolutely responsible for his own decisions and choices and should be severely dealt with.

 

[Muhler]

That was my thought too… There is really not constitutionally neccessary to have someone showing up in any of the tiaras as long as the monarch is not a female… And for incoming state visits and the annual parliament dinner, even a studying Ingrid Alexandra can attend the these banquets if neccessary…

To order her to stop her education in her early 20:s and pack her full with royal duties that also can be undertaken by a man, would be a disaster in my opinion… She cannot be compared to Princess Astrid as she is about to become a monarch herself, and must be allowed to prepare herself…

It would be much better (but still not a good option) to ask Magnus to put his education on pause and start to help out with royal duties….. But for that to happen they need to change their current mindset that Magnus is a private citizen and not expected to do anything for the monarchy…

The ongoing situations with both Marius and Märtha Louise should be enough proof of why having ”official members” of a royal family that is not expected to do anything at all for the monarchy, is a bad idea..


The press will now try to milk anything they can out of him… Every word he says, every facial move, every movement of his eyes etc will be analyzed… But he knows that answering one question about Marius during a press conference about something else, would be like opening a can of worms with questions… The NRF doesn’t have much luck at the moment, but one luck they do have is that Haakon have nerves of steel and can handle media pressure…

(...)

I don't expect Ingrid to work full-time.
Most students I know work a few hours a week to supplement their income. The income not being a problem for Ingrid.

In the scenario where MM has to leave the royal roadshow, it is likely that Haakon for at least a part of his reign will be Haakon the Unpopular and here he needs a (popular) support, in the shape of Ingrid. Who will also be seen as the future - and hope - of the NRF
Haakon would still handle most of the things a monarch is supposed to cover, but Ingrid (and Magnus, we may hope) will have to make frequent appearances. It's a question of necessity.
She can thank her parents and bonus-brother as well as her aunt for that one. And Norway may finally get a working royal who (hopefully) is also be an adult...

"She would have known"... Yeah, if she was a cool headed person!

But under stress people do the strangest things! We do not know what and to what extent she knew about Marius' activities. Perhaps she knew... Or she simply got a strange feeling over time already about all her son's parties and actions and wanted to check and ended cleaning up?

Well, ask yourself this: If you did what MM (seemingly) did and ended up in court, that's probably what your defense attorney will say. But do you think you would be acquitted?

 

[LadyFinn]

The Royal Court's communications manager Guri Ofstad Varpe writes in a statement to VG:
"The police notified the Royal Court and the Royal Court then informed the Crown Prince couple about an incident involving Marius Borg Høiby and about a possible arrest. As is known, the police also notified Marius Borg Høiby ahead of the arrest. The police chose not to make an arrest at his residence, and have never searched it."
VG has asked the Court several detailed questions about Mette-Marit's involvement in what happened on 4 August, but several of these questions have not been answered.
No one will say who alerted the Royal Court.
VG asked the Oslo Police District whether they notified the Royal Court or Mette-Marit, but they haven't answered.

Slottet varslet kronprinsparet om mulig pågripelse

Det kongelige hoff ble varslet av politiet om mulig pågripelse av Marius Borg Høiby (27). Deretter varslet de kronprinsparet.

www.vg.no

In Friday's episode of TV-reality show "Girls of Oslo", is shown what happened when Nora Haukland was informed that her ex-boyfriend Marius Borg Høiby had been charged with violence.
Suddenly the news was in all the newspapers. Nora had been on a trip to Stockholm, in a private plane, together with the other girls in "Girls of Oslo". She was sitting on the plane with Isabel Raad and Anniken Jørgensen when she switched on mobile data, and had the news thrown in her face.

- Jeg er redd for han

Nora Haukland om øyeblikket da beskjeden kom.

www.kk.no

VG about Juliane Snekkestad's lawyer asking Mette-Marit to be interrogated:
VG asked the Oslo police questions about any legal issues the constitution has created in this case.
Police prosecutor Andreas Kruszewski sent the following summary response by e-mail. He didn't want to answer what the police concluded in the investigation:
- It is the Criminal Procedure Act that sets the framework for a police investigation. In the Høiby case, the accused is related to members of the royal household, and it has therefore been natural for the police to also assess whether we are restricted from carrying out certain investigative steps due to the regulations of the Constitution. We are considering the request from the legal aid attorney. We return to the questions surrounding this.
When asked if it is correctly understood that the police have checked whether members of the royal household can be questioned, Kruszewski replies:
- It is true that the police have investigated the limits of being able to carry out various investigative steps towards members of the royal household.

Politiet om etterforskningsskritt rundt kongelige: Har utredet grensene

Kan kronprinsesse Mette-Marit avhøres? Oslo-politiet bekrefter at de har sjekket hvor grensen går for etterforskningsskritt mot medlemmer av kongehuset.

www.vg.no

 

[kalnel]

I wonder who made the decision to arrest Marius at the school, rather than at his house. Someone must have told the police that the arrest should not happen on the royal family's property. The CP's office? One of the ministries? The protection people?

In terms of the royal family, it's probably a good thing, since having an arrest there would create associations and precedents that could be awkward. But it doesn't seem fair to the victim, since the police might have found important evidence, if they'd been to the house.

 

[DukeOfWashington]

The Royal Court's communications manager Guri Ofstad Varpe writes in a statement to VG:
"The police notified the Royal Court and the Royal Court then informed the Crown Prince couple about an incident involving Marius Borg Høiby and about a possible arrest. As is known, the police also notified Marius Borg Høiby ahead of the arrest. The police chose not to make an arrest at his residence, and have never searched it."
VG has asked the Court several detailed questions about Mette-Marit's involvement in what happened on 4 August, but several of these questions have not been answered.
No one will say who alerted the Royal Court.
VG asked the Oslo Police District whether they notified the Royal Court or Mette-Marit, but they haven't answered.

Slottet varslet kronprinsparet om mulig pågripelse

Det kongelige hoff ble varslet av politiet om mulig pågripelse av Marius Borg Høiby (27). Deretter varslet de kronprinsparet.

www.vg.no

In Friday's episode of TV-reality show "Girls of Oslo", is shown what happened when Nora Haukland was informed that her ex-boyfriend Marius Borg Høiby had been charged with violence.
Suddenly the news was in all the newspapers. Nora had been on a trip to Stockholm, in a private plane, together with the other girls in "Girls of Oslo". She was sitting on the plane with Isabel Raad and Anniken Jørgensen when she switched on mobile data, and had the news thrown in her face.

- Jeg er redd for han

Nora Haukland om øyeblikket da beskjeden kom.

www.kk.no

This would seem to somwhat exonerate MM, no? If she had been informed AND her (and/or Marius) knew they would not be making arrest at the home or searching it. Then the home is not at all involved in the investigation.

 

[Muhler]

I wonder who made the decision to arrest Marius at the school, rather than at his house. Someone must have told the police that the arrest should not happen on the royal family's property. The CP's office? One of the ministries? The protection people?

In terms of the royal family, it's probably a good thing, since having an arrest there would create associations and precedents that could be awkward. But it doesn't seem fair to the victim, since the police might have found important evidence, if they'd been to the house.

It's quite common for the police in at least Scandinavia to call a suspect and arrange a meeting place where the suspect will hand himself over to the police, sometimes in company with his lawyer or a family member.
It's often done so that the suspect and his family isn't embarrassed by being taken away by the police at home.
Or to avoid upsetting a close relative too much, say his mother. That being preferable to the police entering a home and dragging a son away in front of his family.
The arrest is usually taking place in a more quiet and calm atmosphere, deescalating a situation that could easily escalate.
It's also a common thing if it's someone who is on the run and who simply has had enough of constantly looking over his shulders.
And finally, but by no means least, it often establish a rapport between the suspect and the police officer handling the arrest, which is always a good start.

So in this case I'd say it does makes good sense to ask Marius to give himself up outside the royal grounds. Outside of the eyes of staff, guards and possible civilians with cameras. It doesn't make that good sense though if the whole purpose was to secure his phone and someone... warns him in advance about that.

This would seem to somwhat exonerate MM, no? If she had been informed AND her (and/or Marius) knew they would not be making arrest at the home or searching it. Then the home is not at all involved in the investigation.

The home could still end up being searched. A police guard could be posted outside the house, while a warrant was requested and processed and the police can always make a search if there are very good reasons for doing so.

 

[Alisa]

Every time I come to read this thread things just get worse and worse.

A big looming question I have is WHY did the police feel the need to notify the Royal Court (who would then contact the CP couple) if the Marius is PRIVATE citizen.
So now the Royal Court is assuming the role of mediator between the CP couple and the police? It makes sense that the Court would tell the police that per the CP couple " if an arrest has to be made , please arrest Marius here and not here". It would have been a major spectacle and scandal if Marius was arrested at Skaugum or happen to be at a dinner with Ingrid and the CPly family.

This is all a hot mess!

I have said it before and I will say it again. The Crown Princess will always choose Marius over her responsibilities to the Norwegian people and the Crown.
Whenever I hear this "as a family we try to take care of each other..." speel I instantly think 2 things: 1. To what limits? Does taking care of each other also include obstructing justice? 2. Which family is priority? The royal family or the private family with the Crown Princess. Those are 2 separate things with very different roles and responsibilities. As we are now seeing being members of both can be conflicting too.

 

[Muhler]

Every time I come to read this thread things just get worse and worse.

A big looming question I have is WHY did the police feel the need to notify the Royal Court (who would then contact the CP couple) if the Marius is PRIVATE citizen.
So now the Royal Court is assuming the role of mediator between the CP couple and the police? It makes sense that the Court would tell the police that per the CP couple " if an arrest has to be made , please arrest Marius here and not here". It would have been a major spectacle and scandal if Marius was arrested at Skaugum or happen to be at a dinner with Ingrid and the CPly family.

This is all a hot mess!

I have said it before and I will say it again. The Crown Princess will always choose Marius over her responsibilities to the Norwegian people and the Crown.
Whenever I hear this "as a family we try to take care of each other..." speel I instantly think 2 things: 1. To what limits? Does taking care of each other also include obstructing justice? 2. Which family is priority? The royal family or the private family with the Crown Princess. Those are 2 separate things with very different roles and responsibilities. As we are now seeing being members of both can be conflicting too.

Because someone within the police wanted to cover his behind?

 

[duke of poliganc]

All I can say is wow!

And people were thinking that a gin company using princess Martha Louise title is going to bring down the monarchy!

But still I feel bad for the crown princess, I totally understand if she thought as a mother to hell with the monarchy, her children comes first!

It’s just human instinct

 

[Chimene]

I might applaud her instinct as well if her son was not going around beating women and using the monarchy as a shield. Pick your poison I guess…

Nothing against her because I’ve always assumed best intentions as far as she was concerned…

 

[Princess Merena]

Mette-Marit has two other children and at least for one them the crown will be the future. I find it quite fascinating that she seems to choose the women abusing child instead of her future head of state child and her future.

 

[duke of poliganc]

I might applaud her instinct as well if her son was not going around beating women and using the monarchy as a shield. Pick your poison I guess…

Nothing against her because I’ve always assumed best intentions as far as she was concerned…

I get your point but I don’t want to judge as am not in her shoes but we got a lot of examples of high profile people who acted similarly, The late QEII and the Duke of York, Queen Paula and her son prince Laurent, even President Biden whose position totally depends on public opinion didn’t disown his son Hunter Biden!

Mette-Marit has two other children and at least for one them the crown will be the future. I find it quite fascinating that she seems to choose the women abusing child instead of her future head of state child and her future.

The worst case scenario ever her daughter won’t be a Queen in the future but will still live comfortably until the rest of her life, on the other hand her son’s future is ruined and he might spend time in jail!

How could you ask her to choose her daughter future role above her son’s freedom and future?

This is what I hate in royal watching community, as we seem to forget the the Royal family are family also, we seem to treat them as presidential candidates who can dispense of other surrogates for the sake of the top ticket!

So we are now asking a mother to forget about one of her children for the sake of what the public opinion might think about her other kid!

I don’t know the right answer but I won’t act like it’s an easy decision for a parent to take!

 

[Muhler]

The worst case scenario ever her daughter won’t be a Queen in the future but will still live comfortably until the rest of her life, on the other hand her son’s future is ruined and he might spend time in jail!

How could you ask her to choose her daughter future role above her son’s freedom and future?

That's what she signed up for when she said yes to Haakon.
She married not only Haakon, not only a dynasty, she married Norway.

The trials are not over once Cinderella marry the prince. They are only beginning.
MM has had ten years to ponder how she'd react the day her son is caught doing something really stupid, unless she was so naive that she thought no one would ever find out. And if they did, no one would ever say anything.

On a normal human level, the parental instinct to rush to help your children is strong. But she is also the Crown Princess, she is not supposed to be normal. Normality is a luxury she can no longer allow herself.

How about her husband? Her in-laws? Her other son and her daughter? Norway?
Is it so important to try and shield Marius that all other considerations are secondary?
If the choice is between Marius and the monarchy, what will she choose? - I'm afraid I already know the answer.

As for Haakon: If the choice is between a major conflict in the family where he has to put his foot down for real or the monarchy, what will he choose?

They've had a pretty sheltered life so far. That is now over. The bill is on the table.

ADDED: Royals are indeed humans and it is not an easy situation to be in. They do however have so many more resources and options at disposal that ordinary people can only dream of.

But ordinary people also have to take agonizing decisions.
Cutting lose a child, because that child is having a severe addiction and it's destroying the family.
Leaving family members behind when fleeing, quite a few newcomers to Norway have been in that situation.
Go no contact to an abusive parent.
Handing over a severely handicapped child to an institution, because you simply can't handle it anymore.
And so on.

 

[Chimene]

I get your point but I don’t want to judge as am not in her shoes but we got a lot of examples of high profile people who acted similarly, The late QEII and the Duke of York, Queen Paula and her son prince Laurent, even President Biden whose position totally depends on public opinion didn’t disown his son Hunter Biden!

I’m questioning her judgment, and I’m not unsympathetic to her tough position here, but those examples you listed are people who have failed in holding their children accountable. I understand we as humans are not perfect, we do lots of dumb or criminal things, but the inability of the parents/leaders to solve for those problems is what I have an issue with.

 

[duke of poliganc]

That's what she signed up for when she said yes to Haakon.
She married not only Haakon, not only a dynasty, she married Norway.

The trials are not over once Cinderella marry the prince. They are only beginning.
MM has had ten years to ponder how she'd react the day her son is caught doing something really stupid, unless she was so naive that she thought no one would ever find out. And if they did, no one would ever say anything.

On a normal human level, the parental instinct to rush to help your children is strong. But she is also the Crown Princess, she is not supposed to be normal. Normality is a luxury she can no longer allow herself.

How about her husband? Her in-laws? Her other son and her daughter? Norway?
Is it so important to try and shield Marius that all other considerations are secondary?
If the choice is between Marius and the monarchy, what will she choose? - I'm afraid I already know the answer.

As for Haakon: If the choice is between a major conflict in the family where he has to put his foot down for real or the monarchy, what will he choose?

They've had a pretty sheltered life so far. That is now over. The bill is on the table.

ADDED: Royals are indeed humans and it is not an easy situation to be in. They do however have so many more resources and options at disposal that ordinary people can only dream of.

But ordinary people also have to take agonizing decisions.
Cutting lose a child, because that child is having a severe addiction and it's destroying the family.
Leaving family members behind when fleeing, quite a few newcomers to Norway have been in that situation.
Go no contact to an abusive parent.
Handing over a severely handicapped child to an institution, because you simply can't handle it anymore.
And so on.

As a spectator I totally agree with you but we have the example of a 96 year old royal and a monarch for over 70 years on the throne not just the consort of a crown prince for 20 years who also struggled with idea of choosing between one of her children and the monarchy!

 

[Hans-Rickard]

Mette-Marit has two other children and at least for one them the crown will be the future. I find it quite fascinating that she seems to choose the women abusing child instead of her future head of state child and her future.

Any parent with more children than 1 knows that there will always be times when one of the children will be in more need of support than the other/s… That doesn’t mean you don’t love them all equally

What has stunned me is her lack of judgement and apparent unability to read the situation, despite having been Crown Princess for 23 years now… She is Europes most experienced Crown Princess Consort since 2013 and still seems to struggle to understand important parts of her position…
That surprises me

 

[Muhler]

Ah, you are thinking of Andrew.
Technically it's doubtful Andrew could even be prosecuted under UK law and AFAIK the police never came to arrest him. And even if she was younger I cannot imagine QEII, who always put duty first, to rush over and help clearing away possible evidence.
And far from all ordinary mothers who are in the unfortunate situation that their son is to be arrested, decide to rush over and help cover up for him.
And then there are the girlfriends. Keep in mind that MM for years has worked to help abused women, so she is very well aware of the dynamics and typical behavior in such situations. Yet, she decided to go mama-bear.

 

[Chimene]

If Marius was doing bad things and she decided to protect him anyway, she could get away with the instinct argument. Once you move to criminal activities, she has a moral and ethical obligation not to interfere…at the very least.

 

[Michiru-Kaiou]

Do you even know what exactly the Crown Princess cleaned up? Or do you just speculate? Maybe she just made sure there was no food around, that might become a mold/bug infestation, not knowing how long son dearest would be behind bars.

best wishes Michiru

 

[hereditarytitles]

Mette-Marit has two other children and at least for one them the crown will be the future. I find it quite fascinating that she seems to choose the women abusing child instead of her future head of state child and her future.

That's true, but those two other royal children have a different background, a father and grandparents who are there for them, a future which is planned. Maybe she felt that except for herself nobody would care for Marius, not the biological father nor her own parents. I know this is one sided, but maybe that is how she has or is still feeling. I have never heard or seen any support of her own family, just heard bad news about her own father.

She definetely is not the person who would put put her role as CP and future Queen above all other personal issues. (Just as other old monarchy members would have done out of a sense of duty). She is putting her son Marius above all else. You can criticize this, but from an emotional point of view as she is the mother, it is understandable. I am far away from sanctioning how she managed her son so far, but I try to understand the reasons why she is acting like she is, although many mothers including myself would have reacted in a different way.

She probably never knew what she was getting involved with when she married Haakon. Many people have criticized her laziness, her lack of engagements. She is not the ideal CP and poor Haakon is criticized for having married her. It was probably not the best choice, but I guess he was madly in love with her and probably still is.
And here again I am not defending Haakon, but try to understand his emotions and feelings. Because, after all, even though they are royal and rich and privileged, they still are humans who are not functioning perfectly.

 

[Snowangel]

Do you even know what exactly the Crown Princess cleaned up? Or do you just speculate? Maybe she just made sure there was no food around, that might become a mold/bug infestation, not knowing how long son dearest would be behind bars.

best wishes Michiru

Is all speculations....

 

[Chimene]

That's true, but those two other royal children have a different background, a father and grandparents who are there for them, a future which is planned. Maybe she felt that except for herself nobody would care for Marius, not the biological father nor her own parents. I know this is one sided, but maybe that is how she has or is still feeling. I have never heard or seen any support of her own family, just heard bad news about her own father.

She definetely is not the person who would put put her role as CP and future Queen above all other personal issues. (Just as other old monarchy members would have done out of a sense of duty). She is putting her son Marius above all else. You can criticize this, but from an emotional point of view as she is the mother, it is understandable. I am far away from sanctioning how she managed her son so far, but I try to understand the reasons why she is acting like she is, although many mothers including myself would have reacted in a different way.

She probably never knew what she was getting involved with when she married Haakon. Many people have criticized her laziness, her lack of engagements. She is not the ideal CP and poor Haakon is criticized for having married her. It was probably not the best choice, but I guess he was madly in love with her and probably still is.
And here again I am not defending Haakon, but try to understand his emotions and feelings. Because, after all, even though they are royal and rich and privileged, they still are humans who are not functioning perfectly.

You are asking all to take her feelings into account and that’s very charitable of you, but let me ask you this: what about the feelings of the young women’s mothers?

 

[hereditarytitles]

You are asking all to take her feelings into account and that’s very charitable of you, but let me ask you this: what about the feelings of the young women’s mothers?

You are right, that is the other side of the story. When I said in my post that I would have acted differently concerning my son, I meant to say that what Marius did, espcially violence against his girlfriends I would certainly have interferred and I have ZERO tolerance about violent acts against women.
My post was about trying to understand how she as a mother of that violent and criminal son is feeling. I don't defend her nor do I defend Haakon. Just trying to analyse why they are acting like they are acting.

 

[fabaunty]

MM will never do the same , she and the other senior members of the NRF have enabled Marius , financially , emotionally , and through the press embargo on his behaviour , that she explicitly, publicly called for . Their Majesties have , because of their own struggles to get married , have never set limit's on their children , witness their behaviour when ML has constantly broken her word on her agreed limits . No public action at all . MM was not a woman with no experience of the world when she willingly consented to marry Haakon , and make her son a part of the NRF , albeit with no royal status . (...) MM has shown that regardless of the job , [ and it is a big job ], she will put Marius first, regardless of her work with abused women , or men , or her other children . Always "poor Marius " , how he has suffered .

 

[Chimene]

You are right, that is the other side of the story. When I said in my post that I would have acted differently concerning my son, I meant to say that what Marius did, espcially violence against his girlfriends I would certainly have interferred and I have ZERO tolerance about violent acts against women.
My post was about trying to understand how she as a mother of that violent and criminal son is feeling. I don't defend her nor do I defend Haakon. Just trying to analyse why they are acting like they are acting.

Yes, I know where you are coming from and it’s very kind of you to want to understand her motivation. I don’t really understand how he escalated to this point myself.

The issue as it stands now is less about who’s to blame and more what should be done to find a solution, help/hold Marius accountable, and rectify the problem. Even if she as his mother is not thinking clearly, but where are the professionals around her?

My point of view is, she needed to move past her feelings a long time ago because that’s not a good place where logical decisions should be made. If not her, then someone should have understood the importance integrity in judging right from wrong.

 

[kalnel]

I'm not a big MM fan, but we're making a lot of assumptions here about what she actually did (or did not do). Her office has not confirmed or denied anything, so we're going off reports that "suggest" things, but prove nothing.

For instance, we really don't know what transpired the day Marius was arrested, apart from the police timeline.

Maybe she called him to give him the attorney's name and arrange to take him to meet the police. Maybe she went to his house to retrieve stuff he had borrowed that she didn't want made public, like laptops, family photos, or even weapons, not to "clean." There's nothing wrong with any of that.

We also don't know what kinds of strategies she has tried to get Marius straightened up over the years. We know Marius went to rehab previously, but for all we know, MM and the royal house may have spent the past 10 years desperately trying to "fix him."

But, as Durek said, Marius has to want help. (Imagine Durek being the voice of wisdom!)

We may never learn the answers to the questions surrounding MM, and until the drama around Marius dies down, we really won't know what the future will hold for her. My guess is that she'll avoid the public for the time being -- her illness may also drive that -- then we'll see how the public feels.