Marius Borg Høiby News & Current Events Part 1: December 2023 -


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How can you know that for sure? Unless you’re monitoring their SM 24/7.

By the way, a quick perusal of a few posts show that there are existing comments that criticize how this is being handled by the NRF.
I reviewed this post on IG and almost all the other comments were very supportive of the Crown Prince & Princess.

The point is the NRF isn't officially commenting.


 
I reviewed this post on IG and almost all the other comments were very supportive of the Crown Prince & Princess.
PhillyMonarchist is stating that no one is talking about this. That’s inaccurate. Whether the posts are supportive or not supportive, comments are being made about the situation itself and/or how it’s being handled by the NRF.
 
Dagbladet writes about the case:
Dagbladet is informed that after a party it was discovered that valuable silverware had been taken from the CP couple's residence. An attempt was made to sell it via an auction house, but was stopped. Dagbladet asked the Oslo police if the theft was reported, but hasn't received an answer.
The police investigation into Marius is ongoing at full strength. Dagbladet has tried to get in touch with his defender, Øyvind Bratlien, without success.
Experts on organized crime and security have previously said that Marius' circle of friends poses a security risk. At the recordings with the police Marius said:
- My friends have stood up for me and never involved me in any nonsense. They have their jobs and I do mine. We are good friends and they have been there for me when I've needed it, without there being anything dangerous that I couldn't have told you in a way. My circle of friends has been the same for the past ten years, and that's just the way it is. My parents know it, and so do my friends, and I can't do anything about that.
 
It's so tribal

It's not tribal Muhler. It's a political/economic system closing ranks with each other to maintain the status quo.

We've seen the same issues being played in many other monarchies in Europe, without the tribal component you think of as a Scandinavian.
Hmm, I'm not quite sure we talk about the same thing.
Yes, there are plenty of examples of the establishment/leading elite of the society or whatever you want to call it, covering up, also for royals.
I'm talking about the people agreeing to close their eyes to something in this case. And that's a pretty common thing in small countries with a small fairly homogeneous population. We tend to think and as such also act alike or in agreement and view things alike. That very much reminds of the mentality of a village or tribe.
He’s an addict. Neither his parents, nor the parents of the many millions of addicts in the world, stuffed substances up his nose, nor into his veins, or his lungs, or down his throat. He - and all the millions of other addicts- did it to himself.

Addicts can be very cunning, and it might be weeks or months or years before their families become aware. And surely most families take steps to address the problem, counseling, rehabilitation, hospitalization….What most families don’t do is call in the cops, or the newspapers, or the general world, to announce their son’s or daughter’s illness.

Many families do every thing they can to ‘cure’ their loved one, and to protect them, and to bring them to a state of healing so that the restored addict can go on with his/her life. They don’t need to be shamed and excoriated in the public square; they need to be protected, and ‘saved’. Until or unless events intercede, and then the whole thing explodes upon the public.

I can’t blame Marius’ (four) parents for doing what practically every other parent in the world would have done. Now he must face the consequences, but this sad story is far too common to be a huge morality play featuring the NRF. It’s a family tragedy, and surely there were outsiders who were only hoping to protecting all involved. It’s not an indictment of the NRF, or of the very human failings of their members.

It’s a sad story in which too many families find themselves involved.
I don't think anyone can disagree with what you say.
The problem is of course that the NRF is not a normal family. In contrast to the vast majority of other Norwegian families the NRF live their entire lives as public as possible and being the leading family of the country, that comes with both responsibility and scrutiny.
The major problem is that while most other Norwegian families can be pretty powerless in knowing how to deal with an addict within the family, the NRF, or at least the CP couple (we don't know yet to what extent if any King Harald was involved) were both warned and informed. And also had the resources at their disposal to act, up to and including the point of committing Marius by force - or at least keep him under some sort of house arrest at Skaugum and restrict his movements as much as possible while providing him with the best help Norway can offer.
Yet, Marius was allowed to exhibit worse and worse behavior and act more and more aggressive towards his surroundings, including smashing up his home, probably more than once.
They also had the option of keeping Marius away from his criminal friends as much as it was possible, by simply giving him a police escort each time he left Skaugum, with free hands to intervene. That alone should make Marius undesirable to his criminal friends.

In other words: The CP couple had options at their disposal that other Norwegian families in a similar situation can only dream of.

And Marius had victims. Four victims. - The three girlfriends his abused, probably several times each. And the man who was threatened on his life.

So there comes a point, also for normal families, where you have to intervene drastically, if you can. Or let your family-member sail on his own sea. Yet, the CP Couple did no such thing. So when would they have done something drastic? When he had killed or hospitalized a girlfriend? When he had run someone over? Killed himself?
I mean if we take this to the extreme Marius could very well at some point, because nothing was done and he was (well still is perhaps) getting worse, have beaten up his mother or Haakon, or hurt Magnus or Ingrid or for that matter have pushed King Harald over and given his age and frailty that could be pretty serious!
In normal Norwegian families if you hurt your grandfather you have a serious problem on your hands! If Marius had hurt his bonus-grandfather, Norway would have a serious problem!

The irony is that while it is indeed very shameful to have a Marius in your family and not knowing what do do and preferring to hide that to the public. The NRF in contrast would have been showered in sympathy by going public with their problems and being a role-model in how to deal with such an issue and as such being even more relatable had they gone public earlier.

I think what irks people, and indeed also disappoint people, it certainly irks me, is that the CO Couple not only did next to nothing, but allowed Marius to run more and more wild and it appears, did their best to cover it up - beyond the extent where Marius had become a real threat to other people.

It boils down to this: Your rights and your behavior don't trump my rights to feel safe.

Dagbladet writes about the case:
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- My friends have stood up for me and never involved me in any nonsense. They have their jobs and I do mine. We are good friends and they have been there for me when I've needed it, without there being anything dangerous that I couldn't have told you in a way. My circle of friends has been the same for the past ten years, and that's just the way it is. My parents know it, and so do my friends, and I can't do anything about that.
That's a load of bulldust!!

Your have a moral obligation to the society you are a part of.

Marius friends are not people who do a little insurance fraud, or is moonlighting or do a little shoplifting. These are hardcore criminals who has done time for serious crimes, not just once. And there are victims of their crimes!

So Marius is basically not only thumbing his nose at the Norwegian society, the laws, the system and the police, he is also thumbing his nose at the victims and he is openly saying that he doesn't give a hoot about them.

Marius, like everybody else has a choice:
If your friends are hardcore criminals you can either dumb them or stick to them.
If you choose to stick with them, don't say that what they do has nothing to do with you. It has. Because you accept and condone their behavior by remaining friends with them. And you put your own social needs above the victims of the crimes your friends commit.
 
That's a load of bulldust!!

Your have a moral obligation to the society you are a part of.

Marius friends are not people who do a little insurance fraud, or is moonlighting or do a little shoplifting. These are hardcore criminals who has done time for serious crimes, not just once. And there are victims of their crimes!

So Marius is basically not only thumbing his nose at the Norwegian society, the laws, the system and the police, he is also thumbing his nose at the victims and he is openly saying that he doesn't give a hoot about them.

Marius, like everybody else has a choice:
If your friends are hardcore criminals you can either dumb them or stick to them.
If you choose to stick with them, don't say that what they do has nothing to do with you. It has. Because you accept and condone their behavior by remaining friends with them. And you put your own social needs above the victims of the crimes your friends commit.
I was pretty horrified as his description of his criminal friends as doing "their jobs." Is "criminal" a job in Norway?
 
Hmm, I'm not quite sure we talk about the same thing.
Yes, there are plenty of examples of the establishment/leading elite of the society or whatever you want to call it, covering up, also for royals.
I'm talking about the people agreeing to close their eyes to something in this case. And that's a pretty common thing in small countries with a small fairly homogeneous population. We tend to think and as such also act alike or in agreement and view things alike. That very much reminds of the mentality of a village or tribe.

I don't think anyone can disagree with what you say.
The problem is of course that the NRF is not a normal family. In contrast to the vast majority of other Norwegian families the NRF live their entire lives as public as possible and being the leading family of the country, that comes with both responsibility and scrutiny.
The major problem is that while most other Norwegian families can be pretty powerless in knowing how to deal with an addict within the family, the NRF, or at least the CP couple (we don't know yet to what extent if any King Harald was involved) were both warned and informed. And also had the resources at their disposal to act, up to and including the point of committing Marius by force - or at least keep him under some sort of house arrest at Skaugum and restrict his movements as much as possible while providing him with the best help Norway can offer.
Yet, Marius was allowed to exhibit worse and worse behavior and act more and more aggressive towards his surroundings, including smashing up his home, probably more than once.
They also had the option of keeping Marius away from his criminal friends as much as it was possible, by simply giving him a police escort each time he left Skaugum, with free hands to intervene. That alone should make Marius undesirable to his criminal friends.

In other words: The CP couple had options at their disposal that other Norwegian families in a similar situation can only dream of.

And Marius had victims. Four victims. - The three girlfriends his abused, probably several times each. And the man who was threatened on his life.

So there comes a point, also for normal families, where you have to intervene drastically, if you can. Or let your family-member sail on his own sea. Yet, the CP Couple did no such thing. So when would they have done something drastic? When he had killed or hospitalized a girlfriend? When he had run someone over? Killed himself?
I mean if we take this to the extreme Marius could very well at some point, because nothing was done and he was (well still is perhaps) getting worse, have beaten up his mother or Haakon, or hurt Magnus or Ingrid or for that matter have pushed King Harald over and given his age and frailty that could be pretty serious!
In normal Norwegian families if you hurt your grandfather you have a serious problem on your hands! If Marius had hurt his bonus-grandfather, Norway would have a serious problem!

The irony is that while it is indeed very shameful to have a Marius in your family and not knowing what do do and preferring to hide that to the public. The NRF in contrast would have been showered in sympathy by going public with their problems and being a role-model in how to deal with such an issue and as such being even more relatable had they gone public earlier.

I think what irks people, and indeed also disappoint people, it certainly irks me, is that the CO Couple not only did next to nothing, but allowed Marius to run more and more wild and it appears, did their best to cover it up - beyond the extent where Marius had become a real threat to other people.

It boils down to this: Your rights and your behavior don't trump my rights to feel safe.
If they came out with this earlier they be called even confirmed the republicans would jump at the chance!
 
If they came out with this earlier they be called even confirmed the republicans would jump at the chance!
Well, they sure have a bigger problem now!

Everybody, even royals, can have issues within the family. That's what makes them relatable and that's the big strength of a monarchy.
Admitting and dealing with that makes them role-models. Even if they fail.
Not admitting that and not dealing with these issues, makes them questionable. And that's where the republicans come in for real.

Republicans are after all not bogeymen, most are sincere in their convictions.
In fact I suspect quite a few royals of being republicans deep down, because they of all people know the flaws and the personal price of a monarchy. They of course also know they have an opportunity, few will ever get, to really make a difference by being royals.
 
Well, they sure have a bigger problem now!

Everybody, even royals, can have issues within the family. That's what makes them relatable and that's the big strength of a monarchy.
Admitting and dealing with that makes them role-models. Even if they fail.
Not admitting that and not dealing with these issues, makes them questionable. And that's where the republicans come in for real.

Republicans are after all not bogeymen, most are sincere in their convictions.
In fact I suspect quite a few royals of being republicans deep down, because they of all people know the flaws and the personal price of a monarchy. They of course also know they have an opportunity, few will ever get, to really make a difference by being royals.

Agree. Not dealing with the issue is much worse than having the issue itself. No kids are perfect and parents can do everything "right" and still have a problem child. But its the enabling that is the issue.
3 victims have been abused physically and emotionally, the previous two were very close to the CP family.
One guard almost got seriously injured or even killed.
Property was stolen, taxpayer money in the form of the gas card was stolen.
all these things and not dealing with them??
I mean minimum, the diplomatic passport should have been taken away years ago?

the CP couple have responsibilities
 
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Agree. Not dealing with the issue is much worse than having the issue itself. No kids are perfect and parents can do everything "right" and still have a problem child. But its the enabling that is the issue.
3 victims have been abused physically and emotionally, the previous two were very close to the CP family.
One guard almost got seriously injured or even killed.
Property was stolen, taxpayer money in the form of the gas card was stolen.
all these things and not dealing with them??
I mean minimum, the diplomatic passport should have been taken away years ago?

the CP couple have responsibilities
I agree with the idea that the CP couple should have taken steps to deal with Marius, but it sounds to me like they have been trying. After all, Marius himself says he has been to rehab in the past, so they must have confronted him about this previously and tried to get him help.

For all we know, perhaps the reason he has been living at Skaugum was their (failed) attempt to keep him a little closer and, hopefully, out of harm's way.

The fact that MM called one of the victims suggests that they are involved with Marius's life and know his friends. That could be a very concerning thing, since some of his friends allegedly are criminals, but it is a sign that they are engaged with him. (Her call still strikes me as a terrible lapse in judgment, but it's consistent with her other lapses in judgment.)

I'm not concerned about the supposed incident with the guard, since that comes from Marius, who would not be a very credible reporter in my mind. It doesn't take a big leap to imagine him blowing this up to try to seem cool.

The story about the gas card is concerning, because it shows that really bad people are moving freely around the CP family home. The fact that it went undetected for a year isn't surprising, since it could be a card that many have access to. But, we don't know what steps, if any, Haakon or his household manager took once they uncovered the incident.

There's a lot to criticize in terms of how they have or haven't reacted so far, but unless they speak out, we won't know their perspective. (And, I'd still be advising them to remain silent until the whole thing is wrapped up in court.)
 
I don’t understand if Marius maintains that he isn’t guilty, why the reticence in talking to the police? And they’ve already interviewed others many times. Does Marius get to say “ I don’t wanna” and that is acceptable? Wow!

He is so spoiled probably thinks he could get away with this by denying any wrongdoing.
Is this case going to be heard in court someday?
 
It September 2023 two police detectives talked with Marius about drug use and his friends' shady activities. Se og Hør published a recording that documents that Marius' friends were investigated for dealing large quantities of drugs.
In January, just over three months later, a convicted friend of Marius moved to Dubai. The emirate has no extradition agreement with Norway, and has been revealed as a popular hangout for people from the West who are in the police's spotlight.
The man was in 2018 sentenced to two years in prison for defrauding several banks of millions, in a case complex in which his own father and a drug trafficker convicted many times were convicted. Dagbladet has revealed the man's connections to several people convicted of serious crime. The man, together with a 46-year-old with a gang past, has been involved in selling used luxury watches. But the accounts of the companies state a turnover of NOK 0.
Lawyer Øyvind Bratlien has not answered Dagbladet's questions and the police have no comments.
 
It September 2023 two police detectives talked with Marius about drug use and his friends' shady activities. Se og Hør published a recording that documents that Marius' friends were investigated for dealing large quantities of drugs.
In January, just over three months later, a convicted friend of Marius moved to Dubai. The emirate has no extradition agreement with Norway, and has been revealed as a popular hangout for people from the West who are in the police's spotlight.
The man was in 2018 sentenced to two years in prison for defrauding several banks of millions, in a case complex in which his own father and a drug trafficker convicted many times were convicted. Dagbladet has revealed the man's connections to several people convicted of serious crime. The man, together with a 46-year-old with a gang past, has been involved in selling used luxury watches. But the accounts of the companies state a turnover of NOK 0.
Lawyer Øyvind Bratlien has not answered Dagbladet's questions and the police have no comments.
:previous: These are bonafide criminals. Yikes! A court date for Maurius can't come soon enough.
 
I cannot help but wondering if both Marius and Märtha-Louise are victims of the ”we solve all our problems by having a friendly chat to each other over family dinner and that’s it” policy in the Norwegian Royal Family…. A view that seems to have been Haralds policy for decades, and obviously inherited by Haakon…

A view that says ”if we only talk to each other over family dinner or family evenings in front of the tv - no professional help from a third party is needed and we can put this aside as soon as possible”

It’s quite common and happens to some extent in every other family i dare to say, but what does it solve in the end ? Not much

If Marius has really recived any treatments at all for his alcohol and drug dependency, it cannot have been a lot as he is clearly still socializing with the same people that are fueling his issues… Breaking routines and established patterns are usually equally important parts of such treatments, as medical treatments to help get rid of the need for substances….

But all i see here is a man walking in to the police station together with an infamous ”gangster lawyer” to tell the police that he won’t say much - and then walking straight back out to partying and holidaying with the same people that fuels and encourages his behaviour and his substance abuse…. Seemingly totally unaffected by any police interrogation or professional treatment…
 
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One can have a nice little chat around the meal table to solve family differences unless the family member (i.e.Marius) is pathological and exhibits criminal behavior. This is so far beyond the NRF's ability to cope with.
 
One can have a nice little chat around the meal table to solve family differences unless the family member (i.e.Marius) is pathological and exhibits criminal behavior. This is so far beyond the NRF's ability to cope with.
Many families have been put in a similar position , attempting to guide a family member away from a path involving addiction , and criminality . Unfortunately Marius does not come from an average family . Yes MM grew up, and reshaped her life , all credit to her . She found a partner in Haakon, who was able to provide her with opportunities to grow both emotionally , and intellectually . However as I have said before , MM seems to have decided , indeed convinced the NRF that Marius's life has been so severely impacted by her marriage to Haakon , that Marius cannot be held accountable for any of his actions . Yes he apparently did have therapy , which after admitting he did not take seriously ,{ days after he was off on holiday in Italy , who paid the bill ? ], he then said he would take new therapy seriously . Sorry but it is quite apparent that the NRF have no intention of holding Marius accountable for his actions . Yes I agree that any family would not wish to have the frankly criminal actions of a family member splashed on the front pages of any media outlet . totally understandable , but there comes a time when you have to cut the cord , and protect the victims , and the innocent .
 
A clear majority believes that Marius should move from the CP couple's Skaugum residence for security reasons.
At recent InFact survey carried out for Nettavisen 47 % of the respondents believe that Marius should move. 30 % of the respondents answer that they are unsure, and only 22 % believe that he should stay.
51 % of men think he should move, while the share among women is somewhat lower, at 42 %.
Nettavisen tried to get a comment from Marius, who doesn't want to comment. Lawyer Øyvind Bratlien hasn't answered to the inquiries.
Nettavisen sent questions to the Palace regarding the security surrounding the CP family:
Are there any changes in the security measures as a result of the media coverage of Marius' circle of friends? How does the Palace assess the security situation at Skaugum? Have there been any assessments or discussions about Marius' presence at Skaugum in light of security aspects? Has the Palace spoken with Marius about his housing or security situation? Has it been discussed internally whether it is appropriate for him to move from Skaugum?
The Palace responds: Security around the CP family is well taken care of.
 
Hmmm... I just wonder how do we know, that Marius is an addict? Because he said so?

But perhaps did he say so, because that means less or no resposibilities for his deeds - A good idea, if one is perhaps soon faced with a criminal legal court!

Are there any professional opinions out there about is alledged addiction?

I mean, here in the Royal Forums we are all like: Poor Haakon and poor Mette-Marit! How could they probably get to an addict and soft talk him into rehab?

But many people manage their lifestyle under drugs - from alcohol to heroin! What if Marius wants to be this slightly sadistic gangsta?
 
A clear majority believes that Marius should move from the CP couple's Skaugum residence for security reasons.
At recent InFact survey carried out for Nettavisen 47 % of the respondents believe that Marius should move. 30 % of the respondents answer that they are unsure, and only 22 % believe that he should stay.
51 % of men think he should move, while the share among women is somewhat lower, at 42 %.
Nettavisen tried to get a comment from Marius, who doesn't want to comment. Lawyer Øyvind Bratlien hasn't answered to the inquiries.
Nettavisen sent questions to the Palace regarding the security surrounding the CP family:
Are there any changes in the security measures as a result of the media coverage of Marius' circle of friends? How does the Palace assess the security situation at Skaugum? Have there been any assessments or discussions about Marius' presence at Skaugum in light of security aspects? Has the Palace spoken with Marius about his housing or security situation? Has it been discussed internally whether it is appropriate for him to move from Skaugum?
The Palace responds: Security around the CP family is well taken care of.
Is Marius at his house at Skaugum right now? Or where is he? Besides furniture shopping🤦‍♀️
 
I understand Mette Marit and Haakon feeling out of their depth when Marius was well into his 20s, likely with long standing addictions and/or mental health issues, and a string of dysfunctional relationships and friendships. That’s a lot for any family to deal with effectively, even one with plenty of power and resources at their disposal.

On the other hand, I’m having a harder time picturing how someone like Marius becomes friends with a bunch of criminals who all seem to be significantly older than he is. Especially if it’s true these are the people he’s been hanging around for the past ten years. As a parent, your control over your 27 year old son is limited, but most 17 or 18 year olds are still not fully independent (and many are still entirely dependent on their families, at least financially) and therefore you still have plenty of influence over what they’re able to do. Even if Marius was already getting into trouble himself at that age, his family would have been able to put the fear of god into these ‘friends’ the very first time any of them came sniffing around.

And yes, I know MM has a history of questionable friendships herself, but peoples’ standards for their children tend to be higher, and Haakon would at least know better (and I’d bet a large amount of money that none of these people would be allowed to even breathe the same air as Ingrid and Magnus). So how was a very young Marius allowed to carry on his merry way?
 
Hmmm... I just wonder how do we know, that Marius is an addict? Because he said so?

But perhaps did he say so, because that means less or no resposibilities for his deeds - A good idea, if one is perhaps soon faced with a criminal legal court!

Are there any professional opinions out there about is alledged addiction?

I mean, here in the Royal Forums we are all like: Poor Haakon and poor Mette-Marit! How could they probably get to an addict and soft talk him into rehab?

But many people manage their lifestyle under drugs - from alcohol to heroin! What if Marius wants to be this slightly sadistic gangsta?
From what I have read through this forum , which I trust , and through Marius's own statements , to the police , he has spent much of this past decade in a dependence , not only with drugs and alcohol , but also on those who supplied him with them . Allowing them access to the CP couples / his publicly protected home , their belongings etc . I have not read , maybe I have missed them , any posts where the CP couple have been pitied for their failure to "soft talk " Marius into rehab . I have great sympathy for any family who is dealing with a situation where a family member is an addict , whilst still trying to maintain a stable life for other siblings . Brick walls are easier to deal with . Whether Marius enjoys his " gangsta persona is immaterial , to me . He and his parents need to face the reality of his admitted behaviour , not hide behind the " I'm an addict , pity me ", stance . It's not good enough .
 
In Marius’ case, I would say his parents have much more options than most parents of people in their late twenties as they clearly finance his lifestyle. There is no way he could afford his life just based on his official job that he has trouble carrying out.
 
Hmm, I'm not quite sure we talk about the same thing.
Yes, there are plenty of examples of the establishment/leading elite of the society or whatever you want to call it, covering up, also for royals.
I'm talking about the people agreeing to close their eyes to something in this case. And that's a pretty common thing in small countries with a small fairly homogeneous population. We tend to think and as such also act alike or in agreement and view things alike. That very much reminds of the mentality of a village or tribe.

We are talking about the same thing. I don't know if you realise that royal families/ political families and everyone in the elites, in small or big supranational countries, will protect their families at any cost.
 
We are talking about the same thing. I don't know if you realise that royal families/ political families and everyone in the elites, in small or big supranational countries, will protect their families at any cost.
And there are avenues in which such abuse of their wealth, power, and privilege can be rectified when caught. It’s one thing if John Doe wants to tap into his tribalism to hide his cub from the law, but it’s quite another when you are tasked to defend, exemplify, and apply it. The role of the press is extremely important here, when they’re not too busy distracting the villagers for profit.

I understand your point that it is what’s instinctive to us as humans, but I would argue that, as someone who has a fair dose of cynicism, I still believe that most of us are conscientious and have a moral compass. We would be extinct by now otherwise.
 
Hmm, I'm not quite sure we talk about the same thing.
Yes, there are plenty of examples of the establishment/leading elite of the society or whatever you want to call it, covering up, also for royals.
I'm talking about the people agreeing to close their eyes to something in this case. And that's a pretty common thing in small countries with a small fairly homogeneous population. We tend to think and as such also act alike or in agreement and view things alike. That very much reminds of the mentality of a village or tribe.

We are talking about the same thing. I don't know if you realise that royal families/ political families and everyone in the elites, in small or big supranational countries, will protect their families at any cost.
We are definitely not talking about the same thing.
And as I think I have tried to explain the tribal/village mindset here and elsewhere ad nauseam I shan't repeat myself.
 
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