Marius Borg Høiby News & Current Events Part 1: December 2023 -

[Ghost]

I wouldn't say that there are "completely different limits for press ethics" in Germany, that would apply IMO to Great Britain, for example the DailyMail, The Sun,or Express. However "Bild" is indeed not a solid paper and has some borderline reporting. It is known for exaggerated scandal headlines and gossip and yes, also for showing pictures that other papers wouldn't.
But the blame also goes to those people who are eager to sell those pictures.

If other big papers like "Die Welt" or "Die Zeit" are reporting at all about royals or scandals they usually do this in a way which considers press ethics.

I believe the same goes for the press in any country, UK included.

 

[Chimene]

I wouldn't say that there are "completely different limits for press ethics" in Germany, that would apply IMO to Great Britain, for example the DailyMail, The Sun,or Express. However "Bild" is indeed not a solid paper and has some borderline reporting. It is known for exaggerated scandal headlines and gossip and yes, also for showing pictures that other papers wouldn't.
But the blame also goes to those people who are eager to sell those pictures.

If other big papers like "Die Welt" or "Die Zeit" are reporting at all about royals or scandals they usually do this in a way which considers press ethics.

Don’t forget the public who consumes those pictures. The only reason there’s a market for it is because people buy them.

 

[hereditarytitles]

Don’t forget the public who consumes those pictures. The only reason there’s a market for it is because people buy them.

You are right! And I must admit and I am not the only one, if we are honest, we look at these pictures and read those articles. We are guilty too. The difference is that I would never subscribe to such tabloids or buy them, The internet has provided us with the possibility to read tabloids and we could abstain but we don't, or some people don't.

 

[ricarda]

Nettavisen commentator Asbjørn Svarstad has reported from Berlin for the past 30 years, and knows the German media well. He says about the Bild photos that in Germany there are obviously completely different limits for press ethics than in Norway. He warns the royal family.
- They should hire the most expensive lawyers they can find and go to war. If not, this will just continue and continue. What Bild is doing now is not without risk, although they have certainly had heavy legal help. The royal family must get legal help, otherwise these scandal magazines will only continue this.
He says the pressure on Marius from the German media is fierce, and it is directed just as much at Mette-Marit.
- She has been loved in many parts of Germany, and was "Cinderella" who came to Skaugum. But now that's over. They have changed their tone and ask how she could let this happen.

«Sjokk-bildene»: - Bør gå til krig

Tyske Bild fortsetter å kjøre ut «sjokk-bilder» av Marius Borg Høiby. Nå bør kongefamilien hyre de dyreste advokatene de finner, sier presseveteran.

www.dagbladet.no

What is striking: While Marius cuts a serious figure at official events, in private he likes to show off his tattoos. They now cover a large part of his upper body.

Marius Borg Høiby: Das steckt hinter seinen krassen Tattoos

Kronprinzessin Mette-Marits Skandal-Sohn Marius liebt seine Tattoos. BILD erklärt, was sie bedeuten.

www.bild.de

Sorry, but that's hypocrisy by a Norwegian journalist.
"The pressure on Marius and MM by the German media is fierce"
Oh, there is no fierce pressure by the Norwegian media? Even one of the victims spoke of a witchhunt.
Not defending "Bild" though, I wouldn't use that trash for my cats' toilets. But I don't think Norwegian Se og Hör is any better.

And from what I have seen there is actually still a lot of sympathy for MM in Germany.

 

[Chimene]

You are right! And I must admit and I am not the only one, if we are honest, we look at these pictures and read those articles. We are guilty too. The difference is that I would never subscribe to such tabloids or buy them, The internet has provided us with the possibility to read tabloids and we could abstain but we don't, or some people don't.

Agreed. I include myself as well since I’m here gawking and yapping. However, I probably come across as sanctimonious or preachy to many, but I believe I can indulge in gossip without losing sight of truth. Keeping those who demand or require my support and respect honest, as well as the ones who seek to profit from that indulgence, is my way of offsetting my part in the whole enterprise.

 

[Muhler]

Well, this is of course slightly off topic, but even though I won't buy a gossip magazine if I can avoid it and I personally disapprove of paparazzi photos unless they serve a purpose, I have no qualms about finding and posting free material from gossip mags here.
After all this is a royal forum and as such we have to gather information from all sorts of sources in order to discuss and verify that info. Fact-check things and figure out what is up and down in order to present the most comprehensive and correct picture as possible of what is going on.
To that comes that a number of members here have expert knowledge about fashion, genealogy and as such can provide additional details.
After all a lot of people come here in order to get the most factual news and information as possible. - And if that means we occasionally have to use even disreputable magazines as sources, so be it.

My personal criteria is: Does it serve a purpose and is it relevant to post XYZ here?

 

[ladongas]

Sorry, but that's hypocrisy by a Norwegian journalist.
"The pressure on Marius and MM by the German media is fierce"
Oh, there is no fierce pressure by the Norwegian media? Even one of the victims spoke of a witchhunt.
Not defending "Bild" though, I wouldn't use that trash for my cats' toilets. But I don't think Norwegian Se og Hör is any better.

And from what I have seen there is actually still a lot of sympathy for MM in Germany.

People who have adult children with drug and other problems may be sympathetic, and there are a lot of them worldwide.

 

[Tatiana Maria]

Oh, there is no fierce pressure by the Norwegian media? Even one of the victims spoke of a witchhunt.

I interpreted Nora Haukland's post as referring to the reactions on social media.

Not defending "Bild" though, I wouldn't use that trash for my cats' toilets. But I don't think Norwegian Se og Hör is any better.
And from what I have seen there is actually still a lot of sympathy for MM in Germany.

The entire Marius Borg Høiby saga began with Se og Hør breaking the news of his assault and vandalism arrest - and Se og Hør has also broken many important royal news stories in the past.

(..)

 

[PhillyMonarchist]

you can never hate the media enough
(..)

 

[LadyFinn]

Reputation expert Trond Blindheim thinks Marius practically "lives for free", given his low income and that most people perceive the silence as confirmation of that. His wild lifestyle is largely financed by taxpayers, which many find very provocative.
Blindheim thinks Haakon and Mette-Marit have dialogue with advisers and Marius. It would have been much better to say "I want to help my son in a difficult time" than to be silent. A lawyer's advice is to say as little as possible. But in this case, with such fierce interest, which escalates and is unequivocally negative, it would have been smart to say something the public understands. The large, negative publicity takes a toll on the Royal House's reputation. It's damage reduction now. Haakon and Mette-Marit will say more at some point but with everything that has been said and not said after the events, it is too late. The desire to protect Marius and Mette-Marit with silence is completely wrong. And no matter how much his mother might want it, Marius is not a private person. The Palace must take that into account.

Refser taus Mette-Marit: – Skattebetalerne betaler for sønnens utsvevende liv

Omdømme-ekspert svært kritisk til kongefamiliens taushet: – Jeg tror Marius bor «gratis».

www.nettavisen.no

Juliane Snekkestad and Marius lived in Tønsberg until autumn 2022. The case in which she is offended has therefore been investigated in the South-East police district.
The police informs that the investigation has been moved to the Oslo police district, which is investigating the rest of the cases against Marius.
"We can confirm that the Oslo police district has taken over the case from the South-East police district where Juliane Snekkestad has been offended. It has until now been dealt with in the South-East police district, which has conducted two interviews with her," writes communications adviser Tommy Hiorth-Lillefjære in the South-East police district to TV 2.

Høiby-saken: Flytter etterforskningen til Oslo

TV 2 Nyheter Livestudio - Siste nytt i dag

www.tv2.no

 

[LadyFinn]

Marius has got a restraining order against the third offended woman
The order lasts until March next year. This is confirmed by the woman's lawyer and the police to NRK.
The restraining order means that Marius cannot contact the offended woman in any way, either physically or digitally.
- The order applies from today until March 2025. Will not comment further, Mette Yvonne Larsen in an SMS to NRK.
The woman initially did not want a restraining order, but has now changed her mind.
Marius and the woman have had a romantic relationship. In the wake of the incident in the woman's apartment, the two have been in contact.
Aftenposten first mentioned the ban on visits. Larsen tells that the visiting ban was considered necessary.
Andreas Kruszewski has taken over as prosecutor in the case. In a press release on Tuesday, the police write that Marius has agreed to the order. This came into force on the second of September.
- The basis for the restraining order is that the victim wants it. Beyond this, the Oslo police district will not go into details about the background.
Juliane Snekkestad's lawyer Petter J. Grødem says that there is no restraining order between Marius and his client. They have not requested it.

Marius Borg Høiby ilagt besøksforbud mot fornærmet kvinne

Besøksforbudet varer til mars neste år. Det bekrefter kvinnens bistandsadvokat og politiet til NRK.

www.nrk.no

Marius Borg Høiby er ilagt besøksforbud

Får ikke lenger besøke kvinnen han var hos i en leilighet på Frogner natt til 4. august.

www.nettavisen.no

Høiby er ilagt besøksforbud

Besøksforbudet gjelder frem til mars 2025.

www.vg.no

Se og Hør reveals that in the time after the incident in the apartment at Frogner, Marius allegedly harassed his ex-girlfriend with text messages. In addition, he allegedly carried out a form of telephone terror against the woman. At all hours of the day, Marius must have tried to call her.
It has gone so far that Marius has been reported for "reckless behaviour".
Marius has also been banned from visiting the woman.
It is particularly serious when an accused in a case of violence carries out this type of action against the victim, who is also a witness in the case.

Telefonterror mot ekskjæresten

Mette-Marits sønn skal ha drevet med telefonterror mot ekskjæresten etter voldshendelsen. Han er også ilagt besøksforbud mot kvinnen.

www.seher.no

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[Tatiana Maria]

Why March? Is that the standard duration for a temporary restraining order?

I do wonder what caused the victim to have a change of mind about remaining in contact with Marius and whether the recent video of him visiting a bar in Italy and seemingly drinking and being accompanied by a girlfriend who may or may not have been her had anything to do with it.

The victim seems to be showing consideration towards the royal family and attempting to minimize the effect of the case on them: first by downplaying the Crown Princess's making contact with her, and now by asking for her restraining order only after Princess Märtha Louise's wedding festivities have ended.

Reputation expert Trond Blindheim thinks Marius practically "lives for free", given his low income and that most people perceive the silence as confirmation of that. His wild lifestyle is largely financed by taxpayers, which many find very provocative.
[...]

Refser taus Mette-Marit: – Skattebetalerne betaler for sønnens utsvevende liv

Omdømme-ekspert svært kritisk til kongefamiliens taushet: – Jeg tror Marius bor «gratis».

www.nettavisen.no

But that isn't true, is it? The main point of the Royal House/Royal Family distinction is supposed to be that only the members of the Royal House have their lifestyle financed by taxpayers.

 

[JR76]

Why March? Is that the standard duration for a temporary restraining order?

I do wonder what caused the victim to have a change of mind about remaining in contact with Marius and whether the recent video of him visiting a bar in Italy and seemingly drinking and being accompanied by a girlfriend who may or may not have been her had anything to do with it.

The victim seems to be showing consideration towards the royal family and attempting to minimize the effect of the case on them: first by downplaying the Crown Princess's making contact with her, and now by asking for her restraining order only after Princess Märtha Louise's wedding festivities have ended.



But that isn't true, is it? The main point of the Royal House/Royal Family distinction is supposed to be that only the members of the Royal House have their lifestyle financed by taxpayers.

If Marius' mother and stepfather use part of their appanage to support him then his lifestyle can be seen by some as being funded by the taxpayers.

 

[Princess_Eleanor]

Well, as we can see there is still zero improvement with Marius' behaviour. He kept terrorizing the young woman with phone calls and texts until he got a restraining order. I really don't see how the NRF can keep accepting his behaviour. Mette-Marit and Haakon have to tell him it can't go on like this.

 

[Somebody]

Why March? Is that the standard duration for a temporary restraining order?

My guess would be that it's a 6 months order - which indeed seems like a standard time period.

 

[hereditarytitles]

If Marius' mother and stepfather use part of their appanage to support him then his lifestyle can be seen by some as being funded by the taxpayers.

That is quite an interesting question. I really don't know how the royal courts are being financed, ok they get an apanage because they "work" as representatives for their country (I always try to understand how it works by our federal president who gets a huge salary for representing the country). But, I assume any royal house in Europe has accumulated much wealth from past centuries, some European royals more than others. But how much there is in wealth, such as in trust funds, large agricultural or wood property or inheritated jewels, paintings and other items of great wealth, we just don't know. I believe that nobody who belongs to a royal family in Europe will be in need of money if he doesn't have a regular job as we (the peasants) have.
In a case like this with a suspion of a family member being funded by taxpayers money I can imagine the protests.

 

[llj]

I really don't see how the NRF can keep accepting his behaviour. Mette-Marit and Haakon have to tell him it can't go on like this.

They may have had many conversations over the years but Marius will not or cannot change his ways. We don't know what the family has been doing behind the scenes. Dealing with family members suffering from mental illness and/or addiction is complicated, difficult, and often very sad.

 

[Tatiana Maria]

Today, September 3, 2024, the Royal Court announced the King's decision to remove Marius Borg Høiby's (and four other individuals') official membership of the Royal Family.

Information and discussion on the decision:

Constitutional and Dynastic Matters in the Norwegian Monarchy

But which family members of diplomatic personnel or presidents typically receive diplomatic passports? Anne Sacoolas, although a CIA employee at some point, was originally described as "the wife of a diplomat". Death of Harry Dunn - Wikipedia

www.theroyalforums.com

As Marius Borg Høiby has no title, no rights to the throne, and no direct taxpayer funding, and he already formally withdrew from public life in 2017, I believe this decision leaves him stripped of all official ties to the monarchy or state, making him technically a completely private person.

Let us see if that alters his behavior, the public's perceptions of him, or the media's treatment of his criminal investigation.

 

[Royalist.in.NC]

It's called DNA. In my educated opinion Marius unfortunately received a genetic profile from both his mother and father that has left him behaviorially defenseless. We also don't know what his first 3 years were like to trigger what has now become his 27 year old self. There are specific long-term treatment programs available that can bring about positive changes in Marius. Hopefully this will be part of the court mandated incarcerated sentencing.

Many of us view Marius, including myself, through an ethnocentric lens which only gives us insight into ourselves. With specialized long-term incarcerated treatment Marius's pathological violent behaviors may be modified. I think there is hope for Marius but it will require serious intervention.

IIRC, Marius’ bio dad was not in a relationship with MM. Both parents were doing drugs, I can’t imagine she was trying to get pregnant. So who knows what/if he was exposed to in utero? Who knows what he experienced in his father’s care? We know this affects the brain and how it wires. When I was working as a counselor, I saw the effects on children whose parents were/are using Every. Single. Day. Fortunately, our brains are resilient but children need extra and specialized help to heal this trauma. I agree that Marius needs serious intervention. If MM is still in protective mode, she may not insure that he gets it - here’s hoping it’s court ordered.

 

[Royalist.in.NC]

Why March? Is that the standard duration for a temporary restraining order?

I do wonder what caused the victim to have a change of mind about remaining in contact with Marius and whether the recent video of him visiting a bar in Italy and seemingly drinking and being accompanied by a girlfriend who may or may not have been her had anything to do with it.

The victim seems to be showing consideration towards the royal family and attempting to minimize the effect of the case on them: first by downplaying the Crown Princess's making contact with her, and now by asking for her restraining order only after Princess Märtha Louise's wedding festivities have ended.



But that isn't true, is it? The main point of the Royal House/Royal Family distinction is supposed to be that only the members of the Royal House have their lifestyle financed by taxpayers.

I have no clue about restraining orders in Norway, but in the US, I’ve seen them for 48 hours up to whenever the court case is scheduled. IMHO a restraining order for 6 months (March) shows the judge is considering this to be serious.

 

[LadyFinn]

TV 2 about Marius' restraining order
TV 2 is informed that the basis for the restraining order is a new report about reckless behaviour.
The woman's lawyer Mette Yvonne Larsen denies that it is the woman who has reported Marius.
- She has not reported him again for anything, says Larsen to TV 2.
But is there a new review?
- I think you have to talk to the police about that. I will not say more than what I have said now. There is a restraining order and there are things that have happened in recent times that have made it necessary.

Opplysninger til TV 2: Marius Borg Høiby anmeldt for hensynsløs atferd

Kronprinsessens sønn er ilagt besøksforbud på grunn av hendelser som har skjedd i nyere tid, sier kvinnens bistandsadvokat.

www.tv2.no

A couple of days ago TV 2 wrote that a previously convicted man in his 30s, who has been friends with Marius for several years, was recently charged in an extensive drug case. Marius is not involved in the ongoing investigation against his friend, with whom he has been in London, among other things.

Høiby-venn siktet i alvorlig narkotikasak

En tidligere straffedømt mann i 30-årene, som har vært venn med Marius Borg Høiby i flere år, ble nylig siktet i en omfattende narkotikasak.

www.tv2.no

 

[polyesco]

So the restraining order is not due to the abuse suffered on August 4th but due to more recent events/incidents?? the text messaging?

 

[Toledo]

Well, this is of course slightly off topic, but even though I won't buy a gossip magazine if I can avoid it and I personally disapprove of paparazzi photos unless they serve a purpose, I have no qualms about finding and posting free material from gossip mags here.
After all this is a royal forum and as such we have to gather information from all sorts of sources in order to discuss and verify that info. Fact-check things and figure out what is up and down in order to present the most comprehensive and correct picture as possible of what is going on.
To that comes that a number of members here have expert knowledge about fashion, genealogy and as such can provide additional details.
After all a lot of people come here in order to get the most factual news and information as possible. - And if that means we occasionally have to use even disreputable magazines as sources, so be it.

My personal criteria is: Does it serve a purpose and is it relevant to post XYZ here?

All I want to know is how long until we have a Big Brother House of Adjacent Royals TV show with Marius, the Duke of York, Durek, Harry, Queen Noor, Alexandra, Countess of Frederiksborg, etc. I propose filming it in Frogmore

Kidding aside, Re tabloids, they are all manipulated with only the intention to sell a cover with a scandalous headline. If Europe had no royals, tabloids would limit the coverage to media celebrities as they do in the USA because no one really cares on what the families of elected politicians do. Royals are a big business for tabloids.

But here, the advantage is RF has the ability to filter out the garbage tabloids manufacture because we have more eyes on other sources of information to refute it in here. I

have to say, in terms of curated news about royals what we see, post and comment on in here is more accurate because everyone helps out with the research as the day and the time zones gets more members to read and review on the articles.

 

[Moonmaiden23]

I wouldn't say that there are "completely different limits for press ethics" in Germany, that would apply IMO to Great Britain, for example the DailyMail, The Sun,or Express. However "Bild" is indeed not a solid paper and has some borderline reporting. It is known for exaggerated scandal headlines and gossip and yes, also for showing pictures that other papers wouldn't.
But the blame also goes to those people who are eager to sell those pictures.

If other big papers like "Die Welt" or "Die Zeit" are reporting at all about royals or scandals they usually do this in a way which considers press ethics.

Is house arrest an option for Marius at his sentencing?
I must say that walking around wearing a T-shirt emblazoned with "F#ck the kingdom" does not sound reassuring regarding his state of mind.

 

[maria-olivia]

In belgian Justice should have done their work since August 4th. Marius is guitly for different things against the law and travelling in Italy should be forbidden. I hope he is now back to Norway.

 

[hereditarytitles]

Is house arrest an option for Marius at his sentencing?
I must say that walking around wearing a T-shirt emblazoned with "F#ck the kingdom" does not sound reassuring regarding his state of mind.

I agree. I found the photo, "The Line King", really bad

Mette-Marits Sohn: Schmiss Marius Drogenpartys im Schloss?

BILD liegt ein drittes Schock-Foto von Mette-Marits Sohn vor. Es zeigt, wie Marius Borg Høiby sich über seinen Kokainkonsum und seine Familie lustig macht.

www.bild.de

I agree. I found the photo, "The Line King", really bad

Mette-Marits Sohn: Schmiss Marius Drogenpartys im Schloss?

BILD liegt ein drittes Schock-Foto von Mette-Marits Sohn vor. Es zeigt, wie Marius Borg Høiby sich über seinen Kokainkonsum und seine Familie lustig macht.

www.bild.de

I just saw that the photo only shows the upper part, must be because of the paywall(although I could see it ). But the shirt has these words printed "The Line King" and "F...the kingdom"

 

[Princess_Eleanor]

They may have had many conversations over the years but Marius will not or cannot change his ways. We don't know what the family has been doing behind the scenes. Dealing with family members suffering from mental illness and/or addiction is complicated, difficult, and often very sad.

I have a lot of understanding for mental illnesses and addiction, what I don't have understanding for is Marius' constant harassment of women.

I did not expect that Marius would change his ways completely overnight, but that he would keep terrorizing the victim when he is already being charged with offenses against her is incredibly stupid. This will only increase his sentence!

Mette-Marit and Haakon might have had many conversations with Marius over the years, what I am not so certain of is whether there have been consequences for his behaviour. And whether there are consequences now!

Marius partying in Italy for instance. With what money? He has got a low income from his repair business and judging by the scooter he did not repair over the course of one year (!), he probably doesn't work a lot. Thus, a very low income. So where does the money come from? Obviously his mother and stepfather.

This is where I'd start. I can understand that they don't want Marius to end up on the streets. He's got a house on their estate, give him an allowance for necessities and pay for therapy and addiction treatment if he is willing to go, sure, but there is absolutely no need to fund a 27-year-old person's luxury lifestyle if he behaves like this. You're not even doing him a favour, he'd be much better off learning personal and financial responsibility.

 

[Tatiana Maria]

I think that is a sensible analysis. However, since his father also married into a wealthy family, it is at least conceivable that his discretionary spending could be funded by Morten and Celine as well as or instead of Mette-Marit and Haakon.

 

[llj]

I think that is a sensible analysis. However, since his father also married into a wealthy family, it is at least conceivable that his discretionary spending could be funded by Morten and Celine as well as or instead of Mette-Marit and Haakon.

There is always the possibility that he is getting money through other avenues, and some of those avenues might be more than unsavory. I hope it is not the case but, apart from his violent behavior, its his activities that we don't yet know about that concern me most.

 

[Silverpot]

It's very difficult to be a parent to a child with mental health problems, it's impossible to do things right.
Very close friends of mine had a daughter who started acting out while still a minor, taking drugs and cutting herself. The parents, the health care and social authorities did everything they could to turn her away from this self destruction, but to no avail, she ran away from every rehabilitation home she was sent to. Came back home to demand money, screaming and shouting, trashing their home if she didn't get her way. They gave her money, in the hope she wouldn't prostitute herself. It didn't work though. She died from an overdose at the age of 26, leaving her parents completey broken, both financially and mentally. It's 15 years ago now but they still haven't recovered.
Knowing this girl and her behaviour towards her parents, I can easily see how Marius is "blackmailing" his parents to submit to his demands. Otherwise he'd threaten to run amok at Skaugum.
My heart goes out to M-M and Haakon, I can easily understand what they have been through, having seen this myself at close quarters. Also having to hear from the-know-it-alls how they should've done this or shouldn't have done that. Not easy.
It's not a question of spoiling the child or being too soft, it's about surviving and hamper the damage.