Maria-Olympia, Konstantinos, Achileas, Odysseas, Aristidis Events & News 2: 2022-2024


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Personally, I don't like Prince Constantine, he is a good boy, but I see him as very idle... . I don't know Poppy, but I've been reading comments about her, and the truth is, these comments talk about bad habits, parties... I don't know if this is true or not, but she does not raise much sympathy. I think age is the least important, and I'm sorry to say it, but these relationships are, as a member has said before, the ones that resist because they believe they are fighting criticism, and that reinforces their relationship.
 
:previous: I personally prefer to refrain from predicting the longevity of other people's relationships :flowers:
 
Yes, he's like Grandfather, Miller. But these photos have not been publihed by him. I read that it was at the friend´s account .
 
He resembles his sister the most I think, before she grew into her present looks. Pavlos and MC will soon have an empty nest.
 
All the children seem to favor MC's mother, although Aristidis seems to have a bit more of his father's looks in him.
 
kalnel said:
I burst out laughing when I saw this picture. Years ago, having a prince with an older, separated (is she divorced?), half-naked woman crawling on him on a yacht in Ibiza would have been scandalous. Now it just defines "playboy prince."
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LOl can hera you laughing,
but its the Greek ex-royals, with a long way profanising the last bit of dignity the family once had,
would be different in other countries, I hope ? Is it? :eek:
 
valeas said:
LOl can hera you laughing,
but its the Greek ex-royals, with a long way profanising the last bit of dignity the family once had,
would be different in other countries, I hope ? Is it? :eek:
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Probably not so different anywhere these days. Dignity and discretion are in short supply around the world. :)
 
Ironic, isn't it? Queen Frederiki came up with the idea of the Agamemnon Cruise in order to keep Royal links alive...
Now her great-grandchildren are up to PDA in much smaller watercraft.? ?

On a serious note: Poppy is still married, that's shameful.
 
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If she is separated and both her and her husband have agreed they are going for divorce I don’t think its shameful- divorce in the UK can take some time to complete (if thats wheres they are divorcing) so its not unreasonable for a couple to be seeing other people while separated in my opinion.
 
kalnel said:
I burst out laughing when I saw this picture. Years ago, having a prince with an older, separated (is she divorced?), half-naked woman crawling on him on a yacht in Ibiza would have been scandalous. Now it just defines "playboy prince."
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It would be different of course if Constantine-Alexios were in line for a real throne. See in other threads the reaction to his second cousin's (I mean, Prince Christian's) summer photos, which are much less scandalous in comparison (at least in my opinion).
 
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Mbruno said:
It would be different of course if Constantine-Alexios were in line for a real throne. See in other threads the reaction to his second cousin's (I mean, Prince Christian's) summer photos, which are much less scandalous in comparison (at least in my opinion).
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I agree. There wasn’t anything scandalous about Christian’s summer activities.

Since Constantine-Alexios and his siblings have no responsibilities to a royal family, country, or throne, I view them as “titled celebrity rich kids” more than “royals.”

A playboy on a yacht with his much-older, maybe-divorced celebrity squeeze? More a cliche and a yawn than a scandal.
 
Adda said:
Ironic, isn't it? Queen Frederiki came up with the idea of the Agamemnon Cruise in order to keep Royal links alive...
Now her great-grandchildren are up to PDA in much smaller watercraft.? ?

On a serious note: Poppy is still married, that's shameful.[/

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kalnel said:
Since Constantine-Alexios and his siblings have no responsibilities to a royal family, country, or throne, I view them as “titled celebrity rich kids” more than “royals.”
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Hmm... For me a part of the fascination with Royal and Noble families is their centuries old struggle to be somebody, to rise in the society.

And some really think and plan and struggle with extremely long term planing. The Habsburgs for example lost a large fortune, because back then the did not aggree with the demand of the Democrats to step back for good. They lost vast riches for the possibility to come back onto their throne. One might think, this was stupid, because who cares anyway about some promises - but it is, what it is!

The Greek Royal family here: The Princes married all very rich daughters, what means, they have monies now, some blackpowder to ignite a new rise.

And Greece is a country in turmoil and close to bankruptcy. Possibilities might appear to close the cleavages of society with something unifying.

But if the Greek Royals continue on their way, they will not be considered.

So, what have they: Money. But money, a mere financial position, is very much endangered by volatility, the ups and downs of the market. Royalty on the other hand is a very stable position!
 
:previous: Royalty in the egalitarian 21st century is anything but stable. Almost every monarchy today is under pressure to justify its relevance and existence.

Given a choice between having to tap dance for a critical press and a resentful populace amid growing Republican movements, and the freedom of having limitless wealth where I am answerable to no one except my own conscience, I will always choose the latter.

The Glucksberg/Millers have got it made imho.

And I say this as someone who leans toward being a monarchist.
 
victor1319 said:
Hmm... For me a part of the fascination with Royal and Noble families is their centuries old struggle to be somebody, to rise in the society.

And some really think and plan and struggle with extremely long term planing. The Habsburgs for example lost a large fortune, because back then the did not aggree with the demand of the Democrats to step back for good. They lost vast riches for the possibility to come back onto their throne. One might think, this was stupid, because who cares anyway about some promises - but it is, what it is!

The Greek Royal family here: The Princes married all very rich daughters, what means, they have monies now, some blackpowder to ignite a new rise.

And Greece is a country in turmoil and close to bankruptcy. Possibilities might appear to close the cleavages of society with something unifying.

But if the Greek Royals continue on their way, they will not be considered.

So, what have they: Money. But money, a mere financial position, is very much endangered by volatility, the ups and downs of the market. Royalty on the other hand is a very stable position!
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The fall of the Habsburgs had far more important losses than money. Some members of the family did step back, but members of the main-line didn’t and they left the country. Plus the loss of assets didn’t just have to do with the new republic but also Nazis. The fall of the Habsburgs had far wider consequences than with the former Greek monarchy. Additionally, it was foreign powers who further encouraged the downfall of the Habsburgs.

The economic instability of Greece has nothing to do with the former family, but by Greek politicians. There are fewer monarchies today for all types of reasons
 
Moonmaiden23 said:
:previous: Royalty in the egalitarian 21st century is anything but stable. Almost every monarchy today is under pressure to justify its relevance and existence.

Given a choice between having to tap dance for a critical press and a resentful populace amid growing Republican movements, and the freedom of having limitless wealth where I am answerable to no one except my own conscience, I will always choose the latter.

The Glucksberg/Millers have got it made imho.

And I say this as someone who leans toward being a monarchist.
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In a way they have it made and a way they don't.

If the Danish, British, or Spain's monarchies go then there go their sense of entitlement. They still very much live socially off of those connections.

I do wonder what's going to happen to them once Margrethe and Sofia passes on, would the families still be close and regularly invited?
 
SirGyamfi1 said:
The fall of the Habsburgs had far more important losses than money. Some members of the family did step back, but members of the main-line didn’t and they left the country. Plus the loss of assets didn’t just have to do with the new republic but also Nazis. The fall of the Habsburgs had far wider consequences than with the former Greek monarchy. Additionally, it was foreign powers who further encouraged the downfall of the Habsburgs.

The economic instability of Greece has nothing to do with the former family, but by Greek politicians. There are fewer monarchies today for all types of reasons
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Well, the difference is really between reigning and not reignig monarchies in Europe. Those who are still in the focus, although they don't have much to say and decide when it comes to political decisions, are the Netherlands, Belgium, Luxembourg, Liechtenstein, Monaco, Sweden, Norway, Denmark, Spain. Correct me if I left some country out.

All those other royals or descendants of nobility are interesting for us in this forum, but quite irrelevant for the rest of the world IMO.

I can understand that the Habsburgs, Sayn-Witgensteins, GF of Prussia , just to name a few, and any other ancient and obsolete nobles are clinging to their status and don't want to be forgotten. If you and I belonged to such a family we probably would adhere to it too.

The big difference is how those descendants present themselves in public. I am sure they have their networks , just as the famous and rich have. They usually watch out that no outsider comes into their circles (there are exceptions).
But in reality monarchies in our society are just a relic of the past. And if they don't "behave properly" they will loose the estimation of their people.
That is probably the reason why they all are trying to be on top, shaking off old habits and being modern (the British are a very good example IMO).
if they want to survive they have to work, engage themselves in social issues, be there when there are problems in their country, show why they are still important.

The devotion and acceptance of Kings and Kaisers in the past are long gone, which is a normal and lucky development in history.
 
victor1319 said:
Hmm... For me a part of the fascination with Royal and Noble families is their centuries old struggle to be somebody, to rise in the society.

And some really think and plan and struggle with extremely long term planing. The Habsburgs for example lost a large fortune, because back then the did not aggree with the demand of the Democrats to step back for good. They lost vast riches for the possibility to come back onto their throne. One might think, this was stupid, because who cares anyway about some promises - but it is, what it is!

The Greek Royal family here: The Princes married all very rich daughters, what means, they have monies now, some blackpowder to ignite a new rise.

And Greece is a country in turmoil and close to bankruptcy. Possibilities might appear to close the cleavages of society with something unifying.

But if the Greek Royals continue on their way, they will not be considered.

So, what have they: Money. But money, a mere financial position, is very much endangered by volatility, the ups and downs of the market. Royalty on the other hand is a very stable position!
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That's an interesting take on things. My sense is that even with all the money in the world, the Greek princes have little chance of being restored. And, Pavlos and Nikolaos keep saying that is not one of their goals.

King Constantine was deposed half a century ago, so probably 3/4 of the Greek population has never known a king. Anyone who aspires to restoring a monarchy would have to make a very strong case about the value a king would bring, especially given the costs and lifestyle.

It seems clear that at this point in his life, Constantine-Alexios is not the person to make such a case, nor does he seem inclined to take that on.

And, why would he? He's rich enough that he can spend his days lounging around yachts with women cuddling up to him, pausing only for the occasional photo shoot or party. Would someone living a life like that want to trade it for hard work, unglamorous events, political pressure, and endless media commentary?

If he and his siblings were trying to make the case for a return of the Greek monarchy, I imagine that they'd be living in Greece, working hard for charitable causes, making connections, serving in the military, and proving their worth.

I don't fault C-A for his lifestyle (at least what we know of it), but he and his siblings seem to have opted for celebrity, not royalty.
 
kalnel said:
If he and his siblings were trying to make the case for a return of the Greek monarchy, I imagine that they'd be living in Greece, working hard for charitable causes, making connections, serving in the military, and proving their worth.

I don't fault C-A for his lifestyle (at least what we know of it), but he and his siblings seem to have opted for celebrity, not royalty.
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It's pretty hard to serve in the military of a country that refuses to acknowledge your citizenship, afaik.

For the rest of it, is there any evidence the Greek governments would be less hostile or indifferent to Pavlos's children trying to deepen their connections there? Nikolaos has fulfilled the ideal, but aside from being respected by a certain segment, there's also not much evidence of his worthy actions energizing a monarchist movement, or anything like that.

Pavlos has done the practical thing and acknowledged the monarchy is not coming back and he is not going to be the one to push for a restoration, so why fault his children for shirking their imagined "duties"? I get the sense if they were living middle-class completely anonymous lives, there'd be much less disapproval.
 
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hereditarytitles said:
Well, the difference is really between reigning and not reignig monarchies in Europe. Those who are still in the focus, although they don't have much to say and decide when it comes to political decisions, are the Netherlands, Belgium, Luxembourg, Liechtenstein, Monaco, Sweden, Norway, Denmark, Spain. Correct me if I left some country out.

All those other royals or descendants of nobility are interesting for us in this forum, but quite irrelevant for the rest of the world IMO.

I can understand that the Habsburgs, Sayn-Witgensteins, GF of Prussia , just to name a few, and any other ancient and obsolete nobles are clinging to their status and don't want to be forgotten. If you and I belonged to such a family we probably would adhere to it too.

The big difference is how those descendants present themselves in public. I am sure they have their networks , just as the famous and rich have. They usually watch out that no outsider comes into their circles (there are exceptions).
But in reality monarchies in our society are just a relic of the past. And if they don't "behave properly" they will loose the estimation of their people.
That is probably the reason why they all are trying to be on top, shaking off old habits and being modern (the British are a very good example IMO).
if they want to survive they have to work, engage themselves in social issues, be there when there are problems in their country, show why they are still important.

The devotion and acceptance of Kings and Kaisers in the past are long gone, which is a normal and lucky development in history.
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Just to notice as you ask for correction you actually mix various (only) european monarchies ,which differ a lot. f.e. Prince Albert really has power, and the Dutch Kings role is different by constitutions to others you named, same in Spain.

Most of the German ex-reigning do nothing to be recognized ans rarely appear in any German media since.
Habsburg is different in status.
Others like Romania seem to step into the limelight whenever possible and probably hope to step in the void of their instable former countries....nothing too serious ahead as far as I am aware of.

But maybe not necessary to get deeper into it at this thread.

My opinion about the Greek RF is, that things might had gone different if Paul had married a poor girl or a woman from nobility, a greek or at least a pious person. But none of this happened. ;)
As long as his father lived there was at least something to share with other " equal" families, from now on it's just rich kids with (like GF from Prussia likes to express it) a long name.
:lol:
 
Prinsara said:
It's pretty hard to serve in the military of a country that refuses to acknowledge your citizenship, afaik.

For the rest of it, is there any evidence the Greek governments would be less hostile or indifferent to Pavlos's children trying to deepen their connections there? Nikolaos has fulfilled the ideal, but aside from being respected by a certain segment, there's also not much evidence of his worthy actions energizing a monarchist movement, or anything like that.

Pavlos has done the practical thing and acknowledged the monarchy is not coming back and he is not going to be the one to push for a restoration, so why fault his children for shirking their imagined "duties"? I get the sense if they were living middle-class completely anonymous lives, there'd be much less disapproval.
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I'm not sure what you're arguing with me about, because I'm not complaining about them "shirking their duties." They don't presume to have duties, and they don't do any. Can't blame them.

They're titled celebrity rich kids, not working royals.
 
Prinsara said:
It's pretty hard to serve in the military of a country that refuses to acknowledge your citizenship, afaik.
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I'm not sure the country can be said to have refused. They have not applied for citizenship, as far as I'm aware.
 
They seem to be having fun and enjoying each other's company. If roles were reversed and Poppy was a man and Constantinos a young woman, no one would mind the age difference. They look happy to me from those pictures.
 
classyjackie said:
In a way they have it made and a way they don't.

If the Danish, British, or Spain's monarchies go then there go their sense of entitlement. They still very much live socially off of those connections.

I do wonder what's going to happen to them once Margrethe and Sofia passes on, would the families still be close and regularly invited?
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What sense of entitlement are you referring to? I don’t think they care that deeply about their social connections, they just happen to be closely related to a few extant monarchies that’s all. The family will still be rich and do what they like in the event of the others falling.
 
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