Grand Duchess Maria Vladimirovna: June 2008-

[Lenora]

Ok Just throwing this out there, how much money do these Romanovs have? Either Maria, Nicholas (or is his name Nikolai) Rostislav etc. Power in the 21st century = money, not claiming to be a pretender to an ancient throne that had like 50% of their tsars murdered.

That's a hard question,we know that Maria's son started not so far some affairs with the petroleum Russian company "Nornikel".

 

[kell]

isnt it a nickal company that got accused of selling radited nickel to europe

 

[Cory]

The Imperial Family has not so much money because the properties confiscated in 1917 are not given back.

 

[Cory]

Grand Duchess Maria meeting the Metropolitan of Simferopol:

Greetings from His Eminence Metr Lazar of Simferopol

 

[Benjamin]

Film about the Imperial House that was released in Russia in 1995

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[Cory]

Very touching indeed!

 

[Cory]

Grand Duchess Maria remains faithful to the hystoric heritage of the Imperial House.It is rather difficult for somebody who does not believe in the monarchy to understand that.

 

[Kasumi]

Maria Vladimirovna is just one of the dozens of the Romanovs' descendants, Cory.
Check out the number of them at the official site of the Romanov family Association yourself.
And read this General Assembly Decision from January 1st, 2011.

The Romanovs' family association does much more for Russian culture anf Russian people than M.V. Romanova. Not with the great pomp, but every day, and with modesty and dignity.

 

[Cory]

I am not interested in what says an associatian of russian nobles descendents from morganatic marriages.I am interested in what the imperial House says.Grand Duchess Maria is the Head of the Imperial House and if a group of nobles do not recognize her that's their own problem.

RussianImperialSuccession

 

[Kasumi]

...I am not interested in what says an associatian of russian nobles descendents from morganatic marriages.I am interested in what the imperial House says...

Good for you.
Are you at least interested in knowing the truth, Cory?
This is not a matter of religious faith, to believe or not.
There is no any laws in Russian Federation which consider Romanova Maria Vladimirovna 'the head', 'the Empress' and so on. There is no metion of this in our Constitution. She is a plain citizen of Russia, that's all.
The point is that there is a plenty of the Romanovs in Russia and worldwide who are modest, hardworking and not claiming any priviledges for themselves.
Regards.

 

[Cory]

In a republican Constitution should be explained the role of the Imperial Family?
Nobody denies there are nobles whose ancestors were members of the imperial Family but had morganatic marriages.These russian nobles with the surname Romanowsky/Romanoff could do a lot for the motherland.

 

[Al_bina]

Perhaps other people are not interested in PR based on the blood, which appears to be a favourite pastime of this particular section of the Romanovs.

 

[Cory]

When you do not like a document/article you find it "not accurate"...

Grand Duchess Maria paid a visit this year to the supreme Court:

http://alegista.blogspot.com/2011/02/highest-visit-to-supreme-court.html

 

[BeatrixFan]

It's really lovely to see more of Her Imperial Highness. In recent years she seems to be everywhere!

 

[AristoCat]

She certainly is popping up more in public, along with her son. They used to be so much more private and you would never hear of them, but now they're going to all sorts of places, the highest profile being the Monaco nuptials.

 

[AristoCat]

I wonder if hte Romanovs would not have a problem with Georgi being Head, as long as Maria backed off and let them move on.

 

[BeatrixFan]

What do you mean by backing off? Moving on?

 

[lucien]

The never ending story aka comic relief:"The woman from Madrid"..

 

[AristoCat]

What do you mean by backing off? Moving on?

Mainly backing off from antagonizing the rest of the Romanovs through promoting herself and Georgi at the expense of everyone else. Her terms seem to be that the rest of the Imperial Family kowtow to her and her son, on her own delusional terms.

 

[lucien]

Mainly backing off from antagonizing the rest of the Romanovs through promoting herself and Georgi at the expense of everyone else. Her terms seem to be that the rest of the Imperial Family kowtow to her and her son, on her own delusional terms.

Finally!!Words that make sense,and are even true,are spoken in this thread on the woman from Madrid and her kid.Good for you AristoCat!!Spasibo!

 

[BeatrixFan]

Firstly, I don't see that Maria is at all delusional. Her words and actions are actually akin to many of the actions taken by former heads of state or pretenders and I notice that nobody levels those criticisms at them (CP Alexander II, King Constantine II) etc etc. She has repeatedly said that her only desire is to serve Russia in any way she is able to which she does. She doesn't bang on about a restoration, she doesn't use any titles etc she isn't entitled to - she just does her own thing. Neither is there any evidence of her antagonizing the rest of the Romanovs, indeed she publically won't even mention them. On the other hand, Nicholas and Dmitri make a point of always attacking Maria when the opportunity arises.

As I see it, she's only asking them to stop making claims they know to be false. I doubt she cares much what they think though as they're not members of the Imperial Family, the IF only includes GD Maria and GD George. Nobody else. Lucien, I'm not sure why this Madrid thing is an issue with you or why you use it as a negative. How many living Russian royals do you know that reside or were raised in Russia?

 

[lucien]

How does she serve Russia?all she serves are the sumptious meals on her plate.Oh.And herself ofcourse.She can't be compared with Alexander and Constantine,two totally different styles and manners.And Alexander actually does serve Serbia while Constantine does what he can for Hellas.The woman from Madrid just pops in on the next Patriarch with his own agenda that is serving nothing except the ego's of these two....

Oh,I just call her that,always,the woman from Madrid,as an indication of whom I talk about and my absolute dislike of her,that's all.

 

[Madame Royale]

and my absolute dislike of her,that's all.

Then your opinion, although rightfully expressed, is not one that can be taken seriously for you have yourself admitted your 'absolute dislike' of her.

Evidently it would not matter what the woman did or didn't do as your no doubt 'qualified' contempt for her incapacitates your ability to think beyond your own prejudice.

There's nothing but ill will to draw from your post. Nothing constructive, just a character assassination of someone I'd imagine you do not know but believe you know well enough to insist they are the way you describe them.

This discussion seems to serve more as a platform for your digression down a path of cheap insults which is a shame and add's nothing to the subject.

 

[BeatrixFan]

How does she serve Russia?all she serves are the sumptious meals on her plate.Oh.And herself ofcourse.She can't be compared with Alexander and Constantine,two totally different styles and manners.And Alexander actually does serve Serbia while Constantine does what he can for Hellas.The woman from Madrid just pops in on the next Patriarch with his own agenda that is serving nothing except the ego's of these two....

Oh,I just call her that,always,the woman from Madrid,as an indication of whom I talk about and my absolute dislike of her,that's all.

If you dislike her, fair enough but she has a name and it'd be more respectful to call her by her name. I think you may be overlooking certain things. Maria now undertakes official visits to various countries, not to represent herself but to represent Russia. She attends Russian cultural events, she gives speeches, she visits Russian communities and these events in some cases are attended by Russian government ministers who obviously have no problem with Maria doing what she's doing. It may not be official recognition and it may not mean the government is asking Maria to represent Russia but she does it to the best of her ability and is always welcomed with affection.

I think she's got alot in common with what Alexander and Constantine are doing. Let's look at it on face value. All three lived in exile but continued to show their allegiance to their homelands, just not to the system of government. In the past decade as the administrations have softened towards all three, they have returned to their homelands. They undertake national charity work, they are able to move freely in their countries of origin, they meet with national VIPs - it shouldn't be overlooked that Maria has met Putin and Medvedev on several occasions (and at their invitation). So I think to simply say she attends big dinners and meets with Russian Orthodox leaders is a little unkind. Her good work can't be overlooked simply because you don't like her very much.

 

[NGalitzine]

"the IF only includes GD Maria and GD George"......well that is the corner that Maria and her clan have backed the family into. When dear George marries a commoner of no royal background the IF will cease to exist. There really isnt much wiggle room for Maria here even though she has stated she can change the Pauline rules, since changing the rules merely highlights that there are many other males in the Romanoff family that her clan excluded after exile for marrying mere Russian aristocrats.

Actually having the IF cease to exist probably is not a bad thing. They can all live as commoners around the world and be proud of having an interesting set of ancestors while getting on with their lives. Its kind of sad that nearly 100 years after the revolution a family, or at least part of the family, go on living their lives as if a call from Moscow is imminent saying pack your bags we want to set you on the throne.

 

[Madame Royale]

They can all live as commoners around the world and be proud of having an interesting set of ancestors while getting on with their lives. Its kind of sad that nearly 100 years after the revolution a family, or at least part of the family, go on living their lives as if a call from Moscow in imminent saying pack your bags we want to set you on the throne.

I largely agree with the above comment.

Talk of restoration is futile, imo.

 

[Warren]

If you dislike her, fair enough but she has a name and it'd be more respectful to call her by her name.

Yes quite. For some reason of late many of the Imperial Family of Russia threads have been infected by a degree of personal spite and nastiness which we rarely see outside of the larger Forums. Name-calling and cheap shots are rude, graceless and add nothing of substance or interest when other members are attempting to have an intelligent discussion.

If a member's personal dislike of a royal figure means they are unable to post without resort to name-calling and invective they are advised to not post in the thread at all.

Warren
Administrator

 

[AristoCat]

I largely agree with the above comment. Talk of restoration is futile, imo.

I rather agree; the Russians made it fairly clear that they don't want the Romanovs back, restored at the head of government and the Romanovs blew it big time when they had the chance to live better and treat the Russian people better. Russians were exploited by the Romanovs in a lot of ways and they also suffered a lot more than they ahd to. The Romanovs could have made working conditions easier and could have really made a substantial effort to do more for Russia, but they didn't.

 

[BeatrixFan]

A restoration won't happen but HIH has carved out a little role for herself which pleases most people I think. But why give up what's rightfully hers? She has some position at least, look at how she fought to get the Tsar rehabilitated. She is a Grand Duchess by birth, she is the Head of the family so why give all that up?

 

[AristoCat]

I admire her spunk and determination to do that, plus the determination of hers to have a proper funeral.