German and Austrian Royal and Noble Jewels 2: 2022 -


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One of the Articles stated that Zita shared the Information only with her sons Robert and Rudolph. And they in turn shared the Info only with their sons Lorenz and Simeon.
And it was Zita's wish that the it should remain secret till after the 100th death anniversary of Emperor Karl.
 
One of the Articles stated that Zita shared the Information only with her sons Robert and Rudolph. And they in turn shared the Info only with their sons Lorenz and Simeon.
And it was Zita's wish that the it should remain secret till after the 100th death anniversary of Emperor Karl.
This is what I read also, and the 100 years concluded in 2022 I guess the legal process to retrieve them was extensive due to the number of individuals who had a right to those items
 
Judging from what I've heard the Bourbon-Parma auction was more caused by the family not being able to afford the massive insurance fees than a need to distribute the wealth.
My guess for the reason of the auction is related to the massive insurance fee for such historical items that would be staggering especially for Florentine Diamond, most of the descendants are not that well off, another option would be if they settle a deal with the state of Austria to display the items in return for the insurance of them paid by the state
 
The Austrian state has not become more friendly over the years
So I can't imagine it, especially if the politician in charge decides to make a claim
 
The Dutch news mentions that Karl contacted a journalist who was looking into the Louvre heist. According to Karl they will be displayed in Canada. They speculate that the family would not risk bringing them back to Austria out of fear they might be confiscated.

 
It's telling that it wasn't Karl who was aware of all this, but two more reliable, intelligent men.
 
Another option would be that they display them in Hungary which is more friendly with the imperial family, after all the archduke George was an ambassador representing Hungary, or the Thyssen-Bornemisza Museum in Madrid!
 
Won´t the Austrian state be able to put a claim in Hungary or elsewhere in the EU too?

Really spectacular news, and even the diamond of our Charles the Bold!

I am not sure I understand the motivation to go public now? But what a story!
 
Some excerpts from an interesting article in Austrian paper "Der Standard", telling about the history of the diamond.

"The origin of the "Florentine" diamond remains unclear. The gemstone is often associated with Duke Charles the Bold of Burgundy (1467–1477), while another version claims that Portuguese troops captured the uncut rough diamond in India.
Its history becomes somewhat clearer in the 18th century. At that time, the stone was supposedly in the possession of the Medici family. When the male line of the Florentine noble family died out, the diamond passed into the possession of the House of Habsburg-Lorraine, which was founded in 1736 through the marriage of Francis Stephen, Grand Duke of Tuscany, to Archduchess Maria Theresa of Austria.
The magnificent diamond adorned Francis Stephen's crown at his coronation as Holy Roman Emperor in 1745. At that time, the gemstone was still known as the "Grand Duke of Tuscany." Maria Theresa is said to have eventually shortened it to "Florentine."
After the imperial family fled into exile in Switzerland, the giant diamond's trail was famously lost once again. This was primarily thanks to Empress Zita, as Karl Habsburg-Lothringen now reveals. The wife of Charles I was entrusted with the Habsburg treasure and took it with her to Madeira, where Charles died in 1922 from pneumonia.
Initially, Zita and her children moved to Spain and then, in 1929, on to Belgium. After the annexation of Austria in 1938, Zita fled with her eight children to the United States.
The Empress brought the treasure with her to the USA in an inconspicuous suitcase, Habsburg-Lothringen explains. With American assistance, the family eventually reached Canada, where they settled in a house in the province of Quebec.
Although Zita returned to Europe in 1953, she left the jewels in the custody of a bank in Quebec. She died in Switzerland in 1989 at the age of 96. The whereabouts of the heirlooms were always a closely guarded secret, even within the family.
Karl Habsburg-Lothringen explained that his grandmother had stipulated that the location of the precious items could not be revealed until at least one hundred years after the emperor's death. Only two male members of the family were permitted to know the secret. Habsburg-Lothringen himself was only informed last year by two cousins.

This secrecy is not without reason; after all, even the export of the private jewelry to Switzerland was a political issue. Many demanded that the treasure be nationalized – a debate that ultimately led to the Habsburg Laws of 1919 and 1921. Although a legal representative of the imperial family confirmed in 1921 that the jewels were considered the private property of the House of Habsburg-Lorraine, the young Austrian government nevertheless pressured Switzerland to return them.

Perhaps it is the fear that the Austrian state might still come knocking and request the treasures – in any case, the family heirloom won't be returning to Austria anytime soon, according to Habsburg-Lorraine: The jewelry is to be displayed in Canada as part of a trust fund. "As a family, we also want to show that we are very grateful to Canada for providing our grandmother with refuge there," he told Der Spiegel. The family rules out a sale and declined to comment on the potential value of the treasures.

Vice Chancellor Andreas Babler (SPÖ) has promised an immediate investigation into whether the jewels are the property of the Republic of Austria. "If it turns out that the Florentine diamond is the property of the Republic of Austria, I will initiate the process for the return of the jewel. My office is also already in contact with the Austrian Embassy in Canada regarding this matter."

 
.Vice Chancellor Andreas Babler (SPÖ) has promised an immediate investigation into whether the jewels are the property of the Republic of Austria. "If it turns out that the Florentine diamond is the property of the Republic of Austria, I will initiate the process for the return of the jewel. My office is also already in contact with the Austrian Embassy in Canada regarding this matter."
Let me guess - the Austrian state will themselves decide if the jewels are Austrian property or not. Call me a cynic, but there aren't much doubt in my mind about what the final verdict will turn out to be.
 
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It's telling that it wasn't Karl who was aware of all this, but two more reliable, intelligent men.
The main question is why Zita did not confide in Otto (who generally was seen was very trustworthy) but in her second and youngest sons. It makes sense that they passed this information on to one of their own sons (Robert picked his eldest son, while Rudolf confided in his second son) instead of their nephew.
 
Unfortunately, the Spiegel interview is behind a paywall. But Robin Pogrebin of the New York Times independently reported the story and spoke to Habsburg family members.

“In 1918 […] To safeguard jewels that the ruling Hapsburgs had owned for centuries, [Emperor Charles I] had them transported to Switzerland.

One gem in the collection was a particular prize, a 137-carat diamond admired not only for its pear shape and yellow hue but also for its illustrious history. Before the Hapsburgs, it had been owned by the Medici family, the rulers of Florence.

[…] It’s been in a bank vault in Canada since the family fled there in the midst of World War II, according to three Hapsburg relatives who last month invited The New York Times to inspect the diamond and other jewels.

Karl von Habsburg-Lothringen, 64, a grandson of Charles I, said in an interview that the secret had been kept out of respect for Charles’s wife, the Empress Zita. She told only two people — her sons Robert and Rodolphe — about the diamond’s location, he said, and asked that, as a security precaution, it be kept undisclosed for 100 years after Charles’s death in 1922. Before they died, the brothers passed the information to their own sons, according to the family.

[…]

“The less people know about it, the bigger the security,” said Mr. von Habsburg-Lothringen, whose family prefers the original spelling of the Habsburg name. He said he had only recently learned of the existence of the jewels from his two cousins — Robert’s son, Lorenz von Habsburg-Lothringen, 70, and Rodolphe’s son, Simeon von Habsburg-Lothringen, 67.

[...]

But now, with the vow fulfilled, the family wants to display the Florentine Diamond and other jewels in Canada to thank the country for taking in the empress and her children.

“It should be part of a trust here in Canada,” Mr. Habsburg-Lothringen said. “It should be on exhibition in Canada sometimes, so that people can actually see those pieces.”

[…]

Christoph Köchert of A.E. Köchert jewelers, once Austria’s imperial court jewelers, examined the diamond and attested to its authenticity.

[…]

The collection includes a number of other items of jewelry, including a diamond-encrusted Order of the Golden Fleece, the house order of the Hapsburg family.

[…]

After Charles I died from pneumonia in Madeira, where the family had moved from Switzerland, Empress Zita and her children relocated to Spain, and then to Belgium in 1929.

[…] When the Nazis annexed Austria in 1938, an event known as the Anschluss, Otto was declared an enemy of the state. Concerned that Germany was about to invade Belgium, Zita fled with her eight children, ultimately arriving in the United States in 1940, according to the family.

The empress, family members said, carried the jewels with her in a small cardboard suitcase. Finally, with American help, the family traveled to Canada and settled in a modest house in the province of Quebec.

[…] In 1953, Zita returned to Europe and left the jewels in the care of the Quebec bank.

[…] Just how rumors of the diamond’s disappearance originated is unclear; the family says it did not start them.

[…]

Mr. [Richard] Bassett’s report says the jewels that Charles I took with him were listed in a separate inventory from the state crown jewels of the Hapsburg monarchy. He said this position — that items taken by the family were the private property of the Habsburg-Lorraine house — was confirmed by a legal advocate for the imperial family in 1921, when the Austrian government put pressure on the Swiss government for their return.

While the First Austrian Republic enacted legislation in 1919 that expropriated the Hapsburg family’s private property in Austria, Mr. Bassett said it did not apply to the jewels because by that time they were outside Austria.

Signage at the Imperial Treasury museum in Vienna, he pointed out, refers to the gems that Charles took with him into exile as those that had been “inventoried as personal jewellry.”

[…]”



On a side note: Interesting that Prince Lorenz of Belgium chooses to use “Lorenz von Habsburg-Lothringen” and avoids mentioning his Belgian royal status for this story.

The main question is why Zita did not confide in Otto (who generally was seen was very trustworthy) but in her second and youngest sons. It makes sense that they passed this information on to one of their own sons (Robert picked his eldest son, while Rudolf confided in his second son) instead of their nephew.

I wonder if it was because Robert and Rodolphe were bankers whereas Otto was a politician?
 
Let me guess - the Austrian state will themselves decide if the jewels are Austrian property or not. Call me a cynic, but there aren't much doubt in my mind about what the final verdict will turn out to be.
I really can´t see how the Austrian state can claim this diamond. It was not even acquired by a Habsburg but by a Valois who ruled over much of the Low Countries. If any state has a right to it it would be Belgium. The diamond has nothing to do with Austria.
 
Karl has given a short interview to Kronenzeitung and Servus TV in which he revealed that he was most moved by the fact that the diamond order of the golden fleece dates back to Emperor Joseph II. and was worn by his grandfather Emperor Karl I. on his death bed.
 
Here's a little more on the discovery of the Hapsburg Jewels in Canada
Habsburg family unveils secret royal jewel stash in Canada – DW – 11/06/2025

Thanks. The DW article links to this new(?) official website for the Habsburg private jewelry collection, which contains much interesting information.


From the website’s FAQ:

“Under the law of the Province of Quebec, a Canadian trust is the current owner of the objects. The direct descendants of Emperor Karl I and Empress Zita are beneficiaries of this trust.”

“The objects have always been private property of the imperial family since they were placed in a family fund by Empress Maria Theresa in 1765 and remain so to this day. This was also the view of the then Procurator Fiscal in Austria in 1921, who declared all the objects that are now in the Canadian trust to be “separate private property” of the House of Habsburg-Lorraine. This was later confirmed by the then Director of the Treasury of the Kunsthistorisches Museum in Vienna to the Austrian Broadcasting Corporation (ORF) in 2001.

The objects were not and are not subject to the expropriation of the family’s assets ordered by the Habsburg Laws, as all the objects were clearly located in Switzerland at the time the Habsburg Laws came into effect. Due to the principle of territoriality, as codified in §5 of the Habsburg Laws, expropriation laws are only effective within the country’s borders and do not extend to property located outside its jurisdiction.”​


I wonder who the trustees are?
 
I wonder who the trustees are?

I also wonder when the trust was established.

Judging from the Habsburg Heritage website and the New York Times interview, it sounds as if the entire jewelry collection was in storage in a Canadian bank or banks since 1940, even if that is not explicitly stated.

It is interesting that ex-empress Zita's 100-year instruction to keep the collection private/secret expired in 2022, yet it took Lorenz and Simeon until 2024 to inform their distant cousin Karl, the head and public face of the Habsburg family. That might suggest the cousins are not particularly close.
 
Thanks. The DW article links to this new(?) official website for the Habsburg private jewelry collection, which contains much interesting information.


From the website’s FAQ:

“Under the law of the Province of Quebec, a Canadian trust is the current owner of the objects. The direct descendants of Emperor Karl I and Empress Zita are beneficiaries of this trust.”​
“The objects have always been private property of the imperial family since they were placed in a family fund by Empress Maria Theresa in 1765 and remain so to this day. This was also the view of the then Procurator Fiscal in Austria in 1921, who declared all the objects that are now in the Canadian trust to be “separate private property” of the House of Habsburg-Lorraine. This was later confirmed by the then Director of the Treasury of the Kunsthistorisches Museum in Vienna to the Austrian Broadcasting Corporation (ORF) in 2001.​
The objects were not and are not subject to the expropriation of the family’s assets ordered by the Habsburg Laws, as all the objects were clearly located in Switzerland at the time the Habsburg Laws came into effect. Due to the principle of territoriality, as codified in §5 of the Habsburg Laws, expropriation laws are only effective within the country’s borders and do not extend to property located outside its jurisdiction.”​


I wonder who the trustees are?
Thanks. The DW article links to this new(?) official website for the Habsburg private jewelry collection, which contains much interesting information.


From the website’s FAQ:

“Under the law of the Province of Quebec, a Canadian trust is the current owner of the objects. The direct descendants of Emperor Karl I and Empress Zita are beneficiaries of this trust.”​
“The objects have always been private property of the imperial family since they were placed in a family fund by Empress Maria Theresa in 1765 and remain so to this day. This was also the view of the then Procurator Fiscal in Austria in 1921, who declared all the objects that are now in the Canadian trust to be “separate private property” of the House of Habsburg-Lorraine. This was later confirmed by the then Director of the Treasury of the Kunsthistorisches Museum in Vienna to the Austrian Broadcasting Corporation (ORF) in 2001.​
The objects were not and are not subject to the expropriation of the family’s assets ordered by the Habsburg Laws, as all the objects were clearly located in Switzerland at the time the Habsburg Laws came into effect. Due to the principle of territoriality, as codified in §5 of the Habsburg Laws, expropriation laws are only effective within the country’s borders and do not extend to property located outside its jurisdiction.”​


I wonder who the trustees are?
Based on these statements, it is undeniable that the Austrian state cannot lay claim to the jewels. The crown jewels already belong to the state.

Therefore, I am surprised by the statement of Vice Chancellor Andreas Babler, which is taken from the article in my post above.
Vice Chancellor Andreas Babler (SPÖ) has promised an immediate investigation into whether the jewels are the property of the Republic of Austria. "If it turns out that the Florentine diamond is the property of the Republic of Austria, I will initiate the process for the return of the jewel. My office is also already in contact with the Austrian Embassy in Canada regarding this matter."

However, it appears that not all objects that disappeared in 1918 have resurfaced. Besides Sissi's diamond crown, numerous pieces of jewelry that were in the treasury before being taken to Switzerland are missing. According to the Habsburgs, their whereabouts remain unknown. (source: ntv/dpa)
 
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Based on these statements, it is undeniable that the Austrian state cannot lay claim to the jewels. The crown jewels already belong to the state.

Therefore, I am surprised by the statement of Vice Chancellor Andreas Babler, which is taken from the article in my post above.

Vice Chancellor Andreas Babler (SPÖ) has promised an immediate investigation into whether the jewels are the property of the Republic of Austria. "If it turns out that the Florentine diamond is the property of the Republic of Austria, I will initiate the process for the return of the jewel. My office is also already in contact with the Austrian Embassy in Canada regarding this matter."



Well, Mr. Babler said “If it turns out that the Florentine diamond is the property of the Republic of Austria”. ;) I am not informed enough to speculate on his thinking, but generally speaking, comments in the vein of “If I can do it, I absolutely will” can be a diplomatic form of saying “I can do nothing”.


However, it appears that not all objects that disappeared in 1918 have resurfaced. Besides Sissi's diamond crown, numerous pieces of jewelry that were in the treasury before being taken to Switzerland are missing. According to the Habsburgs, their whereabouts remain unknown. (source: ntv/dpa)

Thank you for adding the source. :flowers:
 
The austrian government’s have always been hostile towards the Habsburg’s ever since they were forced out…. The Vice Chancellor’s language proves that nothing has changed in that matter…

The dream solution would have been to have these jewels on exhibition in the Kaiserliche Schatzkammer in Vienna… But that will likely remain a dream….
 
The austrian government’s have always been hostile towards the Habsburg’s ever since they were forced out…. The Vice Chancellor’s language proves that nothing has changed in that matter…

The dream solution would have been to have these jewels on exhibition in the Kaiserliche Schatzkammer in Vienna… But that will likely remain a dream….
Over a century has passed and I think its high time they dropped the hostility towards the Habsburg family.
 
How important is the Vice Chancellor? I've never even heard of him (okay, I don't live in Austria). Before making this statement, he should have informed himself that there's no basis for his assumptions, even if it starts with an "if." It had been better for him to say nothing.

And then you always have to be vigilant about what all the newspapers are writing now. These Habsburg news items are being published in every newspaper here. And one newspaper is just copying from another. It's simply a "sensational" story.
 
Are there any ideas, how much this newly found treasure is actually worth? Was this already mentioned here in the thread?

Must be some dozens of Millions, if not more!

Very exciting story!
 
This video was made about the Florentine Diamond a year ago.
The narrator declared that the diamond was a masterpiece of Renaissance gem cutting.
The narrator raised the question: Was the diamond sold off by a family member?
 
The austrian government’s have always been hostile towards the Habsburg’s ever since they were forced out…. The Vice Chancellor’s language proves that nothing has changed in that matter…

The dream solution would have been to have these jewels on exhibition in the Kaiserliche Schatzkammer in Vienna… But that will likely remain a dream….
The only thing so far the Vice Chancellor's comment has managed to achieve is to both add another log to the conflict between Austria and the Habsburgs and to highlight to the public exactly why the Habsburgs will not allow the jewels to be displayed in Austria.
 
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