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:previous: Well, most of the King's engagements are now taking place inside the palace, and Haakon is quite busy already.

And the King is not that keen on the idea of leaving more work to Haakon and Mette-Marit:
No pause for breath for the royal couple who’ve reached the grand age of 80 - Norway Today
The king said that cooperation with the crown prince and princess is of great help to him and the queen.

‘We have four people working as a team. We work closely together, have many meetings, and talk a lot together. This is a scheme that I introduced myself, and that I missed when I was crown prince’.

The king said the crown prince occasionally offers to take over some assignments.

King Harald said, ’But I seldom accept the offer, I should emphasise!’
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And I don't think the courtiers is that keen on a divisive/political and controversial Crown Prince (who is constantly under criticism) taking on more engagements while an extremely popular monarch in relatively good health (despite his fragility) is on the throne. - But if he gets even more frail (which is likely), then the king has no other choice then to let Haakon take some of his duties.
 
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Billed-Bladet writes that the King has been admitted to hospital:
81-årige kong Harald indlagt på hospitalet - Billed-Bladet
King Harald, who reached the age of 81 on February 21, has been admitted to hospital, the Norwegian court informs.
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Well, as one can read in post 38, this is completely wrong.
HM is (according to sources in the Norwegian media) at the Royal Palace, where he is cared for by several lakeis (royal word for footmen), maids, and officers from The Royal Police Escort.

Here is an article from Royal Central (basically an english version of the Norwegian articles from yesterday):
Crown Prince Haakon to take on regency as King Harald is on medical leave – Royal Central
When His Majesty was still heir to the throne, and in the military, it was discovered that he had a congenital defect on one foot. It made it difficult to stretch the foot entirely during regular marching. The military doctors suggested surgery. However, after a family council at the Palace, it was decided that he would not be operated. For a while, however, he went for treatment at Sophie’s Minde Hospital.

“I usually say that I have feet that are not so good to go on. So, therefore, I’m not so fond of walking”, was King Harald`s comment in a biography of the King published in 2005.
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Well, as one also can read in post 38, the King was in fact operated for it after 2005 (we don't know exactly when).

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CP Haakon had this to say about it:

Kronprins Haakon tror kongen vil komme til hektene raskt
"I think he will be well again soon. The King is very good at thinking that he's healthy. Now, I think his foot needs some rest, and then it will be good again, and then he will be back. It will be fine'' says CP Haakon to NTB.
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He said almost the same to NRK - see video:
Flink til å tenke at han er frisk - NRK
 
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Well, as one can see from my post yesterday evening, Billed-Bladet has still not changed the mistake in which they wrote that the King had been admitted to hospital.

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Here is another article from Royal Centra:
Crown Prince Haakon comments his father’s medical leave – Royal Central
His Majesty the King should have held an audience for recipients of the King’s Medal of Honour at the Royal Palace in Oslo yesterday; this audience was taken over by Her Majesty the Queen. When the Norwegian Council of State is held today, the Crown Prince will meet with the government alone.

King Harald was also supposed to attend the celebrations for the Norwegian Society’s 150th Anniversary at the Norwegian Theatre in Oslo. Crown Prince Haakon will attend on behalf of his father on Saturday evening. Although King Harald resumes his work on Monday, he has no official tasks before Thursday next week. On Thursday, His Majesty has granted an audience to Norway’s Foreign Minister as well as the United Kingdoms Chief of Defence, Sir Stuart Peach.
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Well, that's wrong. It is CP MM who will attend that event, not CP Haakon. - So it's not just Billed-Bladet who makes mistakes.
And the writer of this article Oskar Aanmoen is Norwegian, so he should know (especially since it was announced on the Royal House website and in several Norwegian articles yesterday).

BTW, The King will be back on May 3th, when he grants the Minister of Foreign Affairs an audience.
 
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Presumably they got it from the same news-source, who got it wrong in the first place.

Alas, that sort of mistakes are very frequent and not only in weekly magazines. Newspapers and TV-networks are very good at such mistakes as well. :ermm:
 
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ROYAL NORWAY said:
:previous: Well, most of the King's engagements are now taking place inside the palace, and Haakon is quite busy already.

And the King is not that keen on the idea of leaving more work to Haakon and Mette-Marit:
No pause for breath for the royal couple who’ve reached the grand age of 80 - Norway Today

The king said that cooperation with the crown prince and princess is of great help to him and the queen.

‘We have four people working as a team. We work closely together, have many meetings, and talk a lot together. This is a scheme that I introduced myself, and that I missed when I was crown prince’.

The king said the crown prince occasionally offers to take over some assignments.

King Harald said, ’But I seldom accept the offer, I should emphasise!’
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And I don't think the courtiers is that keen on a divisive/political and controversial Crown Prince (who is constantly under criticism) taking on more engagements while an extremely popular monarch in relatively good health (despite his fragility) is on the throne. - But if he gets even more frail (which is likely), then the king has no other choice then to let Haakon take some of his duties.
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That seems like an excellent reason to make Haakon's "close work" with his father public and to allow him to take over some of his father's engagements - he would hopefully acquire some popularity by association with King Harald.

When His Majesty was still heir to the throne, and in the military, it was discovered that he had a congenital defect on one foot. It made it difficult to stretch the foot entirely during regular marching. The military doctors suggested surgery. However, after a family council at the Palace, it was decided that he would not be operated. For a while, however, he went for treatment at Sophie’s Minde Hospital.
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Why was a family council required to handle King Harald's health care decision, I wonder?
 
It is very hard for me to understand why CP Haakon is so often criticized! For me he is one of the most promising and capable future monarchs in europe!
OK, he might have done some mistakes, but who is without fault may cast the first stone.
I remember very vividly what people said when old King Olav died, that Harald will never be able to catch up with his popular father. Well, we see today how very different things have turned out to be!
 
wartenberg7 said:
It is very hard for me to understand why CP Haakon is so often criticized! For me he is one of the most promising and capable future monarchs in Europe!
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Based on what ?
 
Tatiana Maria said:
Why was a family council required to handle King Harald's health care decision, I wonder?
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Well, that's when he was in the military (before he married Sonja and got children), so he probably just wanted to consult with King Olav and Princess Astrid on whether he was going to have the operation, which would have meant a break from the military, something that wouldn't have gone down very well with his tough and proud military-man father.

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wartenberg7 said:
It is very hard for me to understand why CP Haakon is so often criticized! For me he is one of the most promising and capable future monarchs in europe!
OK, he might have done some mistakes, but who is without fault may cast the first stone.
I remember very vividly what people said when old King Olav died, that Harald will never be able to catch up with his popular father. Well, we see today how very different things have turned out to be!
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I can agree with that, but there is a BIG but:

CP Olav was allways in the backround until King Haakon VII died in 1957 (60 years ago last year), and many didn't understand how he would be able to take over from his father.

It was (as you wrote) the same with CP Harald, he was always in the backround until King Olav V died in 1991, and many (himself included) didn't understand how he would be able to take over from his father.
But as I have written in other threads, Harald was a shy but popular crown prince who never interfered in political affairs, so he cannot be compared with his son.

And unfortunately for Haakon, King Harald is now more popular than both King Olav and King Haakon - and the media environment is quite different today than in 1991, so he is probably going to have an even bigger task taking over from his father than what Harald and Olav had when they succeeded to the throne.
 
ROYAL NORWAY said:
Well, that's when he was in the military (before he married Sonja and got children), so he probably just wanted to consult with King Olav and Princess Astrid on whether he was going to have the operation, which would have meant a break from the military, something that wouldn't have gone down very well with his tough and proud military-man father.
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I imagine King Harald would not have acted so sternly if Crown Prince Haakon had been injured when he was in the military, would he?

Mbruno said:
wartenberg7 said:
It is very hard for me to understand why CP Haakon is so often criticized! For me he is one of the most promising and capable future monarchs in europe!
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Based on what ?
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I cannot speak for wartenberg7, but as for "capable", Haakon has lately faced criticism chiefly when his work was considered excessively political, wasteful, or out of touch with the Norwegian public. Compare him to certain royals who are criticized primarily for being workshy, and it seems that his problems are not a deficit of capability but the initiatives to which he chooses to bring his abilities.
 
The Queen is 81 today:

Poorly translated NTB article from Norway Today:
Queen Sonja turns 81 - Norway Today
Queen Sonja celebrates her 81st birthday in private this year, whilst King Harald participates in the World Championships in sailing in Germany.

Unlike the extensive two-day, very public 80th birthdays of the royal couple last year, it will only be a private celebration when the Queen is turns 81 , the castle informs NTB.

King Harald will not be present during the celebration because he is busy with the World Sailing Championships in the German Langenargen.
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Oskar Aanmoen @OAanmoen
Happy Birthdayto my own #Queen!

Her #Majesty Queen Sonja of #Norway is today 81 years old. Here are some pictures I have taken from the year that now are behind us.

Long live the Queen!: twitter photos

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Billed-Bladet article with google translation and a quote translated by me:
TILLYKKE: Dronning Sonja fylder 81 år! - Billed-Bladet - translation
Queen Sonja is immensely popular in her native country and still an active lady with many official duties in the royal program.
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Well, IMO she always used to be much more respected than she is popular, and ''Immensely'' (or umåtelig/umådelig in Norwegian/Danish) is a very strong word. But yes, she has become what I will describe as ''highly popular'' in her own right here now, especially after her 80th Birthday last year - and she really deserves it.

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According to Royal expert Kjell Arne Totland (who was at TV2 News Channel and talked about her today), she will celebrate at Mågerø (the regent couple's private holiday retreat in Tjøme in southern Norway) with a private black tie dinner with family and friends.
 
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The King has been out fishing in Altaelva (Alta River) in Finnmark county, as he usually does at this time of the year:

Oskar Aanmoen @OAanmoen
Wednesday afternoon, King Harald went back to Oslo after two days fishing in Altaelva.
The king could report that they caught three salmons and that he himself caught a salmon of 13 kilos:
tweet with an old photo

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Just to clarify, it was Tor-Erland Nilsen (leader of the Alta Salmon Fishing Association) who reported it to the press, not the King.

HM was accompanied by three fishing-friends during his stay in Finnmark.

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There are several local articles about it, but you must have a subscription to read them.
 
Queen Sonja looks more like 61 than like 81. Although her hair is obviously dyed, she's extremely well preserved!! I envy that.
 
Susan D said:
Queen Sonja looks more like 61 than like 81. Although her hair is obviously dyed, she's extremely well preserved!! I envy that.
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Me too. And that, other than the Qu. of Sweden, without plastic surgery!

I always loved Queen Sonja, she´s one of my favourites!:flowers:
 
Today is the 7th anniversary for the attacks at the Government quarter in Oslo and at the Labour Party's youth camp at Utøya.

As I've written in other threads, The King was widely praised for the role he played in the grieving process in the days who folloved:

July 22nd, 2011:
In the evening, The King spoke to NRK from Mågerø (The Regent couple's private holiday retreat in Tjøme in southern Norway), where he sent his condolences to the victims and their families, and urged unity.

Video of it here, for those who understands Norwegian:

July 23rd, 2011:
The King, Queen and The Crown Prince visited the crisis centre established at Sundvolden hotel in response to the tragedy at Utøya.
In the evening, His Majesty gave a live-televised address, where he said that freedom is stronger than fear - and that he firmly believed in an open Norwegian democracy and society.

Text and video of the speech here: The Tragedies in Oslo and on Utøya island - The Royal House of Norway

July 24th, 2011:
The King, Queen, Princess Märtha and Ari attended the memorial service in Oslo Cathedral at 11:00. The Regent couple was in tears.

Watch from 04:40 in this NRK video

The King and Queen visited wounded at Ullevål Hospital at 15:00, and the Government quarter at 16:30.

July 25th, 2011:
The King and Queen and The CP couple signed the condolance protocol in the University Hall after one minute's silence at 12:00.

August 1st, 2011:
The King and The Crown Prince attended the memorial ceremony held in the Storting to mark the acts of terror in Oslo and on Utøya at 12:00.

August 21st, 2011:
The Regent couple, The CP couple, Princess Märtha, Ari Behn and Princess Astrid attended the national memorial ceremony after the acts of terror in Oslo and on Utøya in Oslo Spektrum at 15:00.
The King (again in tears) gave what has been described as the best speech held in Norway (along with that famous Silver Jubilee speech he gave in 2016).
And as the commentators said, he touched a whole nation.
Here is some of what he said: ''As a father, grandfather and husband, I have some feeling of what you are going through, but I can only imagine the depth of your pain. As the King of this nation, I feel for each and every one of you.''

Text and video of the speech here: National Memorial Ceremony: The King's Speech - The Royal House of Norway

The Queen, The CP couple and Princesses Märtha/Astrid also attended some 22 July related events without the King.

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Well, it's no wonder why this amazing, warm and charismatic man is as popular as he is.

Really proud of having him as my head of state.

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Since this post is most about the King and how he handled it, I chose to put it here, and not in the ''Oslo and Utøya'' thread.
 
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:previous: Yes. And even more poignant I think, is the fact that he wrote it himself - with some help from his private secretary Knut Brakstad (educated theologian and priest).

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ROYAL NORWAY said:
The King has been out fishing in Altaelva (Alta River) in Finnmark county, as he usually does at this time of the year:

Oskar Aanmoen @OAanmoen
Wednesday afternoon, King Harald went back to Oslo after two days fishing in Altaelva.
The king could report that they caught three salmons and that he himself caught a salmon of 13 kilos:
tweet with an old photo

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Just to clarify, it was Tor-Erland Nilsen (leader of the Alta Salmon Fishing Association) who reported it to the press, not the King.

HM was accompanied by three fishing-friends during his stay in Finnmark.

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There are several local articles about it, but you must have a subscription to read them.
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Here's an English article about it:

King Harald caught 13 kilos of heavy salmon – Royal Central
According to tradition, King Harald ended this week with his annual salmon fishing holiday in northern Norway. For two days, King Harald was by the Altaelva River in Finnmark, Norway’s northernmost county. Together with a few good comrades, they fished for Norwegian salmon. On the two days of the holiday, the King and his friends managed to catch three big salmons. His Majesty struck all records and caught the biggest fish – a salmon of over 13 kilos.

When the journey had ended, and they returned home, the monarch gave a short comment to the local newspaper, where he told that it had been a lovely holiday and that they had caught three fish. Otherwise, the holiday was peaceful and enjoyable.
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As I wrote above, it was Tor-Erland Nilsen who reported to the press that HM and his fishing-friends had caught three salmons, and that the King himself caught a salmon of 13 kilos.
However, now Oscar Aanmoen (the writer of this article) is right, the local newspaper wrote that the King had given them a short comment, but that was after Oscar wrote the above tweet.


However, the salmon holidays have not always have gone by peacefully for the King. When King Harald fished for salmon in 2013, a scary event occurred. A drunk and outgoing man ended up fighting with the King’s bodyguards when he saw the monarch fishing in the river. The man was quickly arrested by His Majesty’s bodyguards and sent to jail.
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Well, as always in Oscar's articles, there are some factual errors here.

1. The drunk guy in his 50's was there to fish, but he did not have permission to be in that area, and then ended up fighting with the King's Royal Police Escort officers when they asked him to leave.
His anger was not aimed at the King, and he apologised in an interview with the local newspaper some days after the incident.

2. And he was not sent to jail. He was taken into arrest, so he could be sober.

Here is a photo of the King and his RPE officers out fishing, taken some years ago: photo

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Perhaps we should use this opportunity to talk a bit about royal security in Norway:

The NRF is guarded by The Royal Police Escort (Den Kongelige Politieskorte), translated to ''The Norwegian Royalty Protection Unit'' by the Royal Website.
The Escort is administered under the auspices of the Oslo Police District and the Oslo Chief of Police, which is the highest authority in matters relating to the safety of the Royal Family.

Read more here:
The Norwegian Royalty Protection Unit - The Royal House of Norway

Royal Police Escort - Wikipedia

Here are some additional information from me, which are not mentioned in the articles above:
The Royal Police Escort consists of about 70 officers and protects the Regent couple and the CP family 24hrs a day, but Princesses Märtha & Astrid are also heavily protected.

The prime minister, other ministers and the politicians who need it, is protected by PST (Politiets sikkerhetstjeneste, translated to the ''Norwegian Police Security Service'' in English).

This is already in the public record, and has been mentioned by the media on several occasions, so I see no problem in writing about it. - But I won't be more specific than this, and I won't go into detail, as some of the posters in the British ''Royal Security'' thread does.
 
Thanks, Royal Norway, for your always well-informed posts. :flowers:

Have there been calls for amalgamating the royal protection detail for the rest of the security apparatus?

I can imagine that some segments of the political spectrum would consider that a "private police force" under the King - as well as reducing costs.
 
Thank you for clarifying the facts about the arrest, Royal Norway.

When you mentioned British royal security, it struck me that in all likelihood Princess Astrid and Princess Märtha Louise would not enjoy everyday police protection if they were British princesses, and yet the danger to Norwegian royals is probably lower than with British royals.
 
Muhler said:
Thanks, Royal Norway, for your always well-informed posts. :flowers:

Have there been calls for amalgamating the royal protection detail for the rest of the security apparatus?

I can imagine that some segments of the political spectrum would consider that a "private police force" under the King - as well as reducing costs.
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You're very welcome! ?

And likewise to you for your always more that well-informed posts in DRF threads. :flowers:

No, there have not been any calls from the political spectrum to do that.
Why? Well, The Royal Police Escort was established in 1945 to protect King Haakon VII and other members of the Royal Family after WWII, and is seen as an integral part of the Norwegian monarchy (they even have their own coat of arms).
And if an MP or the government had suggested that it would be better to merge the Escort with PST's bodyguard unit LVPST (who protects the Government/politicians), because they consider it to be a ''private police force under the King'' - and (or) want to reduce costs, it could in fact be seen as anti-monarchy or republican propaganda.
So, I don't think they would dare to do that.

However, there was some whining (and rightly so) from one of the Escort officers in 2016 about that they don't earn as much as those in LVPST, and that PST don't share enough information with them, and a rang of other issues. - He therefore suggested a merging, but that wasn't listened to at all, I think.
And there was some news last year that the cooperation between the two units is much better now, especially after that criticism.

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Tatiana Maria said:
Thank you for clarifying the facts about the arrest, Royal Norway.

When you mentioned British royal security, it struck me that in all likelihood Princess Astrid and Princess Märtha Louise would not enjoy everyday police protection if they were British princesses, and yet the danger to Norwegian royals is probably lower than with British royals.
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You're welcome! :flowers:

1. Although not a member of the Norwegian Royal House, Princess Märtha is the daughter of the monarch, and would probably have been a full-time working royal with the style HRH if she were British.

2. Although not a member of the Norwegian Royal House, Princess Astrid is the daughter of a monarch, and was (as I wrote in the ''May 17th'' thread) in reality a full-time working royal until her health began to decline in the early 2000s.
Had she been British, she would probably have been the same, but with the style HRH.

3. When it comes to the two Princesses, the security is based on assessment of the threats.

Märtha: According to Norwegian media, 14 so-called stalkers was after her in 2006, and the The Royal Police Escort still struggles with several persons who is mentally obsessed with her.

Astrid: She lives in an ordinary apartment surrounded by neighbours, and must therefore be protected.
 
Well, the Norwegian government does everything they can to make friends with China again after Liu Xiaobo received the Nobel Peace Prize in 2010.

But how do we do it?
Hmm, perhaps we can send the CP couple down, because if the visit goes well, they might actually (for once) get some much needed credit from the media.
Or do we send our frail 81-year-old super-popular monarch, who doesn't need any credit at all, on a state visit, along with his 81-year-old Queen.

Well, the government has decided to go for the last option.
Why? Because President (I think DICTATOR is a better word), Xi Jinping in his 80th Birthday greetings to the King last year inviteid him to pay a state visit to China.
And we can't say no to them, because then they will be ANGRY with us again, which could be very expensive for Norway (kindergarten, anyone?).

The Royal couple to travel to China - Norway Today
 
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Interesting. Why not send all four, or three (Haakon)?
The Regent Couple are, as you say, old and frail, so they could need all the support they can get.

Does the government not trust Haakon and Mette-Marit to do a good job?!?
That would be most... remarkable... especially as Haakon could be king tomorrow.
I mean as long as they don't mention Winnie the Poo, surely not much can go wrong. ;)?
 
Muhler said:
Interesting. Why not send all four, or three (Haakon)?
The Regent Couple are, as you say, old and frail, so they could need all the support they can get.
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Well, I've actually thought about that myself, and I think it would be a pretty good idea to send all four (or three) of them.
Not to show that the King have faith in the CP couple, because he has never tried to hide the fact that he does, but because it will show continuity between them.


Muhler said:
Does the government not trust Haakon and Mette-Marit to do a good job?!?
That would be most... remarkable... especially as Haakon could be king tomorrow.
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Other than that some politicians in the Storting/government have told TV2's royal expert Kjell Arne Totland & royal author Tor Bomann-Larsen that they are worried about the direction Haakon seems to take the monarchy, I really don't know.


Muhler said:
I mean as long as they don't mention Winnie the Poo, surely not much can go wrong. ;)?
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No, except if something Marius-related pops up in their meetings with the media (which will create a lot of noise here at home, but not diplomatically in China), I don't see what might go wrong during a visit like this, either.
 
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Other than that some politicians in the Storting/government have told TV2's royal expert Kjell Arne Totland & royal author Tor Bomann-Larsen that they are worried about the direction Haakon seems to take the monarchy, I really don't know.
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That's interesting!
Please remind me, who are these politicians?
If they are republicans/far left wing, it really doesn't matter.

But if they are from the center and right parties it's perhaps more worrying.
At what party-political level are these politicians?
What's the history of these politicians?
Do they have a history of criticizing Haakon?
And what was the reaction from the party political top?

Let me explain:
If it's say a center-right politician, pretty far down the hierarchy (back-bencher) it really doesn't matter. That politician may actually mean what he/she is saying, but is hardly speaking on behalf of the party.
But if the politician has a medium level position within the party, say being the spokesperson in a more heavy political field, like economy or foreign politics. Then he is most likely speaking unofficially on behalf of the party.
If it's even higher up, say deputy party leader or a minister, then the politician is "unofficially officially" speaking on behalf of the party! ;)

The reaction from the party top is telling as well. If the party top goes out at once an whacks the politician on the head, the statement is not on behalf of the party.
If they don't or it's only a half-hearted whack, the statement is at least finding a lot of sympathy within the party.

Okay, some politicians have a history of speaking out about absolutely everything including the royals. Sometimes that's how they are and sometimes that's their job. They send up trial-balloons, political decoys, start debates and so on. - Sometimes however they are an unofficial "tapping the finger on the table". I.e. it's an unofficial political: "Hey Haakon, listen..."

However, if the politician has a history of criticizing Haakon, it could be because the politician is genuinely worried about Haakon and dislike him and/or the advisors around Haakon. Or he is a raised party-political index finger. - Here it's the party-top's reaction that is telling. (See also paragraph above.)
If the party leaderships whacks him on the head, he is merely annoying, also within the party.
If they don't, it's either because he is speaking on behalf of the party i.e. the party is annoyed at Haakon as well, at least to some extent. Or he is a decoy.

- Isn't politics fun? ?
 
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Well, there have been a lot of Norwegian royal news this month, but I've been a bit busy, so (with the exception of Märtha dropping the Angel-school) I haven't had time to write about it. - But here we go:

Article from September 11th: Major security breach before King Harald’s visit to Oslo university – Royal Central.
Last week, the Oslo Police Department had a major security breach before King Harald’s visit to the University of Oslo. Only a few hours before King Harald visited the University of Oslo last week, the police’s confidential and detailed plan of action was openly available to everybody to see in the front window of a city police car.

One who passed the civil police car in the afternoon of 6 September was a former criminal who had been in prison for several years. He discovered the graduated document in the front window, which included the time of the King’s visit to the University, threat assessment and a series of measures for several operational police units.
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Be aware (as Oskar Aanmoen writes a bit down in the article) that this incident was associated with the Norwegian police (who is called in to assist when the royals are out on engagements), and not The Royal Police Escort (which one can read about in post 84), who protect the NRF on a daily basis.

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In other news: According to the serious liberal-conservative newspaper, Aftenposten, the Court and the Ministry of Foreign Affairs are frustrated with that the Chinese government has not yet given a green light to the Regent-Couple's state visit to China, which is likely to take place in October.
Usually, the date of state visits are set one or two years in advance, so this is a clear breach of diplomatic protocol, the paper says. - Hmm???? Well, I can't say that I'm that surprised.
 
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Hasn't Noway been through a slight hick-up in regards to your relations to China in recent years?
 
:previous: Well, the Chinese government literally went nuclear with us after, Liu Xiaobo, received the Nobel Peace Prize in 2010. - And until 2016, when the relationship was normalized after a desperate Norwegian government started licking up to them, there were no political contact at all. They even introduced unofficial restrictions on Norwegian salmon and visas.
 
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