Family of the late Infanta Pilar, The Gomez Acebo Family, General News: June 2024 -

[Somebody]

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The General News thread for the family of the late Infanta Pilar,
The Gomez-Acebo Family

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[An Ard Ri]

Please see this thread regarding the death and Funeral of Don Juan Filiberto Nicolás Gómez-Acebo y Borbón, Grandee of Spain and Viscount of La Torre
The death and Funeral of Don Juan Gómez-Acebo, Viscount of La Torre

 

[iceflower]

Simoneta Gómez-Acebo has given an interview about art to the Hola Living magazine:

Conversación con Simoneta Gómez-Acebo: 'Cada vez disfruto más coleccionando pequeñas obras de arte'

En un monasterio cisterciense del siglo XIII, la hija de Pilar de Borbón y prima del rey Felipe VI reivindica la riqueza y la belleza de los oficios artesanos junto a siete mujeres consagradas al saber hacer español

www.hola.com

 

[lula]

The succession as Viscount of La Torre has been requested by Mr. Nicolás Lucián Gómez-Acebo Carney, a minor, duly represented by his mother, Mrs. Winston Holmes Carney, due to the death of his father, Mr. Juan Gómez-Acebo y de Borbón.

BOE-B-2025-8147 Anuncio de la Subsecretaría (División de Derechos de Gracia y otros Derechos), sobre solicitud de sucesión como Vizconde de la Torre.

www.boe.es

 

[Somebody]

I cannot think of any other person that might have a better claim to this title but we'll have to wait and see if it is indeed granted to Juan's son. Or would one of Juan's siblings be able to claim this title that previously belonged to their father?

 

[An Ard Ri]

Winston Holmes Carney is the Dowager Viscountess , I don't think that Don Juan Gómez-Acebo was divorced?
Nicolás Gómez-Acebo is his father heir and I can't see one of his aunt or uncles laying claim to the title.

 

[maria-olivia]

To me the late Don Fernando's Child was Nicolas , but his Mother was Greek ?

 

[Somebody]

Winston Holmes Carney is the Dowager Viscountess , I don't think that Don Juan Gómez-Acebo was divorced?
Nicolás Gómez-Acebo is his father heir and I can't see one of his aunt or uncles laying claim to the title.

They got divorced in 2019. At the time of his death, Juan was living with his partner Teresa Verez Estenson in Miami, so he remained close to his son.

To me the late Don Fernando's Child was Nicolas , but his Mother was Greek ?

No, she is American.

 

[Stefan]

No, she is American.

The wife of Fernando was greek. The wife of Juan Filiberto was american.

 

[An Ard Ri]

They got divorced in 2019. At the time of his death, Juan was living with his partner Teresa Verez Estenson in Miami, so he remained close to his son.

Oh yes so they were and with so many divorces in the Gómez-Acebo family its hard to keep track of them all!
QVD: Juan Gómez-Acebo y de Borbón (1969-2024)

 

[Kinan]

To me the late Don Fernando's Child was Nicolas , but his Mother was Greek ?

Both Fernando and Juan had son named Nicolas. So, they are first cousins, with the same name, and both fathers passed away last year.

 

[Tatiana Maria]

I cannot think of any other person that might have a better claim to this title but we'll have to wait and see if it is indeed granted to Juan's son. Or would one of Juan's siblings be able to claim this title that previously belonged to their father?

If a member of a more senior line of the viscomital de la Torre family allowed the viscountcy to bypass him or her when it was rehabilitated for Juan's father at his request, my understanding is that the person's legitimate descendants would have a better claim to it than Juan's son if they chose to apply to succeed, assuming the title was created with the normal rules of succession. But I have no knowledge of the de la Torre family tree.

 

[An Ard Ri]

Don Luis Gómez-Acebo was created Viscount La Torre in March 1967,the request was made in 1964
The Infanta Pilar was granted the title of Duchess of Badajoz for life in April 1967
Historia Hispánica
https://www.boe.es/boe/dias/1964/03/13/pdfs/A03307-03307.pdf
https://www.boe.es/boe/dias/1967/04/17/pdfs/A05076-05076.pdf

 

[meeralakshmi]

I cannot think of any other person that might have a better claim to this title but we'll have to wait and see if it is indeed granted to Juan's son. Or would one of Juan's siblings be able to claim this title that previously belonged to their father?

It appears that his son has inherited the title.

If a member of a more senior line of the viscomital de la Torre family allowed the viscountcy to bypass him or her when it was rehabilitated for Juan's father at his request, my understanding is that the person's legitimate descendants would have a better claim to it than Juan's son if they chose to apply to succeed, assuming the title was created with the normal rules of succession. But I have no knowledge of the de la Torre family tree.

Juan’s son inherited the viscountcy.

 

[Biri]

To paraphrase Jimmy Carter (may he RIP):

I say to you quite frankly that the time for discrimination of the children born out of wedlock is over

 

[meeralakshmi]

To paraphrase Jimmy Carter (may he RIP):

I say to you quite frankly that the time for discrimination of the children born out of wedlock is over

I think he’s considered legitimate because his parents married.

 

[Somebody]

It appears that his son has inherited the title.

Juan’s son inherited the viscountcy.

He has not yet. The announcement of his request to receive the title is posted in the Boletín Oficial del Estado specifically so others that think they might have a claim can come forward before it is awarded to Nicolás. Other potential claimants need to come forward within 30 days of the day the announcement was published (March 6).

 

[meeralakshmi]

He has not yet. The announcement of his request to receive the title is posted in the Boletín Oficial del Estado specifically so others that think they might have a claim can come forward before it is awarded to Nicolás. Other potential claimants need to come forward within 30 days of the day the announcement was published (March 6).

Interesting, I’ve seen sources refer to him as the 4th Viscount of La Torre.

 

[Somebody]

Interesting, I’ve seen sources refer to him as the 4th Viscount of La Torre.

Those sources are mistaken in that case; the BOE announcement that was posted upthread and started this discussion is very clear. It has been 'requested' but not yet 'granted'. Only after a BOE announcement that he indeed will succeed his father as Viscount de la Torre (if applicable), will he be the next Viscount.

 

[Tatiana Maria]

Adding to Somebody's post: As mentioned in the official notice, there is a legally required thirty-day waiting period during which anyone else who thinks they have a better claim to the title may also file a claim. If no other claims are filed, or if the government deems Juan to have a better claim than anyone else who files a claim, then Juan's son will be granted permission from the government to inherit the title.

 

[meeralakshmi]

Under the modern nobiliary law, successions to titles of nobility are not automatic even in cases where it seems clear who is the rightful heir. In this case, Juan's widow recently filed a claim to the title on her son's behalf (see the official notice linked in lula's post). But, as mentioned in the official notice, there is a legally required thirty-day waiting period during which anyone else who thinks they have a better claim to the title may also file a claim. If no other claims are filed, or if the government deems Juan to have a better claim than anyone else who files a claim, then Juan's son will be granted permission from the government to inherit the title.

I see, then the sources that have referred to Nicolás as the 4th Viscount of La Torre are currently incorrect.