Crown Princess Mette-Marit's connection with Jeffrey Epstein

[maria-olivia]

Sorry ot nor she is discredited in her Country , in the other Royal Families and in the world for ever.
Haakon will never divorce , if he did it what a blame , divorcing a wife who is ill , a wife whose Son will be certainly will have his Son in Jail. He will be absolutely unpopular.

 

[Moran]

Thank you, Tatiana Maria! It's interesting indeed to have a look at the past.

I believe everything MM says about struggling to adapt. At the same time, I can't help but notice that her schedule through adaptation was - and has been long after adaptation ended - much lighter than many other married-ins. I mean, ladies who were going to have the top job. The future queens. We all face challenges at our jobs and MM and Haakon should have, perhaps, sat down and had an honest look through MM's life and choices. I mean, she was a waitress - ok, that's a perfectly respectable way to get yourself through uni and I was looked a little askance at because I was one of the few who were fully supported by the parent body. But that's the thing - all those around me who worked such jobs did it temporary. They all had higher aspirations. MM clearly didn't - and she and Haakon thought she could jump from this straight into royal life where predictability and grit are not a wishful addition but THE job? Haakon wanted too much of her and pressed her too much? For real? He isn't just her adoring husband, he's also her superior at the job, so to say. It's his job to have expectations of her but since he AGAIN sang the old tune of people deciding if they wanted a monarchy, I'm not surprised she never got it. HE never got it, either. Yes, it's good and admirable to know that you are where you are because people want you there. However, this is no absolution to neglect your duties or indulge a pampered, abusive, stealing drug-addict who doesn't even work with the money public pays you. Or, in MM's case, turn the convicted pedophile into a confidante to complain about your pampered life to. And THEN say, well, it's people who decide. We're all stellar and suffering and if people don't want us here, they're free to topple us down. We aren't changing our ways. Sure, he doesn't say it in words but that's how he behaves.

Not. The. Way. To. Go.

 

[Tatiana Maria]

We aren't changing our ways. Sure, he doesn't say it in words but that's how he behaves.

Interestingly, Crown Princess Mette-Marit said something of that nature ("and others have to adapt") in Part 2 of the same 2011 NRK documentary, which focused on her professional life (while Part 1 focused on her personal life).

Media: Kronprinsesse Mette-Marit, pt. 2

It is time for part II of the documentary about Mette-Marit. A NRK television crew followed her for a year. Part I is here – and was about her personal side. Part II is about her professional…

norwegianne.net

Note that "some of the translations may be paraphrased to get the gist".

"[Mette-Marit:] “It’s been important for me to determine that I’m the one who makes the choices during my life, and others have to adapt.”

In the year they’ve followed her, she’s had 207 official events. She says no to engagements more times than she says yes.

King Harald: “She has very many good ideas, and sees the world from outside.”

[…] “I have such a respect for the role of institutions in society, and I approach my work with humility.” Mette-Marit […]

[…] A former manager talked about the brainstorming they had about building their brand – what is important for Haakon and Mette-Marit to do, and select causes that they would go more in-depth on. [...]

[HIV/AIDS activist Caitlin] Chandler states that the majority of the work Mette-Marit does is behind the scenes.

[…] “She’s very good at connecting with people. I envy her that. I am more restrained.” King Harald.

[…] “The way to convince the Crown Princess is not with facts, but emotions, and it will take a long time. She will usually get it the way she wants it.”

[…] She talks about how it is important to meet people, to bring with her experiences so she can work for those who need it. [...]

Sometimes Mette-Marit enjoys challenging the King and they debate issues.

Sometimes the King and Queen have to stop some of the things Haakon and Mette-Marit wants to do. Sometimes they don’t.

[…] Mette-Marit has close friends around in a lot of what she does. And the friends comment that she gives a lot of herself to those around her, and loves to learn new things. […]"​

 

[Moran]

Thank you again, Tatiana Maria! I'd forgotten about this phrase from MM. Also, not sure at all that usually getting it the way she wants is is the compliment they clearly think it is. To me, it just stinks of, "I'm the Crown Princess and you are here to SERVE me, so shut up".

Also, while I believe MM will be absolutely thrilled to not having to undertake any duties anymore, I can't imagine she'll be happy to be FORCED OUT of them. Not the same thing at all. The first is a personal decision, made with the family council - not her birth family, I mean. The other is other people broadcasting for all the world to fit that you were given the sack because you couldn't deal with the job, didn't have the qualities needed, couldn't satisfy the absolute must everywhere that you shouldn't behave in a way that compromises your employer. No one can be happy with this. And don't let me even start on how the future-future queen is going to take it. The absolute meltdown of whining, pitying Mommy and self-pity is about to follow because this 22-year-old baby is too young and sensitive to realize that being best buddy with a pedophile and worshipping at his feet is a bad thing even when it's Mommy doing it. Honestly, Ingrid's behavior - the oh so secret post, the way she is said to have behaved towards journalists - remind me of William's promise to restore Mommy's HRH to Mommy once he's king because Mommy was sad and crying. And yes, if he had been Ingrid's age then, I would have found this downright creepy because a 22 year-old is expected to know better than making promises for when Daddy is no longer with us because Mommy is crying. But he wasn't 22.

 

[Tatiana Maria]

You're welcome! Good point about being forced out.

I'm not sure the "gets her way" line was intended as a compliment. It was preceded by the observation that facts will not convince the Crown Princess (only emotions will, and she usually cannot be convinced at all), and surely even she herself would acknowledge that "impervious to facts" is a shortcoming?

One positive side of Crown Princess Mette-Marit is that, as @norwegianne commented on in the blog post, she hasn't asked her family to create an idealized image of her, and their comments about her in the documentary were more realistic than what some other royal families would (publicly) say about their family members.

Moreover, despite 23 years as a generally respected future queen before the recent scandals broke, Mette-Marit has not cultivated the sort of aggressive, blindly loyal fandom that many other married-in wives of European princes in her generation have (even though, if she had, she would have more defenders now).

 

[Moran]

Right, these are things to consider, although I'd say that with the way MM talks about herself, I see the comments you posted as an idealized image - it's just her idea of ideal. I'd never think that being convinced by emotions alone is a good thing for myself or others but then again, I'm always ready to adapt and put myself in other people's shoes until people start taking it for granted, whereupon a rather rude awakening follows (more rude than I intend, actually) and then, a more balanced approach is being worked out from both parties. Over the years, I got a better hang of this propensity of mine but I'd never announce proudly how adaptable I am because I recognize that sometimes, it's a problem. MM seems proud of always getting her way, so it makes sense to feel others pointing it out as praise.

I've sometimes wondered how this kind of blindly loyal fandom gets cultivated. What does one to do get it?

 

[sm1939]

sounds more like bullying to get her way . The more I hear about her.

 

[An Ard Ri]

Another patronage has distanced themselves from Mette-Marit

"The Norwegian Library Association is putting Crown Princess Mette-Marit's patronage on hold. This is stated on the association's website.
"Earlier this week, we asked the Norwegian Royal Family for more information about the Crown Princess's relationship with convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein. The Norwegian Library Association needs more knowledge and clarity in the matter. We have been informed that it will take time before a comprehensive report is available."
"The information that has emerged so far provides a basis for critical questions. Based on the current situation, the Norwegian Library Association has decided to put the patronage on hold."

Settes på pause

Nok et beskytterskap setter samarbeidet med kronprinsessen på is.

www.dagbladet.no

On her wedding day , the king said of MM , "I have read several times about you that you are the ordinary girl who will today become the Crown Princess of Norway. That does not match my impression – you are not an ordinary girl – you are an extraordinary girl."
"You are unusually open and honest. You are unusually committed. You have extraordinary willpower. You are extraordinarily brave. You have made an extraordinary choice today. You are extraordinarily in love with Haakon, and today you have chosen to enter an extraordinary life,"

I do wonder if the king would say the same of her 25 years later!

 

[Marengo]

RTL Boulevard says that Mette-Marit skipped a royal get-together in favour of an Epstein visit. On 2 March 2013 -less than two months before the inauguration of King Willem-Alexander, the then Prince of Orange hosted other European royal heirs at Castle Het Oude Loo, next to Het Loo palace in Apeldoorn. Crown Prince Haakon was there, Mette-Marit was not. Now it is clear she was in New-York that weekend visiting Epstein.

2013 photo of the heirs.

Mette-Marit was bij Epstein tijdens koninklijk feestje Willem-Alexander

Of je bezoekt een exclusieve bijeenkomst van koning Willem-Alexander (58) met alleen maar troonopvolgers óf je boekt een weekendje New York. Nou, dat laatste koos de Noorse kroonprinses Mette-Marit (52) en ze werd daar vergezeld door ongewoon gezelschap.

www.rtl.nl

Apparently she has been mentioned over 1000 times in the Epstein files.

 

[tommy100]

I imagine Epstein's ultra rich lifestyle is more appealing to MM than the old money royal lifestyle the meeting of the heirs would be like.

 

[Princess_Eleanor]

Other European royals will definitely keep being diplomatic towards MM should they encounter each other, but the question is how many will actually continue to consider her a personal friend...

 

[Moran]

RTL Boulevard says that Mette-Marit skipped a royal get-together in favour of an Epstein visit. On 2 March 2013 -less than two months before the inauguration of King Willem-Alexander, the then Prine of Orange hosted other European royal heirs at Castle Het Oude Loo, next to Het Loo palace in Apeldoorn. Crown Prince Haakon was there, Mette-Marit was not. Now it is celar she was in New-York that weekend visiting Epstein.

2013 photo of the heirs.

Mette-Marit was bij Epstein tijdens koninklijk feestje Willem-Alexander

Of je bezoekt een exclusieve bijeenkomst van koning Willem-Alexander (58) met alleen maar troonopvolgers óf je boekt een weekendje New York. Nou, dat laatste koos de Noorse kroonprinses Mette-Marit (52) en ze werd daar vergezeld door ongewoon gezelschap.

www.rtl.nl

Apparently she has been mentioned over 1000 times in the Epstein files.

Oh-oh. Not a good look. Especially with her fear of flying. So, Epstein was so much more exciting that she was ready to board a plane just to escape those stiffy royals who gave her the means to meet the exciting one in the first place?

Too many small instances of closer acquaintance after she googled him.

 

[Snowangel]

RTL Boulevard says that Mette-Marit skipped a royal get-together in favour of an Epstein visit. On 2 March 2013 -less than two months before the inauguration of King Willem-Alexander, the then Prince of Orange hosted other European royal heirs at Castle Het Oude Loo, next to Het Loo palace in Apeldoorn. Crown Prince Haakon was there, Mette-Marit was not. Now it is celar she was in New-York that weekend visiting Epstein.

2013 photo of the heirs.

Mette-Marit was bij Epstein tijdens koninklijk feestje Willem-Alexander

Of je bezoekt een exclusieve bijeenkomst van koning Willem-Alexander (58) met alleen maar troonopvolgers óf je boekt een weekendje New York. Nou, dat laatste koos de Noorse kroonprinses Mette-Marit (52) en ze werd daar vergezeld door ongewoon gezelschap.

www.rtl.nl

Apparently she has been mentioned over 1000 times in the Epstein files.

This is so so bad

 

[Muhler]

Other European royals will definitely keep being diplomatic towards MM should they encounter each other, but the question is how many will actually continue to consider her a personal friend...

Good question!
I really wonder, what other royals think about her now.
I doubt they will trust her completely even in the best of circumstances.

She has been exposed happily babbling away to Epstein and choosing the fun life before duty. Who else has she been "confiding" to?

 

[Moran]

Good question!
I really wonder, what other royals think about her now.
I doubt they will trust her completely even in the best of circumstances.

She has been exposed happily babbling away to Epstein and choosing the fun life before duty. Who else has she been "confiding" to?

This far, we've only seen her complain of boredom and making unkind comments about a wedding held under sober circumstances. But even this is enough to see that she doesn't get it and it isn't a royal thing, it's a humane thing.

I suspect that the other royals who have associated with her and know the value of having discreet friends wonder from time to time if they are going to pop up as a subject MM has discussed in dismissive terms in the next batch of Epstein files, whenever it comes.

 

[camelot23ca]

Good question!
I really wonder, what other royals think about her now.
I doubt they will trust her completely even in the best of circumstances.

She has been exposed happily babbling away to Epstein and choosing the fun life before duty. Who else has she been "confiding" to?

I saw a meme the other day that’s a variation of an older saying- “dance like no one is watching but email like it will one day be included in a three million page Department of Justice public document release.”

It’s just a silly meme, but it has surprised me how open some of the high profile people included in the Epstein files were (including Mette Marit but certainly not limited to her). Leaving aside the poor judgement shown by befriending him in the first place it’s just a very minimal level of common sense for someone like Mette Marit to leave as small a paper trail as possible, especially in her dealings with her criminal friend, but really just in her day to day life.

 

[tommy100]

I think the fact she told someone so openly that the Lux wedding was “so boring” and the indiscretion it suggests she has talking about fellow royals will mean she will be kept at arms length by most royals now. Royals value discretion at all costs.

 

[Tatiana Maria]

In my opinion, discussing third parties within a private conversation is within the bounds of normal discretion. (Whether the sentiments expressed are acceptable or not is a different question.) I have certainly had conversations with family or friends about social events one of us attended, and the people who were at the event.

In 2011-2014, I don't think anyone had any reason to think the contents of Jeffrey Epstein's email inbox could someday enter the public domain.

 

[HRHHermione]

In 2011-2014, I don't think anyone had any reason to think the contents of Jeffrey Epstein's email inbox could someday enter the public domain.

He’d been a registered sex offender since 2008. I would think anyone who corresponded with him after that should have at least had a moment of “is being friends with a registered sex offender a good idea?” level of awareness.

 

[tommy100]

With respect she is talking about the wedding - a state event - of a foreign country and ally. If she said "oh we went to Gui and Steph's house for the weekend and it was really boring" that is one thing, for sure indiscreet and for sure not polite but its based purely on a personal friendship level so very much just gossip.
What she was talking about was a state event she was invited to as an official representative of Norway, a state event funded by the taxpayers of Luxembourg. I remember a certain UK ambassador to the US getting sacked for his private remarks about Trump in his first presidency being made public.
The fact she talked so openly and indiscreetly about anything to do with other royals to someone she met "only a handful of times" (if we believe her) is pretty telling IMO.

 

[Tatiana Maria]

He’d been a registered sex offender since 2008. I would think anyone who corresponded with him after that should have at least had a moment of “is being friends with a registered sex offender a good idea?” level of awareness.

I think that is a separate issue from whether talking about an acquaintance's wedding in an email is indiscreet. My comment was only addressing the latter.

 

[Moran]

I think that is a separate issue from whether talking about an acquaintance's wedding in an email is indiscreet. My comment was only addressing the latter.

But the thing is, we've got no way to know if only the latter is true, apart from MM's words - and who is going to believe her? Even if she weeps and vows that she was never disparaging even if she did drop a name here and there... she shed tears before her wedding and she vowed she barely knew Epstein years ago and kind of doubled down on it now. I wouldn't rest peacefully if I was any of those royals who might have decided to trust Haakon's judgment that she had learned how important discretion was in their circles.

It would be wise of any royal to accept that she can't be trusted anymore because there's no way to know more and about what is known, she lied.

 

[Tatiana Maria]

With respect she is talking about the wedding - a state event - of a foreign country and ally. If she said "oh we went to Gui and Steph's house for the weekend and it was really boring" that is one thing, for sure indiscreet and for sure not polite but its based purely on a personal friendship level so very much just gossip.
What she was talking about was a state event she was invited to as an official representative of Norway, a state event funded by the taxpayers of Luxembourg. I remember a certain UK ambassador to the US getting sacked for his private remarks about Trump in his first presidency being made public.
The fact she talked so openly and indiscreetly about anything to do with other royals to someone she met "only a handful of times" (if we believe her) is pretty telling IMO.

I think those are good points, but I personally think simple gossip meant to remain private (assuming there was indeed a reasonable expectation of privacy and the remarks weren't made recklessly) should be treated differently than e.g. leaking state secrets, even when it involves an official state representative such as a royal or diplomat.

But the thing is, we've got no way to know if only the latter is true, apart from MM's words - and who is going to believe her? Even if she weeps and vows that she was never disparaging even if she did drop a name here and there... she shed tears before her wedding and she vowed she barely knew Epstein years ago and kind of doubled down on it now. I wouldn't rest peacefully if I was any of those royals who might have decided to trust Haakon's judgment that she had learned how important discretion was in their circles.

It would be wise of any royal to accept that she can't be trusted anymore because there's no way to know more and about what is known, she lied.

Sorry, I'm not sure I understand. When I wrote "the latter" I was referring to my own post (and the Crown Princess didn't say anything about me, I'm sure .) Do you mean that she may have made even more disparaging comments about other royals that we don't yet know about?

 

[Somebody]

RTL Boulevard says that Mette-Marit skipped a royal get-together in favour of an Epstein visit. On 2 March 2013 -less than two months before the inauguration of King Willem-Alexander, the then Prince of Orange hosted other European royal heirs at Castle Het Oude Loo, next to Het Loo palace in Apeldoorn. Crown Prince Haakon was there, Mette-Marit was not. Now it is clear she was in New-York that weekend visiting Epstein.

2013 photo of the heirs.

Mette-Marit was bij Epstein tijdens koninklijk feestje Willem-Alexander

Of je bezoekt een exclusieve bijeenkomst van koning Willem-Alexander (58) met alleen maar troonopvolgers óf je boekt een weekendje New York. Nou, dat laatste koos de Noorse kroonprinses Mette-Marit (52) en ze werd daar vergezeld door ongewoon gezelschap.

www.rtl.nl

Apparently she has been mentioned over 1000 times in the Epstein files.

In what way has it been confirmed that the four-days at Epstein's house (she didn't meet him personally during those days IIRC) were exactly at these dates, so far I've just read '2013'? It looks like their marriage was in pretty bad shape indeed at that time, that she preferred a private getaway to the States over spending time with her royal friends one last time in this constellation (as heirs) before the first of them would become the head of state of his country.

 

[Moran]

Sorry, I'm not sure I understand. When I wrote "the latter" I was referring to my own post (and the Crown Princess didn't say anything about me, I'm sure .) Do you mean that she may have made even more disparaging comments about other royals that we don't yet know about?

The conversation started with a poster suggesting that MM can no longer be trusted by other royals, a sentiment with which I agree. And yes, that's what I mean. We only know part of it and with MM being so petty and mean as to disparage a wedding made in such circumstances because her own boredom or Epstein patting her head for being so cool were more important, it's prudent to expect that her royal acquantiances were discussed disparagingly and indiscreetly - meaning, Epstein was told things he had no business knowing because MM was sure it would never come to day - and it didn't, indeed, as long as it was up to Epstein. All she can say now is that she wasn't indiscreet in any bad way but this particular email and her story of lying through her teeth don't inspire confidence.

I find the comments about the Luxembourg wedding horrible. A woman capable of making them knowing her "friend's" Stephanie circumstances is certainly capable of saying much worse. I suppose she did. She's just lucky it hasn't come to light yet.

Sure, simple gossip meant to remain private should be treated differently but the emails prove what she said. It isn't "she said it and then it died away". Written words don't die. Being treated differently doesn't mean MM being treated the same as before. It doesn't oblige anyone to vouch for her discretion.

 

[carlota]

On her wedding day , the king said of MM , "I have read several times about you that you are the ordinary girl who will today become the Crown Princess of Norway. That does not match my impression – you are not an ordinary girl – you are an extraordinary girl."
"You are unusually open and honest. You are unusually committed. You have extraordinary willpower. You are extraordinarily brave. You have made an extraordinary choice today. You are extraordinarily in love with Haakon, and today you have chosen to enter an extraordinary life,"

I do wonder if the king would say the same of her 25 years later!

wow. 'open and honest, committed, willpower'.... this didn't age very well!

 

[HRHHermione]

I think that is a separate issue from whether talking about an acquaintance's wedding in an email is indiscreet. My comment was only addressing the latter.

I think my point was more that if a high profile person is going to be indiscreet, they should at least be mindful of who they’re talking to.

 

[Marengo]

I think my point was more that if a high profile person is going to be indiscreet, they should at least be mindful of who they’re talking to.

Indeed. And next to Epstein being a registered sex offender, which was not a problem for MM, she had the example of still prince Andrew right there. He was forced to lay down his functions as trade representative due to his Epstein friendship BEFORE Mette-Marit visited Epstein. It was a very public scandal, very much talked about in the media. She must have known the potential consequences that come with having Epstein as a friend. And still she went ahead.

 

[Muhler]

The problem is that MM decided to be indescreet to someone who at the time already had a somewhat questionable reputation.
And this is what she wrote to Epstein, what did she say to him, I wonder.

Okay, she was indiscreet, fair enough. It can happen.
But it doesn't restore trust in her that she has pulled a public "recollections may vary" in regards to Epstein.
Naturally that means every royal friend she has may wonder: does she still have problems with her recollection?

 

[An Ard Ri]

The problem is that MM decided to be indescreet to someone who at the time already had a somewhat questionable reputation.
And this is what she wrote to Epstein, what did she say to him, I wonder.

Okay, she was indiscreet, fair enough. It can happen.
But it doesn't restore trust in her that she has pulled a public "recollections may vary" in regards to Epstein.
Naturally that means every royal friend she has may wonder: does she still have problems with her recollection?

Indeed and it also remains to be seen what else if anything comes out , that could be a make or break scenario for MM!