Crown Princess Mette-Marit's connection with Jeffrey Epstein


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On the cover of German Der Spiegel, Mette-Marit is placed alongside several of the world's most famous people around Jeffrey Epstein.
What wonderful company MM has been placed alongside!
Mette- Marit and her wife hunting for Espstein
 
Although there was no proof that Daniel was vetted, there is no proof that he wasn't either - stating that he certainly wasn't is a false assumption imho. Vetting isn't about the formalities, it's about suitability. Had there been massive red flags, the government of the day may have not approved the marriage. Obviously, this is not the same in Norway....
I’m convinced that Daniel and many other incoming royals have been vetted, however the essence of the procedure is that it’s done discreetly! The general public has no rights to any information about this!
I’m also convinced that MM was being vetted before the engagement, in spite of her being known on the local party scene! Whatever the issues back then, Epstein wasn’t a problem till much later. IMO her worst problem now is her obvious lack of “ decorum”, the ability to conduct herself in accordance with the propriety of her official role and function. MM was invited by JE as a crown princess and not as a private person! In fact she can only be “ private” in the company of equally dicreet family members and friends!
 
In the Bulgarian forum, there's a photo of MM shaking hands with Gislaine Maxwell on some global event. There's a second picture as well. The pictures of her with Maxwell don't bother me - it's an official event, you meet many people. But the fact that the Royal Household had clutched the photos for over 10 years and is just now releasing them doesn't look good.

Marius (then 15) is in the second picture. But, but, but I thought he wasn't part of the working life of the RF and that's why his mother's expectations of him were different than her expectations of IA and SM?

The NRF has lied too long about these two, leaning onto the King and Queen's popularity which has now been taking a chip because of Mummy and Precious Baby. I'm sure that if there were a viable alternative (meaning, a third HRH who has somehow managed to choose a royal material partner), some talks would have been held, at least. But now, it's impossible. It's just how it is.
 

Photo published in an article by "bild" today

While Marius is currently on trial, a photo from 2012 has surfaced! It shows Marius at age 15, accompanying his mother, Mette-Marit, to an event. Standing close to Mette-Marit is Epstein's accomplice, Ghislaine Maxwell.

They all attended the Clinton Global Initiative conference in New York. It's no secret that Bill Clinton, among others, knew Epstein. Mette-Marit is also more deeply implicated in the dead sex offender's activities than was long assumed.
Remember that this was long after Epstein's conviction in 2007 which made international headlines.
 
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Marius (then 15) is in the second picture. But, but, but I thought he wasn't part of the working life of the RF and that's why his mother's expectations of him were different than her expectations of IA and SM?

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I'm sure he's not there in royal capacity. Probably Marius was there as follow up for the email about naked women wallpaper (so he could get direct "guidance" from Epstein).
 
I don't think we can blame Mette-Marit for attending the Clinton Global Initiative conference (a legitimate event for a working royal) and running into Ghislaine Maxwell there. Maybe Clinton should be questioned for having invited Maxwell in the first place, but that is a different issue.

What I don't understand is why MM took her 15-year-old son, who is not in line to the throne of Norway by the way, to attend this event with her. Anywyay, it shows what an unusual life of privilege Marius had compared to an average 15-year-old Norwegian boy, jetsetting to meet some of the world's most influential people.
 
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There's something not adding up in the Timeline regarding Mette-Marit and Epstein friendship
She would have been well aware between 2008- 2011 of his convictions but instead of cutting her ties she did the opposite.
As someone mentioned a few days ago, criminals and inmates were MM's regular circle for the first 26 years of her life. That was what she knew and once she was well and truly bored, she turned to the familiar. Now, the things he was convicted for are very grave but she somehow managed to turn a blind eye to the specifics. For some reason, she didn't think these details important enough. I suppose she just couldn't make the distinction between wild youth (with some additional cash-taking on the side) and real sexual abuse. Many people can't - they say "If she didn't say no at the time, how could it have been abuse?". Or perhaps she has associated with people who facilitated sexual services in her youth, which was, by her own admission, much worse than Marius'. Whatever. She knew. She just didn't feel it mattered. Which is why she's vastly unsuitable to have anything to do with associations championing women's rights. Well before she turned a blind eye to her dangerous son.
 
Alarm bells should have been going off with the Crown Princess and the Palace in 2013 with her association and her blossoming friendship with Epstein.
What ever she did in her past is another story but as the bored Crown Princess she was endangering the Norwegian Monarchy,
 
Alarm bells should have been going off with the Crown Princess and the Palace in 2013 with her association and her blossoming friendship with Epstein.
What ever she did in her past is another story but as the bored Crown Princess she was endangering the Norwegian Monarchy,
Right. And it's no excuse, but I'm sure that it didn't look this dangerous at the time, to the Palace at least. I suppose Marius hadn't yet grown fully into his ways, the RF popularity was huge and if they could have made the marriage accepted in 2001, they likely felt it was nowhere this bad now.
 
I just think Crown princess mette Marit and her son live on a different planted they take what they want and moan about the things they don't like , I do find it odd that the Royal family didn't give her an idea what it would in tail to be a Crown Princess, Like the Denmark Royalty did with Queen Mary . or is it because Queen Mary has a work ethic .......... not sure .
 
Although there was no proof that Daniel was vetted, there is no proof that he wasn't either - stating that he certainly wasn't is a false assumption imho. Vetting isn't about the formalities, it's about suitability. Had there been massive red flags, the government of the day may have not approved the marriage.


Point taken. However, if Daniel Westling was ever vetted, it would have happened before he and Victoria were (known to be) engaged to be married, as the prime minister wasn't told they were engaged until immediately before the public announcement:



For whatever it is worth, one of the Swedish posters on TRF is convinced that the Swedish governments rubber-stamped all of the recent royal marriages without any vetting (for suitability) or discussion and the marriage approval process is treated as a formality; see here:

Just the idea of av "vetting process" is totally absurd if you're a swede. No matter who would do the vetting.
My comment was a respons to: "Perhaps that's the reason why the Riksdag wants out in granting final consent to royal marriages - if something horrible and damaging to Sweden comes out on the consort it approved it would hurt that representative's political career? Questions raised on the approval process and how thorough was the vetting?"

Yes. The kings children need the formal approval of the parliament to be allowed to marry into the family. That's correct. To the best of my knowledge, this is also just an old symbolic tradition - just like the inspection of newborn royal babies. No one seriously thinks that a royal child these days would be switched at birth (or something like that). It's just a tradition. The same goes for the formal approval of a royal marriage. I have no doubt that all the partners of the royal children are thoroughly screened from a security point as soon as they start dating - it would be irresponsible to let a security risk have access to the royal family. But there is no "vetting process", if you mean that the prime minister and his cabinet sit down to have discussions about if Daniel, Sofia and Chris are suitable to marry their (now) spouses.

I would be happy to move this to the Swedish forum or general royal discussion forum to keep this thread on topic.

ETA: Moved the discussion of Swedish marriage approvals to the Swedish marriage thread, here: Unequal Marriages
 
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New statement from Crown Princess Mette-Marit:
We understand the strong reactions people have to what has come to light in recent days.

The Crown Princess strongly distances herself from Epstein's abuse and criminal acts. She is very sorry for not having understood early enough what kind of person he was.

The Crown Princess would like to talk about what happened and explain herself in more detail.

She is unable to do so now. The Crown Princess is in a very demanding situation. She hopes that you will understand that she needs time to gather herself.

The Crown Princess states the following:

"I would like to express my deepest regret for my friendship with Jeffrey Epstein. It is important for me to apologize to all of you that I have disappointed. Some of the content of the messages between Epstein and me does not represent the person I want to be. I also regret the situation that I have put the Royal House in, especially the King and Queen."


 
I just think Crown princess mette Marit and her son live on a different planted they take what they want and moan about the things they don't like , I do find it odd that the Royal family didn't give her an idea what it would in tail to be a Crown Princess, Like the Denmark Royalty did with Queen Mary . or is it because Queen Mary has a work ethic .......... not sure .
Well, Alexandra, Queen Mary and Marie were trained for their roles.
All three of them were allocated a very experienced woman as a lady-in-waiting who could guide them. Teachers from the military language-school gave them a crash course in Danish and they got lessons in Danish culture, the society, history, mindset and so on. And they went solo as soon as possible.
The reason being the tradition for marrying foreigners in the DRF, who are not expected to know much about anything.
And the DRF learned from the problems Prince Henrik had adjusting to his role and place in the pecking order.
I suppose some monarchies don't believe it is that important or that the poor things will "just learn on the job."

All three of them were checked discreetly, that's no secret. Specifically, a request went out to Australia to find out if there were issues with Mary Donaldson.
 
New statement from Crown Princess Mette-Marit:




It is interesting that Crown Princess Mette-Marit's press release also includes the royal court's earlier statements on the Epstein matter, including the 2019 response.

I personally appreciate that she included them, as that makes it easier for us to keep track of all the statements, and it shows transparency on her part.

But it is interesting because there is an ongoing discussion about inaccuracy(ies) in the 2019 answer. Between the press department's earlier refusal to say whether they lied in 2019, and the Crown Princess reposting their 2019 statement here, it would seem she is not running away from speculation about whether she lied to the press department in 2019.

That, combined with her comment that "I also regret the situation that I have put the Royal House in, especially the King and Queen", makes me wonder whether the Crown Princess is preparing to throw herself under the bus, as the expression goes, to save the other members of the Royal House.
 
This is a press office statement and she really can't say anything less. An attempt of damage control.
Whether it's genuine or not remains to be seen.

Marius also had a growling statement issued in his name...
 
This is a press office statement and she really can't say anything less. An attempt of damage control.
Whether it's genuine or not remains to be seen.

Marius also had a growling statement issued in his name...
Totally this. But an attempt of damage control is far better than letting the paisants growl because it's going to go away - and a silence this long reeks of "We don't need to explain ourselves to paisants and we didn't do anything this bad anyway."

MM's teary-eyed confession before her marriage won her the acceptance of the marriage. Granted, she's spent a good size of the credit she had but could it work again for her, to some extent?
 
She may be referring to her lung disease and/or Marius's situation.
Probably both but the second seems most pressing at the moment (and maybe a third issue might be the media storm that her involvement with Epstein created at the same time - as that would also require some 'collecting herself'). It might take a while until we learn more but in terms of crisis management, this is at least somewhat of a start: promising that she will explain herself at some (unknown) point in the future. And stating that it doesn't represent who she wants to be (I'm glad she doesn't say that it doesn't represent who she was/is). Imho the not 'having understood what kind of person he was' continues to ring hollow given that she was aware but actively chose to ignore the evidence that was in front of her.
 
Probably both but the second seems most pressing at the moment (and maybe a third issue might be the media storm that her involvement with Epstein created at the same time - as that would also require some 'collecting herself'). It might take a while until we learn more but in terms of crisis management, this is at least somewhat of a start: promising that she will explain herself at some (unknown) point in the future. And stating that it doesn't represent who she wants to be (I'm glad she doesn't say that it doesn't represent who she was/is). Imho the not 'having understood what kind of person he was' continues to ring hollow given that she was aware but actively chose to ignore the evidence that was in front of her.
She can't just say "I am sorry". If she is smart and not dumb, IF there should be any more stuff coming from the files ( I understand only 30 % are released?) she need to tell EVERYTHING. Or this will hunt her down. Anyways they have a big problem. As a Norwegian, I love our monarchy. But I (and several of people I know) always thought she has been unsuitable as a Crown Princess. Not sure their children are suitable either, but that is another discussion. The way she and the royal court handles stuff makes a republic welcome.
 
This is a press office statement and she really can't say anything less. An attempt of damage control.
Whether it's genuine or not remains to be seen.

Marius also had a growling statement issued in his name...
Sadly for the King and Queen damage has been done , MM and her son are all over the news worldwide.
I would worry that there are further revelations within the unreleased Epstein files or from that come from the Marius trial.
 
I think if it hadn't been Epstein it would of been some one else , she was bored in her Role, full stop .
she just wanted Fun and doing her own thing , which she always has done . Sorry but the Children Princess and Prince should be closely watched now , sorry to say. because they cant listen to their parents
 
I think if it hadn't been Epstein it would of been some one else , she was bored in her Role, full stop .
she just wanted Fun and doing her own thing , which she always has done .

Is it known when she diagnosed with her lung condition?
 
There's something not adding up in the Timeline regarding Mette-Marit and Epstein friendship
She would have been well aware between 2008- 2011 of his convictions but instead of cutting her ties she did the opposite.

A lot of people didn’t. There’s a pretty long list of prominent people who socialized with him in some capacity. Epstein wasn’t really a pariah, as best I can tell, until AFTER his second arrest.

I’m not trying to defend anyone, but I do find the meltdown some people are having over some people having any ties to Epstein between his first and second arrest now to be….. interesting. Where was the concern then? (Not all cases to be clear. It just seems anyone knowing Epstein has a problem these days.)

That’s not to say I don’t find the correspondence/photos released, in some cases, disturbing. I do. I would have distanced myself personally. But a lot of people didn’t distance themselves- and it appeared to be socially acceptable then to not do so. NOW it’s a problem. Interesting how the goal posts seemed to shift.
 
Haakon said today at his work event to the press:
– For me, the most important thing in recent days has been to take care of the flock, support Marius in the situation he is in now, look after the other children. They must also be looked after. And I must take care of the Crown Princess. Fortunately, she takes care of me too, he says.
He further says that Mette-Marit understands that there are many who want to hear from her.
– She thinks it's completely natural, and she would like to tell. But now she can't. I also tell her that she's not allowed to. She needs time to gather herself, and then she would like to tell more about the case. We hope that there is understanding that she needs some time.
 
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