Clément, acknowledged by Prince Laurent as his son


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Clément is a male-line descendant. That's the difference.

He, just like Delphine, was not born from a marriage. So he could get a title, but no place in the line of succession.
Delphine herself is also a male-line descendant: she was born as the daughter of prince Albert. Only her children aren't male-line descendants.

If I understand it correctly, for Clément to become a prince of Belgium his father first needs to legally acknowledge him or more precisely, it first needs to be legally established that he is Laurent's son. Laurent publicly acknowledging him as his biological son to the media, is not sufficient.

I was wondering why Princess Claire doesn't seem to be around as much lately. She probably had some idea that this announcement was on the horizon.

Even though the relationship took place well before her marriage to Laurent, this can't be easy for her.🤔
Clément was born on 16 August 2000. According to the media at the time of Laurent and Claire's engagement on 16 December 2002, they had been dating for about 2 years. So, if accurate, they started dating only a few months after his birth.
 
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Clément is a male-line descendant. That's the difference.

He, just like Delphine, was not born from a marriage. So he could get a title, but no place in the line of succession.

What do you mean? Delphine is, likewise, the daughter of a male royal.

Surely the difference is that Delphine has become the legal daughter of Albert II, whereas Clément has presumably not become the legal son of Laurent.

I also do not agree with the person (Mario Danneels? it is unclear to me) quoted in the article claiming that Clément would require the King and Government's future consent to become titled. That was once the general understanding, but after the Brussels appeals court in 2020 set the precedent of awarding a title to Delphine and her children without consulting the King and Government, I can imagine future judges doing the same (even if precedent is not officially binding in Belgium's civil law system).
 
Documentary:

-Opens with a clip of the tv news, where the announcer says that Wendy van Wanten -40 at the time- is pregnant. She announced it during a performance for fans in the casino of Middelkerke. She aks if people can respect her wish to consider the fatherhood strictly private.

Camera zooms to the now, Wendy says she says she thought it would be the end of it and did not imagine it would have such an impact. She tells Clément that it was in agreement with 'your father' . She continues: 'I received those words from him, to announce it there'.

Clément: I am turning 25. We are all humans. Nothing is wrong with it. Neither my father nor my mother did anything wrong. So I want to be able to go through life in a normal way, without the returning question: who is your father? Do you know who he is, is he dead? I want to be rid of that. You see, I just want to be able to grab a beer with my dad. He laughs: No... I don't drink alcohol, but you get the point.

Wendy: if it was up to me, I would probably never have spoken about it, but I do it to support my child. Out of love for him. And why now? Because he asks about it now. And I understand that and find it very couragious. that he wants to share his story,

Part where Clément is praising his mother and saying why he admires her: she started from nothing and did everything herself.

Docu is going through Wendy´s carreer and how she got her artistic name [which is a word pun in Dutch].
Clément: I have two mothers: when we are at home it is Iris but as soon as we go anywhere, people will call for Wendy.

In 1995 he was a guest at the fashion show of Belgian designer Gerald Watelet [who designed the wedding dress for Katia della Faille, who married the grandson of the Count and Css of Paris, Thierry de Limburg-Stirum] in Paris, where she met Prince Laurent. He wanted to meet her, there were cameras and later she was asked right away about the meeting by a reporter.

Wendy now: 'He has such a presence, you can't look around it, he is an imposing man. I was impressed'. Laurent invited the group and Wendy to go out for dinner. All of a sudden I was in the back of the car with a monseigneur. It was very pleasant, it is a many with a great sense of humor. He was very interested in my music [...] there was a click. [...] He was always very polite and attentative and I remember he wrote his phone number on a napkin. He told me: we will leave it at this for now, but promise me you will call me. Her manager encouraged her to call, afraid it would be unpolite not to call, we will see what happens.

She called, he remembered her: 'ah yes, Iris, I remember you from Paris. I am happy you called. You know what, we will meet up some time and have dinner together. I will pick you up at your house.'
- He picked her up with his car, earlier Wendy told him that Barbra Streisand was her idol, and he now had Streisand's music on in the car. They went to Brussels to eat. 'It was very charming and thoughtful of him, He came prepared! From there it started, that we were in touch, and all in all it lasted for seven years.'
 
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In 1995 he was a guest at the fashion show of Belgian designer Gerald Watelet in Paris, where she met Prince Laurent. He wanted to meet her, there were cameras and later she was asked right away about the meeting: 'He has such a presence, you can't look around it, he is an imposing man. I was impressed'. Laurent invited the group and Wendy to go out for dinner. All of a sudden I was in the back of the car with a monseigneur. It was very pleasant, it is a many with a great sense of humor. He was very interested in my music [...] there was a click. [...] He was always very polite and attentaive and I remember he wrote his phone number on a napkin. He told me: we will leave it at this for now, but promise me you will call me. Her manager encouraged her to call, afraid it would be unpolite not to call, we will see what happens.

She called, he remembered her: 'ah yes, Iris, I remember you from Paris. I am happy you called. You know what, we will meet up some time and have dinner together. I will pick you up at you house. He picked her up with his car, earlier she said that Barbra Streisand was her idol, and he now had her music on. They went to Brussels to eat. 'It was very charming and thoughtful of him, He was prepared! ' From there it started, that we were in touch, and all in all it lasted for seven years.
So, if it started in 1995 and lasted for 7 years, that was until 2002 when Laurent and Claire had been dating for at least a year. I suppose that means it ended by the time Laurent and Claire got engaged?!
 
It is on commercial break. So let's see what she says later on.

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Continued:

Images of Wendy and Clément ont he boulevard of Oostende.

Interviewer: you arrived in Brussels, tell me how did the dinner go?
Wendy: I immediately felt comfortable around him, I don't know why. He is also very interested, he wants to know everything about you. We started to make plans to go for dinner, or to the cinema. We also went abroad sometimes. But yes, nobody noticed. He often called: will you come? I want to talk a bit, I need you. I thought that is my task. I was embraced by him and he needed warmth and tenderness and I think I gave that to him. Laughs: otherwise it would never have come this far.

I though he was funny, His humor, his unpredictability made in attractive for me, also to experience things that otherwise I would not have experienced.

Interviewer asks about tenderness and the first kiss.
Wendy: It came very gently. It happened in the cinema, not my first choice, but hand in hand. It felt so normal, how you would normally grow towards each other. Going home, it was too far for me to drive home. It was evident to stay there. I don't know exactly... but when I came there [images of villa Clementine] , my world stopped. It was a different world I entered. Of course I had my busy carreer as singer, going to performances everywhere and afterwards going to Tervuren [villa Clementine] .. Very strange, but it calmed me down. It was something special but nobody could know.

Interviewer: were you in love?
Wendy: Yes, I was in love and addicted and that was something good. I felt safe with him. Time stopped. And I had a prince in my arms.

Photos of her in the garden of Tervuren.

I started to feel at home. I was always very welcome. Walking through the forest. At one point he had a quad as well. I could enjoy these new things with him. Hiss new cars, his passion for them. He involved me with a lot of things. Also with friends of his. He also came to me to eat without worry. We were walking on the Zavel (Sablon in Brussels?) eating an ice cream. Very normal things. He even made me spaghetti, he was cooking himself. Normal things. But I always knew: this is impossible. I did not grow up in that world. I have my carreer. I am Wendy van Wanten, that would not match with his future. I was very aware of that. It was a temporary fairytale.

Interviewer: it was also a bit different at some points.
Wendy: yes, there were a few breaks due to something I experienced when I went to the gate of his villa.

Documentary shows a news clip from the 90s where a newsreader talks about a message that Wendy was attacked at the gates of the villa of the Prince. Wendy was attacked and robbed by armed gangsters when she left the villa of the prince in the middle of the night. Prince Laurent and the parquet (prosecution) denied everything. It was a failed carjacking.

Wendy: I saw in my mirror that a car stopped behind me and three men stepped out of the car with dangerous things. It was clearly a carjacking. At the time you had no automatic locks, but I had the reflex -I will never forget it- I quickly pushed the button to lock the car and pulled backwards and drove away. Of course I was shocked, I never experienced this before, I was alone and it was late, after a performance of mine. I had to get to terms with it, it is something traumatic. Was it a warning that I should not be there maybe? I don't know.

Another news item of a few months later, where the paquet of Louvain confirms what happened.
The parquet denied it happened next to the princely domain. Wendy did not want to react.
They called Laurent: [in Dutch] 'I did not see it OK? I never saw it. There is always somebody at my house.
Another news item of that time, must have been a day later or so, now Wendy did react: 'I did not make up these facts and I did not take any initiative to make this news public. I want to make that very clear.
Voice over of the newsitem: 'Prince Laurent would find it regrettable if the singer would use the carjacking as a way to promote herself'.
Wendy then: About the reaction of the prince, that I would make up such a story for my popularity... that... I can only say I do not understand his reaction at all. And I find it very, very regretable.
Voiceover: the palace declined to comment about this case.

Back to now, Wendy has watched it on a tablet with her son.
Wendy: I will never forget. For some time I didn't dare to go to the villa. Untill... Laurent called me again and said: 'we need to talk again'. I said: I wouldn't dare, I am afraid. He said: we can meet at a restaurant in Brussels and we see each other there'. I did that, but I left my car there and he took me to his house in his car, and we started again [the relationship].

Interviewer with Wendy alone: he needed you?
Wendy: he needed me and I needed him too. After so many years, it is not an issue to stop due to that carjacking. But I did become afraid to go there alone. I then receied a remote control to open the gate myself, that felt a lot safer.

Interviewer: and you even grew closer together?
Wendy: Yes. For a few years it was something very passionate. At least for me at least. So I gave warm feelings to him, so he would feel safe with me as well. Because sometimes he had his moments of depression. Because not all went the way he wanted. He didn't always feel understood.

Another newsclip from the late 90s. Newsreader says: the youngest son of King Albert and Queen Paola is under treatment in a hospital in Brussels. According to the palace the prince has problems in the private sphere. Last week the prince had the flue and is now treated in the La Ramée institute in Uccle, which specialises in neuro-psychiatrics. The prince does not stay there permanently and tries to catch up with his agenda next week.
Item continues: [...] What is going on with the prince? The palace stays vague. It is about 'private problems'. In the item of that time the reporter says the prince has problems with his place in the family, which became worse after King Baudouin decided to change the line of succession in favor of Pss Astrid. But on Monday the monseigner who was considered terminally ill, alive and well at a semenarie. Only a bit thinner and with a short beard. Laurent [in Dutch}; there was a lot going on, there was a lot of fatigue. I was tired, it was nothing special.
Reporter: about the cause of his break down the prince tried to shut down those who speculated. He said it wasn't loneliness, neither love sickness. Laurent: 'everybody needs to live with loneliness. BTW in the bible they said that Jesus was always lonely. Always. And that was also hard for Him.

Back to the now:
Clément: I find it sad that they ..... because you can see very clearly that he doesn't feel well.
Wendy; I think that often I was able to be a support to him. Because he felt lonely, and that he wanted warmth and understanding around him. That is why I, for many years... I think i played a little part, to... uh.... to understand him. Clément: to help him and to give him a comfortable feeling. Wendy; but it was not my intention to use that or anything like that. I always went to him with sincere feelings and he always respected me.

Images of mother and son on the beach of Oostende

Interviewer: do you remember the moment that.....
Wendy: ...there was something going on there? laughs nervously
Interviewer.. laughs... repeats her words.
Wendy: Yes, well... it was a bit incredible. At my age, advanced age. I never took contraception, and the father also knew that. But I became very nausious, I remember that. But the thought that there would be a little prince in there - or little princess, I didn't know that yet-.. How are we,... how am I going to do all this?

Interviewer: at that moment with you, there was no doubt and also with the father there was no doubt? Laurent was the father of the unborn child?
Wendy: no there was no doubt, I am a very faithful person. There was nobody else and it also could not have been of the holy spirit. Jokes: or who knows, no no no.. giggles. She beams:: but yes, I was happy.

Interviewer: how did you tell the father? Do you remember?
Wendy; I don't remember exactly. But I had to tell him of course. At first he was a bit quiet. But then... he didn't react in a way like: this can't be, it is impossible. Or that he didn't want to see me again. That did not happen. So Clément was really conceived from love. He was not undesired at all, because during my pregnancy I experienced so many beautiful moments. Very tender, often he [Laurent] would be caressing my belly. It was actually a happy moment, it was a miracle. Both of us enjoyed it and we were commited to it. But of course things went differently in the end.



Commercial break.
 
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What do you mean? Delphine is, likewise, the daughter of a male royal.

Surely the difference is that Delphine has become the legal daughter of Albert II, whereas Clément has presumably not become the legal son of Laurent.

I also do not agree with the person (Mario Danneels? it is unclear to me) quoted in the article claiming that Clément would require the King and Government's future consent to become titled. That was once the general understanding, but after the Brussels appeals court in 2020 set the precedent of awarding a title to Delphine and her children without consulting the King and Government, I can imagine future judges doing the same (even if precedent is not officially binding in Belgium's civil law system).
And in Belgium male line and female line are treated the same. Astrid's children have the same titles and succession rights as her brother's kids. And Delphine's children have the same titles, just not the succession.

The difference indeed right now is that Delphine has legally been recognized in the courts. Clement has not.

For legal purposes and titles that is the difference. As for family acceptance etc, the big difference would be he was born out of wedlock true but he is Not the child of an adulterous affair. His father was not marred to Claire at the time. Hopefully his and Claire's children were aware of this though before the news hit.
 
Why did VTM planned an interview of Wendy and Clement at 9 pm ? Thanks to Marengo , I did not understand the bad Dutch of Clement . Prince Laurent did his PRIVATE acknowledgement at 15.30
 
His Dutch is fine, just a strong accent, which only shows the richness and versatility of our small language ;). VTM subtitled it online, maybe that is easier? Though I imagine a Walloon channel will broadcast and subtitle it in French soon?

Continued.

Wendy: the day I could not hide it any more, to the public, I asked the father± how do I do this? Being the child of a famous father and a famous mother is already bad enough. And then we decided to keep it between us.

Clément: yes, I think that is very good, that my mother didn't tell it. She didn't need to. I told her: it was not necessary!

News item from 2000: 'the Flemish showbizz has another mother-to-be. Wendy van Wanten is pregnant. She told that herself tonight at a party of her fanclub last night in the casino of Middelkerke. Wendy already is four months pregnant. She expects her child in the summer. Out of respect for her private life she asks not to search for the father. He needs to announce himself. And that mysterious announcement alone is enoguh to start speculations about the paternity.'

Now, Wendy: at that moment I thought it was the best way to say: look, I am pregnant but I don't want to give further explanations about it. But I could not assess, or I was too naive, that it would only lead to more noise. In hindsight it would have been better if I hadn't said anything. So... but look, I am here now to say it.

tv shows a clip of Clément's echo. They watch it together on a tablet.
Clément: did you ever show these images to him?
Wendy: Yes! He was fully involved during the pregnancy. Absolutely.
Clément; and what did he think?
Wendy: he thought it impressive, that a living creature was wiggling in the belly of a woman. he was very concerned about it. He... he looked at it, I showed him the images. And yes... it was something normal. But he was also busy with a lot of other things. But I felt interest and warmth until the end of my pregnancy. He was abroad.. and then he became a little bit aloof. Because he also didn't know how... how do we deal with all this?
Clément: it was a complicated situation.
Wendy: it was a complicated period. For him as well. He was also still searching in life. But at a certain moment I told him that it couldn't go on like this. Also not for him. He needed to build his life. He received a dotation, he would hve to get married... and I said, in full conviction: I am going to do this on my own.

Interviewer: did you feel hurt somehow? That you were thinking: I am going to be doing this alone?
Wendy: Yes, but I always knew that this [the relationship] would never get a sequel. And I never had that ambition, to put myself in the spotlights in that way. From love something beautiful started. So I did my duty as a mother and looked for support around me. And I received that support.

My manager also thought it was a miracle. Danny [Dewaele] immediately was there to help me and support me. I knew he would and that made me feel strong, that I was not alone. But of cours,e he was not the father. i don't know.... we didn't talk much about it, with Laurent, how the future would be.

Interviewer: did Laurent not find that strange? You lived together with a man. He was not your partner. Didn't he find it strange?
Wendy: yes, sometimes he found it strange that somebody else was living in my house, a man, who also was my manager, who lived as part of the family. But that was a different kind of relationship. i din't have the same relationship with him as I had with Danny. So I explained that to him. Danny always respected me and I knew I could always count on him and I would never leave him alone.

Gossip magazine from 2000 is shown, with the headline: Laurent: no comment.
Wendy: from the moment I announced that I was pregnant that question stayed [who is the father], even though I explicitely asked not to have to clarify it. I have tried to protect it, with my eternal sentense: no comment. But it was to protect my son.

Clément and Wendy look at a tablet with tabloids, this one in french, quoting wendy saying she expected a baby from Prince Laurent.
Wendy: those are not my words, I never said that. So many articles were written that at a certain point I didn't think of it anymore. Another article, in Dutch; Wendy; Look, here it also says 'Wendy: no comment'. I didn't participate in that. The press had a great treat with this all those years, due to the fact that I never said who the father was. That wasn't always easy for me. Because of course I had my emotions and I wanted the best for you. And we also both ahd the right not to comment about it.
Clément: yes of course, of course.
Wendy: I didn't really know what to do. I couldn;t do it right. If I had said it... and now I didn't say it ... but if I had said it, maybe ...
Clément: the fact is: you couldn't know.
Wendy: ... maybe I also couldn't continue my carreer.. and I needed a source of income so I needed to work, to raise you...
Clément: you were in a way caught between two fires. You were thinking about this and about that. And at one point you don't see a way out and then....
Wendy: but you aleviated all my pain. Laughs.
Clément, laughs: aaah.

Wendy: Clément was supposed to be born on August 1st, but he stayed there [laughs]. So yes, it took a long time. I had to walk a lot, so he would drop. But it was all suppsoed to be the natural way, giving birth under water... but he didn't want to come out! [laughs].

Video recording of pregnant Wendy and manager walking to a room in the hospital.
More clips from her private archive. Clément as he was just born.
Wendy: laughs: you were a lovely baby, no?
Clément unimpressed yeah... smiles.
Etc.
More baby images.

Clément: my first name, well that is also something special, Clément. The house of my father is named villa Clémentine. I don't know if that was done on purpose, you have to ask my mother, Smiles... but these are all these small things, that move together to one, if you understand what I mean.

Interviewer: did you agree on the name or did you pick it yourself?
Wendy: I chose the name, well because.. villa Clémentine, Clément... And he never made a problem out of it, he never said anything about it. So well...

Interviewer: would it have been easier if you had named him Jan or Pieter?
Wendy: Maybe yes....but that was due to the connection, because of the emotions, that it was an obvious name. I was looking for a name, and I didn't have to look far. [Laughs] And Clémentine I already thought a beautiful name for a girl, but then Clément I found beautiful too. And I looked it up, the meaning of the name is mild, good-natured, so it was a good choice.

Interviewer: did you tell Laurent anything [about the birth]?
Wendy: Yes, on the day [of birth] the 16th of August I called him and told him all went well and Clément was born. He said: I am happy all went well, but keep things very discreet. And that is what I did.

News item from 2000 about the birth, commenting on speculations with clips of what they claim was her bodyguard standing in front of her hospital room.
Clément: wow, that is shocking, you were there with a bodyguard...?
Wendy: no...but that was not true. That was Danny, he was my manager, my confidant, my friend.

Another newsclip of a few months later: a new song of Wendy, about the baby and calling it 'Prinsenkind' [princes child]. Between the lines the item suggests that Wendy chose the topic due to the press attention.

Wendy now: that was the thing, that they said I was the one planning all this and making a mystery out of it. And the logical follow-up for that, as I led my life as a singer, that i made a song about you. My small miracle. But actually it is a big miracle. Laughs

Show aricles about 'her' prinsenkind (princes child, expression in Dutch to show affectionally refer to a child, not used often in The Netherlands, not sure about Flanders).
Wendy: you an interpret it the way you want, but we all refer to our 'prinsenkind', our little prince or little princess. Of course I need to pay attention how all this...
Clément: he chuckles and smiles to his mother: if that is really the case you are not supposed to say it perhaps...
Wendy: well... that is true.But I don't know... if you have to wonder with each word that you can interpret it differently, than that is not living. And OK well, it can be linked. you are a princes child.

Clément: it is really weird to think about it, and I find it difficult to say about myself. I find that really difficult, i would never say that about myself. And now I still doubt if I am really that, you understand? I am really somebody who really is down to earth. If you are normal, I am normal too.

The start to watch a photo album together of his early years.
She shows a photo of him in his room as a baby: that is the furniture that I picked, together with your father.
Clément: I think it is special (strange) that nobody noticed that [picking furniture together]
Wendy: yes, it's ture, but well... in those days there were no mobile phones with cameras.

Photo of him as a baby
Clément: well... if I resemble you or my father at this stage, well that is difficult to say. I should see both your baby photos to compare.

Photo of the him as a baby with a christmas tree and an enormous teddy bear.
Clément: that one I recognise. He gave me that bear, no?
Wendy: exactly, and we still have it, no? But well, of course you did not know wwho gave it to you.
Clément: no, i didn't know.
Wendy; so in a way he was also there a little bit.
Clément sigh; yes.

More photos, baby Clément with a booklet
Clément: it was because of that that I received these books in French? To learn French.
Wendy laughs: yes, yes of course.
Clément: these are all dots that you are connecting now. Why, why in French?
Wendy start to examine if he still know the meaning of the words in French on the booklet, he does. they laugh together.
Clément: these are all things, even when they are so small, that you think, actually in a way he was always there. Even when I didn't notice.
Wendy appologetically: I tried to raise you bilingual, but my language is Dutch, so...it stayed at that.

More photos of him in a stroller, at villa Clementine.
Wendy: that was also at your father's home. You don't remember that probably?
Clément: I don't remember. And these other photos as well?
Wendy: yes, in the garden. ... Here, your first steps...
Clément: that probably means that he took these photos.
Wendy: yes, of course! That was a big moment, that you could walk.
More photos: also of Laurent [without baby] in a chair, same interior as baby photos.
Wendy: he loved doing that, making photos.
Clément: it is super weird, that I was there at that age.
Wendy: and that you don't remember it.
Clément: And that I don't remember, and that it all went passed me... and at one point it was ripped apart.
Wendy: yes well, well.... but that was a decision for...
Clément: yes, for a good thing...
Wendy: yes, for the both of us.
Clément: How was my father with me?
Wendy: well, he enjoyed it, he took photos, and he loved to see you. But more was not possible. He was busy building his life, going into a different direction. But it wasn't his intention... that he didn't want to see you.

Clément alone: you can't chose yourself as a baby when you are born. I think that every child wants to see his parents, to know: who put me on earth? Who gave me life?

teaser for next episode: clip of the Belgian RF in the early 90s, all members of the family in a garden, must be after Baudouins passing as he is not there. Jean and JC are.
Clément: it means my uncle is King of Belgium [for the title affectionados: I know it is 'of the Belgians']. Or to see your grandfather's face on the coin of 1 Euro. Well, those are things you get confronted with on a daily basis.
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At one point, I get a number pushed into my hands, and I am thinking.. this is really his number! This is really...! You understand?!
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Until at a moment that I was there, standing in front of a door. And I announced myself.. And who opened the door? My father!

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That is it for today, they left us with a great cliff hanger.
There will be another episode but I do not know when.

All in all, Laurent is lucky. It could have been much worse. Wendy has not said a negative word about him and speaks about him with warmth, respect and understanding, which is great for her son too. She seems honest and sincere for the most part and she [and her current partner] raised a nice kid. The son is mild and good-natured indeed, she can be proud of him. I hope they can make things work for them.
 
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Belgium is thus richer by one prince: His Royal Highness Clément, Prince of Belgium, Prince of Saxe-Coburg.

King Filip wanted to limit the granting of titles, but since Clément is a descendant in the male line of King Albert, the Royal Decree of 12 November 2015 applies.
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"I am always smart enough to say that I don't care about it. I've been doing that for 20 years," Clement explains. The confession turns out to be a genuine relief. "So that it no longer keeps haunting me," says Clement, for whom the entire father story "stirs up a lot of emotions." (VRT, 2021)
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For 25 years the rumor circulated, Prince Laurent now confirms: he is the father of a son with former model, singer, and TV personality Wendy Van Wanten.
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Clément does with his mother Wendy Van Wanten tonight story in first part of docu on VTM.
Wendy: "naive that I thought I could keep it quiet."
Clément: “She said: “your daddy is a prince.” If HE is a prince, what am I then? That means my uncle is the king of Belgium.”




He looks exactly like his father. I’m guessing he’ll get along well with his aunt Delphine, I hope he also receives a royal title.

So, if it started in 1995 and lasted for 7 years, that was until 2002 when Laurent and Claire had been dating for at least a year. I suppose that means it ended by the time Laurent and Claire got engaged?!
Wendy: it was a complicated period. For him as well. He was also still searching in life. But at a certain moment I told him that it couldn't go on like this. Also not for him. He needed to build his life. He received a dotation, he would hve to get married... and I said, in full conviction: I am going to do this on my own.
It appears to have ended before that.
 
It appears to have ended before that.
Well, both the 'we met in 1995' and 'we were in a relationship for 7 years' are according to Iris, so I can't make much else of it. The 'at a certain moment' was most likely some time after his birth (as she says that he was involved during the pregnancy). Probably by that time Laurent also had met Claire ("It was a complicated period. (...) He needed to build his life (...) he would have to get married"), so it made sense for both of them to discontinue their relationship.
 
I suppose she could refer to 'a' relationship in the last year, not necessarily in a romantic way. The first steps are 9-15 months afer birth, so as Laurent saw those they must have been in touch at the time.

Laurent had a messy life and I am sure he was messy with his relationships-romantic or not- too. But it was my impression too that they muddled on for a bit longer after the birth. Though it was far from a normal relationship and it could be they only met so he could see Clément. Wendy is not explicit about it. The way she talks about it she was almost mothering him. And perhaps Claire does the same now.

Perhaps the next episode will give more clarity as it is hinted that he disappeared from Clément's life soon afterwards 'to build his life' [with Claire I assume], which must have been somewhere in 2001 [August 2000 DOB + 9-15 months when he started walking, so at least until the 2nd half of 2001 they would have been in touch]. In Feb. 2002 Laurent already took Claire to a hotel in Amsterdam [Krasnapolsky on Dam square IIRC] when he was attending WA's wedding. Anyway, the next episode will probably reveal more.

Claire must have known at the time, all of Belgium knew, but she decided he was worth the difficulties and they seem to have formed a solid marriage with three lovely children. They seem devoted to him and he to them.

I would be curious to see if Wendy thinks Laurent was pressured to keep it quiet by the palace- I imagine she may. It may explain his alleged anger some claim to have seen since his father's aknowledgement of Delphine, which we discussed earlier up this thread. Instead of being angry at the raproachement he might have been angry that his father did what he was pressured not to do. Not unlike Charles, count of Flanders resentment towards his brother when he was forbidden to marry a Flemish commoner, while Leopold a few years later did.
 
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There have been illegitimate children in nearly every generation of the Belgian royal family:

- Leopold I had two.
- Leopold II had two.
- Albert I’s sons King Leopold III and Prince Charles each had an illegitimate daughter.
- Albert II had an illegitimate daughter.
- Prince Laurent had an illegitimate son.

Clément’s date of birth is 16 August.
 
Clement's face is as Coburg as it gets, the genes of the males in this family don't play :lol:
I am not surprised knowing how much Laurent got around when he was younger but at least I'm glad he didn't actually conceive his son after his marriage to Claire.
Hope they can work things out now.
Albert had 12 grandkids in 2020, he probably thought it was done and now he has 15.
 
I must admit that I was shocked at Laurent's reaction to his lover almost being carjacked outside his home(Villa Clèmentine).

He first denied all knowledge/responsibility and actually accused Wendy of trying to get publicity from the incident?? Not even a phone call to see if she was ok?😠

That would have been the end of the entire adventure for me.🙁

Marengo....a million THANK YOU'S!
 
At least this new one is a grandchild of him and Paola, hopefully he’ll be invited to some events like Delphine and her family.

LMAO Paola is probably like "WILL THE MEN OF THIS FAMILY EVER WEAR PROTECTION" :lol:
She probably has a bootcamp ready for Joachim, Gabriel, Emmanuel, Aymeric, Nicolas and even Oscar (just to be sure) about this :ROFLMAO:


Seeing this, is like looking at a young Laurent, even the same mannerisms, a very similar voice. :eek:

It's uncanny how genetics work in this specific family, those Coburg genes are SUPER strong, only Lorenz got his own over Astrid's in some of their kids because the Habsburg ones are very tough as well, the other partners of Albert's kids? NOT A CHANCE :lol:
 
Part two of the documentary will only be aired on thursday 18 September and will focus more on Clément's story [instead of on Wendy's].

I must admit that I was shocked at Laurent's reaction to his lover almost being carjacked outside his home(Villa Clèmentine).

He first denied all knowledge/responsibility and actually accused Wendy of trying to get publicity from the incident?? Not even a phone call to see if she was ok?😠

That would have been the end of the entire adventure for me.🙁

Who knows what he was told? or how the palace pressured him to deny.
The even more shocking part is that to this day Wendy is not sure if it was supposed to be a normal carjacking or that someone tried to warn her to stop seeing Laurent - people from the entourage perhaps. Carjackings are not very common in Belgium, and even less so in posh Tervuren one would think.

Interestingly, Mario Danneels biography of Paola was published in October 1999, with the revelation of Delphine's existance. So at the palace they were having two issues around the same time.

IIRC Albert broke off contact completely with Delphine in 2001. What the documentary suggests is that Laurent did the same in 2001, though we will hear more in the next episode.

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Wim de Smet, the documentary maker, works for VTM and knew Wendy for a long time, from other tv shows they did. They met again last year and went out for dinner. Wendy told him the story, telling it is something that weighs on her son, what can we do about it? I see my son has the need to lift that weight off his shoulders. After that talks started between De Smet and Clément.

Julie Colpaert, spokesperson for the television channel, said that Laurent received the opportunity to cooporate with the documentary but he decided against it, though he has been actively involved, in the sense that Clément was often in touch with his father. They often talk on the phone, and see eaach other in person and this topic was raised.

-> Why did he [Laurent] wait for such a long time to aknowledge his son?
Julie: he gave the momentum to Clément. He allowed Clément to make the decision, when and how. Clément wanted to do it in this manner. Laurent knew it would be broadcasted this week on VTM. Also in this there was full transparency between father and son. Clément told him: the documentary will be aired. Laurent said, such a documentary is not my thing, I want to release a statement instead. VTM and Clément knew Laurent would react this way.

Claire was aware of the situation and was there on the background during the phone calls between Laurent and Clément, says Colpaert.

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In HLN Mario Danneels says that a long time ago he was approached by Wendy for an interview about it all, but it was cancelled by her manager at the time. He adds that he thinks his birth led to great tensions in the palace and may be the cause of why it was hidden for such a long time.
Danneels: 'a courtier once confided in me that it led to great fights between Albert and Laurent'.




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VRT shows the official statement of the prince.

By this statement I aknowledge to be the biological father of Clément Vandenkerckhove. During the last years we have discussed this openly and honestly. This announcement is based on a feeling of respect and understanding for those involved. It is the result of mutual dialogue.

Laurent von Sachsen-Coburg

For the title affectionados: I have no idea why Laurent signs as SC or in the German way, perhaps to underline that for him it is a private issue.

 
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King Albert I of Belgium had Clement as one of his middle names.
He was Albert Leopold Clement Marie Meinrad.
Young Clement has the first name that was used as a middle name of a royal ancestor.
 
Prince Laurent acknowledges being the biological father of Clément, the 25-year-old son of Belgian singer Wendy Van Wanten.

Will Clément become a Prince of Belgium and an HRH then? Based on the precedent set for Delphine's children, he should if the courts find that Prince Laurent is his legal father.

Maybe Clément won't seek legal recognition anyway.
 
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First Laurent needs to aknowledge him in the register's office and be included on the birth certificate. At this point we do not know if Clément has that wish and wants Laurent to do that. And if Laurent does, we do not know if Clément will chose to keep his mother's and his own last name or prefers the one of Laurent. He has not said a word about it and we will only know more on September 18th, if he says anything about it at all. So at this point we can only guess.
 
This Affair should have remained private everybody knew about. Clement grew up by his Mother and her Partner he called Papa
A big big Affair for the press . Front page of all our newspapers.
Because of the interview of VTM the Prince had to reveal his paternity
.No word from the Royal Place ; Not easy for King Philippe his Father and now his Brother.
 
The King must have known this since 2000 as well so he had 25 years to get used to it. This is not his drama.
I doubt this reflects badly on him. Or even on Laurent. As Clément says, it is nothing to be ashamed about. Already in 2013 over half the children in Belgium were born out of wedlock. There is no need for them to behave as we are still living in 1925 and not in 2025.

The thing is the 'affair' was not private - not then and not now- Clément is asked about it all the time. It might have been easier had Wendy not been as famous, but she is and because of that people can connect the dots.

I can see why he wants to stop telling lies, it is the healthiest way to get through life. There is no reason why he needs to keep this secret. I can imagine it is a relief for him, for Wendy and also for the prince and if Claire is as sensible as she seems, also for her. There was no reason to hide this in the first place, they have done nothing wrong - but it seems it may have been Albert's demand, see posts above.

Interstingly Wendy once referred to the dotation being a consideration - which makes me wonder if Albert threatened to have it withdrawn if Laurent had owned up to it in public. As I said above, I find the hosility of Laurent towards his father - which seemed very immature- easier to understand now.

Albert kept on all the trusted advisors of Baudouin - all mostly francophone, old, from the elite and conservative. Although they will surely have been upright and well-intentioned men, I do wonder the advise he has recceived from them may have been outdated, hypocritical and better suited for several decades earlier. It agreveated both situations, caused pain and in the end only made the situation worse for all involved.

It is good the King [Philippe] has made a lot of changes at the court and clearly surrounds himself with very competent people with an antenna for what is going on in society now and are more in line with the value system people have today, where extramarital births are completely accepted and the tabboo on 'bastards' has disappeared completely from this part of the world.
 
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Docu is going through Wendy´s carreer and how she got her artistic name [which is a word pun in Dutch].

Thank you for transcribing the documentary for us non-speakers of Dutch. Could you explain the pun?

Wendy: it was a complicated period. For him as well. He was also still searching in life. But at a certain moment I told him that it couldn't go on like this. Also not for him. He needed to build his life. He received a dotation, he would hve to get married... and I said, in full conviction: I am going to do this on my own.

I am not sure I understand what she means by Laurent "having to" get married. And why was it so clear to them that a marriage between the two of them (Laurent and Wendy/Iris) was not an option?

Already in 2013 over half the children in Belgium were born out of wedlock.
[...] the value system people have today, where extramarital births are completely accepted and the tabboo on 'bastards' has disappeared completely from this part of the world.

That is true for the general population, but isn't the taboo still present among the nobility? Even today, out-of-wedlock children are banned from inheriting titles (with the unique exception of Delphine and her children), and most noblemen's children appear to be born in wedlock.
 
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