Beatrice and Edoardo: Wedding Suggestions and Musings Thread

[theroyalfly]

Some families from the deposed German royal family and nobility might attend too. It is to note that Cleo von Adelsheim, the current, Hereditary Princess of Oettingen-Oettingen and Oettingen-Spielberg and husband also attended both Prince Harry and Princess Eugenie's wedding and they are also good friends.

It will be a jam-packed wedding with the Italian and British nobility, the Greek royals and maybe some of the current and deposed royal families and some noble houses, the Hanoverians, Grimaldis and Bismarcks to name a few and some celebrities.

 

[Iluvbertie]

If there are to be Germans there I would expect those who are the most closely related to Beatrice - such as her father's first cousins and their descendants via Philip's sisters.

They often visit and stay with the royals at Sandringham for instance.

 

[Countessmeout]

If there are to be Germans there I would expect those who are the most closely related to Beatrice - such as her father's first cousins and their descendants via Philip's sisters.

They often visit and stay with the royals at Sandringham for instance.

Yes they often stay with the queen and her husband. The older generation are connected and have a relationship.

We didnt see any of the German relatives at Harry or Eugenie's wedding. I see no reason to think they'd be invited to Beatrice's either. Those who are invited will have some link to the couple.

Franz-Albrecht is an old hunting friend of Harry's, and knows the York girls it seems. He attended as a private friend of both Harry and Eugenie to their weddings. The York girls attended both of the Hannover weddings, including making the trip to Lima to attend Christian's religious wedding.


Her father's cousins are all much older then Andrew, those who are still alive (many have passed away). And there is really no connection to the bride but for blood.

William had a few German relatives but he also had a far more extensive list.

 

[Mirabel]

Come to think of it, even though it will not happen the potential for a very large and varied guest list might be the reason some book makers are suggesting the wedding will take place at Westminster Abbey.

Would a wedding at the Abbey really be an impossibility?
Even though Harry and her sister didn't have one, there doesn't seem to be any real reason Beatrice couldn't.

It might be a bit more disruptive, but not that much if they eliminate the carriage ride.

And a wedding at WA wouldn't seem like a rerun of her sister's.

 

[O-H Anglophile]

Would a wedding at the Abbey really be an impossibility?
Even though Harry and her sister didn't have one, there doesn't seem to be any real reason Beatrice couldn't.

It might be a bit more disruptive, but not that much if they eliminate the carriage ride.

And a wedding at WA wouldn't seem like a rerun of her sister's.

Security would cost much more in London than at Windsor.

Many people get married in the same church as their sister. Not a big deal.

It seems the BRF is reserving WA these days for weddings of direct heirs.

 

[Moonmaiden23]

Would a wedding at the Abbey really be an impossibility?
Even though Harry and her sister didn't have one, there doesn't seem to be any real reason Beatrice couldn't.

It might be a bit more disruptive, but not that much if they eliminate the carriage ride.

And a wedding at WA wouldn't seem like a rerun of her sister's.

As lovely as I find St. George's Windsor, I would be ecstatic if the wedding took place at Westminster Abbey.

But unless the families are willing to pay the added security costs out of their personal funds, I doubt it.

 

[sophie25]

If the wedding takes place at the Abbey I suppose we might also get a balcony appearance. It would be a bit OTT though for such a junior member of the family.

 

[Osipi]

Would a wedding at the Abbey really be an impossibility?
Even though Harry and her sister didn't have one, there doesn't seem to be any real reason Beatrice couldn't.

It might be a bit more disruptive, but not that much if they eliminate the carriage ride.

And a wedding at WA wouldn't seem like a rerun of her sister's.

Its not out of being a possibility for this upcoming wedding. What matters though is what the Queen decides.

In this kind of a decision, its a matter of the Queen acting in both of her roles as Granny and as a monarch and the Supreme Governor of the Church of England as Westminster Abbey is a royal peculiar just at St. George's is in Windsor. It would be her decision on either venue.

If Beatrice is dead set (or Andrew even) on Westminster Abbey, it kind of puts HM between a rock and hard place making a decision. We saw that with the possibility of Andrew requesting WA for Eugenie. It was actually a valid request and the Queen acted as she saw was the right move. I don't see her doing differently for Beatrice. Its not a wedding of a working senior royal for the "Firm" and actually Beatrice is more or less, a princess of the blood with a private life. That description does not require any part of the monarchy to recognize and celebrate. The Princess Royal's children weddings are a good example.

Perhaps its all been planned long ago in the respect that in the future, the monarchy itself will be slimmed down and the huge, grandiose weddings that will be lauded and televised will relate only to the heirs apparent and their family. There's been rumors y'know.

It still stands that various venues are "royal prerogatives" and in that way of taking HM's role in it tells me that it will be she that determines the right and wrong of where Beatrice's wedding will take place (in respect to WA vs. St. George Chapel at Windsor) and up to her. I don't see Beatrice demanding a venue from the Queen. St. Paul's was decided on for Charles and Diana solely because of the room needed for a full state wedding of the heir to the throne. None of this applies to Beatrice on the monarchical level and actually makes it easier to say "no" and explain why. ?

 

[Pranter]

If you go by Andrew's interview when he said the Queen decided for Eugenie's wedding venue then we can pretty much bet Beatrice will marry at St Georges ....highly doubtful she would marry at W.A.


LaRae

 

[Jacknch]

A low-key wedding at Westminster Abbey could be quite easily achieved without the expectation of it being a full-blown processional event. Many events have taken place over the years at the Abbey with the Royal Family in attendance (such as commemorative services etc) without a processional route from and back to Buckingham Palace.

Maybe Westminster Abbey is to be reserved only for direct heirs to the throne (so the next one there will be Prince George's wedding) and everyone else from Princess Charlotte down may marry in St George's. If that is the case, then of course it explains why Harry and Meghan married at St George's.

But then possibly there is also a question of personal taste - I am quite sure that if Beatrice and Edoardo really loved Westminster Abbey as a venue and had a particular fondness for it, Her Majesty would agree for them to be married there. Much like Lord Frederik Windsor preferred to be married at Hampton Court, whilst Lady Gabriella preferred St George's Chapel.

Remember that back in the day when Charles and Diana married, St Paul's was chosen because Charles preferred it's acoustics and wanted the music to be a focus of the event. Westminster Abbey was not a set-in-stone venue for the heir.

I believe the decision on venue is rather more fluid that we think. But I concede that St George's Chapel is more likely than my favourite choice of venue of York Minster.

 

[Moonmaiden23]

Even though Beatrice lives at St James Palace, I do think that the Chapel Royal is too small to accommodate all the people that the couple will want to/have to/need to invite.

Anyway I wish they'd tell us already!

 

[rob2008]

I wonder if Prince Philip will attend.

 

[Mirabel]

A low-key wedding at Westminster Abbey could be quite easily achieved without the expectation of it being a full-blown processional event. Many events have taken place over the years at the Abbey with the Royal Family in attendance (such as commemorative services etc) without a processional route from and back to Buckingham Palace.

That's what I thought- eliminate the procession of carriages, have everyone arrive by car or shuttle, and costs really wouldn't be much different.
Security would be similar to other events at the Abbey that are attended by the BRF.

 

[Fijiro]

I wonder if Prince Philip will attend.

I hope he does.

 

[Heavs]

I assume that if the wedding is held in the UK and Prince Phillip is well, he will attend. He attended her sister's.

I wouldn't mind if they really wanted to get married in the Abbey but I think it would still be highly controversial in the press what with the scandal surrounding Andrew and worries about austerity under Brexit or even if Brexit doesn't happen etc.

There are a lot of ways to make it cheaper and smaller but for Eugenie's it's clear the Yorks didn't want small. Bea might be a different matter but I think if they had the Abbey, they'd want to go big.

 

[Kataryn]

I assume that if the wedding is held in the UK and Prince Phillip is well, he will attend. He attended her sister's.

I wouldn't mind if they really wanted to get married in the Abbey but I think it would still be highly controversial in the press what with the scandal surrounding Andrew and worries about austerity under Brexit or even if Brexit doesn't happen etc.

There are a lot of ways to make it cheaper and smaller but for Eugenie's it's clear the Yorks didn't want small. Bea might be a different matter but I think if they had the Abbey, they'd want to go big.

One should not forget that the Yorks have no family home in London, but a rather large one near Windsor Castle. So on imagining that Sarah wants to be the main organisator of the wedding along with Beatrice, St. George's chapel is a much more likely venue than any in London. And I don't see Bea as placed so close to the throne that she has to marry in the capital, rather a little bit smaller at the family seat Windsor Castle/Royal Lodge with maybe Frogmore thrown in so this venue gets a bit more usage. But please, Bea, no open carriage ride through Windsor town...

 

[Osipi]

Its Colonel Mustard, in the library with the candlestick.

OOPs. Sorry. Wrong speculation.

 

[duchesschicana]

Beatrice was at Amedeo of Belgium's wedding in Italy. He also attended the masked Ball at Windsor to mark her 18th birthday. I would be very surprised if he and his wife are not invited to her wedding.

Pavlos and Marie Chantal of Greece attended Eugenie's wedding with at least one of their children. They will probably be at Beatrice's nuptials.

Let's not even get started on the Mapelli-Mozzi, with their familial and friendship ties to
Italian and British high society.

Come to think of it, even though it will not happen the potential for a very large and varied guest list might be the reason some book makers are suggesting the wedding will take place at Westminster Abbey.

Agreed, Queen Reina and her family could attend as well she has vacationed with her son and attended Salma's graduation at Sandhurst, she seems on friendly terms with them. Not to mention some ambassadors, etc. lt will be a luxerious- big wedding either way. I thnk it all be more private as they didnt do an interview and what not. So I dont think it will be on tv still holding out hope for a live stream.

 

[HighGoalHighDreams]

In a world where we can be sure of few things, that Beatrice will not be getting married in Westminster Abbey is one of them.

This will surely be a stunning wedding and I am very excited for Beatrice.

 

[Moonmaiden23]

I wonder if Prince Philip will attend.

Well, he attended Eugenie's. I think if he is healthy and able to do so he will attend Beatrice's as well.

I am more curious as to whether the Duchess of Cornwall will not attend due to another "longstanding commitment"....like the opening of some dairy farm somewhere

ETA: If I don't get to see this wedding on TV on live stream I will have a FIT.

 

[An Ard Ri]

Would St Margarets Church at Wesminster be in the running,as in the past it was the venue for Lord Mountbatten and Edwina Ashley, Sir Winston Churchill and Clementine Churchill and David Armstrong-Jones and Serena Stanhope non royal Weddings .

 

[Moonmaiden23]

You read my mind....I have been wondering about St. Margaret's Westminster too.

It has hosted quite a few noble/aristocrat weddings.

Diana Princess of Wales's parents married there and I think Ronald Ferguson(father of Sarah) and his wife did as well.

No slap on St. George's...which is divine...but after three straight weddings there I want a change of scene.

 

[Jacknch]

Yes, it's been mentioned before and I can't think why it wouldn't be in the running. Really, I think it all depends on whether they want a London wedding or not.

 

[Heavs]

St. Margaret's is gorgeous, I've been to a couple of services there. It's got a very interesting history and I don't think it's currently a Royal Peculiar like WA but it's under the authority of the Dean of Westminster and no longer a parish.

If they wanted a London wedding, that might be a venue. Hard to escape the "junior Royal Wedding" feel when right next to the Abbey your parents and cousin got married in though, if that bothers them. I think it would bother Andrew anyway. It has hosted a lot of big society weddings but it also has a name as the House of Commons church.

 

[CyrilVladisla]

Could the Archbishop of York be chosen to perform the marriage service of Edoardo and Princess Beatrice?

 

[Iluvbertie]

The Archbishop of York was involved in Eugenie's wedding so I would expect him to do something similar at Eugenie's even if he didn't conduct that actual marriage ceremony itself.

I am wondering whether they are going to go for something quite small and intimate rather than big.

They could have the small intimate ceremony, say in the private chapel at Windsor, or even at Sandringham while the Queen is there, with just immediate family present and the have the 800+ people at the reception later.

I am just getting some vibes - of a smaller wedding.

 

[JR76]

Victoria wore black though and a widow's cap and veil for the last forty years of her life. Not very cheerful for a wedding or appropriate with Prince Philip still around.

And, strictly speaking, Victoria didn't wear a crinoline for her wedding in 1840. They didn't come into fashion in England until around 1857. There were crinolines at her eldest son's wedding but that was at St Georges Chapel. More room!

My mistake. What would you call the skirts worn at Queen Victoria's wedding - full skirts?
Given that the ladies will be in dresses, coats and hats at Beatrice's wedding the biggest problem will be to fit in the hats and not the dresses.

 

[Countessmeout]

Could the Archbishop of York be chosen to perform the marriage service of Edoardo and Princess Beatrice?

Yes, Eugenie did. Like her sister, she could choose to have the Archbishop involved (he wrote a special prayer for Eugenie) due to their father's title.

If they are married at St George's, would be customary for the Dean of Windsor to be involved in the ceremony. But certainly he would be accompanied usually. Harry and Meghan had both the American bishop, and Archbishop of Canterbury. Eugenie had the Dean and Archbishop of York.

Edward chose to have the Bishop of Norwich perform his wedding. The bishop is head of the diocese Sandringham is in. Edward had a personal bond with the man and with the blessing of the Archbishop, the bishop performed theirs.


St Margaret's is lovely but I have my doubts about London. One thing would be it would cause an issue for a reception. I dont see the queen hosting more then a lunch reception for the couple as she did for Eugenie. That leaves a question of where they would host the evening party which they are sure to have. The bonus of St George's is that they are close to Royal Lodge for Andrew to host the evening as he did Eugenie.

I highly doubt they will have a 'family only' ceremony in the private chapel, followed by a big reception. This couple doesnt seem the type.

 

[Mirabel]

St Margaret's is lovely but I have my doubts about London. One thing would be it would cause an issue for a reception. I dont see the queen hosting more then a lunch reception for the couple as she did for Eugenie. That leaves a question of where they would host the evening party which they are sure to have. The bonus of St George's is that they are close to Royal Lodge for Andrew to host the evening as he did Eugenie.

If I remember accurately, after the Queen hosted the lunch for Wiliam and Kate. Charles then hosted the evening party at BP.
Couldn't Andrew do the same?

 

[Stefan]

You read my mind....I have been wondering about St. Margaret's Westminster too.

It has hosted quite a few noble/aristocrat weddings.

Diana Princess of Wales's parents married there and I think Ronald Ferguson(father of Sarah) and his wife did as well.

Actually Diana's parents marrid at Westminstr Abbey but then Viscount Linley marred at St. Margarets in 1993.

St Margaret's is lovely but I have my doubts about London. One thing would be it would cause an issue for a reception. I dont see the queen hosting more then a lunch reception for the couple as she did for Eugenie. That leaves a question of where they would host the evening party which they are sure to have. The bonus of St George's is that they are close to Royal Lodge for Andrew to host the evening as he did Eugenie.

But they could still have an evening reception at Roal Lodge in the evening as it is not so far from London. I rememer when the Queen and DoE celbrated their golden Wedding anniversary there ws also a Ball in the evening at Windsor Castle and the Service of Thanksging during the day took place at Westminster Abbey.