2017-2021 Lawsuit Between Members of the Royal Family

[Ghost]

The fact that it was stated in a legal case that at the time of the late king decision to remove his grandson from the line of succession, he was having Alzheimer and not sound of mind is just a gift for Nicholas to reclaim his title and position as head of the royal house after his aunt and mother!

But am also curious about the properties they reclaimed from the state, the two castles, does Romania has the napoleon code where a parent can’t disinherit one of his kids?

Yes, it does.

 

[Ghost]

We have to remember what a nightmare it was and is the ilegitimate offspring of Carol II.

I like Nicolae and his family better than the main branch, but I can imagine that Mihai was still reeling from everything lost to Paul.

 

[Somebody]

I agree, while having a child out of wedlock is not the best thing for a future head of the royal house, they make him seems like the devil!

While actually having a child out of wedlock is the most Royal thing, almost all the most revered monarchs in history had children out of wedlock!

The catholic Duke of Parma has a son with his previous girlfriend, and the late Duke of Aosta had a daughter out of wedlock!

I can’t imagine what they would say if he did a Grimaldi!

The problem was not just him having a child out of wedlock (which knowing the Romanian history is a sensitive topic in itself) but also him refusing to take any responsibility for the child. His mother was always very explicit in referring to his eldest daughter as one of her grandchildren, while Nicholas kept pretending he wasn't the father until he was forced to acknowledge her in court.

 

[duke of poliganc]

The problem was not just him having a child out of wedlock (which knowing the Romanian history is a sensitive topic in itself) but also him refusing to take any responsibility for the child. His mother was always very explicit in referring to his eldest daughter as one of her grandchildren, while Nicholas kept pretending he wasn't the father until he was forced to acknowledge her in court.

I guess that would be sensitive but not out of the ordinary, the late Duke of Aosta refused to claim his out of wedlock daughter who is a special needs person until the court obliged him to do so!

 

[Lori138]

Someone asked about Nicolae's sister Elisabeta (known as Karina). I read a while ago that she was actually next in line after her mother but wasn't interested and would pass on her rights to her older brother. It is likely that Margarita will find a way for her not to do this. I am really not so sure what all the dislike is for Nicolae. Even his own mother harbors grudges against him. An out of wedlock child is not an insurmountable 'sin'. I feel there is more to this story and my guess is Margarita's jealousy of how close Nicolae was to his grandparents and the fact that he is very popular in Romania.

 

[Toledo]

Someone asked about Nicolae's sister Elisabeta (known as Karina). I read a while ago that she was actually next in line after her mother but wasn't interested and would pass on her rights to her older brother. It is likely that Margarita will find a way for her not to do this. I am really not so sure what all the dislike is for Nicolae. Even his own mother harbors grudges against him. An out of wedlock child is not an insurmountable 'sin'. I feel there is more to this story and my guess is Margarita's jealousy of how close Nicolae was to his grandparents and the fact that he is very popular in Romania.

I assume there's more to the Nicola's family saga that occurred in close doors and just with family present. Whatever happened turned into an intense resentment toward him at that time to a point neither his aunt nor his own mother can shake it out of their system.

Maybe he got carried away with creative insults that turned into emotional scars? I mean, they are in Rumania, did he told aunt Margareta that her spouse looks like a Transylvanian vampire? Did he called his mom a werewolf?

Who knows what happened or came out of Nicolas' mouth at that specific moment of the argument. I'm voting for that a vampire themed insult was the tipping point that made all hell break loose years ago.

Let's hope they all come to terms that family is forever, except for that other crazy cousin Margareta has making scandals on the news. The House of Romania needs the Transylvania Peace Treaty sooner than later

 

[Archduchess Zelia]

Deeply misleading to play the disinheritance off as "Nicholas just having a child out of wedlock" when in reality Nicholas only took (legal) responsibility of his firstborn when he was explicitly asked by the court to do so and to the best of our knowledge has no contact with his daughter to this day.

King Michael was a deeply conscientious man so I have no doubt he found Nicholas' behaviour appalling on a personal level (seeing his great-granddaughter treated like that) but certainly also on a "professional" level. When you – at the very minimum – can't even assume responsibility for your own actions, how on earth can you be trusted to rationally assume leadership of your house? Actually, disinheriting Nicholas for being unreliable was very much in line with the kind of honesty and righteousness, King Michael always operated with and Nicholas attempting to contest this is simply laughable.

 

[Benjamin]

It is important to recall that the only reason that the public knows that King Michael was suffering from cognitive impairment and Alzheimer's disease when he died is due to Crown Princess Margarita suing her nephew, which led to a more complete picture of the king's health condition being admitted to the court through some kind of discovery. Otherwise, that fact would have never been established; the only diagnosis that the Royal Household announced was cancer. If the king was suffering from those diseases in 2017, then it is likely he was dealing with them for some time beforehand.

Deeply misleading to play the disinheritance off as "Nicholas just having a child out of wedlock" when in reality Nicholas only took (legal) responsibility of his firstborn when he was explicitly asked by the court to do so and to the best of our knowledge has no contact with his daughter to this day.

King Michael was a deeply conscientious man so I have no doubt he found Nicholas' behaviour appalling on a personal level (seeing his great-granddaughter treated like that) but certainly also on a "professional" level. When you – at the very minimum – can't even assume responsibility for your own actions, how on earth can you be trusted to rationally assume leadership of your house? Actually, disinheriting Nicholas for being unreliable was very much in line with the kind of honesty and righteousness, King Michael always operated with and Nicholas attempting to contest this is simply laughable.

I agree with you that it is misleading for people to assume that Nicholas was disinherited because he had a daughter, Iris, with Nicoleta Cîrjan out of wedlock. However, it is misleading because the child was conceived in May 2015. The reports of the time stated that Nicholas informed Margarita and Radu of the situation whenever he learned Nicoleta was pregnant - which according to Nicoleta’s recollections was in July 2015. Apparently, Nicholas and Radu were already not getting along well. Nicholas had moved out of Elisabeta Palace to his own flat by then. This affair did not sit well with Margarita and Radu when they were told of it. Nicholas was disinherited “by his grandfather” on 10 August 2015. His daughter Iris was born in February 2016. The pregnancy was probably just the nail that was needed to close Nicholas' metaphorical coffin in the eyes of his aunt and uncle.

Further, Nicholas did not recognize his daughter Iris after he was ordered by a court to do so. He took that step after a DNA test was conducted; this test had been requested by Nicholas, presumably at the advice of legal counsel, and then there was a lengthy back and forth between Nicholas and Nicoleta about where the test would take place. This led to the delay of Iris’s official recognition until 2019. It is worth nothing that when she was interviewed in October 2016, Nicoleta had this to say about Nicholas: "He is a warm man who cares about those around him.” It is inaccurate for people to assume that Nicholas has no contact with his first child, because he does. Although it is a private matter, and if any of the parties involved ever read this then I hope they will forgive me for writing this, I feel compelled to confirm that he does have contact with her and that he does provide for her. I will not go into further details about that, as there is much more to that story. Although, based on my knowledge, I will affirm that Nicholas’s first daughter has had much more contact with her paternal family than Nicholas's two children with his wife Alina, and that has been a clear choice by Crown Princess Margarita and Princess Helen.

It is interesting that so much has been made public by Casa Regala to try and damage the reputation of one of their family members, who was dedicated to their role and still remains popular. The same institution has done so much to bury the actual past of some current “working” members. If members of this forum feel an inclination to quickly judge Nicholas, then they might be also interested in the nature of the first marriage of Radu Duda to Viorica Tanta Begnescu and what that indicates about the personality of the current Prince Consort of Romania.

Lastly, it was clear by March 2016 that King Michael and Queen Anne of Romania were both in ill health. At this point, one of the couple's grandchildren took to a public forum [this forum, in fact] to comment on the issues that were faced by family members who were not in favour with the Custodian of the Crown and her consort. Angelica de Roumanie Kreuger, the only daughter of Princess Irina of Romania, wrote: "I'm sure as long as his grandchildren from Irina are allowed to visit they will. I know the king has meet [sic] his first great-grand child but so far no others." The same day, Angelica left the following insightful comment: "I'm sure if the royal family was more family oriented then the family would be closer." When I posited that Queen Anne seemed to have been the unifying force trying to keep the family together, her granddaughter replied: "Yes, unfortunately the daughters didn't get along for many years. Just sad that it made the grandchildren so distant. Hopefully the family will find a way to keep together for the next generation." These comments from Angelica Kreuger made it clear that a number of the family members of King Michael and Queen Anne were kept from seeing their loved ones.

 

[An Ard Ri]

The more I read the less and less respect I have for Margarita and Radu and what they put Nicholas through.
His mother too should hang her head in shame.

 

[maria-olivia]

When he was Prince of Roumania Nicholas did not act as an adult , and some made profit on it.

 

[An Ard Ri]

When he was Prince of Roumania Nicholas did not act as an adult , and some made profit on it.

There were lots of rumours swirling around about Nicholas a decade ago and most of them were not true and now sounds like there was an orchestrated campaign against him .

 

[Benjamin]

There were lots of rumours swirling around about Nicholas a decade ago and most of them were not true and now sounds like there was an orchestrated campaign against him .

There were a few articles in the Romanian press at the time [2015-2016] which did indicate that there was an orchestrated smear campaign from Elisabeta Palace aimed at harming / defaming the reputation of Nicholas. The one saving grace is that King Michael and Queen Anne would have been unaware of this, due to their health.

 

[tommy100]

I don't get who benefits from smearing Nicholas? Yes in the short term Crown Princess Margarita as he seemed more popular than her but surely she is clever enough to see that he was the only real future the former Royal House had? Throwing him to the wolves helps her popularity in the short term but not the continuation of her family's line.

 

[An Ard Ri]

I really hope poor Nicholas has a better relationship with his sister Elisabeta compared to his mother and aunt.

 

[Toledo]

I really hope poor Nicholas has a better relationship with his sister Elisabeta compared to his mother and aunt.

I just posted something on the other thread about the message Margareta published about the recent elections in Romania.

After I come in here and checked out your post what came to my mind was to imagine, just imagine, if the new government decided to restore the traditional monarchy and they hand picked Nicola to be king, over the Custodian of the Crown to be queen, because of her criticism on that message!

 

[Ghost]

I really hope poor Nicholas has a better relationship with his sister Elisabeta compared to his mother and aunt.

She’s godmother to the little boy, I presume they are in good relations.

 

[An Ard Ri]

She’s godmother to the little boy, I presume they are in good relations.

Hopefully that's the case and he has at least one family member on his side.