The Duke & Duchess of Sussex and Family, News and Events 4: April-June 2021

[Denville]

but also, its so clear that they can't be trusted. Harry came back for a couple of days, and now he is off on talking to Oprah and on a podcast, saying even more damning things.

 

[Betsypaige]

... And claim it a funny way to reconcile with his family.


Anyway, what surprises me is the way posters here speak of the RF's love and concern for Archie and his future sister, while ignoring the lack of love and concern for the children of various ages in the RF that Harry has demonstrated.

He’ll just say that it’s a parody, not meant seriously, the same way he accepts the Crown’s portrayal of his father because it’s fictionalized.

Camilla Tominey is spot on - but I could do without her insulting Americans.

By continuing to stoke the flames of publicity with his smug, self-pitying and at times, spiteful rhetoric, Harry shows he has actually learned nothing from his mother’s experience.

For in trying to emulate her doe-eyed confessionals to speak his “truth”, he is repeating her mistake of squandering popularity for the sake of evening the score. While there’s no doubting Harry’s noble intentions in wanting to raise awareness of mental health issues – let’s make no mistake here, like Diana deciding to air her dirty linen on the BBC, this is a man out for vengeance.

With his team of officious LA-based PRs and unwillingness to appear on any platform that actually offers a right of reply to the people he trashes, he’s hypocritically playing his own, one-sided games.

Exactly like his mother at her lowest ebb, Harry seems to think the world is out to get him.

Yet far from it being personal, there is a word for what has happened to him over the years. It’s called “life”.

William is quietly winning the battle of the royal brothers

Their responses to Bashir revelations are as different as they are as people, but we knew they would be

www.telegraph.co.uk

 

[Heavs]

Nobody in this family has privacy.

The thing is *they do* when you think about it. The UK media has agreed not to publish pictures of royal children or working royals on their own private time. We know Kate goes out and about with the kids and they're rarely papped. We (royal watchers but not general public) know William has a football game set up but no pics or details. The Cambridges have managed to carve out a life in Norfolk that's extremely private. We don't see any of the other royals out and about. We do hear about bad behaviour or if something goes wrong but Edward and Sophie could be hosting huge parties every weekend (in non covid times) and we'd probably never hear about it. Harry and Meghan were rarely papped in the UK. And as the years went on there would be even less press interest and they could do what they liked.

In contrast they claim to have security breaches all the time in LA and have sold their privacy down the drain to a media Harry claims to hate and blame for his mother's death. That must be soul destroying. He's giving the tabloids, SM commenters and the world a much deeper look into his (IMHO unappealing right now) psyche than they ever got when ELF was in charge of his PR and the palace covered up the worst of his drug addiction and he was required to visit people for a few hours occasionally.

 

[Somebody]

I believe Harry is in contact with the Queen. I'm sure she understands his pain and accepts his new life. Harry seems to be disappointed in and distant from Charles.

Weird how perspectives can differ so much: I am sure that the queen is deeply disappointed by his actions. As it goes against everything she lives for (as did her beloved husband) and has dedicated her whole life to. Add to that his betrayal of 'upholding the values of the queen' which they promised to do when the arrangements were made in their separation of the royal family. And she might even feel that they 'tricked' her into giving Harry a peerage as it is becoming clear that the two of them were already planning an escape from the family before their marriage (as Harry said himself in the interview with Oprah) while communicating that they wanted to 'hit the ground running'.

So, while she has no choice than to 'accept', I don't think she understands why he is lashing out and willfully is misrepresenting her family and his life. I do think she feels very sorry for him that he is in such a bad place currently as will his father, brother and other close family members who care deeply about him but are hurt by all that he is sharing with the world. They will surely recognize that he is following the example of his mother (at her worst times) while he is at the same time speaking out against her being manipulated in doing so.

 

[Betsypaige]

I think it is very important to distinguish between the family fold and the firm fold. I am sure he would love Harry to return to the family fold (if H and M could be trusted) but imho it would be very unwise to allow them to return to the firm fold.

I agree...I think Charles is thinking family fold, because that’s the most important one

 

[Hallo girl]

I just do not believe Harry cares about any of that now. He seems to have accepted his fate and is willing to live with the consequences. He has a family of his own and they are his primary focus. He knows he's not popular in Britain and he also knows how his wife was treated. There is no love lost. The RF has many members who are available to take part in those events. The Queen will be fine.

It isn't that he is no longer popular, IMO it is more that people are fed up with his moans.

Nobody had a problem with them leaving to make a new life for themselves, but they have spent their whole time giving interviews and statements, knocking everything in the UK.
He appears to be now saying that he didnt want to meet the public, yet on this forum posters commented how more people turned out to see them than any other family member. Is that not a slap in the face for all those that came out to see them, all those tax payers that paid for the security. Do you recall the wedding day, all that went on that week was amazing, but it now appears they did not want a fuss like that.

He is in control of his own fate, and there is more to it than just plenty family members to pick up the duties, he is trying to destroy a family and an institution that his grandmother heads.

I wish somebody would ask him if he would have been doing all the interviews if his father had gave him the money and agreed to pay for the security, I would love to know the answer to that question. But until he is interviewed by a serious journalist we have no chance of knowing.

I would also like to comment that he does not look like a happy fulfilled person,

 

[Alison H]

I saw a counsellor for a while. I was told that, as well as the obvious fact that they have professional training, it's advisable to speak to a counsellor because you feel inhibited when talking to loved ones - because you don't want to hurt them. But it seems that Harry wants to hurt his family as much as possible. Why?




I'm sure the Queen understands that Harry felt that royal life was not for him and that he wanted to start a new life somewhere else, but I doubt that she understands why he's telling lies about Archie's style and title, claiming that the Royal Family are uncaring and abusive and racist, and saying that she and Philip were bad parents, when all she's done is reiterate that he's a much loved member of the family. Does anyone understand that?

 

[Denville]

The thing is *they do* when you think about it. The UK media has agreed not to publish pictures of royal children or working royals on their own private time. We know Kate goes out and about with the kids and they're rarely papped.

In contrast they claim to have security breaches all the time in LA and have sold their privacy down the drain to a media Harry claims to hate and blame for his mother's death. That must be soul destroying. He's giving the tabloids, SM commenters and the world a much deeper look into his (IMHO unappealing right now) psyche than they ever got when ELF was in charge of his PR and the palace covered up the worst of his drug addiction and he was required to visit people for a few hours occasionally.

That's true. They had security in the UK at Frogmore, that didn't cost so much and a lot of the time when they weren't working one didn't see them. Now they are pushing themselves onto TV and the Net and talking about things that no royal reporter would dare to ask them....

 

[Erin9]

Correct me if I am wrong but I haven't seen anything that indicates that Harry is angry with William. He describes their relationship as "space" (whatever that means) and being on "different paths." I think he wants William to treat him as an equal partner but Harry's anger is directed at his father.

Who is he blaming for being cold, unfeeling and neglectful when Meghan was supposedly suicidal? He seemed to blame “family.” I gather that is more than just Charles.

Although- that narrative seems to have changed. In Oprah 1- they were unaware because Harry didn’t tell them. In Oprah 2- they knew, but didn’t care. Unless I’m missing something.

 

[Heavs]

This is a video just 8 months ago of Harry talking about his Nepal trip. Seems to have changed his tune since even then.

And he seemed to understand how important it was to meet the Gurkhas at the time:

I know royal tours are exhausting and often fraught but I think he's looking back with something different now than he was *then* even if his mental health wasn't good in March 2016.

If nothing else he's being incredibly short-sighted and stupid for telling the world over and over now that he hated service (and again he went there to celebrate the Gurkha 200 and to bring attention to a devastated country because of his personal connections to them). He and Meghan are desperate to be taken seriously as humanitarians.

 

[Moran]

Weird how perspectives can differ so much: I am sure that the queen is deeply disappointed by his actions. As it goes against everything she lives for (as did her beloved husband) and has dedicated her whole life to. Add to that his betrayal of 'upholding the values of the queen' which they promised to do when the arrangements were made in their separation of the royal family. And she might even feel that they 'tricked' her into giving Harry a peerage as it is becoming clear that the two of them were already planning an escape from the family before their marriage (as Harry said himself in the interview with Oprah) while communicating that they wanted to 'hit the ground running'.

So, while she has no choice than to 'accept', I don't think she understands why he is lashing out and willfully is misrepresenting her family and his life. I do think she feels very sorry for him that he is in such a bad place currently as will his father, brother and other close family members who care deeply about him but are hurt by all that he is sharing with the world. They will surely recognize that he is following the example of his mother while he is at the same time speaking out against her being manipulated in doing so.

Isn't it horrible that a 95-year old woman who has just lost her husband is expected to be the understanding one to a pampered young man's pain? Just how much is HM expected to give and Harry to take? When is Harry ever going to understand *her* pain? His father's? His brother's? It doesn't take a mental giant to see the pictures of about a month ago and realize that these people are in pain. Perhaps showing *some* sensitivity in delaying his latest barrage of shots could be expected but honestly, I didn't expect it from Harry since time is precious to him. They only have a limited window to capitalize on their relationship with the RF. Soon, it's all going to be about Bea's baby, who Lady Louise is dating and so on. And then, it's going to be George and his siblings growing up. Then, Harry and Meghan will have more privacy than they ever wished for because they'll be older and less interesting. But they'll have less recognizability and means to live in the lifestyle they've become accustomed to as well.

 

[Hallo girl]

This is a video just 8 months ago of Harry talking about his Nepal trip. Seems to have changed his tune since even then.

And he seemed to understand how important it was to meet the Gurkhas at the time:

I know royal tours are exhausting and often fraught but I think he's looking back with something different now than he was *then* even if his mental health wasn't good in March 2016.

If nothing else he's being incredibly short-sighted and stupid for telling the world over and over now that he hated service (and again he went there to celebrate the Gurkha 200 and to bring attention to a devastated country because of his personal connections to them). He and Meghan are desperate to be taken seriously as humanitarians.

The Gurkhas were his security in Afghanistan.

 

[Erin9]

Anyway, what surprises me is the way posters here speak of the RF's love and concern for Archie and his future sister, while ignoring the lack of love and concern for the children of various ages in the RF that Harry has demonstrated.

You’re right. He’s showing callous disregard for the adults AND the children by going public. James and Louise are absolutely old enough to understand EXACTLY what Harry is saying. Peter’s girls probably are too. Everyone’s kids, in time, will have access to Harry and Meghan’s narrative. Including Harry’s.

I shake my head thinking about Harry saying publicly that the only reason Meghan didn’t commit suicide while pregnant was out of concern for him having lost his mother. I’m speechless. Archie will have access to that information someday.

 

[TLLK]

Who is he blaming for being cold, unfeeling and neglectful when Meghan was supposedly suicidal? He seemed to blame “family.” I gather that is more than just Charles.

Although- that narrative seems to have changed. In Oprah 1- they were unaware because Harry didn’t tell them. In Oprah 2- they knew, but didn’t care. Unless I’m missing something.

That's the way that I understand it. There are a considerable number of contradictions from what the Sussexes have said in the past and to what they're saying now.

 

[Curryong]

A look at the recent Harry interviews on GMB.

And I would just like to ask a question. Does it appear, from what we now know about how Diana’s death affected Harry (and his brother) who quite obviously were devastated, that any senior royal thought that these boys might need some therapy, some counselling, after this traumatic event? Apart from shoving Harry into a new school and that adjustment to be experienced of course. No thought of any consultation with any (child) psychologists on their behalf?


Charles had had therapy in the early years of his marriage so it wasn’t exactly an unknown quality for him, even if the Queen, Prince Philip, Princess Anne (of the stiff upper lip school) never thought of it at Balmoral when observing this 12 and 15 year old, or afterwards.

 

[Hallo girl]

I'm sure Harry feels that the endless leaks to tabloids were examples of vitriol, exaggerations and fabrications. He is not casting blame or being vitriolic in the documentary. In fact, Harry comes across as someone who has finally found his purpose in life. He has not destroyed lives. Encouraging people to seek help for mental illness, helping to fund feeding centers, helping to provide vaccines, giving hope to injured service personnel, and providing education to poor women and girls are wonderful achievements.

And maybe we would be talking more about these really positive actions they have taken but we are are always talking about Oprah interviews.
Why could they not just keep to the positive stuff why do we need all the negativity. It doesn't do him any favours.

He is giving a very good impression of trying to destroy the life of his father.

 

[Hallo girl]

A look at the recent Harry interviews on GMB.

And I would just like to ask a question. Does it appear, from what we now know about how Diana’s death affected Harry (and his brother) who quite obviously were devastated, that any senior royal thought that these boys might need some therapy, some counselling, after this traumatic event? Apart from shoving Harry into a new school and that adjustment to be experienced of course. No thought of any consultation with any (child) psychologists on their behalf?


Charles had had therapy in the early years of his marriage so it wasn’t exactly an unknown quality for him, even if the Queen, Prince Philip, Princess Anne (of the stiff upper lip school) never thought of it at Balmoral when observing this 12 and 15 year old, or afterwards.

Do you know for sure that help was not in place,.

Do you recall how vilified the family were for protecting the boys at Balmoral and not doing public mourning,

 

[Erin9]

A look at the recent Harry interviews on GMB.

Charles had had therapy in the early years of his marriage so it wasn’t exactly an unknown quality for him, even if the Queen, Prince Philip, Princess Anne (of the stiff upper lip school) never thought of it at Balmoral when observing this 12 and 15 year old, or afterwards.

I’m going to have to think about the rest of your question.

But I do want to mention one thing: Philip’s mother spent years in a sanitarium when he was a child due to a mental breakdown. It’s not like he was unfamiliar with the concept of people needing mental health help. I’m not sure what his thoughts were precisely on this, but I think it’s at least worth noting.

 

[US Royal Watcher]

A look at the recent Harry interviews on GMB.

And I would just like to ask a question. Does it appear, from what we now know about how Diana’s death affected Harry (and his brother) who quite obviously were devastated, that any senior royal thought that these boys might need some therapy, some counselling, after this traumatic event? Apart from shoving Harry into a new school and that adjustment to be experienced of course. No thought of any consultation with any (child) psychologists on their behalf?


Charles had had therapy in the early years of his marriage so it wasn’t exactly an unknown quality for him, even if the Queen, Prince Philip, Princess Anne (of the stiff upper lip school) never thought of it at Balmoral when observing this 12 and 15 year old, or afterwards.

I guess Harry is denying but I wouldn't be surprised if Charles hadn't offered them counselling. They certainly had school counsellors who are trained in child psychology. The school counsellors probably assessed them regularly and kept Charles apprised.

 

[Moran]

And maybe we would be talking more about these really positive actions they have taken but we are are always talking about Oprah interviews.
Why could they not just keep to the positive stuff why do we need all the negativity. It doesn't do him any favours.

He is giving a very good impression of trying to destroy the life of his father.

I freely admit that I don't trust Harry. I don't trust his really positive actions and I see them as pure PR. I don't trust Meghan either and I remember thinking that there must be something off about her if there wasn't even one member of her family worthy of her unconditional love and devotion. That was before I basically forgot about them until I saw their February 2020 statement which struck me very unfavourably.



I don't trust Harry and I am not interested in his positive stuff because I believe someone who loves attacking his family publicly and constantly, including in their time of grief, lying and mourning the loss of the Bank of Dad isn't genuine in his desire to help some unnamed people. He proved me right by heaping buckets of sympathy over his poor little self over having to meet less privileged but freer people than himself. After claiming for years that it was so important for him. In a year or two, we'll hear how much he hated pouring his heart our for the sake of other people.


These who thrash their family publicly cannot be trusted not to do the same to everyone else.

 

[Curryong]

No, I don’t know, and that is the point really. None of us know, as outsiders, anything for sure that has gone on behind closed doors between Harry and any of the other royals in the more than two decades between Diana’s death and Harry taking his family to North America.

However, had therapy been offered to Harry as a twelve year old after his mother’s death, I am sure we would have heard about it since, especially in the Heads Together days, and when Harry conducted a much praised podcast on mental health with Briony Gordon, in which he discussed his own health.


What we do know is that the boys were ‘persuaded’ by Prince Philip to walk behind their mother’s coffin, a demonstration which seemingly had a huge effect on each of them judging by later statements, and presumably one that Charles felt was appropriate, as it went ahead. No therapist or psychiatrist would have recommended such an action.

 

[Moran]

You’re right. He’s showing callous disregard for the adults AND the children by going public. James and Louise are absolutely old enough to understand EXACTLY what Harry is saying. Peter’s girls probably are too. Everyone’s kids, in time, will have access to Harry and Meghan’s narrative. Including Harry’s.

I shake my head thinking about Harry saying publicly that the only reason Meghan didn’t commit suicide while pregnant was out of concern for him having lost his mother. I’m speechless. Archie will have access to that information someday.

Right. But since everyone relates to experiences that resemble their own, mine is one of a child whose family had to navigate between taking care of the mentally ill relative and protecting us children. So I'm not talking about Archie here. I'm talking about how the other RF children are left out of any consideration here. And let me tell you - generic you, not you personally, Erin - that life can be very cruel to kids whose relatives thrash their family publicly. Even when it isn't your own parents, it's still nasty and painful.


Why the hell should the RF be overwhelmed with concern for Archie and not their own children, many of whom are in vulnerable age? I can say with full confidence that one of the reasons that made it easier for our family to take care of and about said relative was the undisputable love between relative and us children. I see nothing of this with Harry.

 

[Hallo girl]

No, I don’t know, and that is the point really. None of us know, as outsiders, anything for sure that has gone on behind closed doors between Harry and any of the other royals in the more than two decades between Diana’s death and Harry taking his family to North America.

However, had therapy been offered to Harry as a twelve year old after his mother’s death, I am sure we would have heard about it since, especially in the Heads Together days, and when Harry conducted a much praised podcast on mental health with Briony Gordon, in which he discussed his own health.


What we do know is that the boys were ‘persuaded’ by Prince Philip to walk behind their mother’s coffin, a demonstration which seemingly had a huge effect on each of them judging by later statements, and presumably one that Charles felt was appropriate, as it went ahead. No therapist or psychiatrist would have recommended such an action.

We do not know anything for sure that happened behind closed doors, and I am sorry I do not think we can assume that we might have heard if certain things had taken place.
We also do not know if Philip persuaded the boys, all that was ever said was that he had offered to walk with them.
I am not saying it was the right thing to do but we need to be careful about laying blame.

 

[soapstar]

I’m not sure if any senior royals felt Harry and William needed counseling right after Diana’s death, but according to William, the family did try to get them to talk about their feelings.

Immediately following Diana's death, the royal family made attempts to engage the young princes in conversation about their mother's passing. “The family came together and Harry and I tried to talk as best we could about it," William said in the newly-released documentary. "But being so small at that age, it was very difficult to communicate or understand your feelings. It’s...it’s very complicated.”

It could be that after these talks, someone suggested therapy, but we’ll never really know unless Harry and William discuss it.

 

[TLLK]

A look at the recent Harry interviews on GMB.

And I would just like to ask a question. Does it appear, from what we now know about how Diana’s death affected Harry (and his brother) who quite obviously were devastated, that any senior royal thought that these boys might need some therapy, some counselling, after this traumatic event? Apart from shoving Harry into a new school and that adjustment to be experienced of course. No thought of any consultation with any (child) psychologists on their behalf?


Charles had had therapy in the early years of his marriage so it wasn’t exactly an unknown quality for him, even if the Queen, Prince Philip, Princess Anne (of the stiff upper lip school) never thought of it at Balmoral when observing this 12 and 15 year old, or afterwards.

I believe that it would have been offered to them through their school counselors and that Eton staff would have been in communication with Charles. They'd be required to keep him updated on any significant changes in school work, grades, behavior, appetite, etc... Now IMHO here's the tricky part, if the brothers didn't want to engage with a counselor and participate, then nothing was likely to happen. The counselor could remind them that they'd be present and willing to assist if needed but requiring the brothers to engage would likely be futile.

Each boy has an individual Tutor who oversees his academic progress and who is readily available to advise and encourage boys throughout their Eton careers. Professional psychological support is provided, when required, through the team of counsellors in the Stephenson Centre for Wellbeing, and our Learning Support Centre is also readily available. The school chaplains are happy to talk to any boy who may need help, or just a friendly ear – our Anglican and Roman Catholic chaplains are complemented by Jewish, Muslim and Hindu tutors. The physical health of the boys is overseen by three school doctors who are well supported by five fully qualified nurses in the Eton College Health Centre. Immediate and routine medical matters are handled within each House by their Dame. Boys are able to discuss medical or other concerns with the school doctors at any point. Boys have full access to the Designated Safeguarding Lead and to other members of the school safeguarding team, who can intervene if there are any concerns about pupil welfare.

Information on Eton College's Pastoral care which includes mental health.
https://www.etoncollege.com/college-life/pastoral-care/






As to the brothers sharing information about any counseling they'd received after Diana's death, that's up to them to choose to share or keep private. They're not under any obligation to the public to disclose what was going on in those months following her death.

 

[Erin9]

We do not know anything for sure that happened behind closed doors, and I am sorry I do not think we can assume that we might have heard if certain things had taken place.

We also do not know if Philip persuaded the boys, all that was ever said was that he had offered to walk with them.

I am not saying it was the right thing to do but we need to be careful about laying blame.

Agreed. All we know is Philip volunteered to walk with them. And- Philip walked behind his sister’s coffin as a teen. We know nothing else about what/how things happened.

 

[US Royal Watcher]

No, I don’t know, and that is the point really. None of us know, as outsiders, anything for sure that has gone on behind closed doors between Harry and any of the other royals in the more than two decades between Diana’s death and Harry taking his family to North America.

Agreed, but we do know that Archie doesn't need an HRH to receive security in the UK. We know that Archie wasn't denied an HRH because of his heritage.

There are also things we do not know, since Harry's stories are shifting. One day, he says he was too embarrassed to go to his family when Meghan needed help and another day, the family actively sought to deny her help. We thought we knew that William suggested Harry needed therapy, but now we find that Meghan was the catalyst - even though he met her after he admitted going to therapy. His recent interview also reveals another very troubling inconsistency - Meghan convinced Harry to get help but Harry didn't get Meghan help when she needed it - and apparently didn't know how.

These inconsistencies and outright fabrications undermine Harry's credibility.

However, had therapy been offered to Harry as a twelve year old after his mother’s death, I am sure we would have heard about it since, especially in the Heads Together days, and when Harry conducted a much praised podcast on mental health with Briony Gordon, in which he discussed his own health.

I don't think we would necessarily know whether they were offered help. I find it impossible to believe that the school counsellors never talked to William and Harry. Maybe he didn't consider that therapy or, more likely, either doesn't remember or is lying.

What we do know is that the boys were ‘persuaded’ by Prince Philip to walk behind their mother’s coffin, a demonstration which seemingly had a huge effect on each of them judging by later statements, and presumably one that Charles felt was appropriate, as it went ahead. No therapist or psychiatrist would have recommended such an action.

I personally would not have suggested the boys walk behind the coffin but Philip and Charles may have been concerned that William and Harry would regret it if they didn't. They probably would have because my own opinion is that Harry is focusing on walking behind the coffin as a way of avoiding dealing with his natural anger at his mother. It's easier to express anger at the people who are still alive but it can feel very wrong to be angry at someone who died.

 

[Erin9]

Right. But since everyone relates to experiences that resemble their own, mine is one of a child whose family had to navigate between taking care of the mentally ill relative and protecting us children. So I'm not talking about Archie here. I'm talking about how the other RF children are left out of any consideration here. And let me tell you - generic you, not you personally, Erin - that life can be very cruel to kids whose relatives thrash their family publicly. Even when it isn't your own parents, it's still nasty and painful.


Why the hell should the RF be overwhelmed with concern for Archie and not their own children, many of whom are in vulnerable age? I can say with full confidence that one of the reasons that made it easier for our family to take care of and about said relative was the undisputable love between relative and us children. I see nothing of this with Harry.

IA- the children here and now need to be protected. Didn’t intend to imply otherwise. This public thrashing of their family members is just horrible. To put it mildly. I agree with everything you said.

I added that bit about Archie because I think Harry’s story about Meghan and suicide may be one of the most damaging things he’s said.

 

[Eskimo]

I would suppose he's hoping for a cash payout "to stay quiet". I think the attacks will keep coming until the family offers what he and Meghan deem enough to support them in the lifestyle they are accustomed to and feel they deserve.
The above sounds harsh, but to me, that's what this whole mess is starting to look like.......

That’s the issue… Charles and the RF do not have the kind of money that H&M need/want to support their lifestyle. The beauty of being members of the RF has been that you can live life like a multi-billionaire without actually having to be one.

 

[Moran]

IA- the children here and now need to be protected. Didn’t intend to imply otherwise. This public thrashing of their family members is just horrible. To put it mildly. I agree with everything you said.

I added that bit about Archie because I think Harry’s story about Meghan and suicide may be one of the most damaging things he’s said.

I do agree about Archie. I was merely writing about a part that seems to be overlooked. People are so concerned about the mental health of a 36-year-old man and a 39-year-old woman and discussing the RF's ways of encouraging and supporting Harry as if he's a child, hardly acknowledging that they have actual children to parent - children who Harry keeps hurting. And the different standards he has for them and his own son are blatantly obvious, yet people expect that Archie will be everyone's main consideration. There will be time before he can see what his parents overshared. Meanwhile, there is a child who is played in parody by Harry's friend of the day. There are children who are currently getting the side-eye because "well, it might be true" or "well, he looked so jolly and well-meaning and see how he turned out. BTW, PP's mother was mental, you know? Who can say how THEY are going to turn out?" I expect that these children are the RF's immediate concern.