Relationships between Members of the British Royal Family


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I have to disagree. IMO, William has done the right thing by not discussing a private matter with the press. It is not a matter of state or a matter that needs to be shared with the public. This is probably one of the biggest errors of judgement on Harry's part, IMO.

Listen -

Harry did nothing wrong in that interview. He didn’t confirm a “rift.” He praised his brother, their relationship and said that siblings have their ups and downs. Harry didn’t say anything that William haven’t discussed before in public.

So this idea that Harry said something very personal that he shouldn’t have is bogus. That didn’t happen.

The problem is people are following the media spin on Harry’s words and hitting Harry about it. That’s not fair.
 
Siblings love each other, but that doesn't mean they are always in love with each other and their actions. That's where Harry & William are right now. It's not Harry's job to constantly be a shield for William. He answered a question in the most diplomatic way possible. He didn't say he hated his brother. He just said...we're on different paths. If William wants people to think differently of his relationship with Harry, then William needs to do the work to change the narrative. Harry spoke his truth. It's out there. Ball is in William's court.

I’m afraid at least in the British press, the ball will be in the Sussexes’ court for a long time to come. This interview was a massive ‘own goal’ as it’s being described in Britain
 
I really wish people would stop stating opinions as facts in this thread, it's really making the whole discussion very confusing.

We all watched the same documentary, what was said was said. What people took from it is their interpretation.
 
Actually, I saw that statement differently. With all that has been going on including all of the above that you've mentioned, I took her statement to mean that perhaps Tom Bradby was the first member of the press to actually ask her how she was. Other media outlets out there probably have been in her face yelling questions from all angles with the intent of getting their own stories and basically using Meghan and her life for their own intents without thinking of how it may affect her. They didn't care if she was OK or not.

That's what I got from it anyways. I didn't take it to mean that no one in the BRF gave a damn if she was OK or not or even if the public cared if she was OK or not. Too much focus on slants and innuendo and reading between the lines on everything and it seemed like all the talk was about an inanimate object rather than a feeling human being.


Yes, I see that also. Some of my post got deleted by mistake. new computer & I have to get used to this key board.
 
I really wish people would stop stating opinions as facts in this thread, it's really making the whole discussion very confusing.

We all watched the same documentary, what was said was said. What people took from it is their interpretation.

I agree. As well as stating things not in evidence but are purely personal opinion about other members of the Royal Family based on what various posters think members of the BRF should have done.
 
Listen -

Harry did nothing wrong in that interview. He didn’t confirm a “rift.” He praised his brother, their relationship and said that siblings have their ups and downs. Harry didn’t say anything that William haven’t discussed before in public.

So this idea that Harry said something very personal that he shouldn’t have is bogus. That didn’t happen.

The problem is people are following the media spin on Harry’s words and hitting Harry about it. That’s not fair.

I mean it echoes exactly what both William and Harry said at the Forum in '18 too.
 
But- that’s your interpretation of what he said and meant. And that’s the problem. Harry opened a can of worms. He brought all this back into the public realm. And he failed to shut it down by the words he chose.

His hesitating before responding spoke volumes imo. Him saying they’re on different paths right now seemed telling, talking about how there are always issues in a pressure- filled family/business like theirs, they have good days/bad days. He invited further speculation, conclusions for people to draw.

I don’t take it to mean they’re estranged. But it was an acknowledgement of tensions imo.
How large or small- who knows. Families have issues- true. But- he opened a door I assume the family would prefer remained shut.

He needed to either make it a condition that the subject not come up- or simply say- there is no rift. The end.


Exactly, the speculations are in full swing:
Prince William is 'worried' about Prince Harry and Meghan Markle and hopes they 'are all right' as royal aides fear the couple are 'in a fragile place' in wake of ITV documentary

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...lliam-worried-Prince-Harry-Meghan-Markle.html
 
Well, the purpose of this whole thread is to speculate about the relationships within the BRF - based on available information.
It can't be anything else as few, if any, of us are privy to first hand info.

So going along these lines of speculation: If there is no discord, for a lack of a better word, between William and Harry, and Harry didn't mean to even hint that possibility, where is the clarification? Either from the court or Harry or even William themselves.
Clarifications are issued all the time by pretty much everybody else, so why not in this case? Before speculations in the pres take over. Especially as the Suffolks in particular have a somewhat - strained - relationship to the press these days and not least because their public image (also in other countries) have begun to show cracks.

Following the course of logic: Harry did not categorically deny there is a strain of some sort between him and William. Ergo, even to an unbiased observer, the idea that there is a rift, will move from unlikely to a plausible possibility.
And as long as that thought is hanging out there, unopposed by the BRF, this thread will remain very active!

Harry has brought William in an impossible situation:
If William says: No problems. - It can and will be seen as firefighting, as long as Harry doesn't say something similar.
If William says nothing, the speculations will continue.
If William say something that is equally open to interpretation as Harry's statement, the press will run amok! And so will this thread!
It basically takes something like Harry and William singing a duet in front of Buckingham Palace to rectify this mess!

Okay, let's for the sake of argument say there is a row between the brothers. I'm sure each of us can easily list five or six possible reasons for that, before pausing for breath.
But why oh why, would Harry open his mouth and even hint that there could be such a row?
To me the most obvious answer (and yes, it's pure speculation) is loyalty. Both brothers have families now and that's where their first loyalty lies.
Harry is under pressure. He feels under pressure I'm sure! And even worse he must feel pretty powerless as well.
In such a situation you tend to see things in black and white. Even the most experienced person can end up in that situation, where things become black and white. And in that state of mind people often tend to say: If you don't see my point of view, you are against me!
Even if those trying to advise you, only have your best interests in mind. After all you tend to lash out at those nearest and dearest to you, when you hurt inside. They are the easiest ones to hit...
 
Well, the purpose of this whole thread is to speculate about the relationships within the BRF - based on available information.
It can't be anything else as few, if any, of us are privy to first hand info.

So going along these lines of speculation: If there is no discord, for a lack of a better word, between William and Harry, and Harry didn't mean to even hint that possibility, where is the clarification? Either from the court or Harry or even William themselves.
Clarifications are issued all the time by pretty much everybody else, so why not in this case? Before speculations in the pres take over. Especially as the Suffolks in particular have a somewhat - strained - relationship to the press these days and not least because their public image (also in other countries) have begun to show cracks.

Following the course of logic: Harry did not categorically deny there is a strain of some sort between him and William. Ergo, even to an unbiased observer, the idea that there is a rift, will move from unlikely to a plausible possibility.
And as long as that thought is hanging out there, unopposed by the BRF, this thread will remain very active!

Harry has brought William in an impossible situation:
If William says: No problems. - It can and will be seen as firefighting, as long as Harry doesn't say something similar.
If William says nothing, the speculations will continue.
If William say something that is equally open to interpretation as Harry's statement, the press will run amok! And so will this thread!
It basically takes something like Harry and William singing a duet in front of Buckingham Palace to rectify this mess!

Okay, let's for the sake of argument say there is a row between the brothers. I'm sure each of us can easily list five or six possible reasons for that, before pausing for breath.
But why oh why, would Harry open his mouth and even hint that there could be such a row?
To me the most obvious answer (and yes, it's pure speculation) is loyalty. Both brothers have families now and that's where their first loyalty lies.
Harry is under pressure. He feels under pressure I'm sure! And even worse he must feel pretty powerless as well.
In such a situation you tend to see things in black and white. Even the most experienced person can end up in that situation, where things become black and white. And in that state of mind people often tend to say: If you don't see my point of view, you are against me!
Even if those trying to advise you, only have your best interests in mind. After all you tend to lash out at those nearest and dearest to you, when you hurt inside. They are the easiest ones to hit...




Where were the denials from William and Kate when there were months of stories about Meghan making Charlotte cry and being mean to Kate .


Loyalty is a two way street ....And keeping your mouth shut while the press tear your sister in law down is not the heroic or brotherly thing to do either .
 
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Harry has brought William in an impossible situation:
If William says: No problems. - It can and will be seen as firefighting, as long as Harry doesn't say something similar.
If William says nothing, the speculations will continue.
If William say something that is equally open to interpretation as Harry's statement, the press will run amok! And so will this thread!
It basically takes something like Harry and William singing a duet in front of Buckingham Palace to rectify this mess!

Thanks Muhler for this. I've heard it said a few times that this whole "uproar" has turned into a soap opera between the brothers. Now I have a picture firmly embedded in my mind of William and Harry in front of Buckinham Palace turning the soap opera into a musical.
 
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Please note that when making statements that could be construde as being speculative without further details, a source for that information is required. Hearsay, assumptions and the like must be backed up with a source or link to an article so that it can be verified where such information came from.

Could members also please try to stick to the topic of the thread - in this case it relates to family relationships. There is another thread to discuss the recent documentary about Harry & Meghan and a further thread to discuss General News - let's not mix them up please.
 
Where were the denials from William and Kate when there were months of stories about Meghan making Charlotte cry and being mean to Kate .


Loyalty is a two way street ....And keeping your mouth shut while the press tear your sister in law down is not the heroic or brotherly thing to do either .

That's different IMO.

These were stories backed up by... nothing, and not worth a comment anyway.
This is one of the main characters whose statement has opened up for genuine speculations that there really is a rift.
 
Where were the denials from William and Kate when there were months of stories about Meghan making Charlotte cry and being mean to Kate .


Loyalty is a two way street ....And keeping your mouth shut while the press tear your sister in law down is not the heroic or brotherly thing to do either .




If the BRF were to comment on any rumor that is spread about them in the press, the situation would quickly spiral out of control. That is why they never comment.



That should not be construed as lack of support for the Duchess of Sussex.
 
He also said he loves his brother dearly; they are brothers and will always be.
and he'll always be there for William and knows that William will always be there for him.
 
Where was William's brotherly concern when Meghan was getting dragged for months? He only made a statement because in certain parts of the Twitterverse House Cambridge is getting dragged for lack of response and compasion for his brother and his wife. That statement from William comes off as cold and more concern about his image of king in waiting.
 
I admit I feel sorry for William hasn't he just finished a tour? And instead of decompressing from that he has to deal with his brother stirring a fire that had died down. OTOP They way Harry responded to the question confirms the tabloid story and the tabloids will be empowered saying "see our unsourced story was right".

Where was William's brotherly concern when Meghan was getting dragged for months? He only made a statement because in certain parts of the Twitterverse House Cambridge is getting dragged for lack of response and compasion for his brother and his wife. That statement from William comes off as cold and more concern about his image of king in waiting.

You seem to think William's whole life revolves around Kate. Why should be focus on what his brother's wife is going through? Williams concern is Kate and his children; as has been stated in other places all royal ladies have faced negative press...when it happened to Kate William came to her rescue not Harry same when it happened to Camilla it was Charles who protected her, and rarely did any of them throw public tantrums and release statement after statement after statement. Remember when those photos of Kate in France sunbathing came out? Kate had to step out in public as soon as it was known; she kept her smile on her face when in private she was probably in tears. William and Kate pursued legal action released a statement (I believe one) and then moved on.
Every woman who married into this family has gone through negative press; how they deal with it will determine how they will be treated in the future. The way HnM are acting gives me the impression of Sarah Duchess of York
 
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I concur

I have to disagree. IMO, William has done the right thing by not discussing a private matter with the press. It is not a matter of state or a matter that needs to be shared with the public. This is probably one of the biggest errors of judgement on Harry's part, IMO.

I to think it is one of Harry's biggest blunders. Private personal matter between royal brothers. He complains about all the harsh thing said about Megan and he discloses private matters and caused more speculation. I was watching CNN and they actually reported it. I don't think it healthy to disclose family matters and then complain about all the attention on poor Megan. Kate and her family had a horrible time with the press, family still does. I agree with people who have stated they have caused more ill feelings for them selves by their secrets with god parents, home birth, I don't even remember all the [things]. It's their right to do but accept the consequences. I think I'm confused, they just had a great tour and than this?
 
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Where were the denials from William and Kate when there were months of stories about Meghan making Charlotte cry and being mean to Kate .


Loyalty is a two way street ....And keeping your mouth shut while the press tear your sister in law down is not the heroic or brotherly thing to do either .

If the royal family start denying every story in the tabloids it can open up a can of worms. as they will need to respond to every story. What if a story is based on a truth but embellished with 'lies', how do they respond to that. That is why never complain never explain is the mantra.
Also by responding to stories the fire is fulled and it encourages people to buy the papers.
Another general point is that a great deal of the stuff is on line, I am not sure how you deal with that.
posters on here go on about not encouraging the tabloids etc etc but they can tell you what is in the same tabloids. so maybe a wee bit of practice what you preach would help.
 
:previous: It takes two sides to make a war and when war happens, there is collateral damage on both sides.

For the royal family (or spokespeople) to respond to a "fifth estate" story, even if its just a "no comment", it is recognition that the story exists and that, in and of itself, gives the story more "credence". The "never complain, never explain" keeps any kind of "warmongers" having only one side to a war. Their own.

The conundrum is that ignoring a spark in a barn full of hay leaves the potential for that barn to burn down and its quite hard to ignore a barn on fire.
 
That he didn’t leads to the uncomfortable possibility that Harry simply didn’t care about how his family would feel about the inevitable PR mess. Which leads to further speculation about just how well he is getting along with his family. Ugh.

In my view this runs deep. To me, it demonstrates:

> Harry clearly has not learnt lessons of the past (and more specifically, from Diana's experience) that putting out non-essential personal information never leads to anything positive. You do not need to be Diana' son, or a royal Prince to recognise that washing ones dirty linen in public is pretty bad form.

> Assuming Harry understood the implications of his actions, one can only assume that Harry neither cares for how his family might feel, nor does he seem to care to the damage his actions might have on "The Firm"

> What about the role of the expensive team of PR advisors and Managers that H&M have hired? Were they on-board with H&M making the statements that were made, or were they kept in the dark? If it is the former, perhaps that team needs to be fired and brought under the direct control of BP / CH or KP. If it is the latter, well, we have some bigger issues brewing!
 
The fact that Harry has gone out of his way to support Catherine and William in public (even Meghan has said kind things about them) and neither of them can give a moment of support to the Sussexes says more about their character than anything else.

They couldn't even say any kind things when Archie was born other than welcome to sleep deprivation club.
 
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The fact that Harry has gone out of his way to support Catherine and William in public (even Meghan has said kind things about them) and neither of them can give a moment of support to the Sussexes says more about their character than anything else.

They couldn't even say any kind things when Archie was born other than welcome to sleep deprivation club.


Thank You! I agree with you 100%.
 
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I think it's time the family have a big private meeting pronto. Figure out a way to handle all this.

It would do wonders if there could be some joint appearances (other than family holiday settings). Doesn't have to be all of them at one time....Meghan and Camilla, Sophie and Meghan, Anne and Meghan, Beatrice and Meghan, Sophie and Camilla etc. They all stay in their own 'boxes' too much IMO. It just lends to the idea of family disharmony.

If the Queen can parade Andrew beside her in a car to Church in the middle of serious (and possibly criminal) allegations as show of support surely there can be something arranged to help shore up the Sussexes.



LaRae
 
I think it's time the family have a big private meeting pronto. Figure out a way to handle all this.

It would do wonders if there could be some joint appearances (other than family holiday settings). Doesn't have to be all of them at one time....Meghan and Camilla, Sophie and Meghan, Anne and Meghan, Beatrice and Meghan, Sophie and Camilla etc. They all stay in their own 'boxes' too much IMO. It just lends to the idea of family disharmony.

If the Queen can parade Andrew beside her in a car to Church in the middle of serious (and possibly criminal) allegations as show of support surely there can be something arranged to help shore up the Sussexes.



LaRae

Yes, and they could maintain their “silence”. An appearance would do wonders to change the narrative, but it may be a case of too little, too late.
 
Yes, and they could maintain their “silence”. An appearance would do wonders to change the narrative, but it may be a case of too little, too late.


For sure this should of been ongoing from day one...a few joint appearances a year would help things IMO..for all of them.



LaRae
 
I've just been saying that on another site, Pranter. ..a joint engagement or two for Meghan with the Queen, with Charles and Camilla or William and Kate, would I'm sure have meant the world to Harry, and shown the Press that the RF had Meghan's back.

Instead we now have PR because the royal family can't be seen to be unfeeling. No, can't have that. Just inform media outlets about how worried and concerned you are when it's probably too late.
 
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I think it's time the family have a big private meeting pronto. Figure out a way to handle all this.

It would do wonders if there could be some joint appearances (other than family holiday settings). Doesn't have to be all of them at one time....Meghan and Camilla, Sophie and Meghan, Anne and Meghan, Beatrice and Meghan, Sophie and Camilla etc. They all stay in their own 'boxes' too much IMO. It just lends to the idea of family disharmony.

If the Queen can parade Andrew beside her in a car to Church in the middle of serious (and possibly criminal) allegations as show of support surely there can be something arranged to help shore up the Sussexes.
LaRae

I wholeheartedly agree with you, Pranter. I’ve said something similar to this a while back. The family can get some control over this and show the Sussexes some public support. The silence and distance is helping fuel this stuff.
 
So many "close sources" all of a sudden on both sides have a lot to say. Sorry, not buying it. First William was furious and trying to prevent the clips from airing. Now he is oh so very concerned. They the brothers didn't speak. Now they have spoken. And now both sides seem to be updating. It is just all just too much clickbait for me and the papers are loving it while people eat it up.
 
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