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Rebecky 01-20-2006 05:11 PM

Frederik and Mary's Introduction and Courtship
 
Hi

I have been looking for a while for information and pictures on Princess Mary before she became engaged. When the Danish Press first became aware of her. I have not been able to find much which has made me even more curious. Then again i am most probably not looking in the right places!

Is anyone able to help me?

norwegianne 01-20-2006 05:33 PM

It was actually a reporter who first became aware of it, by a slip in the royal calendar. She wondered why Joachim was being regent when the Queen was out of the country, and nobody would give her a reasonable explanation as to where Frederik was. (Turned out he'd left for Australia and a visit with Mary.)

That was the first time the Danish press found out about Mary.

Warren 01-21-2006 04:25 AM

First Sydney Press mention
 
I knew I was keeping these clippings for a reason! The very first mention in the Sydney press of something going on was 22 April 2001 when one of the newspaper gossip columns published a scoop. Here are the opening paragraphs (Sydney Sun Herald):

"An Australian woman as the future Queen of Denmark? Not so far-fetched. The Diary can reveal an Australian has stolen the heart of Denmark's Crown Prince Frederik.

The 32-year-old heir to the Danish throne has made four trips to Australia since meeting the woman on a visit to Sydney last year to attend the Olympic Games. And now the Danish press is buzzing with talk of the woman, who is going to remarkable lengths to protect her privacy.

The 30-something woman works in the legal profession and is said to be extremely attractive."

sm1939 01-25-2006 09:45 AM

its all rather funny now looking back on these clippings , knowing the out come ! eheh

Warren 01-25-2006 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by sm1939
its all rather funny now looking back on these clippings , knowing the out come ! eheh

If he had married someone else these clippings would be in the bin! :)

sm1939 01-25-2006 10:24 AM

Lucky for us you didnt get rid of them

ysbel 01-25-2006 10:29 AM

What I find interesting is how the Australian press found out about Mary.

They couldn't understand why the Danish press were descending en masse on Australia to check out an attractive but very normal looking real estate agent.

It was only later that they found out who she was dating. :)

Warren 01-25-2006 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by ysbel
What I find interesting is how the Australian press found out about Mary.

But note the first story that appeared here was not quite accurate... they have her working in "the legal profession". So at that stage things were very shadowy, and if the Danish Press knew who Mary was, they weren't giving everything away to their Australian counterparts.

The first mention of Mary's name that I have is an "exclusive" in The Australian newspaper dated 16 November 2001 (which they didn't share with their News Corp stablemates). The other papers followed up the story the next day, and life for Mary Donaldson changed forever.

ysbel 01-25-2006 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Warren
But note the first story that appeared here was not quite accurate... they have her working in "the legal profession". So at that stage things were very shadowy, and if the Danish Press knew who Mary was, they weren't giving everything away to their Australian counterparts.

The first mention of Mary's name that I have is an "exclusive" in The Australian newspaper dated 16 November 2001 (which they didn't share with their News Corp stablemates). The other papers followed up the story the next day, and life for Mary Donaldson changed forever.

You're right, Warren!

I imagine even the Danish press was fishing a bit in the dark when they first landed in Ozland. All they knew at first was that Fred was off to Australia when he should have been in Denmark. I don't think Danish reporters had much local knowledge of how to get the real scoop in Tasmania.

So I imagine they must have run down some dead ends before getting the real scoop. But a bunch of foreign reporters asking questions about a local girl would have been enough to get the Aussie press interested even if the foreigners didn't know exactly what they were looking for.

MaximaRocks 02-01-2006 04:38 PM

This is the first pic I recall seeing of Mary.
https://www.hola.com/2001/11/17/feder...imgs/din5b.jpg

Warren 02-02-2006 02:20 AM

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Originally Posted by MaximaRocks
This is the first pic I recall seeing of Mary.

This is also the pic that was first published in the Australian papers. The photographer must have received lots of royalties for this snap! :)

Yennie 02-02-2006 06:00 AM

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Originally Posted by MaximaRocks
This is the first pic I recall seeing of Mary.
https://www.hola.com/2001/11/17/feder...imgs/din5b.jpg

poor Mary.. not a very flattering photo :)

Royal Fan 02-02-2006 10:35 AM

lol she looks Beautiful even when schoked :)

Lasse Pedersen 02-03-2006 06:57 AM

The Danish reporter who first found out who Mary was Anna Johannesen of Billed Bladet. According to HRH Crown Princess Mary, Anna Johannesen approached Mary Donaldson in front of her workplace, looking like a tourist wanting directions, so Mary asked: "Can I help you?". Anna Johannesen replied: "We know that you are the Crown Prince's girlfriend". Anna Johannesen then said: "Can we have a photo". Mary, who was startled by the sudden unveiling of her identity, politely replied: "No thank you, sorry". Then she walked away, feeling quite uncomfortable as the photo taken by the hidden photographer, and posted here by MaximaRocks, clearly shows.

/Lasse Pedersen

Zonk 02-03-2006 09:17 AM

That's pretty rude! But before anyone says it.......if you are going to date someone famous you got to expect that.

Jamerican 02-03-2006 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Zonk1189
That's pretty rude! But before anyone says it.......if you are going to date someone famous you got to expect that.

Yeah, that's true, but it must still be a shock to the system the first time that flashbulb blows in your face. I think it can be fasinating to have so many people interested in you, but extremely scary at the same time. Mary went through that period like a trooper, though. She handled it well. Nuff respect.

evelynh 04-06-2006 11:49 AM

Here is a Mary-fansite who has some photos of her before her engagement.

https://mary3689.tripod.com/id1.html

I read somewhere that the Danish press first posted a photo of an Australian who competed in the Olympics saying she was Frederiks girlfriend.

ingenue 05-18-2006 03:14 PM

Mary is amazing. She looks so polished and regal now as a crown princess! She was pretty before, but wow nothing compared to now. I really admire her transformation. It's like she was born into this role.

Harold 12-03-2007 09:13 PM

How Did Frederik Introduce Himself?
 
If I understand correctly, Frederik and Mary met in Sydney during the Olympics. And if I understand correctly further they met in a bar! So, how did it come to pass? Have they talked about it? I picture him with his Danish friends drinking beer and seeing Mary and then saying hello. Then, my question really begins. At some point she has to say something like "so what do you do?" Did he say I'm the crown price of Denmark or did he demur and say something like "I work for the government?"

GlitteringTiaras 12-03-2007 09:57 PM

The Crown Prince couple met through friends, specifically through Beatrice Tarnawski who was (and/or still is) friends with King Juan Carlo's nephew, Bruno Gomez-Acebo.

Beatrice called her friend Andrew Miles and asked him to bring some friends with him to a bar where Bruno and his friends were going to met her. The reason for her doing this: so there would be more people within their party besides her and Bruno's friends. Those friends include Joachim, Frederik, Martha Louise of Norway, and Nikoloas of Greece. Andrew brought Mary, who decided at the last minute to go with him. I believe there were a couple of more people, but I am not sure who they were exactly.

Apparently, Mary was seated next to Frederik and Joachim the night they met at the Slip Inn. He simply introduced himself as Fred. As time went on, they all ate pizza, drank beer, danced as more and more friends arrived. It wasn't until sometime later (that evening) that someone informed Mary who Bruno's friends were rather their status. Essentially, she had no idea. As the night progressed the two started talking. After a few round of drinks the party moved on over to a club called the Establishment. On the way there Mary and Fred were in a deep conversation that "...never stopped..." since the day they met.

Finally, they have talked about how they met many times before.

Harold 12-04-2007 11:43 AM

Thanks. That's a really good story!

Xeara 12-09-2007 07:03 PM

I think Andrew and Mary were housemates in a Bondi sharehouse...??? So Mary had the right flatmate at the right time ;)

HRH Abigail 12-09-2007 11:26 PM

This is only a rumour, now ...
 
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Originally Posted by Harold (Post 700825)
If I understand correctly, Frederik and Mary met in Sydney during the Olympics. And if I understand correctly further they met in a bar! So, how did it come to pass? Have they talked about it? I picture him with his Danish friends drinking beer and seeing Mary and then saying hello. Then, my question really begins. At some point she has to say something like "so what do you do?" Did he say I'm the crown price of Denmark or did he demur and say something like "I work for the government?"

Hello there, Harold:

Abbie here.

I have heard that Frederik introduced himself to Mary with these words: "Hi, I'm Fred from Denmark" (seriously!) after having walked up to her in a Bar (NOT just any Bar, I am sure ... I think it was at some function or other) after having spotted her from across a crowded room (as the saying goes).

I am told he was most UNpretentious, and continues to BE that way, in fact. :smile: KUDOS to him.

Actually, I am told that Fred is quite a hoot to be around!

Harold 12-10-2007 10:19 AM

A hoot to be around? Sounds wonderful and I bet he makes a great king!

GlitteringTiaras 12-10-2007 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by HRH Abigail (Post 703012)
Hello there, Harold:

Abbie here.

I have heard that Frederik introduced himself to Mary with these words: "Hi, I'm Fred from Denmark" (seriously!) after having walked up to her in a Bar (NOT just any Bar, I am sure ... I think it was at some function or other) after having spotted her from across a crowded room (as the saying goes).


Actually, Abbie that is incorrect. According to various interviews they were introduced through friends and he specifically said, "I'm Fred." They sat next to each other (Prince Joachim on the otherside of Mary) at the Slip Inn along with a crowd of people.

It wasn't until later in the evening and just before they left the bar to head on over to the club, Establishment, that they began to talk.

If you want to read about their relationship from the very beginning I recommend the book Mary: Crown Princess of Denmark by Karin Palshoj and Gitte Redder. Also there is a famous Mary: The Interview by Ninka which published some years ago and excerpts from the book were published in the Danish newspaper, Politiken.

BurberryBrit 12-15-2007 11:16 PM

I wonder what happened to Beatrice and how she came to know Bruno in the first place?

GlitteringTiaras 12-15-2007 11:29 PM

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Originally Posted by BurberryBrit (Post 705427)
I wonder what happened to Beatrice and how she came to know Bruno in the first place?


She knew Bruno through her sister, Katya, who lived in London at one point where she met him. So when he came to Sydney he called Beatrice and Katya to see them and hang out. One night he called and asked to met up with him. Bruno brought several friends along one of whom was Frederik and the rest is history.

Aotearoagal 01-14-2008 01:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Xeara (Post 702962)
I think Andrew and Mary were housemates in a Bondi sharehouse...??? So Mary had the right flatmate at the right time ;)

Andrew Miles works for NSW MP Clover Moore and has many years experience doing PR and advocacy work. He is particularly interested in advocating on behalf of sex workers, of whom there are a lot in inner-Sydney. Prostitution is legal in Sydney, but the sex workers are often exploited. He attended a number of parliamentary committees in Australia, investigating the state of the sex industry, but wasn't called on to give evidence. I believe he knows Mary through PR circles.

auntie 04-02-2008 04:18 AM

There's something about CP Mary,(more than any other married into royal of this generation) that gives me the impression that Fred's money and position had a major impact in her pursuit of their relationship, she was terribly clever or well guided, how to work his way into his heart. Sorry, I know some of you will not like to read it, but I feel this to be true with all her "more royal than royalty" behaviour, her continuous picture perfect behaviour and all the books and articles that have been written by the media about her. It doesn't mean that she isn't in love with her husband or a devoted mother and a good role model for the Danes, it just means she is a human being with some minor imperfections. I've been a royal fan for years and have followed up all the European royals and this feeling, based on what I see and read hasn't left me! Had Fred been a (even wealthy) Dane, Mary wouldn't have gone after him.

ricarda 04-02-2008 08:11 AM

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quote=auntie
I've been a royal fan for years and have followed up all the European royals and this feeling, based on what I see and read hasn't left me! Had Fred been a (even wealthy) Dane, Mary wouldn't have gone after him.
I have been a royal fan for years as well and I have a different feeling, for me their relationship is very convincing, more convincing than some others are. IMO they are "on the same level" and I can definitely see the attractiveness of Frederik (besides status and wealth) whereas I don't see that of Willem-Alexander or Philippe for example.
I mean, I don't quite see why Mary is singled out here. It might well be that status and wealth were attractive for her but I don't believe for a second that those things did not have any attraction for Maxima, Mathilde, Letizia, Mette-Marit or Alexandra and Marie as well.
Besides, there is a separate thread to express such feelings: Would she have married him? (in the Royal Chit Chat Forum, I believe).

Penny Royalty 04-06-2008 07:29 PM

I think there is "Something About Mary." And I think Fred loves her for it. I like this thread because you can see many pictures of Mary prior to becoming the graceful future Queen we all admire and adore. I personally think they are happy from all I've seen. There seems to be a harmony and a show of liking from one to another. Mary and Fred seem balanced to each other forming a duet that we can only speculate to be enchanting and charming. I think they're doing fine and I would also like to say that from this thread I think Mary is bold from looking at her pictures prior to Fred. She seems to have spunk and that "it" called the libido. I think Fred made a lucky find. I hope they do waltz and dance off the night as a happy duet. Good luck to them.

BurberryBrit 04-06-2008 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by auntie (Post 748971)
There's something about CP Mary,(more than any other married into royal of this generation) that gives me the impression that Fred's money and position had a major impact in her pursuit of their relationship, she was terribly clever or well guided, how to work his way into his heart. Sorry, I know some of you will not like to read it, but I feel this to be true with all her "more royal than royalty" behaviour, her continuous picture perfect behaviour and all the books and articles that have been written by the media about her. It doesn't mean that she isn't in love with her husband or a devoted mother and a good role model for the Danes, it just means she is a human being with some minor imperfections. I've been a royal fan for years and have followed up all the European royals and this feeling, based on what I see and read hasn't left me! Had Fred been a (even wealthy) Dane, Mary wouldn't have gone after him.

Well Mary wasn't in a position to "go after Fred." She met him by chance. It was his decision to visit her in Sydney after their initial meeting. Mary was working and probably wouldn't have that kind of money to pick up and go to Denmark and visit him. Mary didn't come from money, nobility or aristocracy. She certainly didn't have friends on the inside telling her how to act or what to do. I think she "worked her way into his heart" the way any girl does to the man who falls in love with her. If Mary had been someone already in Fred's circle then I might be inclined to think that she planned to trap him. Do I think she made the best of a lucky situation? Absolutely. But that shouldn't be confused with trickery and baiting.

ashelen 04-06-2008 11:20 PM

I belive that he is handsome and probably very charming and of course he is wery well educated, anywoman would fall for him but of course his money help too, so i am sure she was impress with all that, if he wasn't in this positio i wonder if she would have been living everything for him, and this goes for more of the new princess comming from being commoners!

Lakshmi 04-06-2008 11:41 PM

I think both took a role when Mary met Frederick. She met him by a chance, she fell in love with a man, but I believe that ,like most girls would in the same situation, she was charmed by meeting a prince.

Amelia 04-07-2008 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by ashelen (Post 750538)
I belive that he is handsome and probably very charming and of course he is wery well educated, anywoman would fall for him but of course his money help too, so i am sure she was impress with all that, if he wasn't in this positio i wonder if she would have been living everything for him, and this goes for more of the new princess comming from being commoners!

I think something that is important to remember when questioning if these women would have given up their careers, private lives etc if the men they were marrying weren't princes, is that the only reason they had to give these things up is because they were marrying princes. If they were just average men then there would have been no need for them to change so much about their lives in order to get married. It is easy to question if Mary would have given up her life in Australia if Frederick was not a Prince, well maybe if Frederick wasn't a prince he could of given up his life in Denmark and move to Australia but he is a prince and if they wanted to be together she had to move to Denmark. Just like it is easy to question if Letizia would have left her promising career in journalism if Felipe wasn't a prince well if he wasn't a prince there would of been no need for her to leave her job but he is a prince and if they wanted to be together then she had to give it up. The same goes for all the former commoners that are now princesses. These women gave up a lot to marry their princes but they also gained a lot and perhaps to them it was worth the sacrifice.

ashelen 04-07-2008 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Amelia (Post 750637)
I think something that is important to remember when questioning if these women would have given up their careers, private lives etc if the men they were marrying weren't princes, is that the only reason they had to give these things up is because they were marrying princes. If they were just average men then there would have been no need for them to change so much about their lives in order to get married. It is easy to question if Mary would have given up her life in Australia if Frederick was not a Prince, well maybe if Frederick wasn't a prince he could of given up his life in Denmark and move to Australia but he is a prince and if they wanted to be together she had to move to Denmark. Just like it is easy to question if Letizia would have left her promising career in journalism if Felipe wasn't a prince well if he wasn't a prince there would of been no need for her to leave her job but he is a prince and if they wanted to be together then she had to give it up. The same goes for all the former commoners that are now princesses. These women gave up a lot to marry their princes but they also gained a lot and perhaps to them it was worth the sacrifice.

Certenly I would not have any problem to live my life and do the "sacrificr" that this princes ex-commeners are doing today! it is really a "sacrifice" life, to live like them!!!!! i think most of the women would do that kind of "sicrifice"

Lumutqueen 04-07-2008 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Penny Royalty (Post 750517)
I think there is "Something About Mary." And I think Fred loves her for it. I like this thread because you can see many pictures of Mary prior to becoming the graceful future Queen we all admire and adore. I personally think they are happy from all I've seen. There seems to be a harmony and a show of liking from one to another. Mary and Fred seem balanced to each other forming a duet that we can only speculate to be enchanting and charming. I think they're doing fine and I would also like to say that from this thread I think Mary is bold from looking at her pictures prior to Fred. She seems to have spunk and that "it" called the libido. I think Fred made a lucky find. I hope they do waltz and dance off the night as a happy duet. Good luck to them.

I agree with you completely.
Your so right, the pair are extremly well suited for each other and they work in harmony and seem to love each other very much.
I do not think personally that Frederiks position or his wealth had anything to do with mary falling for him.
She doesn't seem that sort of person, the pair have lasted for 4 years know and they seem extremly happy and i do hope they last forever.
;)

auntie 04-08-2008 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by BurberryBrit (Post 750528)
Well Mary wasn't in a position to "go after Fred." She met him by chance. It was his decision to visit her in Sydney after their initial meeting. Mary was working and probably wouldn't have that kind of money to pick up and go to Denmark and visit him. Mary didn't come from money, nobility or aristocracy. She certainly didn't have friends on the inside telling her how to act or what to do. I think she "worked her way into his heart" the way any girl does to the man who falls in love with her. If Mary had been someone already in Fred's circle then I might be inclined to think that she planned to trap him. Do I think she made the best of a lucky situation? Absolutely. But that shouldn't be confused with trickery and baiting.

If I'm not mistaken Mary said in an interview that she and Fred exchanged email addresses at first and then they got to know each other ie: were freindly, and only after that a romantic relationship developed. I repeat, she was clever and well informed!

BurberryBrit 04-08-2008 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by ashelen (Post 750538)
I belive that he is handsome and probably very charming and of course he is wery well educated, anywoman would fall for him but of course his money help too, so i am sure she was impress with all that, if he wasn't in this positio i wonder if she would have been living everything for him, and this goes for more of the new princess comming from being commoners!

Actually plenty of people meet someone from another country and move to that country for love. It's not that unusual. You can find work anywhere. Your "big love" (as Mary says :biggrin:) does not come around everyday.

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Originally Posted by auntie (Post 751124)
If I'm not mistaken Mary said in an interview that she and Fred exchanged email addresses at first and then they got to know each other ie: were freindly, and only after that a romantic relationship developed. I repeat, she was clever and well informed!

No, that's common sense. I'm still not seeing the trickery and novel strategies that Mary used to land Fred. I've met many people in other countries and we keep in touch via the internet. It's nothing unusual.

auntie 04-08-2008 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by BurberryBrit (Post 751131)
No, that's common sense. I'm still not seeing the trickery and novel strategies that Mary used to land Fred. I've met many people in other countries and we keep in touch via the internet. It's nothing unusual.

I was just reacting to a post that implied that after the initial meeting Fred flew back to Sydney to meet her again, and that's how their relationship began, which according to Mary, after the night they met they first exchanged emails, communicated for a year or so and then commenced their relationship to a more personal romantic level, that was a very smart or well guided step to take as they got to know each other before they got involved. A step everyone should take, royal or common!

ashelen 04-08-2008 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by auntie (Post 751137)
I was just reacting to a post that implied that after the initial meeting Fred flew back to Sydney to meet her again, and that's how their relationship began, which according to Mary, after the night they met they first exchanged emails, communicated for a year or so and then commenced their relationship to a more personal romantic level, that was a very smart or well guided step to take as they got to know each other before they got involved. A step everyone should take, royal or common!

:flowers:I met myhusband by chance, just friends, we wrote eachtoehr for a year, after the letters arrive with rose petals inside, after phone calls, after presents, I was in southamerica, he in europe and aftr a year of letters i decide i would visit him in France 16 months later we were married in england in a castle! so without him being a prince, it was real fantasy romance like probably mary and fred!

BurberryBrit 04-08-2008 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by auntie (Post 751137)
I was just reacting to a post that implied that after the initial meeting Fred flew back to Sydney to meet her again, and that's how their relationship began, which according to Mary, after the night they met they first exchanged emails, communicated for a year or so and then commenced their relationship to a more personal romantic level, that was a very smart or well guided step to take as they got to know each other before they got involved. A step everyone should take, royal or common!

In her interview she stated that she and Fred were in contact via e-mail AND he came to Sydney very soon after their initial meeting on "business." It was NOT after a year of e-mails until the saw each other again so you are incorrect. It was within the space of a few weeks. From the interview with Mary by Ninka:

"We drove to a bar called "Slip-Inn", and it was there we met, then. It was a party of some Australians and two nephews of the Spanish king, plus Crown Prince Frederik and Prince Joachim, Prince Nikolaus of Greece and Princess Märta-Louise. I didn't new who they were. Half an hour later one my flatmates came up to me and asked" Do you know these people are prince this and princess that?". Of course we have Queen Elisabeth as head of state, but in many ways we are a kind of republic, we dodn't have royals in Australia, so it was kind of unusual to run into that kind of people. But aside from that it was quite ordinary. Frederik and I began to converse, and we simply didn't stop talking. And that was IT! A very long conversation, which continued over a year or rather 14 month. Next day he and his brother travelled to Melbourne. But a week later I met with him and his friends to a dinner. After that he travelled Australia for six weeks. When he came back we met again, but he was called back at home, because his grandmother was seriously ill. He was very affected by this and wanted to leave as quickly as possibly. We got one and a half day together, then, where we had hoped for a week to learn each other a little better."

As you can see, Mary and Fred did NOT go without seeing each other for a year while they wrote letters. They saw each other a week and then again soon after the first meeting.

Fashionista100 04-08-2008 08:06 PM

Why are we always so negative about other women? I would have left my country to live with someone who I was in love with. And we act like Fred was stupid or something. There is no lying or being stealthy on Mary or anyone elses part. Fine you don't like her. But why do people accuse Mary of such horrible things?

dee4855 04-08-2008 11:35 PM

I feel it is a true love match. They did not jump right into a marriage.

auntie 04-11-2008 02:27 AM

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Originally Posted by BurberryBrit (Post 751327)
In her interview she stated that she and Fred were in contact via e-mail AND he came to Sydney very soon after their initial meeting on "business." It was NOT after a year of e-mails until the saw each other again so you are incorrect. It was within the space of a few weeks. From the interview with Mary by Ninka:


As you can see, Mary and Fred did NOT go without seeing each other for a year while they wrote letters. They saw each other a week and then again soon after the first meeting.

Sorry for the mistake, yes they did see each other soon after that, but still on a friendly basis, Mary said on the documentary b4 her wedding that they were on friendly terms for a year or so, and got to know each other better, Mainly communicating by email untill their relationship took a different turn. The CP is doing a fabulous job and they look terribly happy, but why do some people just idolize her being a saint like Diana Princess of Wales, she is human like the rest of us and took to the situation very well!

ricarda 04-11-2008 03:46 AM

Who is idolizing Mary as being a saint?
And who thinks Diana was a saint?

BurberryBrit 04-11-2008 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by auntie (Post 752254)
Sorry for the mistake, yes they did see each other soon after that, but still on a friendly basis, Mary said on the documentary b4 her wedding that they were on friendly terms for a year or so, and got to know each other better, Mainly communicating by email untill their relationship took a different turn. The CP is doing a fabulous job and they look terribly happy, but why do some people just idolize her being a saint like Diana Princess of Wales, she is human like the rest of us and took to the situation very well!

Nothing that I posted referred to Mary as a saint. I'm not sure where that's coming from. I simply clarified that Mary was not in a position to trap Fred. Not only was she middle class (compared to some of his former girlfriends) but she was from a completely different culture and world. Fred's interest was obviously piqued which was why he came back so soon to see Mary. That's the only *baiting* that took place: Fred wooing Mary.

Helen88 04-12-2008 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by BurberryBrit (Post 750528)

Mary didn't come from money, nobility or aristocracy. She certainly didn't have friends on the inside telling her how to act or what to do.

The thing I wonder about is how she met him in the first place then. I know they met at a party but Mary was friends was the person who was friends with the Royals?

P.S.: Sorry, I hope this is not too off topic!

BurberryBrit 04-12-2008 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Helen88 (Post 752843)
The thing I wonder about is how she met him in the first place then. I know they met at a party but Mary was friends was the person who was friends with the Royals?

P.S.: Sorry, I hope this is not too off topic!

The night Mary met Fred, she was going to another party. But a friend of Mary's was invited to the Slip Inn by Bettina (I think). Bettina's sister was a friend of Juan Carlos' nephew. Instead of going with her original plans, she at the last moment went to the Slip Inn.

From the ninka interview:
"And how did I meet him, then? Yes, I lived together with four others in a big house. It was at the time of the Olympic games in Sidney, and one of my flatmates had been invited to take a few friends along to a bar to meet some spaniards, who participated in the games. As it happens, that evening I was in fact going to a kind of goodbye party at a friends place a couple of houses down the street, but when the taxi arrived I thought: "No, I change my mind and take with you!". A sudden decision taken in a split second. I think perhaps because I was the one who had lived in the house longest, and because it was the first time we were going out together."

auntie 04-13-2008 03:21 AM

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Originally Posted by BurberryBrit (Post 752536)
Nothing that I posted referred to Mary as a saint. I'm not sure where that's coming from. I simply clarified that Mary was not in a position to trap Fred. Not only was she middle class (compared to some of his former girlfriends) but she was from a completely different culture and world. Fred's interest was obviously piqued which was why he came back so soon to see Mary. That's the only *baiting* that took place: Fred wooing Mary.

You didn't imply that Mary was a saint, but there is a tendency of the CP's fans to avidly and ferociously protect her when anyone on this forums implies she might not be as perfect as she tries to behave. I, for one admire her, she works hard and seems to be a quality type of person, intelligent and well mannered. On the other hand I don't for one moment doubt that if Fred wasn't in the social and financial position he was it's highly unlikely she would have pursued the relationship after Sydney.

BurberryBrit 04-13-2008 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by auntie (Post 752942)
You didn't imply that Mary was a saint, but there is a tendency of the CP's fans to avidly and ferociously protect her when anyone on this forums implies she might not be as perfect as she tries to behave. I, for one admire her, she works hard and seems to be a quality type of person, intelligent and well mannered. On the other hand I don't for one moment doubt that if Fred wasn't in the social and financial position he was it's highly unlikely she would have pursued the relationship after Sydney.

And it's possible she may have. Many have done crazy things for love. Having a long distance relationship with someone from another county is the least, I'm sure.

MARG 04-18-2008 05:59 AM

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Originally Posted by BurberryBrit (Post 753114)
And it's possible she may have. Many have done crazy things for love. Having a long distance relationship with someone from another county is the least, I'm sure.

I agree, they sparked an interest in each other. I think that Mary would have been less inclined to marry "Fred" the prince as opposed to "Fred" the man. I think he had to work at it, or, to use his words, to "woo her". It is one thing to marry a man for wealth and position, but I should think that the "baggage" that came with CP "Fred" would be enough to put most people off. And, as Mary said, downunder Royalty is the BRF and they are a long way away. She wouldn't have overlooked the salutary lesson of the marriage debacle of Diana, Princess of Wales. And she did not marry out of her cultureal and socio-economic background!

Jo of Palatine 04-18-2008 06:20 AM

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Originally Posted by auntie (Post 752942)
On the other hand I don't for one moment doubt that if Fred wasn't in the social and financial position he was it's highly unlikely she would have pursued the relationship after Sydney.

How can you be so sure about that, I wonder? We know that they met and we know that they ended up married. That's facts. But how can anyone be sure that under different circumstances she would not have wanted him? He is a good looking guy, charming and surely he gives her the love she needs. These are characteristics that make many, many men likeable and marriageable all around the world - men who are no princes but definately no frogs either, men that end up married as well as the Crown prince of Denmark.

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Originally Posted by BurberryBrit (Post 751327)
When he came back we met again, but he was called back at home, because his grandmother was seriously ill. He was very affected by this and wanted to leave as quickly as possibly.

That's BTW exactly what happened with Charles and Diana. They met when Charles was trying to come to terms with the loss of his uncle Lord Mountbatten who had been murdered and Diana offered him much needed emotional support. They became friends through this and he decided Diana was the one to marry.

Same with Frederick. He mourned his grandmother and Mary supported him through phone calls, emails and later on meeting him again. Both Charles and Frederick met their wifes in a situation where they opened up and let them be consoled, then deciding that this girl was Miss Right. It's very understandible, IMHO. Though it seems Frederick really found a deep friendship as well as love while Charles had not been so lucky.

rosalee 04-30-2008 09:03 AM

Did Frederick ever say what it is about Mary which drew him in, initially?

Currier 04-30-2008 07:00 PM

Yes, rosalee, in Frederik's speech to Mary on their wedding day, he is quoted as saying," I had only been in Australia two days before our fates were sealed, even though neither of us was aware of it. But your radiance shone clearly for me from our first meeting. Since then I have been blinded and totally dependent on it." I take that to mean her smile, her gorgeous eyes, her charming manner, etc.

Camm2 05-16-2008 05:40 AM

I long for the simpler days when an Aussie sheila would conk someone she was interested in over the head with a cricket bat and drag him back to her lair.

Odette 06-22-2008 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Camm2 (Post 766401)
I long for the simpler days when an Aussie sheila would conk someone she was interested in over the head with a cricket bat and drag him back to her lair.

That would have made for huge headlines across the world...........LOL
Mary conks Fred over the head with a cricket bat and drags him back to her lair.........

janine1984 06-23-2008 08:13 AM

Sydney lass plays lady in waiting - theage.com.au

Joining the discussion were a couple of flirtatious Australian women, who started debating whether hairy or hairless was sexier. One was Beatrice Tarnawski, whose sister was a friend of the nephew of the king of Spain. Ms Tarnawski happened to invite her friend Andrew Miles and his flatmate along for a beer and pizza on that first night of the Games.
The flatmate was Mary Donaldson, a vivacious brown- eyed former law student from Tasmania who had spent the past seven years living in Sydney's eastern suburbs.
It was Ms Tarnawski who got the discussion going, and at one point all the women in the group were rubbing their common hands over the very princely torsos to compare which was the more sensual.

"All the girls around the table were discussing what is best, the man with a hairy chest or a man without hair, and the princes were wearing open shirts," said Ms Tarnawski.
"We were allowed to touch Prince Frederik and Prince Nikolaos. I liked Prince Frederik best because he was so smooth. Prince Nikolaos had a lot of hair and that really wasn't my type."
Ms Donaldson, too:-), liked the hairless Crown Prince Frederik and they partied on into the night. But it was the common interests of the prince and Ms Donaldson, particularly horses and a sense of sporting adventure, that drew them together.

Muhler 01-25-2011 06:20 AM

Mary and Frederik, Before they got Engaged
 
I have been unable to find such a thread anywhere, so here we go.

This is a story about Mary and Frederik on a private holiday, before their relationship let alone engagement, was known.

Billed Bladet #13, 2007-03-29.

Mary og Frederiks hemmelige paradis – Mary and Frederik’s secret paradise.

- “Your Crown Prince and his girlfriend were here before they were officially engaged”, says Buddy.
He is sitting under the sign with “Buddy’s rest”, wearing dark blue jeans, pink and newly-ironed shirt and a light cowboy-hat. The big square-built man is half aborigini (?) and an institution here – some would use the expression an attraction. Buddy Tyson was a rodeo-champion at El Questro in the 60’s, until the unlucky combination of accidents and too far to the hospital ended the fun. Later he worked as a cowboy and bull-catcher at El Questro, but he has also done his bit of turning the old cattle-station into a dazzling holiday hotel in the super-luxury-class.
We hang out at the end of the day each with a can of beer outside the store and bar The Swinging Arm at El Questro Station Township – a small blessed place in the vast outback of Western Australia.
- “Yep”, says the park-ranger Pete Brown.
- “I drove Fred and Mary from our little landing-strip out to the Homestead. None of us had any idea who they were – that happened only months later, when one saw a picture of them in a magazine. He signed himself in as Fred Jensen”, grins Buddy.

- “We were aware they were something special, because they constantly dragged two expressionless men around. The men clearly were uncomfortable the day Frederik and Mary went for a helicopter-ride and they couldn’t be in the same helicopter. They demanded a helicopter more at the disposal of the bodyguards, but we couldn’t get that….”.
- “That was in the last week of October 2002 and we were starting to shut down for the season…. On one of the days Fred and Mary were here, a thunderstorm swept across, a lightning ignited some shrubbery nearby and started a minor bushfire, which kept an eye on. Normally that sort of fires extinguish themselves, but after a couple of days it got closer to Homestead and we called them and warned them. When we got there ourselves the staff was in full swing – even the Crown Prince walked around with a garden-hose, from which only a measly squirt of water came out. But we managed to extinguish the fire….”.
The seed to El Questro was laid when a couple of men back in 1903 made a shed of boards and called it Spurling’s Pocket. Just three years later the handed over the humble cattle-station to others who again after three years couldn’t pay the mortgages. To breed cattle in the arid and sparsely vegetation of the wasteland was a tough and uncertain business and the cattle-station changed owners many times throughout the years. Neighbouring areas as Wild Dog and Moonlight Valley was added to Spurling’s Pocket.
Only in 1958 did the estate get the name El Questro. The Spanish-sounding name makes no sense, but it’s said that the owner – inspired by western-magazines – invented the name in a state of intoxication.
El Questro kept changing owners until a young enthusiastic married couple in 1991 took over the derelict buildings and began the creation of a dream of offering paying guests a comfortable oasis in the middle of the nature sceneries of the wilderness.
El Questro’s derelict main-building Homestead was located not near the cattle-station but three kilometres at the end of the dirt-road – on the outermost cliff-edge of Chamberlain Gorge with a picturesque view over the gorge where the rivers Pentecost and Chamberlain meet.
The new owners drew and build a new Homestead and a new wing was added with six suites, where excessive spoiling was part of the package for the guests.
Last but not least they made roads to the spectacular sceneries of nature. Tourists began to hear about El Questro Wilderness Park at one million acres. Some drove there, others flew.
In the spring of 2005 the sold their beloved El Questro to one of Australia’s largest tour and hotel-operators, Voyages, who specialises in remote luxurious holiday resorts.
Homestead is today the pearl of El Questro. On three sides surrounded by well-cared green lawns with exotic trees – the fourth lined by the gorge where Chamberlain River throughout millions of years have sanded it’s way down to the bedrock.

The prominent guests fly here – from Sydney, Melbourne, Darwin and Perth. Here they are received by the host-couple Laurie and Al, who with the help from eight employees nurse and spoil the guests.
The main-building is a big square communal-building without interior walls and with a network of visible rafts holding the roof. The huge room with panorama-windows have been divided into bar, library, dining, TV and rest-sections and with a lowered couch-area in front of the open fireplace. Giant terracotta-jars and Indonesian antiqueties divide and adorn the loveliness, from where there is access to a shady veranda.
The building-materials are primarily local nature, just as the earth-colours ochre, ginger and henna seems to make the surrounding landscape continue indoors.
The largest suite is with its roofed veranda built over the edge of the cliff. From the bathroom there is access to the veranda where a white enamel bathtub wit lions-feet offer a rare opportunity for an outdoor bath with a refined view over passing crocodiles in the river, deep down.
Alternatively there is, as an oasis in the oasis, a swimming pool circled by palms and jacuzzi in a corner of the park towards the cliffs edge – the perfect place to have your sparkling champagne served after a tennis-match.
All activities and guided tours on El Questro (minus the helicopter-based) are part of the basic price, and you can at dinner opt to dine with the other guests at Homestead or look your sweetheart in the eyes over a romantic dinner for two on the ledge of the cliff. The gorge is in the evening lit by spotlights and the park is lit by torches, while the sky is a hanging sea of stars. This is typically a place where men propose to their sweethearts. Was it here Frederik proposed to his Mary?

El Questro Wilderness Park measures 60 by 80 kilometres – that is nearly the size of Funen. Out here where size matters, there are more than one hundred kilometres to Kununurra, which is the nearest small town.
There is nothing more erroneous to believe that there is nothing to do in the vast outback. You can walk, drive, sail, ride and fly just for fun or for being transported to the many sceneries of the park.
Most at Station Township arrive here in their own off-roaders and can drive to the spectacular gorges – all have waterfalls or warm springs and a fantastic vegetation. Other routes that require off-road-experience goes to Cockburn Range, Pigeon Hole and Saddleback Ridge with breathless views and unforgettable sunsets.
“Must sees” are Champagne and Zebedee Springs – a series of natural, 32 degrees C warm springs of rainwater, which decades ago seeped down into the subterranean caves, where the heat of the ground now heats the water and under pressure send it back to the surface of the ground, The hot and mineral-rich water is basic of life for a lush tropical vegetation of palms, bamboo and ferns – a true Garden of Eden and the most beautiful bathroom in the world.
- “Miss Donaldson wasn’t very keen on jumping into the water, but I said she would regret it if she didn’t do it”, smiles the park-ranger, who was tasked to show the couple around.
- “She indeed looked like she enjoyed it, but the boyfriend didn’t want to – and no, I have no pictures”, ends Pete Brown with a big smile.
When saying goodbye he tells that the superstar Kylie Minoque is the next famous guest coming.

Very well written by Anders Nielsen, who I believe is freelance and perhaps a travel-writer.

To me Western Australia, of which I must confess I know next to nothing, is just as romantic, strange, exciting and adventurous as Greenland must be to many Australians.

Muhler 01-25-2011 07:00 AM

Excerpt from the book: Frederik – Kronprins af Danmark.

Part of pages 166-167.

When they after a couple of days turn the Toyota Landcruiser around in order to drive through the rainforest down towards Cooktown, Frederik turn on the mobile several times and hope for a connection. Finally after many hours of difficult driving there is hole through to Mary and he tells about the sight of the sea turtles, the sharks, the crocodiles and tells (her) that he miss her. A Frederik in love promise that the two of them will see each other again in a couple of days and then Frederik will stay for about a week in Sydney before going home to Denmark. But Frederik has hardly finished the conversation before his mobile ring and on the display he recognise Queen Margrethe’s phone number.
- “My mother called and told that grandmother (mormor) had become weaker and that I should think about coming home as quickly as possible. Mormor had lived out her life. (*) And then we drove for 24 hours to Sydney in one go and only stopped to fill up with gas on the way. Mary and I had talked about that we should see each other as much as possible in the last days before I was to fly home. I phoned Mary and told that my mormor was dying and that I had to go home earlier than expected. Mary was of course disappointed but she immediately understood the seriousness and did all she could in the situation to support me”.

With the gas pedal nailed to the floor Frederik and Jeppe drive the more than 2.000 kilometres back with a cloud of dust behind them and Crown Prince’ two tired bodyguards trailing behind. Frederik and Jeppe take turns behind the wheel while the other sleep. Finally they get there.

The last evening in the city Frederik and Mary go out for dinner. Just the two of them. Frederik tells about his experiences up north. About the dives at Great Barrier Reef, where the diving instructor’s jaws drop when Jeppe and Frederik say that they both have more than 300 dives under their belts. The instructors think that the Danes are pulling their legs, because they fumble with their civilian diving equipment and put air-tanks and tubes together wrongly. They call Frederik and Jeppe daft cowboys, until they see the two Danish frogmen in the water. Frederik tells about the snakes on the camping sites where Jeppe and he spend the nights and about the rainforest at Cape York. And about his close relationship to his mormor, Queen Ingrid.
- “Then I promised Mary that I would return. She probably thought that this is a pledge he gives to all of them. But I knew deep inside that I would return. The next day I flew back five days before scheduled in the hope of getting home to my mormor”.

No matter whether the flight from Sydney to Copenhagen go via Singapore or Bangkok it’s 24 hours of exhausting travel across several continents and oceans and with plenty of time to let the thoughts run free. Frederik see Mary and mormor in front of him. A big live-giving love for Mary has grown within him and at the same time he is losing his beloved mormor. The Crown Prince so dearly wish to see his mormor again and to take a proper leave with the indispensable support of his childhood and youth.
And he gets home. Frederik drive directly from Copenhagen airport to Fredensborg Slot in order to be with Queen Ingrid in Kancellihuset. They get the quiet morning together alone. Frederik visits his mormor again in the afternoon and also later in the evening.
The next day the ninety years old Queen dies. On Tuesday 7th November 2000 a chapter in Denmark’s history ends. And one of the most important people in Frederik’s life is gone.
- “I actually didn’t tell mormor about Mary. But I knew with myself that it didn’t matter. Because many years ago she told me – very calmly and sweet – that she knew that she wouldn’t meet my chosen one, but she also knew that I would find the right one. As mormor said with that particular calmness and the overview that was hers. So it wasn’t like I felt that I should have whispered as one of the last things that I had met the woman in my life. I wasn’t annoyed about it. Even though I had it in the back of my mind. I didn’t say it – but I think she knew”.
After the burial of Queen Ingrid in Roskilde Cathedral on 14th November Frederik spend the winter-dark nights phoning or mailing Mary in Australia. Get to know her, explore her from a distance of 18.000 kilometres. For every phonecall, every mail and every letter he falls more in love.

(*) Very difficult to translate directly. “Mormor var mæt af dage = Mormor’s life was saturated/full”, is the closest thing I can come to a direct translation. An old expression meaning something like: That you have lived your life and it’s time to leave. – Substitute with an expression in your own languages.

Ahh! Wasn’t that sweet?

stellad 01-25-2011 07:07 AM

Thanks Muhler but can we have some more please?

Muhler 01-25-2011 07:08 AM

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Originally Posted by stellad (Post 1197255)
Thanks Muhler but can we have some more please?

You are welcome, StellaD :smile: (Nice to see you).

I'm looking into it. Will have to write it down first though.

missjane 01-25-2011 07:41 AM

I actually remember reading ( somewhere, who knows) that they had visited El Questro before Mary moved overseas. I cannot for the life of me remember where though. It might have been in the paper. But all the extra info is really interesting.( thanks Muhler!)

eliz 01-25-2011 07:57 AM

what an amazing love story!
from the information that can be gathered, it seems a very good combination of immediate physical attraction (that night at the pub) and getting to know each other in depth and at a physical distance.

Muhler 01-25-2011 08:05 AM

Excerpts from the chapter: Kærlighed – Love, from the book Frederik, Crown Prince of Denmark.
Written by Gitte Redder & Karin Palshøj.

(About meeting Mary for the first time).
Frederik: “I really suffered from jet-lag and I was really burned out after finishing a demanding training as a pilot back home. And then I land in Australia, where everybody is very fond of sports and enthusiastic about sports. Sydney was just in party-mood, and everyone was in town to follow the events and cheer the athletes. We quickly got embroiled in the party-commotion and one of my Greek cousins arranged for him and me to go out dining with some of our other cousins, (*) who were also there to see the games. Some locals would join us. Mary was one of them”.

Already the day after, after way too little sleep, Frederik feels that he must contact Mary again. Test, whether this was just a fun night on the town or whether it was more than that.
“I called first. There was something special about that girl, I felt, and she wasn’t dismissive either, when I called. So we actually met several times during the Olympic Games and got to know each other better and better.
When Jeppe (Handwerk) and I were ready for our long planned drive north along the Australian coast to Cape York, she waved goodbye. And I actually called Mary all the time. As often as I could and where there was a signal. I couldn’t help it”.

(After having returned to DK, after the death of Queen Ingrid).
That winter at home in Denmark, Frederik’s phone bills also become abnormal, because he constantly call long-distance to Mary. And convince her over time, that he really is serious about his pledge to visit her. That he will return at the beginning of the new year.
“I really felt that it was a soul mate. I was drawn to Mary on all fronts. It was fantastic. The beginning was a bit secretive, but very beautiful. If you are to visualize it, it was almost like a summer landscape in moonlight. Tranquil water in a small pond and lots of kindness and beauty. It is like describing a landscape bathed in moonlight. This is how I remember her from the first meeting and it gets better and better, more and more beautiful”. To this day Frederik speaks with a tenderness in his eyes that leaves no one in doubt that his is still smitten/crazy about his Mary.

To the Crown Prince it’s decisive that more than a year passes before the press gets wind of the romance.
“It was enormously good that the press didn’t discover anything and that our love (**) could develop. There were obstacles enough as it was. Not least the distance. But the year that passed before we decided that something drastic/radical had to happen, we had to ourselves. It was exciting and a really good test to see whether we really wanted each other. Several months passed between us meeting each other. It was hard. It was really hard to live with that want. (***) But it was also obvious that for the last month up to our next meeting, we could almost no longer cope with the want any longer. Then the dame came, where I flew down to her, or she came to France. Then we rejuvenated that happiness, joy and love and much more. And then we separated and it was terrible to go apart again. It was really a thriller (a shocker). But it was also a good test of our love. Because it quickly dawned on us, that it wasn't just a blinding crush in connection with the Olympics, which had to recede. Neither of us thought so.
It was easier for me to go to Australia than for Mary to go to Denmark. In Sydney there wasn’t a great interest in me, because I’m no movie star or rock star – and it wasn’t like you were shadowed. During that year we fortunately had some peace to tend to ourselves”.

More later. This book is very easy to translate. It has a good “rhythm”.

(*) Fætre and kusiner.

(**) DK-lesson:
Forelskelse = in love. The initial crush you go through. Some are fortunate enough to remain in love throughout their lives. For most it (hopefully) develops into something deeper; love.
So that next stage is called: kærlighed = love, in Danish.

(***) Really missing each other.

CrownPrincess5 01-25-2011 09:17 AM

Fred Jensen...nice:lol:
Nice stories....I wanted to cry after reading one of them:( Thanx Muhler:flowers:

Muhler 01-25-2011 10:02 AM

Continuation.

The undiscovered dates between the Crown Prince and Mary takes place in Porter Street, where Mary lives with others in a charming post-Victorian townhouse from the 1920’s. The quiet Porter Street with the dense rows of Eucalyptus trees, which are so characteristic for Australia, become a haven and hiding place for Mary and Frederik. Here they can ride by bicycle down to the famous Bondi Beach in just a little under ten minutes, go for a swim and end the day with a barbeque on the beach or the local specialty, pizza with pumpkin.
Mary meets Frederik on her home-turf and gets to know him as if he was any other young man. In the unpretentious commune everybody take turn cleaning, cooking and washing up, and Fred, as he is simply known by Mary’s friends, impress the other with his skills as a cook and don’t mind flagging the dishtowels. Frederik is also introduced to two of Mary’s very best fiends. The mate from her youth and college mate from Tasmania, Hamish Campbell, who later becomes godfather for the little Prince Christian. And the (female) friend Amber Petty, whom Mary knows from Melbourne.
In Sydney Frederik and Mary also spend a lot of time together with the Australian sail-sportsman and real estate manager Chris Meehan and his Danish girlfriend and now wife (formal word), the sail-sportswoman Michaela Ward. The Danish-Australian double romance remains undiscovered by the Danish press, even though it involves an unmarried Crown Prince above the age of 30.
The two couples go sailing together and Chris Meehan and Frederik establish a close friendship. When Frederik visits Sydney, he picks up his sweetheart (*) at Belle Property, where Mary as sales director often works long hours. But the employees don’t know that Mary’s sweetheart is a genuine Crown Prince, and neither Mary nor Chris disclose that.
“Frederik also spend a lot of time with some of my friends. I didn’t think it was necessary to tell, neither my employees, nor my acquaintances exactly who he was. And I’m convinced Frederik enjoyed that freedom it was to be perceived as everybody else”, tells Chris Meehan.

During 2001 Frederik and Mary also go on a couple of holidays alone. (**) Mary borrows summer cottages by some friends and abducts Frederik to Australian scenic gems of nature.
“During one of my visits we lived in a small cottage almost up at the border to Queensland, where the climate is sub-tropical, lush and very, very beautiful. During a second visit Mary took me south of Sydney to a beautiful house, next to the beach. We went for long walks along the water, cooked good meals – or rather I cooked, because Mary isn’t that good at it – then we also really got to know each other. It was about laughing and talking, and getting further out into the bush, in regards to each other. Be present for each other”.
The secret love-vacations in Australia are remembered by Frederik down to the last detail. And as Frederik puts it himself, he made no fuss in telling Mary about the Danish Royal House, and what it takes to be a crown princess in the oldest monarchy in the world.
“Not al all. It was more the joy and innocence. She naturally knew who I was. I don’t know how much she had checked me out on the Net – but certainly not enough to find the horror-scenarios. We didn’t talk much about how it was at home and how our parents were, and where we came from. It was more funny things, loving things, as it is in the beginning of a great relationship of love. That thing being in love (***) is being build up. It was really lovely. Innocent, but totally in love. We took very much care of each other and of ourselves. We weren’t to show too much, how much it meant, (****) even though we couldn’t hide how fond we were for each other”.
Frederik smiles a little shy/awkward at the memory of the difficult act of balance it was to show your love and at the same time hide it, in order not to be too vulnerable.

The love for Mary grows during the first year. Frederik feels a depth, a seriousness and obviousness in regards to his feelings for Mary, which he has never experienced before. He is completely without doubt as to the character of his love.
“It was just everything about her, that I was drawn to. What it was exactly is difficult to say, when I love my wife (informal word) as I do. In the beginning it was her eyes and relatively deep voice and then Mary is an exciting person, but also very responsive”.
In October 2001 Frederik again goes to Sydney in order to enjoy both Mary and the Australian Spring. For thirteen months they have known each other and during Frederik’s two weeklong visits, they decide that Mary should go to Europe. It’s simply unsustainable for the couple in love to settle with seeing each other so rarely. Now their love must pass the big test. To Mary it’s a decision with big consequences to break up from her family, friends and job, but none of them are in doubt that it’s the right thing, when they kiss goodbye on Friday the 9th November 2001.
It will be the last anonymous date between the two of them in Australia. After more than a year’s secret romance the Danish press corps have finally gone into action. Who will be the first in revealing the identity of the sweetheart of the Crown Prince?
Less than flattering methods are used. The gossip magazines sales rise proportionally with royal romance and that’s why Se & Hør (*****) Billed Bladet put everything in on being the first with the news. Already in September 2001 Se & Hør reveals, to the undivided amusement of Frederik, that his new girlfriend is Belinda Stowell and that she is a gold-medallist at the Olympics in Sydney. After decades with the constant attention of the press, the Crown Prince knows it’s only a matter of days or weeks, before the revelation comes, but he and Mary has had a years solid lead ahead of the Danish weeklies and still enjoy being able to stroll around in Sydney without curious glances.
That changes three days after Frederik returned home. When Mary Donaldson Monday the 12th November in the late afternoon leaves her office at Belle Property, Anna Johannesen, the Billed Bladet Journalist is waiting for her and asks whether she is the sweetheart of the Crown Prince.
“No comments”, replies Mary Donaldson. But a photographer is snapping away and Thursday that same week, Mary ends up on the cover of Billed Bladet, which thereby lives up to it’s slogan: “Denmark’s Royal Weekly”. In one go Mary Donaldson in Belle Property becomes famous in Denmark. The peace and anonymity vanish forever. Her workplace is put under siege by photographers and journalists, yes, a Danish gossips weekly hire an Australian free-lance journalist to empty Mary’s waste bins in order to get a look into the shopping habits of the sweetheart of the Crown Prince.
But Mary and Frederik have made up their minds and Mary hands over the lease contract for Porter Street to her roommate Andrew Miles, packs and move initially to Paris. Closer to Frederik. Now it’ll become a weekend-relationship.

More later.

(*) May this charming word never vanish from the English language.

(**) With the usual anonymous gentlemen trailing behind.

(***) Forelskelsen = the initial stages of love. See also note in previous post. – You English speakers really need a few more words in your language… :tongue:

(****) No, lest you scare her away.

(*****) Which in 2001 still treated its victims, let alone the readers with some respect.

Sternchen 01-25-2011 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Muhler (Post 1197314)
In Sydney Frederik and Mary also spend a lot of time together with the Australian sail-sportsman and real estate manager Chris Meehan and his Danish girlfriend and now wife (formal word), the sail-sportswoman Michaela Ward. The Danish-Australian double romance remains undiscovered by the Danish press, even though it involves an unmarried Crown Prince above the age of 30.
The two couples go sailing together and Chris Meehan and Frederik establish a close friendship. When Frederik visits Sydney, he picks up his sweetheart (*) at Belle Property, where Mary as sales director often works long hours. But the employees don’t know that Mary’s sweetheart is a genuine Crown Prince, and neither Mary nor Chris disclose that.
“Frederik also spend a lot of time with some of my friends. I didn’t think it was necessary to tell, neither my employees, nor my acquaintances exactly who he was. And I’m convinced Frederik enjoyed that freedom it was to be perceived as everybody else”, tells Chris Meehan.

To me it sounds like Mary worked for Belle Property even before she got to know Fred :smile:

Kataryn 01-25-2011 12:43 PM

Thank you so much Muhler for posting this very interesting report. We already had Mary's interviews and its so nice to see how fond both have been for the first steps in their relationship. I'll never forget the moment when Frederick saw his beautiful bride for the first time in her wedding finery and how absolutely adorable he was with this happiness beaming from him. Ah, and I'm one of the group who thinks that his brother Joachim's joy on seeing his beautiful bride Marie in church was as genuine as Frederick's. :flowers:

ashelen 01-25-2011 01:24 PM

wow, how exciting to know alll that, anyone has that first cover of her in Bulled Bladet? thank you so much for the translations1

Sternchen 01-25-2011 01:45 PM

Here it is :smile:

https://www.hola.com/famosos/2001/11/...imgs/din2a.jpg

ashelen 01-25-2011 02:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sternchen (Post 1197422)

Thank you so much, I never saw it before, she looks quite upset! and what a different look!

Muhler 01-25-2011 03:02 PM

My ladies, it's my pleasure. :smile:
And Kataryn, you are in the group, that noticed Joachim go: Wow! When he saw our Marie for the first time.

Continued.

Already after some months in Paris, Mary Donaldson moves to Copenhagen in the spring of 2002. She gets a job a project consultant at the it-giant Microsoft in Northern Zealand and tries to live as normal a life as possible. (She) Explores her new city from the saddle of a bicycle and buy groceries at Irma. (1)

“It was good that Mary could stay here in this country as Miss Donaldson, lived in her own apartment and had a fine job. I was also busy in the military with a leadership education, (2) so we each had our things to get up for in the morning. We kissed each other in the morning (3) and again in the evening. That entire process was fantastic and again – we didn’t try to rush things. Mary should experience Denmark, the Danes and me, and in many ways she got her own life and network and could go around at Strøget, (4) without anyone spotting her. She was to get to know her country from below and not from the top. We had an everyday-life and build each other up for something, we both felt became better and better. We didn’t directly speak about wedding, but we felt we were aiming for something. We laid down the keel, as if we were to build a ship and kept on building more and more all the time, so that the boat could float at some point.
It was lovely to have that opportunity to develop us together in my country. It was really the right way to go. It isn’t all a rose garden for someone like us to attract a future partner. Say: Here you go, we are sweethearts, you have to go to Denmark – I can’t leave my country, you can leave yours”.

Asked directly as to whether he during the first years of them being in love, before the official engagement, thought about whether Mary would be able to handle the difficult and demanding role as crown princess, whether he at any point examined her, Frederik replies at once and unmistakably: “No”!
“It was all about me being crazy/infatuated with that girl, she was my sweetheart. It would be too speculative for me, if I said that I have already selected her for becoming crown princess and to be manipulated in that direction. I really didn’t think like that at all. I thought about what was best for her, and how we could have the best time in Denmark. It succeeded – and if you really want it, and we did, and I in particular, then you can get some time together. In stead of saying: Oh, it’s never possible to go outside, because the press is ready – and it’s here, there and everywhere (5), because then it’s the press who decide our relationship, and that must not be. If you are wild about a girl, then being in love is fortunately way above practical and material considerations. So yes, it was really big”, determines Frederik and reject again that he at any point made a sober assessment at whether Mary was suitable or not as the future crown princess and queen of Denmark.
“But, when you are in love and engaged – and we are still in love – that’s not what decides it. Speaking for myself, if you have a good/solid/adequate experience of life, sensibility and intuition, I don’t have to see and look at her and assess whether she can fit in, in an official function and handle the pressure. You are just pleased that you get something from each other, every day you are together”.

(During 2002 and 2003 the press is tripping from impatience, but M&F will not rush things).

In January 2003 Frederik and Mary travel to Tasmania. The Crown Prince to take part in the world championships in sailing a two-man sailing boat competition (6) with his boat Nanoq. Mary to a loving family visit and play with those nieces and nephews she haven’t seen during that year she has now lived in France and Denmark. At the quay at the port in Mary’s hometown, Hobart, the love-smitten couple for the first time kisses in public. It’s really just as kiss on the cheek, but it becomes a sensation in Denmark. Its like Mary has kissed not only Frederik, but also the entire kingdom and again and again the kiss on the cheek is shown in slow replay on several TV-channels. Editorials are even written about it. Such a kiss commits! (7)
“This time it’s a sure thing. The public kiss on Tasmania was the final seal. A crown Prince cannot run away from that unpunished. The timing was perfect, if not a feat of diplomatic proves by the Crown Prince. He is on Tasmania, the homeland of Mary Donaldson. He cannot publish the engagement here. That naturally has to happen at home in Denmark. But as a gesture, he could here in the hometown of Mary Donaldson, for the first time publicly call her his sweetheart. The next step was the photo session at the harbor, to which he had invited (the press), and where the young ones sealed the connection with the kiss A future king cannot have a photo like that lying around in photo archives all over the world, if he intends to choose another one as his future queen sometime. So what on the face of it could look like an innocent summer-greeting down there on Tasmania, was really the dress rehearsal for that engagement, which must soon be at hand”, writes Jyllands Posten in an editorial on 21st January 2003. (8)

The Crown Prince explains that the famous kiss on the cheek on the quay in Hobart wasn’t carefully planned – neither to get some peace, nor to signal that it was to be them.
As soon as he put his foot on Tasmanian soil, Frederik noted that there was an incredibly lot of Danish press present. “And not to cover the world championships in racing, mind you”, he laughs.
“We were not out to hide or flee or pretend we didn’t know each other. And the harbor was a public place, so we might just as well kiss each other anyway – and then the press will use that as they will. Why should I put restrictions on myself, when she whom I love is standing next to me, and why should I pretend we’ve only just met and avoid kissing. Then the press could interpret the kiss, as they wanted. But it’s a classic seaman thing to do. When the seaman go out, the wives and later the children where standing to bid farewell and kiss goodbye, because it might be the last kiss. It became so for many seamen, because many never returned. It’s a good thing to kiss. One ought to kiss each other more than you do. Kiss on the cheek, when you leave each other when you leave each other in the morning and say: Have a nice day, and again when you come home. Kiss good day/hello and ask: Have you had a nice day? It’s a natural thing to do”. (9)

The proposal tomorrow.

(1) A supermarket chain.

(2) Presumably as a staff officer.

(3) Meaning that she de facto had moved in with Frederik, even though she officially had her own apartment.

(4) The main pedestrian and shopping street in Copenhagen. Tourist trap!

(5) They seek them here, they seek them there.
Those reporters seek them everywhere.
Are they in heaven or are they in… Sorry, got carried away.

(6) Sorry, don’t know what this type of boat is called in English. Doesn’t matter though.

(7) The authors are not exaggerating!

(8) Jyllands Posten is DK’s largest newspaper. It’s a serious newspaper, which doesn’t deal that much in the DRF. Even less back then.

(9) Cannot agree more!

Duke of Marmalade 01-25-2011 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Muhler (Post 1197450)
Already after some months in Paris, Mary Donaldson moves to Copenhagen in the Spring of 2002.

Thanks Muhler. Do we have any information about Mary's time in Paris? I've never seen any information about what she did there / pictures / French language skills from that time.

eliz 01-25-2011 03:30 PM

first of all, thanks muhker for the beautiful translation!
then... wow, pretty damn romantic our frederik, isn'he? has mary's side of the story been published someplace? e.g. what didi she think when she realized he was not frederik from danemark but THE frederik, crown prince et caetera? or how hard was it to her to leave her family and country, or to face the press?

Sternchen 01-25-2011 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Duke of Marmalade (Post 1197451)
Thanks Muhler. Do we have any information about Mary's time in Paris? I've never seen any information about what she did there / pictures / French language skills from that time.

She was teaching english at that time :smile:

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I første halvår af 2002, efter en beslutning om at ville flytte til Europa, arbejdede Kronprinsessen i en kort periode i Paris, hvor hun underviste i engelsk på en engelsk erhvervssprogskole.
https://kongehuset.dk/publish.php?dog..._familien_mary

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In the first half of 2002, after taking the decision to move to Europe, Crown Princess Mary worked for a short period in Paris, where she taught English at a Business English School.
https://kongehuset.dk/publish.php?dogtag=k_en_fam_mary

Duke of Marmalade 01-25-2011 03:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sternchen (Post 1197456)

Thanks Sternchen but I meant apart from the official biography promoted by the Royal House that will include the usual airbrush that can be found in almost any royal biography ;)

Muhler 01-25-2011 04:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Duke of Marmalade (Post 1197465)
Thanks Sternchen but I meant apart from the official biography promoted by the Royal House that will include the usual airbrush that can be found in almost any royal biography ;)

Very little in fact.

I recall a few articles about Mary in Paris. That she did indeed teach English but how much and where, I can't remember.
The Danish press tried to follow her, but not much came out of that. - How interesting (not mention expensive) is it to follow a young woman around Paris to and from work or shopping for groceries?
And Mary was after all just the latest of a number of girlfriends Frederik had been associated with.

Duke of Marmalade 01-25-2011 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Muhler (Post 1197468)
Very little in fact.

I recall a few articles about Mary in Paris. That she did indeed teach English but how much and where, I can't remember.
The Danish press tried to follow her, but not much came out of that. - How interesting (not mention expensive) is it to follow a young woman around Paris to and from work or shopping for groceries?
And Mary was after all just the latest of a number of girlfriends Frederik had been associated with.

Yes, there were rumours that at least in the beginning of the relationship with Mary Frederik was still with his then-girlfriend, cant recall her name.

T4phage 01-25-2011 04:48 PM

Bettina Odum I think it was.

ashelen 01-25-2011 09:25 PM

tusind tak Muhler! IT IS SO ROMANTIC! sometimes i think all thei men full of money and power just want a pretty girl for the moment and some fun and next day they dont remeber the pretty girl but it is amazing to listen him to talk like any other communer man in love! just a pleasure, he must be an amazing person, wish I could meet him!

missjane 01-25-2011 09:46 PM

This is a true love story, nothing made up or phoney here.

Duchess of Durham 01-25-2011 10:18 PM

Thank you, Muhler, for translating and sharing Mary and Fredrick's love story. I love reading their story. Married couples should be in love, even royal couples. Mary and Fredrick are most certainly in love.

:heart::heart::heart::in_love::in_love::in_love::in_love:

T4phage 01-25-2011 10:23 PM

Has Mary ever said anything like this about Frederik? It just seems like whenever we read things like this, it's always Frederik saying romantic things about Mary.

But I've no doubt that the two of them are very much in love even after all this time.

csw 01-25-2011 11:34 PM

Sigh - such a beautiful story! Thank you Muhler. Can you elaborate for me on the distinction between the formal and informal words for wife and how they are used?

Thank you friend.

Susanna Wynne 01-26-2011 12:45 AM

Muhler's Story
 
How wondrously kind of you to provide these translations, Muhler! I am still quite new to TRF and simply stumbled across this thread.

It is a lovely story. May they have many happy years ahead of them! And I wish them well, because their life will be challenging...

stellad 01-26-2011 02:46 AM

Thanks so much Muhler. Do you know whether this book was ever made available in English? Can't seem to remember.

Muhler 01-26-2011 02:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by csw (Post 1197588)
Sigh - such a beautiful story! Thank you Muhler. Can you elaborate for me on the distinction between the formal and informal words for wife and how they are used?

Thank you friend.

You are most welcome, all of you :smile:

The informal word for wife = kone, is also the most commonly used. Especially on an everyday basis. It would be considered somewhat posh of me if I were to refer to my wife, using the formal word. Or people might think I'm joking.
The formal word = hustru, is used at more solemn occasions or in official letters directed to me/us, or when referring to my wife, at say a public office or elsewhere where formal address is expected.
Recieving an official letter which is using the informal word for wife, would be considered impolite and/or a bit too familiar.

There are no longer formal or informal words for husband. A husband is simply a mand.

There is a formal, gender neutral word for a married spouse = ægtefælle, which is also very commonly used in official letters.

So to sum up: In official letters, you always use the formal word for wife, regardless of whether you use formal or informal you in the letter. Period!

On an everyday basis and in private letters, you usually use the the informal word for wife, when you are talking to someone. Except if you are an employee at a public office, a lawyer, priest, mortician or something similar.

Complicated? :tongue:

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Originally Posted by T4phage (Post 1197577)
Has Mary ever said anything like this about Frederik? It just seems like whenever we read things like this, it's always Frederik saying romantic things about Mary.

But I've no doubt that the two of them are very much in love even after all this time.

True, Mary rarely speak about her feelings for Frederik, even though there is no doubt about them, when you see them together. She's a very private person. In that respect, she is very Danish. Love, is big, BIG word for most Danes! Not least outside the largest cities. I'm related to a couple and I doubt if the husband has told his wife that he loves her more than ten times throughout there entire marriage. Mrs. Muhler doesn't talk that much about love either. She shows it. But she doesn't talk about it, except among friends, family and to me. Nor do I.

And StellaD, as far as I know the book is not available in English.
That's a pity. You will of course have to read it with a filter on, as the book portrays Frederik in a positive light. Having said that, it's still the best source, when it comes to details and it also, because it's based on interviews, provide a good guide to how the main characters around Frederik and Frederik himself thinks, percieve things and his visions.

Katelle 01-26-2011 07:39 AM

Thank you so much Muhler, your translations are terrific. It's so secret that Fred and Mary have always been very much in love with each other, but their story is more captivating when put with beautiful words. Thanks for your hard work, I couldn't help smiling and sighing when I read your posts.:flowers::flowers::flowers:

MissP 01-26-2011 08:20 AM

Thanks Muhler! Your translations are beautiful. It's such a sweet story. :wub:

Muhler 01-26-2011 09:36 AM

Continued.

In the summer of 2003 Frederik writes a long letter to Mary’s father, John Donaldson, who at that time shifted between living Tasmania and in South Korea, where he as a professor in mathematics is attached a university in Seoul. In contrast to practically all other men of his generation, Frederik put a lot of emphasis in following the old tradition and ask for permission to marry the youngest daughter of the Donaldson family.
“John was very moved and happy that I in writing requested for the hand of his daughter. For me that was just for my right leg (*), that you do such thing. I wrote a nice letter to him and determined that she was the girl in my life that I was in love in her and wanted to ask for her hand. And I did emphasize as well that he couldn’t say no. That no matter what he said, I would propose to her.
My father-in-law answered by letter and he was fortunately happy and thrilled, delighted that I would enter his family. He looked forward to see the two of us together. He also emphasized in the letter that Mary’s mother would have been glad to know, that Mary had found me. It was really neat to mention that as well”.
The Crown Prince reveals his romantic gene in a carefully planned proposal to his chosen one. Since he is only to propose once in his life, he might just as well do it with style. Mary and Frederik have often talked about how they would like to experience the Italian capital, Rome, together and they have several times spoken, that it really is a shame that they haven’t experienced the historical and cultural attractions, which Rome has to offer. As such Frederik suggests to Mary that go on a mini-vacation to Rome in September.
“The late summer was nice and warm and it was unreal to walk around the streets of Rome. We sucked it all in and were at Peter’s Square (**) and in the Cathedral of Saint Peter. I had decided that I would propose to Mary in Rome and (I) had also organized an engagement ring, and made sure that I could be completely alone with her. It was just a complete success. Not because I wanted to go down on my knee, but I did, that’s the right way to do it. And then I just said: You cannot say no, you must not say no, you simply have to say yes. And then she said yes, and it was lovely and blissful. We were happy and just the two of us”, smiles Frederik and adds that the proposal took place in English.
Later that same day the Crown Prince phone home from Rome to the Chief of Court, Per Thornit. The Chief of Court is told that he can put the whole thing on alert now and issue a statement to the press about a royal engagement.
“Despite us not having returned home, a press release was issued about the engagement and that the engagement would take place in October. It was good (***) that we didn’t go straight back home to a curious press. We stayed in Italy for four or five days more and went to a great hotel at the Adriatic some hours by car from Rome. It was nice to enjoy the engagement that way”.

In the Yellow Mansion (****) in Amalie Street, a stones throw from Amalienborg, Court Marshall Ove Ullerup and Per Thornit get busy. On Wednesday the 24th September they issue a brief statement to the press: “Hofmarskallatet (*****) informs that Her Majesty the Queen in the State Council scheduled to take place Wednesday the 8th October 2003 at 10.00 o clock in the residence at Amalienborg, intends to approve that His Royal Highness the Crown Prince enter a state of matrimony with consultant, Miss Mary Elizabeth Donaldson”. (******)

At the second the pres release is issued to Danish medias, radio and television is interrupted with the message of the royal engagement. The bridal couple to be is like vanish from the face of the Earth and no one suspects they are enjoying each other at the Adriatic and thus don’t face the media-commotion at home. Because commotion it is. Papers and TV-stations call forth historians and royal experts to assess the significance of the marriage of the Crown Prince for the future of the monarchy. Oh yes, the engagement-ecstasy afflicts everyone. Finally, our Crown Prince has sailed into harbor, cheer the Danes and in the editorial Berlinske Tidende (*******) praise the future Crown Princess as insurance for the Danish people’s monarchy.

Big words about Mary, who has never yet said a word in Danish in full public glare.

- If you think you can handle more romance, I’ll have a look later at what M&F said about each other in the book.

(*) A soccer expression. = Something that is obvious/the right thing/the perfect thing/you want to do/just ready for you to do.

(**) The large square at the Vatican, not sure if this is also the name in English.

(***) Frederik is here using the word: “Dejligt”, rather than “godt”. Both words can be translated to good, but in this context the meaning is different. Here it means it was good, in a positive sense, that, the news broke when they were still in Rome. Had he used the word “godt”, it would in this context be like rolling the eyes way back in the head.

(****) The location of the DRF central administration.

(*****) The actual name of the central administration. Which is headed by the Court Marshall.

(******) Notice that all such official statements are written as one sentence. Also known as Kancellistil = Chancellery Style.

(*******) Berlinske Tidende is a major conservative newspaper, and very serious.

Susanna Wynne 01-26-2011 09:59 AM

Can we handle more romance??
 
Like a wilted plant in the midst of a desert: yes, Muhler, we can handle more. Your translations are a pleasure...

Thank you so kindly!

Muhler 01-26-2011 10:57 AM

Various quotes from the chapter: Kærlighed – Love.

Jeppe Handwerk:
“To Frederik it’s love for the rest of the life. He considers it utterly impossible to be divorced. It doesn’t exist in his worldview! It’s a choice he has made and it’s the right choice for the rest of the life. He doesn’t view divorce as an option, as for everybody else. That’s why he also invests time, energy and love in their marriage.
Mary can something Frederik cannot and visa versa and the supplement each other well. Mary is structured and he creative. They can different things. Frederik could from the start tell that she had something to offer, which he needed by his side – because it’s hard work in their little business and he was in no doubt that it was her”.

Frederik: “We probably thought we were more alike. But the difference is fantastic, in the sense that we gain a lot from that. We discuss and we talk when we are in disagreement. Where are we alike? We are alike, because we love each other, and because we are both so fixed on the home ground/our base. We are both attentive of our inner self and our little nucleus, which is now growing, because we have had children. And life as such. We have some goals and we set some partial-goals together. We are fundamentally in agreement about what we want and the way our ship must sail. We are also alike, because we respect each other”. (*)
His view on their marriage:
“It’s great, it’s lovely. It keeps developing. We multiply. There are new roads all the time. It’s lovely, that’s it”.

Mary about their marriage:
“If I should use one word about my marriage, it’s happiness. It’s very happy. And lovely. We have a very open and honest marriage, where we provide a sparring partner and room. We have common interests, but we also have individual interests. And it’s very important to have your own interests. So there is a time, when you depart and learn something new and return with new exciting experiences. I think it’s important to give each other room, and we do”, says Mary and after a little thoughtful moment she comes up with a big smile and adds: “We are just happy and in love and love what we have together – the children and life. The love I feel for Frederik is always in my heart, in my soul and my body. Now that I also see him with the children, love has gained new dimensions. Of course there are challenges and obstacles on the way, but we’ll figure that out. We are good together”.

Mary goes on about Frederik: “Frederik is incredibly loving and caring and incredibly loyal. These are very important traits. And I also love his energy. He is always full of energy and then I love his attitude towards life. He is a very positive person, and he really understands what is important to have as priorities in life. He has a really good humor. That means that he is nice to be with and laugh with. Frederik curiosity is also big. He always wants to figure our why things work the way they do. And that can tease/cause him problems from time to time. (**) There is curiosity about everything, and that’s great.
Frederik is a very intelligent person. He has experienced much and is willing to share that experience of life that he has. Frederik is very multi-facetted. He is both delicate/sensible and strong. In the sense that everything he cares for – family and friends – he is very delicate/sensible about. Like we all can be. And in the other hand, he can be really strong and really fight for what he believes in and for those he cares for. We have all seen Frederik being delicate/sensible and I consider that as being something very positive, that he is willing to show that he is an emotional person”.

At home at the Crown Princely couple the ceiling is high in more than one way. And room in the heart for teasing.
“Mary certainly contradicts me, if she believes I’m wrong. I can of course become irritated over that and ask why she can’t see it from my point of view. But Mary is very calm. That’s one of the many good bonds there are between us. Mary never lets my words just hang in the air – they are always grasped thrown right back in my face. That’s how it should be”, believe Frederik.
The Crown Princess admits laughingly that she rarely let Frederik’s words hang in the air.
“It’s within me to ask questions about everything. And I try to see the situation from all angles and how you can defend and present it. (***) I try to play against my husband and try to get into why he wants to do it, (****) what significance it has and asks whether he has really thought it through. It can perhaps be a bit irritating sometimes, that I ask so many questions, but Frederik is doing the same ting to me”. (*****)

After having met Mary in Sydney and on the way to Cape York, Frederik thought he could hide his feelings for his friend; Jeppe Handwerk:
“Hush, hush. And he tried to slip away without me noticing it. I quickly figured out it was serious and that he had some emotions for her, which was different. He had butterflies in his belly and they talked a lot on the phone during the drive. Mary was a quite ordinary girl and Frederik was quite a bit turned on by that. He was clearly in love in her all during the drive to Cape York and (he) was very interest in getting to say goodbye to Mary, before he head over heels had to go home. And when he came home to Denmark, he sometimes fell asleep by the phone when he talked to her”, laughs Jeppe handwerk.

- And this concludes the pre-engagement part of this chapter.
Frederik, Kronprins af Danmark – Frederik, crown Prince of Denmark was written by Gitte Redder & Karin Palshøj.
The book was published by Høst & Søn = Hoest & Son. Isbn #978-87-638-0307-6 in case you wish to plaque the publishers for an English edition.


(*) Yep, once heard the best possible advise to a good marriage I’ve had: Treat your wife with same respect, tolerance, attention and loyalty as you would treat your very best friend.

(**) As in not being able to put the washing machine back together, because you just had to figure out the problem…. :bang:

(***) You assess the issue for a few minutes and figure out at way to deal with it. That’s the way to do it!
Your wife on the other hand needs to discuss every single aspect of the issue for six or seven hours! After which she reach the exact opposite conclusion of yours. – And that’s the way it will be done!
Frederik will learn eventually… :whistling:

(****) As in analyzing every single possible motive you have in not being in complete agreement with her. – Also a couple of years after you debated the issue! At way too late in the evening!
Which is why you always end up agreeing with your wife…. :tongue:
Frederik will eventually learn….

(*****) Mistake, Frederik! You just nod and grunt a bit and look thoughtful, and she’s happy. ;)

Little_Sunshine 01-26-2011 11:26 AM

Thank you so much Muhler! The translations are beautiful. :heart:

Duchess of Durham 01-26-2011 11:28 AM

Thank you again, Muhler. I can't get enough of Mary and Fredrick.

Ellainoz 01-26-2011 04:19 PM

Amazing! What a romantic story. I really hope their love will last.

Muhler 01-26-2011 04:49 PM

You are most welcome. :smile:

I may have a look at the book again at some point.

Susanna Wynne 01-26-2011 05:11 PM

So Much Work!
 
Dear Muhler:

These translations are a great deal of work!

I am just one of those who thank you now and others who will encounter this thread in the future!

Warmest thanks and good wishes!

DeeBee 01-26-2011 05:38 PM

Thank you Muhler! I have been reading your translations in lurkdom for awhile and so appreciate them! Also, your commentary is hilarious and true! You and my husband would get along well I think :).

CrownPrincess5 01-26-2011 08:06 PM

Awww so romantic:heart::heart:

I think Mary had to know, at least in a little way, that they were aiming for marriage. Cause if marriage wasn't on the agenda why would she move away from her family, friends and her life??

Thanks Muhler!
Because of you I feel like I know the crown princely couple better.


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