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lashinka2002 11-16-2005 03:40 PM

George, Duke of Kent (1902-ka1942) and Princess Marina (1906-1968)
 
I'm wondering if Catherine Oxenberg is related to Princess Marina in some way. I see similar facial characteristics between Catherine, Marina, Alexandra and Gabriella. Catherine is the daughter of HRH Princess Elizabeth of Yugoslavia and Howard Oxenberg.Here is a link to her official site, you can view her pics there.In the pics from her Dynasty wedding she looks exactly like Marinahttps://catherineoxenberg.net/

Mapple 11-16-2005 03:43 PM

Princess Elizabeth of Yugoslavia was Princess Marina's niece. Her mother, Princess Olga, was a sister of Marina.

Elspeth 11-16-2005 03:52 PM

Didn't Catherine Oxenburg play the role of Princess of Wales in one of the TV dramas about the courtship and marriage back in the 1980s?

Mapple 11-16-2005 04:02 PM

She played Diana Spencer in The Royal Romance of Charles and Diana (1982) and in Charles and Diana: Unhappily Ever After (1992).

Lady Marmalade 11-16-2005 06:00 PM

Funny you should all mention her! :)

They are showing reruns of Dynasty on Soapnet in the U.S. and they just showed the episodes where her character, Amanda Carrington, married Prince Michael of Moldavia, and then had the massacre cliff hanger. That was yesterday and the new season showing who survived started today.

God....to think that was 20 years ago...and I remember watching it when it happened the first time around.

lashinka2002 11-17-2005 09:28 AM

That's what prompted my question. I just saw the Dynasty episode that you mentioned. In her characters wedding dress with her hair up in the tiara she had on she was like a blond version of Marina. The resemblance was amazing! I've been searching for pics but I'm having a hard time...

lashinka2002 11-17-2005 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Mapple
Princess Elizabeth of Yugoslavia was Princess Marina's niece. Her mother, Princess Olga, was a sister of Marina.

So then Catherine and Princess Alexandra & Prince Michael (Marina's children) would be first cousins? No wonder the resemblance...

Warren 11-17-2005 09:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lashinka2002
I just saw the Dynasty episode that you mentioned. In her characters wedding dress with her hair up in the tiara she had on she was like a blond version of Marina. The resemblance was amazing! I've been searching for pics but I'm having a hard time...

She has her own website (plus hubby is there as well):

https://catherineoxenberg.com/

btsnyder 11-17-2005 09:35 AM

Has anyone seen (the pretty BAD) reality series on Lifetime TV in the States called "I Married a Princess"? It "starred" Catherine Oxenburg, her husband Casper Van Dien and their children.

https://www.lifetimetv.com/shows/princess/

It only ran one season. I remember one episode where Catherine's mother Princess Elizabeth, came to visit.

susan alicia 11-17-2005 09:51 AM

her mother is impressive:
https://www.dpi-zug.org/winners/elizabeth.html


Quote:

Originally Posted by btsnyder
Has anyone seen (the pretty BAD) reality series on Lifetime TV in the States called "I Married a Princess"? It "starred" Catherine Oxenburg, her husband Casper Van Dien and their children.

https://www.lifetimetv.com/shows/princess/

It only ran one season. I remember one episode where Catherine's mother Princess Elizabeth, came to visit.


Lady Marmalade 11-17-2005 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by lashinka2002
So then Catherine and Princess Alexandra & Prince Michael (Marina's children) would be first cousins? No wonder the resemblance...

Actually, her mother would be first cousins with Alexandra, Michael and Edward, Marina's children.

She is their first cousin once removed, or second cousin, depending on you you look at it.

Lady Marmalade 11-17-2005 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by lashinka2002
That's what prompted my question. I just saw the Dynasty episode that you mentioned. In her characters wedding dress with her hair up in the tiara she had on she was like a blond version of Marina. The resemblance was amazing! I've been searching for pics but I'm having a hard time...

Yes, she certainly looked every inch a princess...and of course for the 80's had the dress and hair to compliment it.

Just wishful thinking, but wouldn't it have been cool if that tiara had been a real heirloom from her mother's collection?

rhenae 03-08-2006 03:24 AM

Does anyone know if Catherine stays in contact with her royal cousins?

Lady Marmalade 03-08-2006 05:48 PM

She has mentioned on her reality show about previous visits with Prince Charles, Prince Albert and some of her Yugoslavian cousins as well when she was back there when her mother ran for office two years ago.

Michael Golpe 03-10-2006 12:39 AM

It's first cousin once removed. The cousin of your cousin is your second cousin. In other words, my first cousin "Danny" has a first cousin "Gianni" in Palermo. "Gianni" is my second cousin.

geli 08-27-2006 09:45 AM

Princess Marina, Duchess of Kent
 
I believe that there is not yet any subject on the Princess Marina of Greece (1906-1968) Duchess of Kent wherease it was a very beautiful woman with an interesting personality which, after the death of her husband George in 1942, devoted herself entirely to the education of her three children and was devoted to the service of the britanic crown.

I hope that you will be numerous to pay homage to her by posting infos and pictures on her and her family.

Thank you in advance.

michelleq 08-27-2006 10:26 AM

A very stylish, graceful and beautiful princess. Many of her photos do not do her justice! Her daughter, Princess Alexandra of Kent, Lady Ogilvy, is a carbon copy of her mother.

BeatrixFan 08-28-2006 09:31 AM

The links seem to go to a "Forbidden" page Madjenn. Maybe if you save the pics and host them on Imageshack?

Madjenn 08-28-2006 09:40 AM

oooppsss!! thanks Beatrixfan But I don't know how post the image, you can help me?

Warren 08-28-2006 09:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BeatrixFan
The links seem to go to a "Forbidden" page Madjenn. Maybe if you save the pics and host them on Imageshack?

Try this:
In the 'Forbidden' page, Scroll down and click on "Index For the Love of Opera Gloves".
See the Search box: type in Marina, click 'Find'
Scroll down to the Search Results;
Click on The Marina, Duchess of Kent Glove Gallery (parts 1 and 2)
voila! Pics!

try these first:
Gallery Part 1
Gallery Part 2

Madjenn 08-28-2006 10:08 AM

Thanks Warren!!

michelleq 08-28-2006 10:47 AM

Once again, Warren is WONDERFUL!!!!!

BeatrixFan 08-28-2006 10:52 AM

I want to have Warren's babies.

BeatrixFan 08-28-2006 07:33 PM

https://www.ibiblio.org/pha/policy/1942/420909a.html

Found this quite by accident but it's rather sad. It's the speech given by Winston Churchill in the House of Commons when the Duke of Kent died. Very moving and typically Winston.

CarolinaLandgrave 09-01-2006 02:49 PM

What a great memorial - very touching.

BeatrixFan 09-01-2006 05:06 PM

Sir Winston always spoke with such amazing class. His memorial to the Duke was extremely moving but what else could one expect from Churchill. He was wonderful.

geli 09-02-2006 10:33 AM

Here are some pictures of this beautiful Princess whom I collected.

Marina as a young princess of Greece :

https://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i2...ssofgreece.jpg


Engagement Pictures :

https://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i2...engagement.jpg

https://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i2...na/bouquet.jpg

https://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i2...na/hat1934.jpg


The Wedding :

https://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i2...arina/1934.jpg

https://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i2.../weddgroup.jpg

https://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i2...eddbalcony.jpg

CarolinaLandgrave 09-02-2006 07:56 PM

Thanks for the AWESOME pictures!
That may be one of the few pics I have seen of Princess Nicholas of Greece!

geli 09-04-2006 08:48 AM

https://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i2.../weddgroup.jpg

I find this wedding picture interesting bacause we can see there Marina surrounded by some of her not yet married cousins at the time.

From left by right, the Princesses are recognized : Catherine of Greece, Ingrid of Sweden, Eugénie of Greece, Kira of Russia, Irène of Greece, sister of Catherine, and Juliana of the Netherlands.

All, with Catherine share which will be only Lady Brandram, will marry a member of foreign Royal Family.

CarolinaLandgrave 09-05-2006 11:35 AM

That is a great picture!
Thanks for listing who all is pictured!

Zonk 09-05-2006 11:43 AM

Yes...thank you Geli. I've always wondered who are bridesmaids were. Is this the same Ingrid of Sweden who will become Queen of Denmark, Margethe's mother?

CarolinaLandgrave 09-05-2006 08:44 PM

I have been trying to find more pictures of Princess Nicholas!
Princess Marina surely got her looks from her mother!
Striking!!

CarolinaLandgrave 09-05-2006 08:46 PM

On the wedding picture... wonder where the Duke of Gloucester was? Not being present with his brothers......

geli 09-08-2006 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Zonk1189
Yes...thank you Geli. I've always wondered who are bridesmaids were. Is this the same Ingrid of Sweden who will become Queen of Denmark, Margethe's mother?

Yes, that's her.:smile:

Madjenn 09-08-2006 02:20 PM

The second girl is Queen Elizabeth II?

sophie25 09-09-2006 07:09 AM

The Duke of Kent actually romanced Parincess Ingrid before his marraige. I saw an old newsreel from the early 1930's in a documentary about him showing he and Ingrid doing some sort of engagement together and the newscastor was talking about how marraige was in the air but of course it didn't happen. The documentary was called The Queen's Lost Uncle or something like that.

ysbel 09-09-2006 08:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by angela
The Duke of Kent actually romanced Parincess Ingrid before his marraige. I saw an old newsreel from the early 1930's in a documentary about him showing he and Ingrid doing some sort of engagement together and the newscastor was talking about how marraige was in the air but of course it didn't happen. The documentary was called The Queen's Lost Uncle or something like that.

That's funny because I heard that Ingrid's husband, King Frederik was once engaged to Princess Marina.

geli 09-10-2006 11:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Madjenn
The second girl is Queen Elizabeth II?

You are right, it is well her indeed !

Esmeralda 09-10-2006 01:20 PM

Just like her daughter, Princess Alexandra, Princess Marina's looks improved with age. As a young woman she wasn't really that striking, but when she matured she was incredibly lovely looking.

Marengo 09-11-2006 06:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ysbel
That's funny because I heard that Ingrid's husband, King Frederik was once engaged to Princess Marina.

Almost, Frederik was engaged to Marina´s sister, Princess Olga, in the 20-ties. Olga broke of the engagement as she disapproved of his heavy drinking and later married Prince-regent Paul of Yougoslavia.

geli 09-16-2006 06:09 AM

A glamorous Duchess of Kent :

https://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i2...arina/glam.jpg

Princess Marina's husband, Prince George, Duke of Kent :

https://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i2...a/georgie7.jpg

geli 09-24-2006 09:27 AM

Two others pictures of the beautiful Princess Marina :

https://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i2...na/marina7.jpg


https://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i2...arina/look.jpg

Madjenn 01-20-2007 03:19 PM

Portraits of Kent Family
1- Prince George of Kent, Princess Alexandra (lady ogilvy), Princess Marina, Prince Edward (duke of Kent) and their dog Muff at their home Buckinghamshire.
https://i10.tinypic.com/4gy4uwz.jpg

2- Special portrait because is the late portrait of Prince George with his family before his airplane accident.Christenned of Prince Michael of Kent.
https://i16.tinypic.com/3zbdc1x.jpg

Madjenn 05-04-2007 09:51 AM

Pics from 1947 taken by Cecil Beaton (like hollywood star).
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auntie 05-07-2007 04:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Michael Golpe
It's first cousin once removed. The cousin of your cousin is your second cousin. In other words, my first cousin "Danny" has a first cousin "Gianni" in Palermo. "Gianni" is my second cousin.

Sorry you are wrong there, a second cousin is someone, who's parent is a first cousin of my parent, it means a cousin to a second generation. My parents first cousin is my first cousin once removed.

felicia 10-29-2007 11:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by geli (Post 500418)
https://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i2.../weddgroup.jpg

I find this wedding picture interesting bacause we can see there Marina surrounded by some of her not yet married cousins at the time.

From left by right, the Princesses are recognized : Catherine of Greece, Ingrid of Sweden, Eugénie of Greece, Kira of Russia, Irène of Greece, sister of Catherine, and Juliana of the Netherlands.

All, with Catherine share which will be only Lady Brandram, will marry a member of foreign Royal Family.

I know that one of the bridesmaids was Lady Iris Mountbatten, a great-grandaughter of Queen Victoria. So you must have got one of them wrong, I think you got Ingrid wrong, and it is Iris.

Warren 10-30-2007 06:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by felicia (Post 686227)
I know that one of the bridesmaids was Lady Iris Mountbatten, a great-grandaughter of Queen Victoria. So you must have got one of them wrong, I think you got Ingrid wrong, and it is Iris.

The bridesmaids were Princesses Eugenie, Irene and Katherine of Greece, Juliana of The Netherlands, Kyra of Russia, and Lady Iris Mountbatten. The two youngsters are Lady Mary Cambridge and Princess Elizabeth of York.

felicia 10-30-2007 08:24 AM

Yes I knew it wasn't Ingrid, it doesn't even look like her.
It's a rare photo of Lady Iris Mountbatten.

iowabelle 11-20-2009 02:50 PM

I was SHOCKED by the CBS News early this morning. They had a British correspondent explaining the provenance of these items and why the Kents must sell. Among other things he said that the late Duke died mysteriously and Marina must have wondered why SHE was being punished by George VI... the insinuation was that the Duke died while flying off to make an unauthorized peace with Hitler (a backhanded way of saying that he was a traitor). :eek:

I have never heard such a thing (and attributed Marina and the children's mistreatment to the fact that the King was a bit of a miser, and probably had been left a little underfunded after paying off the Duke of Windsor).

Iluvbertie 11-20-2009 03:02 PM

A few months ago I watched a documentary on the death of the Duke of Kent and it most definitely implied that something unusual was happening as they linked his flight to Rudolf Hess even suggesting that Hess was actually on the plane as well. One interesting point was the number of people on the plane, all of whom died but - who raised the alarm and went for help. The suggestion was that that person was the real Hess and that the man who spent all that time in Spandau actually wasn't Hess at all. The implication from the documentary was that the Duke was going to Germany with Hess to negotiate.

This same implication was also in a documentary on Hess which was also arguing that the real Hess escaped and didn't end up being tried at Nuremburg or in Spandau and that again upper echelons of British society, including the Duke of Kent, were prepared to negotiate with Hitler and even help Hitler take on the Soviets.


Prior to these two documenaries I had never heard this but I did see it in two documentaries but I didn't record either of them so haven't done any analysis of the people doing the presentation.

iowabelle 11-20-2009 03:17 PM

It is surprising that they haven't been more forthcoming with documents regarding the circumstances of the Duke's death.

But let's say the Duke had been a traitor... what would be the reason for punishing Marina and the children? You'd think if nothing else, that the Windsors would have really tried to cover it up and bring the Kents back into the fold.

Oddly enough, the Kent children never seem to have held a grudge over this and have gone out of their way to work for their cousin and the monarchy.

Roslyn 11-20-2009 03:23 PM

The Hess theory is addressed in "War of the Windsors - A Century of Unconstitutional Monarchy" by Lynn Picknett, Clive Prince & Stephen Prior. The topic was dealt with in more detail in their earlier (2001) book, "Double Standards: The Rudolf Hess Cover-Up", which I have not read.

The authors considered the Hess mission in 1942 was a genuine attempt to negotiate an end to the war, enthusiastically supported by eminent figures in Britain, including the Royal Family, and that Prince George played a key role. They also noted how curious it was that despite having ostensibly died in the service of his King and country, very little was said about him after the War. They concluded there was a deliberate campaign by the RF and their advisors to make the Duke of Kent a non-person in royal history due to fear of the consequences should the truth about him be revealed.

Mermaid1962 11-20-2009 04:34 PM

It's a conspiracy theory that pops up from time to time. I need pretty hard evidence before I take these things seriously.:flowers:

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Originally Posted by iowabelle (Post 1021672)
I have never heard such a thing (and attributed Marina and the children's mistreatment to the fact that the King was a bit of a miser, and probably had been left a little underfunded after paying off the Duke of Windsor).


Connie Cutmantle 11-20-2009 05:04 PM

It is rather trying that inexplicable events and accidents can fuel conspiracy theories! I saw a documentary some years ago that decided that the Duke had guzzled heaps of champagne before the flight and that he had insisted on piloting the plane himself....the documentary had no hard proof for anything it purported and it was all pure speculation!

I would take anything that is claimed/theorized with a great big 'pinch' of salt unless hard evidence is used! In the case of the crash......and the reasons/circumstances of the flight and crash remain scant and the missing report of the secret court of inquiry just adds to the interest...as the Duke was apparently taking part in sensitive operations at the time.....I think the general lack of hard data/sources about the nature of the flight to Iceland etc merely adds to the speculation! As does the 'purported' things that Andy Jack may or may not have said about the flight and his memories of the crash site!

Oooh this is all very off topic as to the auction......sorry!

Mermaid1962 11-20-2009 07:06 PM

I think that conspiracy theories tend to flourish when there's a sudden death and that death of someone young, attractive, and famous.:ermm:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Connie Cutmantle (Post 1021734)
It is rather trying that inexplicable events and accidents can fuel conspiracy theories!


iowabelle 11-20-2009 07:10 PM

Maybe this is off track re the auction... but my assumption had always been that, out of consideration to Queen Mary and the Kent family, these records were kept private. It would be distressing to have photos and some details floating around (a la John Kennedy, JFK Jr., Princess Diana). To me that would be the simplest explanation.

And maybe there was some concern about revelations of the Duke's pre-war social life, given the recent Abdication upheaval.

Back to the auction... the British correspondent said they expected the auction to fetch at least 10 million U.S. dollars.

Zonk 11-20-2009 08:46 PM

This is the first time that I have heard about the mystery surrounding the late Duke's death.

The Duke died fairly young and people don't talk about him as much.

On another note, why wasn't Princess Marina placed on the Civil List following the Duke's death. She continued to perform duties on behalf of the BRF.

I believe that late Duke was given about a quarter of a million pounds in (1936 values) at the death of the late George V (I read this recently in one of the books on Abdication, I will try to find the particular source) , and inherited Coppins from the late Princess Victoria, so I am a little taken aback by the financial problems faced by Marina. Of course, I recognize that the death tax was probably very heavy and most likely a large portion went to the tax man.

Connie Cutmantle 11-20-2009 09:06 PM

It was generally customary to make tacit provision for wives of Princes of the blood in the event of widowhood. Generally these agreements were set down through the normal parliamentary channels. QV was obliged to go 'crown in hand' to Parliament to ask for annuities for her children when they reached their majorities and for increases when said children married (It was here that provision for widowhood were generally arranged or at least suggested.) I tend to recall that widows were provided with 3,000 pounds as a general rule as was the case of the Duchess of Cambridge and the Duchess of Albany (I think the latter may have seen her annuity increase to 6,000 gbp later on so as to bring her annuity into line with the annuities received by QV's daughters and from 1901/02 by Edward VII's girls. With regards to Marina, it appears that at the time of her marriage to George a provision for the event of her widowhood was overlooked and after George's death the issue of her lacking an income came to light! Various sources state that Churchill was horrified by the situation and that he approach George VI about the problem...... apparently it is/was believed that 'grey' persons within the Royal Household did not wish Marina's financial problems to become a political hot potato, as such talk would have drawn attention to the enormous annuity Queen Mary was receiving at that time of severe war-time austerity!

I have never reached to the bottom of this rumour, but it appears that George VI chose/was advised to deal with the problem privately! It is suggested that he made Marina a small allowance out of his own pocket, although the amount appears not to have been enough to prevent Marina selling off a fair bit after the war!


As to Marina's finances. I believe that George had left the remainder of the capital he inherited from his father in trusts for Edward and Alexandra (this was probably altered later to include provision out of the capital for Michael.) It does not appear that Marina received any substantial portion of her husband's personal capital but may have received some allowance from the trusts for the maintenance of her children....though again this has never been fully proven as far as I can tell.

In addition to his inheritances from his father and aunt, George was also in receipt of a lovely annuity of 24,000 pounds per annum.....I believe that both George and Marina liked 'lovely' things so probably spent quite lavishly from 1934 until his death.

jmaura 05-25-2010 05:26 PM

Was Prince George, Duke of Kent in Spain?
 
Hi, I'm a journalist from Valencia. I am interested in knowing whether the Prince George, Duke of Kent was in Spain between 1920-1930. I'm writing an article. I would appreciate any information, link to website or article. It may be a bit ignorant but in the biographies I have consulted is a void in those years. Thank you for your attention.

Vasillisos Markos 03-11-2011 10:46 PM

What other conspiracies besides the alleged connection to Hess arose after the death of the Duke of Kent? I'm reading the biography of the Queen Mother and the author mentions that "all sorts of conspiracy theories have since been attached to the Duke's death but it seems to have been a simple case of pilot error." I never heard of any conspiracies and while searching this thread before posting my question, I read the above posts about the Duke going to negotiate with the Germans. Anything else out there?

CarolinaLandgrave 03-12-2011 10:06 AM

Didn't both Duke and his brother, the Prince of Wales, spend some time in Argentina? And wasn't Argentina a 'New World' hotbed for the Germans? I remember reading that somewhere in some material on the Duke of Windsor (then PofW).
It's hard for me to think of the Duke of Kent as being a traitor (and of course, nothing is proven and we're speculating all around on all accounts)... especially given the duties and public appearances Princess Marina undertook...... and the selfless duty his daughter now gives to her country.

Kent_spark 04-03-2011 09:40 AM

Carolina, no the Duke of Kent wasn't a traitor of his country. He never was. His wife undertook duties without a salary or pension, how could they have been traitors since they appeared so devoted to the monarchy and to Britain and so selfless, like you emphasized before?

Warren 06-09-2011 06:00 PM

Duke of Kent video
 
I stumbled across this YouTube video on the life of the Duke of Kent.
The video is largely comprised of still photographs plus a bit of film footage.
It goes for just under 5 minutes, is accompanied by relaxing music, and is a pleasant way to spend some time.

Double click to view it in large size in YouTube.

YouTube - ‪Prince George, Duke of Kent‬‏

Vasillisos Markos 06-09-2011 06:37 PM

My dear Warren,

Thank you for posting the video clip. Lots of interesting photographs. He and Marina certainly looked very happy together. Such a shame he was killed so young.

IloveCP 06-09-2011 06:47 PM

Marina was looked like a snob but Im not going to believe that because that might be someone trying to make her look bad.Does anyone have quotes or proof that she was a snob?

Vasillisos Markos 06-09-2011 10:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by IloveCP (Post 1264785)
Marina was looked like a snob but Im not going to believe that because that might be someone trying to make her look bad.Does anyone have quotes or proof that she was a snob?

Marina was born into a royal family and to a mother who took her royal status very seriously. I am referring to Grand Duchess Elena Vladimirovna. Marina was the last foreign-born princess, not counting Prince Philip (I should say foreign born royal, not princess but you get my drift), to marry into the British royal family. She allegedly commented that her sisters-in-law, Elizabeth Bowes-Lyon, who became Queen Consort to George VI, and Alice, Duchess of Gloucester, were just "common Scotch girls." This may have given rise to an opinion that she was a royal snob.

Tsaritsa 07-04-2011 06:57 AM

And from what one reads of her, she, as a "double" royal would have found it galling to be expected to curtsey to one who had only attained royal status through marriage, also it must be remembered that the Russians were Imperials and the Windsors merely Royals!!!

Mermaid1962 07-04-2011 05:55 PM

He died in an air crash while on duty, after all.


Quote:

Originally Posted by Kent_spark (Post 1224190)
no the Duke of Kent wasn't a traitor of his country. He never was.


XeniaCasaraghi 09-26-2011 05:02 AM

I don't know how George could be considered the best looking of the brothers. Prince Albert (George VI) was the best looking imo. Marina looks like a prettier and better looking Wallis Simpson, especially considering how they both were apparently so glamourous.

Dierna23 09-26-2011 02:12 PM

I guess that's rather subjective, but to me Georgie is the most handsome as well. Very tall and well-proportioned, charismatic (more visible in footage than in pictures), a handsome face and always stylish dressed. I think he has been the most glamorous male member of the Windsors so far. It's also said, and from what I've seen and read it certainly appears that way, that he was the most intelligent of the brothers.

Sure, Bertie was a handsome man, but to me he had the charisma and sex-appeal of a potato. :tongue:

Lenora 02-26-2012 01:57 PM

Just have learned about new Tv drama " Upstairs Downstairs" , that is the biographical movie about the Duke of Kent, King George VI's youngest and apparently most glamorous brother.
Express.co.uk - Home of the Daily and Sunday Express | Express Yourself :: Upstairs life of a royal rogue

Royallover83 08-04-2012 05:07 PM

Hello! Questions about Prince George, Duke of Kent...
 
I love this forum and it seems very informative and informational.

I recently started doing research into British royal history. I've been reading a lot about 20th century royalty, mostly in Europe, but I want to do more research on royalty period. I'm so fascinated by royalty, how things work, the drama, the romances, the family divisions, the sex!!!!! My coworker and I was having a good convo about royalty last night, and I was telling her about the house of Windsor in the early 20th century (right around World War I and World World II). I'm really fascinated by all the royalty in Europe, but I've been doing more research into the house of Windsor. I read about the Edward VIII turning down the crown to be with partner Wallis Simpson and how it cause a crisis in the royal house, and how George VI had to take the crown and how he wasn't sure how good of a king he would be because of his limitations. Its really something to read about how the royals, both past and present, have struggled with the same thing that most non royal people have struggled with in there everyday life. However I'm really fascinated by there brother Prince George, Duke of Kent. I've read some postings about him on here, and how he turned out a bit different than his older brothers. I've heard some of the rumors about him, about his sexuality, drug use, how he ended up getting married and having children and living somewhat of a normal life, then ended up dying in action in World War 2. Some of the questions that I have about him:

Is it confirmed that he had same sex relationships because of letters that he wrote? This is the only way that I could think of someone's sexuality being confirmed during this time is through letters that were written by them, not hearsay or gossip, since everything was VERY secretive back then. Also, with his drug use, was this something that was confirmed through letters also? Since everything was so hidden back then, how do people know now?

Lumutqueen 08-05-2012 04:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Royallover83 (Post 1449004)
Is it confirmed that he had same sex relationships because of letters that he wrote? This is the only way that I could think of someone's sexuality being confirmed during this time is through letters that were written by them, not hearsay or gossip, since everything was VERY secretive back then. Also, with his drug use, was this something that was confirmed through letters also? Since everything was so hidden back then, how do people know now?

We don't know anything about George as 100%, it is all an assumption. It is most likely that he has affairs with both men and women, it is also likely he took drugs. But nobody can confirm or deny, even his letters are debatable.

Boris 08-05-2012 05:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Lumutqueen (Post 1449101)
We don't know anything about George as 100%, it is all an assumption. It is most likely that he has affairs with both men and women, it is also likely he took drugs. But nobody can confirm or deny, even his letters are debatable.

I'm sorry but this is a rather negligent comment in its totality. Neither Prince George's homosexual relationships nor his drug use are assumptions whatsoever.
I recommend the biography of Noel Coward by Philip Hoare, the Cecil Beaton biography by Hugo Vickers, Dennis Friedman's 'Inheritance' and the Windsor chronicle ‘Dynasty’ by Donald Spoto (as well as the topic ‘Gay Royalty’ here) for further reference.


It’s also partly a misconception that the topics were more secretive in general in the 1920s and 30s than they are now; for the general public yes, but not within the inner circle of the privileged whose members were able to lead their lives actually more freely than at present as they could be certain that the press would never write about certain things that were common knowledge.

Lumutqueen 08-05-2012 05:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Boris (Post 1449103)
I'm sorry but this is a rather negligent comment in its totality. Neither Prince George's homosexual relationships nor his drug use are assumptions whatsoever.
I recommend the biography of Noel Coward by Philip Hoare, the Cecil Beaton biography by Hugo Vickers, Dennis Friedman's 'Inheritance' and the Windsor chronicle ‘Dynasty’ by Donald Spoto (as well as the topic ‘Gay Royalty’ here) for further reference.

Actually it isn't thank you very much, nobody can confirm or deny the rumours that they are. Books don't mean anything, people can write what they like when they want to, particularly the one of Noel Coward who was confirmed by his long term partner not to have any involvement other than a friendship with The Duke.

I'm of the belief that if it doesn't come from the horses mouth, it isn't true.

Boris 08-05-2012 05:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Lumutqueen (Post 1449105)
Actually it isn't thank you very much, nobody can confirm or deny the rumours that they are. Books don't mean anything, people can write what they like when they want to, particularly the one of Noel Coward who was confirmed by his long term partner not to have any involvement other than a friendship with The Duke.

I'm of the belief that if it doesn't come from the horses mouth, it isn't true.

This strikes me a rather short-sighted approach towards history in general and legitimate biographies in particular...
IMHO dismissing references and sources without even having checked them simply adds up to being opinionated instead of forming one's own opinion solidly based on gathering information.

Lumutqueen 08-05-2012 05:43 AM

I've read Dynasty and the Cecil Beaton biog, and the Gay Royalty Thread. It is still my opinion that unless a book comes from the 'horses' mouth it is all just words. The same goes for the constant news articles, wikipedia pages etc. Everyone looks at history differently.

Hradschin 08-05-2012 07:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Lumutqueen (Post 1449107)
It is still my opinion that unless a book comes from the 'horses' mouth it is all just words. The same goes for the constant news articles, wikipedia pages etc. Everyone looks at history differently.


What would constitute "the horse's mouth" in this context?

Excalibur 08-06-2012 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Hradschin (Post 1449122)
What would constitute "the horse's mouth" in this context?

Prince George

Royallover83 08-08-2012 01:14 AM

Is there any video with Prince George talking? Any audio? I know theres audio of George VI and Edward VIII talking.

Lenora 10-08-2012 08:30 AM

https://royalkents.tumblr.com/image/33006357455
Princess Marina with her sisters Elisabeth and Olga.

Molly2101 10-09-2012 01:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Lenora (Post 1469147)
https://royalkents.tumblr.com/image/33006357455
Princess Marina with her sisters Elisabeth and Olga.

Woah, which one is which?

Lenora 10-09-2012 01:51 AM

Princess Marina is the first one on the photo, the next are her sisters.

AdmirerUS 10-31-2012 01:56 PM

This was posted today about George and Marina's wedding:
The Royal Order of Sartorial Splendor: Wedding Wednesday: Princess Marina's Gown

It's a good read. Does anyone know if Hugo Vickers claim that Marina was the only war widow in Britain who had to pay death duties was true? If so, why was she an exception?

Here is a lovely group photo of the wedding from the NPG.

Finally, were these all her bridesmaids:
Princesses Irene, Eugenie and Katherine of Greece and Denmark
Grand Duchess Kira Kirillovna of Russia
Crown Princess Juliana of the Netherlands
Princess Elizabeth of York
Lady Iris Mountbatten
Lady Mary Cambridge.
That's quite a wedding party! Thanks for any info.

heyangbao 01-20-2013 11:47 AM

i have been interested in prince george and princess marina for a while. I know that during their time many royal mariiages were a conveniente one. however i always hope that george and mairna's could be a love match.

Simply Amazing 09-28-2013 01:56 PM

Status-conscious princess
 
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Originally Posted by Vasillisos Markos (Post 1264863)
Marina was born into a royal family and to a mother who took her royal status very seriously. I am referring to Grand Duchess Elena Vladimirovna. Marina was the last foreign-born princess, not counting Prince Philip (I should say foreign born royal, not princess but you get my drift), to marry into the British royal family. She allegedly commented that her sisters-in-law, Elizabeth Bowes-Lyon, who became Queen Consort to George VI, and Alice, Duchess of Gloucester, were just "common Scotch girls." This may have given rise to an opinion that she was a royal snob.

Thank you for that clarification. I was just reading "The Queen Mother" by Lady Colin Campbell and learned some very disturbing revelations. Before I begin, I must say that the book as a whole comes off as more than a bit "gossipy", yet as I am an American and the author is an English aristocrat, I can only surmise that she knows more about her subject than I do. That said, the book did attribute the quote "common Scottish girls" to Princess Marina, yet it also highlighted several instances in which Princess Marina (at least in her early days of courtship and marriage) made several attempts at upstaging Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother. Therefore, it's quite possible that Princess Marina had made the remark as a way of way of reminding Queen Elizabeth of where she came from (albeit in a catty manner).

On the whole, if it were the attitude of Princess Marina to be "status conscious", she was certainly in good company. Only twenty years separated the conclusion of World War I and the start of World War II. During the first conflict, when royal cousins were literally killing one another, the novel idea of "princes must always marry princesses" had begun to ring hollow. Looking at the disasters that befell other royal houses (specifically Russia, with it's German-born Empress), King George V "modernized" his dynasty by allowing his children to marry men and women of non-royal (though none-the-less noble) birth.

LauraS3514 09-28-2013 05:03 PM

Lady Colin Campbell is quite an interesting character. She was born George Ziadie in Jamaica to a father of Greek descent and a mother of mixed European ancestry- not as a British aristocrat, and due to an unspecified condition was actually raised as a boy until her late teens, undergoing gender re-assignment surgery at 21. She was married to Lord Colin Campbell, younger son of the 11th Duke of Argyll, for less than a year but kept his name after the divorce. (He reportedly didn't know of her surgery before the marriage. :eek:) You should take anything she says with a whole mine of salt...It has been said that "Georgie" doesn't have as much access as she infers she does.

Tarlita 09-28-2013 06:00 PM

I have always thought of Lady Colin Campbell as a dodgy character from some of the magazine articles which have quoted her from many years ago. I remember she wrote a book about the late Princess Diana and then admitted she had never actually met Diana. So how could anyone write a definitive account about the Princess when they didn't know them personally. Relying on "sources" is always a dodgy deal if you ask me. I think Campbell hangs on to the title of Aristocrat like a lifeline.

cepe 09-28-2013 06:07 PM

She was married to Lord Colin Ivar Campbell, the son of Ian Campbell, 11th Duke of Argyll in 1974; they were divorced in 1975.

The title is a courtesy title from her marriage. I don't think she is knowledgeable to any degree and writes gossip and hearsay.

mslewis 09-28-2013 06:25 PM

Thank you all for that. I think anyone who believes anything that comes out of "Lady" Colin Campbell's mouth is sadly mistaken. "Georgie" is just a sad human who has little to no access into the lives of anyone royal.

In fact, the TV morning talk shows here in the States used to have her on whenever she wrote a book but then they came to their senses and realized she really had no knowledge of what she was writing about so they no longer invite on the shows.

Victorian-Dandy 11-29-2013 10:54 AM

My apologies if I am asking a question that's been asked before but could those much more knowledgeable than I recommend some books on Prince George, Duke of Kent and his wife Princess Marina

Dman 01-08-2014 10:56 PM

Princess Marina of Greece and Denmark Grants An Interview - YouTube

CyrilVladisla 09-14-2014 08:44 PM

Princess Marina was the president of the Wimbledon All England Lawn Tennis and Croquet Club for 26 years.
In Long to Reign?, A. W. Purdue wrote:

It has been suggested that there were plans, supported by Lord Mountbatten, for him (Prince George, Duke of Kent) to become King of Poland.
During the Second World War, Princess Marina, Duchess of Kent, enrolled as an auxiliary nurse at University College Hospital in London under the pseudonym "Nurse Kay".

An Ard Ri 03-07-2015 03:53 PM

HRH The Duchess Of Kent Speak On W.R.N.S. (1940)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CknZFJkXRIM

Jacknch 03-07-2015 04:53 PM

:previous:

Thanks for posting this video! What a beautiful voice Princess Marina had - I do wish people still spoke like that :lol:

An Ard Ri 03-07-2015 04:56 PM

I think its the first time I've ever heard her voice,British Pathe is a wonderful archive for such video's.

Nico 03-07-2015 04:58 PM

She has a French accent ! A class act .

Jacknch 03-07-2015 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by An Ard Ri (Post 1756345)
I think its the first time I've ever heard her voice,British Pathe is a wonderful archive for such video's.

I've heard Marina speak once before on another video (I think it is Pathe too) when she is interviewed just before her wedding - I believe she was visiting Paris for some shopping. Anyway, again, her English was cut-glass perfect with only a slight accent. British Pathe is indeed an amazing source for old footage of royals all over the world.

An Ard Ri 03-08-2015 12:52 PM

HRH The Duchess Of Kent Visits Italy (1947),can anyone identify the lady with her,I had thought it was one of her sisters?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wlirm-buLyk

HRH The Duchess Of Kent's Children (1948)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iX21Xojxmlo

An Ard Ri 03-08-2015 12:58 PM

TRH The Duke And Duchess Of Kent in Poland (1937)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2BrieCTtalI


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