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Elsa M. 11-13-2005 09:18 AM

The Royal Family of Spain, Current Events Part 6: November - December 2005
 
Welcome to the new thread dedicated to the current events of the Spanish Royal Family.

The old thread can be found at:
https://www.theroyalforums.com/forums/f21/royal-family-spain-current-events-part-vi-7383-10.html

Please note that this thread is for Current News and Pictures only.
For posting pictures of older events, please visit this thread:
https://www.theroyalforums.com/forums/f21/royal-family-spain-picture-thread-part-01-a-7258.html

Have fun! :)

purple_platinum 11-14-2005 08:18 AM

It would be great if we can see Letizia during christmas. i miss seeing her again...
Does Spanish Royal Family attend christmas church service like in Britain or Norway, or make a christmas photo session like in Norway?
What event will we hope to see Letizia again?
Thanks..

lula 11-14-2005 08:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by purple_platinum
It would be great if we can see Letizia during christmas. i miss seeing her again...
Does Spanish Royal Family attend christmas church service like in Britain or Norway, or make a christmas photo session like in Norway?
What event will we hope to see Letizia again?
Thanks..

The Royal Family is not in the habit of doing public celebrations during the Christmas, they are familiar and private acts. The press was calculating that for January 6 day of the Military Easter we would see again the Princess in an official act. Not if she will appear in some another activity before. After the Caesarean they need from 4 to 6 weeks to recover, since it is an operation and I do not believe that the doctor leaves her before.

lula 11-14-2005 12:15 PM

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A new photo of the soccer match Spain - Slovakia

xicamaluca 11-15-2005 07:28 AM

Another pic from the soccer game (Royal House Website - © EFE)

https://www.casareal.es/casareal/images/futbo10g.jpg

Official exit of the Volvo Oceano Race (© EFE)
https://www.casareal.es/casareal/images/volvo01g.jpg

rchainho 11-15-2005 09:10 AM

in some pics, felipe seems very serious.

Juanita 11-17-2005 08:04 AM

Here is an article (with a lovely photo of Infanta Cristina and King Juan Carlos) from Diez Minutos.

https://www.diezminutos.wanadoo.es/ca...os/106065.html

Here is the translation:
The princess Cristina, affectionate with his father

The King inaugurated in the mouth of river of I Frame the Turn to the World of Candle Volvulus Ocean Race. There also the dukes of Palm were, big supporters to this sport.
Don Juan Carlos was talking with his daughter when this one treated him kindly with a soft gesture.
Iñaki Urdangarín was a witness of the hearty scene, before the King assisted the blessing of the vessels and rose to the "Movistar", the Spanish ship that participates.

fanletizia 11-24-2005 07:28 PM

Queen Sofia and Dukes of Lugo and Palma will be, next Saturday, in the christening of Carlos Morales, third son of Princess Alexia of Greece

https://www.theroyalforums.com/forums...tml#post330130

Juanita 11-25-2005 02:13 PM

Are the Queen, the Dukes of Palma and Lugo already in Greece? :confused:
Is there any pictures of it??

lula 11-25-2005 02:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ...JuAnItA...
Are the Queen, the Dukes of Palma and Lugo already in Greece? :confused:
Is there any pictures of it??

The baptism is not in Greece, is in Spain, in Lanzarote's Island where the family Morales lives .;)

Juanita 11-25-2005 02:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lula
The baptism is not in Greece, is in Spain, in Lanzarote's Island where the family Morales lives .;)

Sorry... i sopused that they live in Greece! :p
But are they already in Lanzarote?

Elsa M. 11-26-2005 06:24 AM

https://www.elconfidencial.com/ocio/indice.asp?id=1400

According to a survey made by the digital newspaper Elconfidencial.com, almost half of its readers do not agree with the present system of the Spanish Monarchy. The results partly agree with another survey recently published by El Mundo, which, although showing that the great majority of the society supports the Monarchy (and especially King Juan Carlos), stated an increase of the critical sector towards the institution.
Among the most significant data of these surveys, it’s emphasized an increase of those in favour of a republican system, mainly among young people and the controversies around the expenses of the Royal Family.

Monarchists or republicans, the experts consulted by that newspaper agree in several essential points regarding the future of the Royal Family: the necessity to provide its members with a greater political function and to find tools that may allow Prince Felipe to confront the problems on his way.

Fernandez-Campo remembers that "the King has a little concrete moderating power but he can exert it with the ministers, the government and the institutions". According to the Constitution ", he adds, "the King must only sanction. The King engages in a dialog and tries to mediate before a proposal becoming law". As far as the surveys that show an increase of the critical sector towards the Princes of Asturias, Campos states that "the King has had 30 years to demonstrate his worth. The Prince is less known, but he has the suitable education and the example in his family, to conquer the affection and respect of the Spaniards ".

Jose Garcia Abbot considers that "the monarchy has a democratic deficit today. Unlike what happened during the transition, it is no longer so much necessary, although it can continue being useful in a mediating role". Asked about what Prince Felipe can make to improve his image, Abbot has no doubts there are monarchists in Spain, but the Crown must surpass two tests: "At the first place; the self censure, to release itself from all taboos. Secondly, the succession reforms; the Prince has realized it. The wedding to Letizia can be seen like an attempt of democratizing the institution, by marrying a plebeian, although it can also end with the magical character of the monarchy, with its glamour".

On the other hand, Antonio Garcia Trevijano does not believe in surveys: "they do not mean anything. They are just opinions created by the dominant classes and manipulated by the mass media". Nevertheless, he interprets such popularity fall of the Royal House with the conflicts around the reform of the Catalan Statute of Autonomy. "The public opinion, by ignorance, thinks that the King can guarantee the unity. But, according to the present Constitution, the King cannot. The responsibility belongs to the political parties". "If there was in Spain a presidential republic, that figure would be a central power over the Catalan and Basque and he could veto the separatist movements". The youth "believes that the King is not worth of anything and thinks that the only alternative before the monarchy is the republic".

Elsa M. 11-26-2005 07:52 AM

Queen Sofia, along with the Dukes of Lugo and the Dukes of Palma. attend today, in Lanzarote, the christening of Princess Alexia's son, Carlos Morales.

For more about this topic, please go to the thread:
https://www.theroyalforums.com/forums/f77/christening-carlos-morales-7934.html

fanletizia 12-01-2005 07:43 AM

The King and Prince Felipe have telephoned to the president of the Popular Party, Mariano Rajoy, to be interested in their state of health after suffering a helicopter accident,

https://www.diariosigloxxi.com/notici...20051201132931

nayralorenzo 12-01-2005 07:55 AM

Incredible, I don't understand how people don't care about the safe in the helicopters...

donnaK 12-01-2005 03:27 PM

Is it a pure accident (or a murder) ? Can you imagine two PP leaders (Rajoy & Aguirre) got killed together in a helicopter accident ? Have people shaken, isn't it ? I'm glad nobody died. A balance of political power is needed in Spain.

rchainho 12-01-2005 04:05 PM

I saw the images in TVE. I was shocked.:eek:

Elsa M. 12-02-2005 06:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by donnaK
Is it a pure accident (or a murder)?

They are still investigating it, but it seems an accident, as it was a very windy day and the helicopter was lifting from a bull-fighting arena, where the draughts are heavier.


On a different note, the Kings and the Prince of Asturias congratulated yesterday the Mexican writer Sergio Pitol, for winning the Cervantes Prize of Literature 2005. Don Juan Carlos, Doña Sofía and Don Felipe sent telegrams to the writer, in which they expressed their satisfaction for him obtaining the most prestigious prize in Spanish language.

https://actualidad.terra.es/nacional/...mio_624197.htm

purple_platinum 12-03-2005 12:26 AM

from hola.es :

The King and the Prince, first in being interested in the health of Rajoy and Aguirre

Nothing else to find out the news, the king Don Juan Carlos and prince Felipe put themselves immediately in telephone contact with the president of the PP, Mariano Rajoy, and the president of the Community of Madrid, Hope Aguirre, to be interested in their state of health and the one of the other occupants, after knowing that the helicopter in whom traveled had starred next to the bullring of Móstoles.

Genevieve 12-03-2005 07:18 PM

When does the royal family usually release its Christmas card? I wonder what they will do this year. Hopefully it will be a big family portrait of the king and queen, their children and their spouses and all their grandchildren.

If not, it would be nice if they did what they did a few years ago and it was the king and queen with their grandchidlren sitting in front of a fireplace. That was a sweet picture.

gaggleofcrazypeople 12-03-2005 10:16 PM

Shouldn't they have already done so? I think other royals have.

Toledo 12-03-2005 10:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Genevieve
When does the royal family usually release its Christmas card? I wonder what they will do this year. Hopefully it will be a big family portrait of the king and queen, their children and their spouses and all their grandchildren.

If not, it would be nice if they did what they did a few years ago and it was the king and queen with their grandchidlren sitting in front of a fireplace. That was a sweet picture.

They will need a long fold out card to fit everyone this days. Even though they are becoming a large family, one of the things I like the most is the unity and support they have toward each other. And they are not afraid to show it in public.

Genevieve 12-03-2005 11:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gaggleofcrazypeople
Shouldn't they have already done so? I think other royals have.

I haven't seen any official holiday cards from any of the royal families except for the one being sent out by Charles and Camilla of them with their children on their wedding day.

Which other royal families have you seen holiday cards from for 2005?

The family may have taken their holiday picture if there is one, maybe the day that Leonor was brought home from the hospital, but the Infantas and their families were not there for that one so that wouldn't be very encompassing.

carlota 12-04-2005 06:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Genevieve
I haven't seen any official holiday cards from any of the royal families except for the one being sent out by Charles and Camilla of them with their children on their wedding day.

Which other royal families have you seen holiday cards from for 2005?

The family may have taken their holiday picture if there is one, maybe the day that Leonor was brought home from the hospital, but the Infantas and their families were not there for that one so that wouldn't be very encompassing.

no, the only one that was shown was charles and camilla's. i guess we will have to wait a little bit more to see the spanish cards.

lula 12-04-2005 07:58 AM

It will be necessary to wait still a bit to see the postcards, not if there will be photo of the whole family, because from the summer I believe that they all do not meet. The Infanta Cristina lives in Barcelona and when she travels to Madrid for official acts does not do it with 4 children. Already we will see.;)

Toledo 12-04-2005 09:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by carlota
no, the only one that was shown was charles and camilla's. i guess we will have to wait a little bit more to see the spanish cards.

Can anyone start a thread on the all the World Royals Holiday 2005 cards later on so we can see them as they come out?

Carlota, note aside, but I click on your link to save animals and was surprised to see a picture of a cat that it's almost identical to ours! That tuxedo cat Charlie has the same face colors in the same spot as our little cat, but ours is a female. Thanks for putting that link, we also contribute donations to the Humane Society every week when we buy cat food.

Elsa M. 12-04-2005 10:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toledo
Can anyone start a thread on the all the World Royals Holiday 2005 cards later on so we can see them as they come out?

We already have a thread like that; not just for 2005, but generally speaking.
See the it here:
https://www.theroyalforums.com/forums...ards-4133.html

Regarding the SRF, you can see some of the cards throughout the years here:
https://www.theroyalforums.com/forums...ight=christmas

purple_platinum 12-04-2005 11:04 AM

I honestly hope they don't cropped out each member of the RF's face and put it in a card like they did last year.
I hope they'll do a traditional family christmas photos with all the grandchildren...
we'll have to see...

lula 12-04-2005 11:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by purple_platinum
I honestly hope they don't cropped out each member of the RF's face and put it in a card like they did last year.
I hope they'll do a traditional family christmas photos with all the grandchildren...
we'll have to see...

I also hope that they do not repeat it of last year. I believe that they did it because they wanted that they all were, and probably they did not prepare it with sufficient anticipation to have a photo of all.:p
This year I believe that there are two options, or the photo of all if they manage to meet and to do it (they might take advantage these days that 6 and 8 it is a holiday), or the photo of the Kings, with the Princes and Leonor.

purple_platinum 12-04-2005 11:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lula
I also hope that they do not repeat it of last year. I believe that they did it because they wanted that they all were, and probably they did not prepare it with sufficient anticipation to have a photo of all.:p
This year I believe that there are two options, or the photo of all if they manage to meet and to do it (they might take advantage these days that 6 and 8 it is a holiday), or the photo of the Kings, with the Princes and Leonor.

i guess we have to wait until days before christmas to see the christmas card. i remembered last year they released it on December 22nd.

how do they normally spend christmas? i thought they gather at La Zarzuela, then on the day of christmas (or day after) - i forgot - Cristina will travel with her family to Inaki's family in Vitoria, and so does Elena (to Jaime's hometown).

lula 12-04-2005 01:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by purple_platinum
i guess we have to wait until days before christmas to see the christmas card. i remembered last year they released it on December 22nd.

how do they normally spend christmas? i thought they gather at La Zarzuela, then on the day of christmas (or day after) - i forgot - Cristina will travel with her family to Inaki's family in Vitoria, and so does Elena (to Jaime's hometown).

Normally they dinner in Zarzuela the day of Christmas Eve, the night of the 24th. On the following day 25 the Dukes of Lugo are in the habit of travelling to Soria with Jaime's family, and those of Palm depending of the year they travel to Vitoria or travel there a few days later (Vitoria is beyond of Madrid and I imagine that depending on the circumstances be planned of different form).
The End of Year before they all were passing it in Baqueira Beret skiing, but in the last years that the Kings already do not ski each one celebrates it for its account. For example, the Princes last two years have travelled to ski abroad, though I imagine that this year with Leonor they do not go very far.

In Spain there is celebrated the day of the Magi in the night of 5 and the 6th, I don´t how they celebrate it. The 5th is the birthday of the King, and 6 it is the act of the Military Easter, so not very well that they do.

Probably they will put the letter of congratulation in the same dates that last year, I imagine. In Spain, the vacations of the children are in the habit of beginning on the 22nd and 23rd, and from this date the people organize the vacations, and everything is a bit stopped. The 23rd is the Drawing of the Lottery of Christmas and this it is an almost the "official" beginning of the holidays.

purple_platinum 12-04-2005 01:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lula
In Spain there is celebrated the day of the Magi in the night of 5 and the 6th, I don´t how they celebrate it. The 5th is the birthday of the King, and 6 it is the act of the Military Easter, so not very well that they do.

you mean the Pascua Militar? this is when we expect Letizia return to her official duties, right? i can't wait...

thanks for the explanation, lula...

btw, when is the next event for Spanish RF or Felipe, Rey, Reyes, or the Infantas? they've been quite these past few days.. but, wait... December 6th is the Spanish Constitution Day, right? i guess we'll see them then..

lula 12-04-2005 02:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by purple_platinum
you mean the Pascua Militar? this is when we expect Letizia return to her official duties, right? i can't wait...

thanks for the explanation, lula...

btw, when is the next event for Spanish RF or Felipe, Rey, Reyes, or the Infantas? they've been quite these past few days.. but, wait... December 6th is the Spanish Constitution Day, right? i guess we'll see them then..

The Day of the Constitution there is in the habit of being no act to which the Royal Family comes, it only happened 2 years ago, when it was celebrated the 25 Anniversary.

This week I do not believe that there are many acts, it is one a bit strange week. On the 6th and 8th we have holiday, and the people will have organized to be able to take 5 or 9 of rest ... so I do not believe that there are many public acts.

As for another matter, I was referring to the Pascua Militar. The press was imagining that from then the Princess would recapture her activities, and I imagine that in these dates it will be Leonor's baptism, do not believe that they wait a lot of time more.

Toledo 12-05-2005 07:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Elsa M.
We already have a thread like that; not just for 2005, but generally speaking.
See the it here:
https://www.theroyalforums.com/forums...ards-4133.html

Regarding the SRF, you can see some of the cards throughout the years here:
https://www.theroyalforums.com/forums...ight=christmas

Thanks Elsa! :)

purple_platinum 12-07-2005 08:52 AM

i have 1 question, When did Infanta Elena & Infanta Cristina appointed as Duchess of Lugo & Duchess of Palma de Mallorca? from birth or when they were married?
As Infanta, will Leonor receive her own dudekom ?

lula 12-07-2005 09:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by purple_platinum
i have 1 question, When did Infanta Elena & Infanta Cristina appointed as Duchess of Lugo & Duchess of Palma de Mallorca? from birth or when they were married?
As Infanta, will Leonor receive her own dudekom ?

They received them when they married. ;)

fanletizia 12-07-2005 10:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by purple_platinum
i have 1
As Infanta, will Leonor receive her own dudekom ?

Leonor will be Princess of Asturias, when her father become King of Spain.

purple_platinum 12-07-2005 10:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fanletizia
Leonor will be Princess of Asturias, when her father become King of Spain.

but, isn't the succession law still prefer male?
if so, in couple of years, if Felipe & Letizia have a baby boy, then the boy will become Infante & thus, Prince of Asturias, right?

lula 12-07-2005 10:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by purple_platinum
but, isn't the succession law still prefer male?
if so, in couple of years, if Felipe & Letizia have a baby boy, then the boy will become Infante & thus, Prince of Asturias, right?

Exact, though we all hope that it could change and that Leonor is in a future Pricesa of Asturias, but it is necessary to have patience, is political.;)

purple_platinum 12-07-2005 10:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lula
Exact, though we all hope that it could change and that Leonor is in a future Pricesa of Asturias, but it is necessary to have patience, is political.;)

i agree, lula.
until further change, i suppose leonor will remain Infanta of Spain. even if succession law is not passed, i hope the future king (felipe) will grant Leonor her own dudekom. but, yes, i would better see her as Princess of Asturias.

btw, what is the next event for SRF? are they already on holiday break? miss seeing them... :o :o

lula 12-07-2005 10:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by purple_platinum
i agree, lula.
until further change, i suppose leonor will remain Infanta of Spain. even if succession law is not passed, i hope the future king (felipe) will grant Leonor her own dudekom. but, yes, i would better see her as Princess of Asturias.

btw, what is the next event for SRF? are they already on holiday break? miss seeing them... :o :o

This week seems to me that there will no be acts, it will be necessary to wait a next week. Tuesday was a holiday and tomorrow it returns to be a holiday, this week is a bit strange, and great people are of rest so it is normal that there are no acts, because everything is a bit stopped.
The Prince has an act on the 12th, for the rest of family it will be necessary to wait a next week and to see the agenda.

Elsa M. 12-11-2005 04:24 PM

https://actualidad.terra.es/articulo/...eso_636671.htm

The parliamentary group of Esquerda Republicana (ERC) will introduce, next Thursday, a new debate in the Plenary Session of the Congress about nobility titles, with the intention of suppressing all them, including those that are attached to the members of the royal family, except the one of Prince of Asturias, since this is the title established by the Constitution for the Heir to the Throne.
Their argumentation is based on the idea that the distinction of nobility titles 'is born from privileges established during the Middle Ages and that have been legitimized and extended by successive legislations throughout the History’, but that 'actually supposes the legalization of a feudal system of social classes’.

Alexandria 12-11-2005 05:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Elsa M.
https://actualidad.terra.es/articulo/...eso_636671.htm

The parliamentary group of Esquerda Republicana (ERC) will introduce, next Thursday, a new debate in the Plenary Session of the Congress about nobility titles, with the intention of suppressing all them, including those that are attached to the members of the royal family, except the one of Prince of Asturias, since this is the title established by the Constitution for the Heir to the Throne.
Their argumentation is based on the idea that the distinction of nobility titles 'is born from privileges established during the Middle Ages and that have been legitimized and extended by successive legislations throughout the History’, but that 'actually supposes the legalization of a feudal system of social classes’.

Would this include the ones the Infantas have and potential titles given to Leonor's siblings? So that the only individuals with titles in Spain would be the King, Queen (and her consort), and the next direct heir?

lula 12-11-2005 05:18 PM

The ERC how always being a nuisance. They are a Catalan independence and republican group .... they will not achieve that it is never approved, because they have a minimal quantity of votes. Both majority parties would not approve it, in Spain hundreds of pertaining to nobility, some titles there are with centuries of history, to eliminate them it would be to eliminate a part of the history of the country.
ERC always seeks to call the attention, and how the government of the PSOE needs them to govern, we have to bear all the Spanish the stupidities of some few ones. :mad:

Alexandria 12-11-2005 07:03 PM

Thanks for the explanation lula. I wasn't aware that the ERC were a minorit sector of the country and that their request to abolish titles wasn't widely supported.

Elsa M. 12-15-2005 11:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Elsa M.
The parliamentary group of Esquerda Republicana (ERC) will introduce, next Thursday, a new debate in the Plenary Session of the Congress about nobility titles, with the intention of suppressing all them, including those that are attached to the members of the royal family, except the one of Prince of Asturias, since this is the title established by the Constitution for the Heir to the Throne.

https://www.fuerteventuradigital.com/...15&hora=171212

The Plenary Session of the Congress rejected today, with the votes of the PSOE and the PP, the pretension of Esquerda Republicana (ERC) to suppress the nobility titles.

fanletizia 12-16-2005 10:33 AM

Monday 19 of December

The Royal Family will be in the delivery of the National Prizes of Sport 2005 that will be celebrated in the Palace of Pardo.

https://actualidad.terra.es/provincia...les_645745.htm

Will Letizia be there? :o

Juanita 12-16-2005 01:18 PM

Problems between the Royal House and the Prince's House
 
I found this article that speaks about some problems between the Kings and the Princes.

https://www.hispanidad.com/noticia.aspx?ID=10050

I don't believe in what the article says... but we never know... and i think that this isn't true... but i thought that it could be interesting to discuss this here... :)


Here is the translation:

SAR Felipe de Borbón: "it has said she"
It House to It of the King and the House of the Prince, more separated than ever. Father and son as soon as they have another relation that the imposed one by its public obligations. The ruling crispation in the country arrives at the Zarzuela, and not indeed because of Carod. From Palace they try to avoid that some newspaper orders a survey on the popularity of the Prince.

It is the glossed between the friends of King more and not expressed phrase, indeed, of charitable form: "she has said to It". Mofa is one of which it affirms, and apparently not a single time, inheriting prince SAR Felipe de Borbón and Greece, to justify any decision, or uproots, to the Real House and its own family. "It", naturally, is SAR Doña Letizia, future queen of Spain. A journalist next to the Royalty thus explained it to Spanishness: "Leticia will be a queen who will not look for the love, but the admiration of the Spaniards". And, apparently, they do not have the smaller interest in disguising it.

The spacing, when saying of the next ones to the King and the Prince, is maximum. It is more, Don Felipe has reviewed its friendships and their contacts since it contracted marriage. The Monarch, at the same time, begs between the economic powers and political supports to its son, so that the Spaniards happen of juancarlistas to felipistas, and its persistence is the concrete sample of which it has not obtained it.

In the familiar scope, specially with Reina of Spain, Doña Sofía, the relations are not the best ones either. Now, more than ever, that can be spoken of exists the Real House and the House of the inheriting Prince. And every day less connected. Father and son have reduced his relations to the necessary minimum, to be exact, to which they come imposed by his public obligations.

On the other hand, the prince specially seems totally absent of the political problems of the territorial tension. Until now his assignment he was to narrow bows with Hispano-America, land this that his father yielded to him in exclusive right. Nevertheless, from his marriage he has reduced his visits to Hispanomérica and, which is worse, it does not seem to interest great thing to him. Until in the employer's association certain malaise, because if something has embroidered Juan Carlos I has been its work like commercial ambassador and defender of the Spanish companies in the outside, and very in special has arisen in its Latin American investments. In other words, the industralists preferred the support of the father wing absence of the son.

But what he worries more it is the lack of popularity of the inheriting prince. From Zarzuela, one requests the publishing groups that do not make surveys on the popularity of the Prince. At the moment, Doña Letizia counts the support of the progressive press yet, even more than her husband, to whom considers itself "prim more". But the advisers of image of the Their Majesty know that a thing is what to the means and another one say what thinks the town.

crisiñaki 12-16-2005 01:28 PM

oh my god!!! :eek:
Is this a reliable source?

Juanita 12-16-2005 01:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crisiñaki
oh my god!!! :eek:
Is this a reliable source?

Yes.. i went to google noticias (of spain) and in the second page there is this article... you can do that.... ;)

Elsa M. 12-16-2005 04:33 PM

Quote:

Quote:

oh my god!!!
Is this a reliable source?
Yes.. i went to google noticias (of spain) and in the second page there is this article... you can do that....
Well, we have here different things to point out:

1. This is not anything close to a reliable source. This is a online publication, just like hundreds of others that can be found over the Internet and that are anything but not information. None of the actual newspapers has ever written anything about this and we all should already know that just because a magazine or site says something that doesn't mean it's true. Just because several German magazines said that Letizia was anoretic, suffered several miscariages (during just one year of marriage!!!), that Leonor's life was in danger, that Felipe has a mistress, etc, etc that doesn't mean it's true at all!!... We all should be able to see this, after all we've already seen published in online tabloids about the Princes of Asturias...

2. This piece doesn't belong to Yahoo news, Juanita. You found it in the Yahoo search engine (which is nothing more that Google, for example). It only searches webpages of online publicacions where the name of the Princes happen to appear. Yahoo search news is thus different from Yahoo News. Two complete different things... which explain why this is not a reliable source, as I said before.

3. This article is pure gossip based on false information. This is all so non-sense that I wouldn't get the trouble to point one by one. Just as an illustration, let's see this piece
Quote:

Originally Posted by ...JuAnItA...
from his marriage he has reduced his visits to Hispanomérica and, which is worse, it does not seem to interest great thing to him.

Anyone who has accompanied the first year of marriage (and most of us has do it here at The Royal Forums) know this is absolutely false. Since the marriage, the Prince has made several official visits to Latin American countries and accompanied all the swerring-in ceremonies of Latin American Presidents, reenforcing an area in which he has always developed a remarkable work. And in 2006, it is already announced that they will made several other visits of the kind.

We can only debate things if we know what we are discussing. And this is pure gossip, written by Letizia's detractors, who like earn money by using the name of the Princes of Asturias.

crisiñaki 12-16-2005 05:04 PM

go Elsa M go!!
you should be hired at Zarzuela Press Department, no one defends the SRF more than you!!! :D :D

lula 12-16-2005 05:07 PM

In this web always bad things publish on the Royal Family, are in the habit of publishing very reactionary articles, so it is very slightly trustworthy.

Letizia is the easy reveille for certain journalists and for certain prominent figures who will never accept it as wife of the Prince. When the commitment promised to be, the rumors were saying that Marichalar could not see Letizia, because he was considering her to be to much little. Then it has demonstrated that they have very good relation, Jaime gave her shoes for her wedding, they went out to eat together and there are photos of them speaking and Letizia's images helping Jaime to lower a few stairs.

Letizia looks like always a culprit of all the evil of the universe .... whenever the fault happens a little done her to her. They face always someone of the Royal Family, also they said that really the Queen did not like and that everything what she was doing the Queen was to pretend.
In Spain, it is said that an image costs more than thousand words ... and only it is necessary to see the images of the day of the Receipt on the occasion of 30 Anniversary. The images of the happy Princes and smiling they did them in the moment in which the Kings were doing the photography to themselves with the journalists.

This type of rumors are in the habit of having two sources. Or people reactionary or of very republican ideas .... or people of very good family, very good social or economic position that if Letizia is not left to handle rumors invent on her. Always there is a group of power that moves around the King, of people of power who tries to obtain benefits. The Queen was criticized very hardly certainly sector of the high society when she decided that the court should not exist ... Sofia never left to handle her and sample of it is that today in day she does not have any Spanish friend. Her life does it with her sister and her cousin.
Letizia is a woman with strong personality, intelligently and that knows what wants. She is anybody easy of dominating neither of manipulating and it there are persons those who do not like anything.

There have been recent surveys on the Prince and these are positive enough towards his person, so this article does not say the truth. His speech in the Prizes Prince of Asturias was praised by the majority of the serious journalists of this country.

crisiñaki 12-16-2005 05:37 PM

I think Letizia has a very good relationship with the SRF specially with the Queen and Infanta Cristina...
They are like a closed knit family (a "piña" as Spanish people said) and they have to live with gossip, intrigue and the rest of least pleasent stuff aout being Royal, but it has always been done with class and dignity, so GO SRF!!! :D

*SofiaM* 12-16-2005 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by crisiñaki
I think Letizia has a very good relationship with the SRF specially with the Queen and Infanta Cristina...
They are like a closed knit family (a "piña" as Spanish people said) and they have to live with gossip, intrigue and the rest of least pleasent stuff aout being Royal, but it has always been done with class and dignity, so GO SRF!!! :D

Well said crisiñaki! I totally agree :p

Juanita 12-16-2005 06:37 PM

I agree with all of you!!
Well i put the article here on the forum because i want to know the opinions of other people! Because we can see the good relationship of Princess Letizia with the other members of the family!
And this article is like other articles of the anorexia and miscarriages of Letizia, but her pregnancy was the end of all those things that some people said!
And now Letizia is mother (of the possible next Queen of Spain) and she is very happy like the rest of the family... and we can see that by the photos of the royal family that were taken in the celebration of the 30 anniversary of the enthronement of King Juan Carlos!
And, besides that, i always said that i don't believe in that article and it can be false!! I never said that the article is true!!

planetcher 12-16-2005 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by ...JuAnItA...
And this article is like other articles of the anorexia and miscarriages of Letizia, but her pregnancy was the end of all those things that some people said!

That's right her pregnancy was the end of all the rumors, and that is also why they have to make up more stories now to talk about like "her and her baby's life was in danger during delivery". We have to admit that some of the press people hate her, but they can't get enough of her. Now that she has produced a child, all the infertility rumors are history. In the next few years we can pretty much assume that they're going to say that Felipe is having affairs and she's doing a Diana. But for the next month of January I just have a feeling that they're going to attack her again by saying that she has the upperhand in the selection of godparents especially if neither one of Their Majesties is a godparent just like what the press said with their choice of name for their daughter. Letizia can't win because she's an easy target.

crisiñaki 12-16-2005 11:47 PM

The thing about Letizia is that her public person is very different from Queen Sofía (who's almost never critizied by the media, kind of an "untouchable") so they are waiting for them to be equals, to behave in a similar way; the media cannot understand that QS & Letizia are from extremely different backgrounds: QS was taught to be queen since she was born, that's why she's so... regal to put it, but I think Letizia is doing a great job, she's learning very fast and she has the unconditional support of the SRF, so I believe the Princes of Asturias are going to do just fine in the future even with the media circus around them...

Tzu An 12-17-2005 12:08 AM

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Originally Posted by crisiñaki
The thing about Letizia is that her public person is very different from Queen Sofía (who's almost never critizied by the media, kind of an "untouchable") so they are waiting for them to be equals, to behave in a similar way; the media cannot understand that QS & Letizia are from extremely different backgrounds: QS was taught to be queen since she was born, that's why she's so... regal to put it, but I think Letizia is doing a great job, she's learning very fast and she has the unconditional support of the SRF, so I believe the Princes of Asturias are going to do just fine in the future even with the media circus around them...

Plus she's not giving all sorts of interviews, running her mouth off and is used to being the public eye. She has class too.

purple_platinum 12-17-2005 02:03 AM

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Originally Posted by fanletizia
Monday 19 of December

The Royal Family will be in the delivery of the National Prizes of Sport 2005 that will be celebrated in the Palace of Pardo.

https://actualidad.terra.es/provincia...les_645745.htm

Will Letizia be there? :o

last year it took place on 30th September, and Letizia attended along with the rest of SRF.

https://img228.imageshack.us/img228/5...r17g4gf.th.jpg

it would be great seeing her again, but i'll understand if she decided to stay with Leonor.

(picture from casareal)

Elsa M. 12-17-2005 06:34 AM

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Originally Posted by ...JuAnItA...
Well i put the article here on the forum because i want to know the opinions of other people! [...]
And, besides that, i always said that i don't believe in that article and it can be false!! I never said that the article is true!!

We know it, Juanita! It just seemed to be that things should be cleared up a bit, in case any distracted person happened to visit this thread. ;)

Thanks for bringing the article to us and for asking about our points of view! Discussion is always welcome in this forum, as long as things are treated reasonably and with rectitude. :)

Elsa M. 12-17-2005 06:39 AM

The posts related to the wedding dresses' exhibition held at the Aranjuez Royal Palace were moved to the thread Wedding Dresses on Display. See it here:

https://www.theroyalforums.com/forums/f31/wedding-dresses-display-712.html

lula 12-19-2005 03:37 AM

https://solidaridaddigital.discapnet....GR05121902.htm

The kings deliver today the National Prizes of the Sport 2005

Mario García/Madrid-/01/2005

The Kings of Spain will deliver today the National Prizes of the Sport 2004 in the Palace of El Pardo, in an act at which also they will be present the prince don Felipe; the dukes of Lugo, dona Elena and don Jaime de Marichalar, and the dukes of Palm, dona Cristina and don Iñaki Urdangarín.
The National Prizes of the Sport 2004, which they distinguish to sportsmen, associations and entities that stood out last year for their impulse and promotion of the sports practice, were trumped last October 10 in it sedate of the Top Council of Sports (CSD).

The Prize Queen Sofia, which distinguishes the most out-standing Spanish sportswoman, it will be for the Amazon Beatriz Ferrer-Salat, who achieved a medal of silver and other one of bronze in the Olympic Games of Athens 2004.
The piragüista David Cal, who was the most distinguished Spanish in the Olympic Games of Athens, with a golden medal and other one of silver, will receive the Prize Don Felipe de Borbón, who recognizes the best masculine sportsman.
The Of Navarre Institute of the Sport and Youth there will be rewarded by the Prize Infanta of Spain Dona Elena, which it decorates to the person or entity that has been outlined during the year for a gesture of nobility or clean game.
The Prize Infanta of Spain Dona Cristina, to the best revelation of 2004, will end up at gymnast Rafael Martínez, subchampion European at the general contest and bronze at that of soil.
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lula 12-19-2005 09:28 AM

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purple_platinum 12-19-2005 10:40 AM

is this https://img311.imageshack.us/img311/9689/30bu.th.jpg Santiago Calatrava?

i wonder what award did he received as he is an architect, right?

lula 12-19-2005 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by purple_platinum
is this Santiago Calatrava?

i wonder what award did he received as he is an architect, right?

https://solidaridaddigital.discapnet....GR05121902.htm

The architect Santiago Calatrava will receive the National Prize to the Arts and the Sciences Applied to the Sport.
;)

purple_platinum 12-19-2005 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by lula
https://solidaridaddigital.discapnet....GR05121902.htm

The architect Santiago Calatrava will receive the National Prize to the Arts and the Sciences Applied to the Sport.
;)

thanks lula...
this probably refer to his works to design the greek olympics building? but i don't know any better... :o
it's nice to see rafael nadal there... haha.. ;)

oh yeah, did Infanta Pilar attended this event? i think i saw her on one of the pics.

the presentation of this award is better than the other ones coz it's located on the palace's outer courtyard where it's bright & sunny, isn't it?
btw, is this the same place where Felipe & Letizia has their engagement photos with family?

lula 12-19-2005 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by purple_platinum
thanks lula...
this probably refer to his works to design the greek olympics building? but i don't know any better... :o
it's nice to see rafael nadal there... haha.. ;)

oh yeah, did Infanta Pilar attended this event? i think i saw her on one of the pics.

the presentation of this award is better than the other ones coz it's located on the palace's outer courtyard where it's bright & sunny, isn't it?
btw, is this the same place where Felipe & Letizia has their engagement photos with family?

Yes, the Infanta Pilar was there, she is a member of the Olympic Committee and of the Federation of Equine.
The Prizes delivered themselves in the Palace of El Pardo, the same place where there was celebrated the Commitment of the Princes and the dinner previous to their wedding.
It is a nice Palace placed to a few kilometres of the Zarzuela, the Royal Family has never used it how housing, though the idea was thought about this palace as housing of the Prince finally It was rejected. El Pardo was the housing of the dictator Franco and it was dificult to give it an official use. Now The El Pardo is the official residence of the foreign Chiefs of State in their visits to Spain.

fanletizia 12-19-2005 12:21 PM

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donnaK 12-19-2005 02:14 PM

Elena looks great, very fashionable.

crisiñaki 12-19-2005 02:41 PM

Cristina and Elena looked great as usual

lula 12-19-2005 02:43 PM

mORE PHOTOS

https://www.wireimage.com/GalleryList...=154560&nbc1=1

purple_platinum 12-19-2005 03:17 PM

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from wireimage, 1st batch

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purple_platinum 12-19-2005 03:25 PM

2nd batch from wireimage

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purple_platinum 12-19-2005 03:34 PM

4th & last batch from wireimage

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lula 12-19-2005 04:57 PM

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lula 12-20-2005 04:13 AM

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TM the Kings have presided over the delivery of the National Prizes of Deporte 2004, accompanied by Their Height Real Prince de Asturias, Their Heights Reales Infants Doña Elena and Doña Cristina, Don Jaime de Marichalar and Don Iñaki Urdangarin, in an act celebrated in the Palace of El Pardo.

To his arrival, and already in the Barceló Hall, where the ceremony took place, they were received by His Height Real Infant Doña Pilar; the president of the Community of Madrid, Hope Aguirre; minister of Education and Ciencia, Maria Jesus San Segundo; the Secretary of State for Deporte, Jaime Lissavetzky; and the president of the Spanish Olympic Committee, White Alexander. Next, the chief of a main directorate of Sports of the CSD, White Rafael Perea, gave reading to the act of concession of the Prizes, to begin to his delivery. These awards, that are granted by the Superior Council of Sports, distinguish the sportsmen, associations and organizations that are outstanding in the promotion and impulse of the sport activity. The jury was presided over by the chief of a main directorate of Sports of the CSD, and was made up of 28 members pertaining to the CSD, Independent Federations, Communities, Local and sport Corporations of prestige.

The Prizes Queen Sofía and Don Felipe de Borbón, to the Spanish sportswoman and the sportsman who have distinguished themselves more during the year in their sport performance, as much at national level as international, were for Beatriz Ferrer-Salat Serra de Migni (Equestrian) and David Lime Figueroa (Piragüismo), respectively.

The Prize Infant of Spain Doña Elena, to the person or organization who is outstanding by a specially excellent gesture of nobility or actually sport fare-play, or that has lent a special contribution in the eradication of the violence in the sport, was for the Navarrese Institute of Deporte and Juventud.

The Prize Infant of Spain Doña Cristina, to the masculine or feminine sportsman who, by the results obtained during the year, have supposed the most significant revelation of the Spanish sport panorama, was for Rafael Martinez Drill (Gymnastics).

The Trophy Latin American Community, to the Latin American sportsman who more is outstanding during the year in his international sport performances, was for Felix Sanchez (Athletics - Dominican Republic).

The Glass Baron of Güell, to the equipment or national selection that has been distinguished more by its sport performance during the year, was for the Spanish Equipment of Glass Davis.

The Olimpia Prize, to the person or organization who by her own sport performance or the promotion of the activity of others is outstanding specially in the diffusion and improves of the sport activity between the physical diminished ones, psychic or sensorial, was for the Spanish Federation of Physical Sports for Minusválidos.

The Stadium Glass, to the person or organization who is outstanding by her special contribution during the year to promotion tasks and promotion of the sport, was for the Savings bank of the Immaculate one of Aragón. The Prize Superior Advice of Sports, to the Spanish City council that more is outstanding during the year by its initiatives for the promotion of the sport, either in the promotion and organization of activities or or in the dowry of communitarian facilities, was for the Insular Town hall of Tenerife.

The Trophy Joaquin Blume, to the teaching institution that has specially distinguished during the year by its work of promotion and promotion of the sport, was for the University of Valladolid.

The National Prize to the Arts and Sciences Applied to Deporte, to the professional who, in the exercise of his activity, are outstanding by a work or have contributed to impel or to spread the physical-sport activity of singular form or throughout its professional life, were for architect Santiago Calatrava Valls.

(Palace of El Pardo. Madrid, 19 of December of 2005)

lula 12-20-2005 04:35 AM

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Anna_R 12-21-2005 08:29 AM

I've made a little quiz about the Spanish Royal family, to test the knowledge of our members.

Take the quiz in the link below, it's quick and free:)

https://www.quizyourfriends.com/yourq...1080118-852361

Have fun!

Juanita 12-21-2005 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Anna_R
I've made a little quiz about the Spanish Royal family, to test the knowledge of our members.

Take the quiz in the link below, it's quick and free:)

https://www.quizyourfriends.com/yourq...1080118-852361

Have fun!

Thanks, Anna_R!
Really cool! ;)

I had 100!! :D

Anna_R 12-21-2005 08:50 AM

:D
Quote:

Originally Posted by ...JuAnItA...
Thanks, Anna_R!
Really cool! ;)

I had 100!! :D

Congratulations Juanita!:D

Juanita 12-21-2005 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Anna_R
:D

Congratulations Juanita!:D

Thanks! ;)

rchainho 12-21-2005 10:20 AM

i have got pics from this event from dana press, the problem is that i can't use these pics in this forum because the administrators don't want me to post them here. :(

Sue- 12-21-2005 11:14 AM

Thanks for the quiz Anna! You always have such great ideas ;)

Elspeth 12-21-2005 11:24 AM

To respond to rchainho's post above.

The reason why we aren't allowing pictures from Dana Press is that they're threatening lawsuits against websites that post their pictures. More and more picture agencies are beginning to do so, but Dana Press is particularly strict about it.

Since we have no wish to end up in court or risk being shut down altogether, we have no choice but to comply with Dana Press's position on this matter. rchainho has been told why this is the case, and the admin team thought she understood that this is a legal issue and not just our personal preference.

It appears that this sort of issue is unfortunately becoming increasingly common, so it's a good idea for people to check the Announcements area regularly to see if there are any updates about which photos may be posted and which are not safe to post.

Elspeth

Royal Forums administrator

Anna_R 12-21-2005 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Sue-
Thanks for the quiz Anna! You always have such great ideas ;)

You're welcome Sue, but this idea was originally from GrandDuchess who made a Christmas Quiz at the December Newsletter, I only brought it to the SRF;)

LaChicaMadrilena 12-21-2005 02:35 PM

Great idea!:) I had 100%!

Heather1 12-22-2005 12:21 PM

christmas card 2005
 
on the hola website there is christmas card picture of the king and queen with their grandchildren

isabella_ 12-22-2005 12:23 PM

This year we have wonderful Christmas Cards from the Spanish Royal House.
(from hola.com)
I think the one with the Kings and their grandsons is one of the best Christmas Cards they have done so far!
Hope you like it as much as I do. ;)

Anna_R 12-22-2005 12:46 PM

I'll have to wait for the big version to formulate my opinion about it.

The idea is surely great, all the grandchildren together, but, for what I could see, it's a photoshop montage and not a real picture (I'll wait for the big version to see if I'm right or wrong), but Irene surely looks awkward in the picture.

purple_platinum 12-22-2005 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Anna_R
I'll have to wait for the big version to formulate my opinion about it.

The idea is surely great, all the grandchildren together, but, for what I could see, it's a photoshop montage and not a real picture (I'll wait for the big version to see if I'm right or wrong), but Irene surely looks awkward in the picture.

i was thinking the same thing, Anna.
Leonor was in the same pose and outfit as was her 1st presentation. there's just something about the people and the couch that doesn't fit. so, yes, we'll have to see the bigger version.
But i like the one of Felipe & Letizia with Leonor... this seems a bit informal and very loving as like the other photos from the little infanta's 1st presentation.

purple_platinum 12-22-2005 12:59 PM

yup.. i think it's digitized...

bigger one from hola

https://img324.imageshack.us/img324/1540/reyesa9ak.jpg

https://img324.imageshack.us/img324/1540/reyesa9ak.jpg

rchainho 12-22-2005 01:01 PM

the Xmas pics of the spanish royals were taken in the same day of the presentation of Leonor. The clothes of Felipe/letizia/kings are the same, the places are different.

Elsa M. 12-22-2005 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by purple_platinum
yup.. i think it's digitized...

Yep... the king and queen were inserted in the photo of the children...

lula 12-22-2005 01:06 PM

That of the Kings is a photo montage, the children of the Infanta Cristina have not travelled to Madrid in the last months, only Irene the day that they went to the clinic. The photo of the Kings and of the Princes is of the day of Leonor's presentation. I ask myself where the photo of the Princes will be done, this white armchair might be of Leonor's room, it is a place adapted for a white armchair, not? :p


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