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authoriseduser 09-13-2003 04:15 PM

This thread is dedicated to PHILIPPE JUNOT. Please post anything and everything you know about this aging playboy. I'll start it out with what is in the October 2003 issue of Vanity Fair about Junot, in an article titled "Princesses Behaving Badly", by Judy Bachrach.

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[Font=Arial] It was not as though Ranier and Grace didn't have their problems with the equally defiant but more intelligent and focused Caroline. “Where are you going?” Grace had demanded one night in the mid-70s as she sat crocheting a silver metallic cap for her 18-year-old to wear with white crepe evening pajamas, which Grace, who never threw anything away, had pulled from her own cluttered wardrobe.

“I’m meeting Philippe at a nightclub,” said the love-struck girl, who was by that time, as Robyns notes, “a slave to Junot . . . besotted with him--she couldn’t keep her hands off him.”

“You’re not going anywhere unless he comes to fetch you here,” Grace responded. Glancing at her daughter, she hastily adjusted the décolletage of the revealing outfit. “Be careful to see that it’s not too low, and look out for the photographers standing on chairs!” the former star warned. “They’ll do anything to get a cleavage shot.” (For her part, the pre-pubescent Stephanie was envious of her older sister’s romance. “Caroline and Junot used to rub against each other in the most intimate way,” recalls Robyns. “Stephanie was furious and did not hide her jealousy.”)

Junot, now a businessman dealing in hedge funds, still bears the craggy stamp of the consummate boulevardier on his world-weary face. The son of a Parisian deputy mayor, he was famous for his social life. “I belonged at that time to a milieu where it was completely natural to meet people like Caroline” is practically his first remark to me. He remembers their first date vividly, when he picked up Caroline at her mother’s apartment in Paris. Grace was receiving the pianist Artur Rubinstein, who was a neighbour. At this period of her life, she was patently unhappy with Rainier and living apart from her husband on the Avenue Foch. Junot’s new girlfriend, 17 years his junior, certainly had her attractions. “Caroline was young but not necessarily naïve. And, of course,” he adds meaningfully, “not weathered by life.”

And Rainer? I ask. Was he has invasive a presence in the relationship as everyone says?

“That was, ah, yet to be discovered,” Junot replies dryly.

In fact, as everyone realised, Ranier and Grace were united on one thing: they couldn’t abide Junot. He spent a great deal of time in the company of flashy women--Christina Onassis was a friend, as was Countess Agneta von Furstenberg--and Rainer was uncertain how he made a living. But resistance to Caroline’s most ardent suitor only reinforced the girl’s determination to marry him. “Caroline threatened to walk out and go live with him,” Grace told Robyns, “so I have no option.” Grace was under no illusions about the marriage. “I give it two years,” she said shortly before the 1978 wedding.

Exactly two years later, Robyns, on assignment to write a piece on the young couple’s domestic bliss for a ladies’ magazine, found a red-eyed Caroline at the door of her Paris apartment on the Avenue Bosquet. There was ample cause for Caroline’s distress. Paparazzi had caught Junot dancing with Agneta von Furstenberg at a New York nightclub. “That was absolutely a mistake,” Junot concedes. He claims, however, that he was never unfaithful to his wife, adding with appreciate irony, “It didn’t last long, so I am not looking for any medals.”

Pastorelli, Caroline’s bodyguard for many years, recalls matters differently. “How shall I tell you?” Junot was a boy who loved to have fund.” He chuckles. “And at one point, Caroline, who was very much in love with him, could not longer stand it.”

When the break came, it was Grace who advised her teary daughter. “You stay here at home--I’ll go to your apartment!” And with that, says Robyns, she went to the Junot apartment to fetch Caroline’s possessions.

authoriseduser 09-13-2003 04:22 PM

Does anybody remember the incident, I think it was in a Paris nightclub, where Junot poured a bottle of champagne over his head? I think this occurred before he was married to Princess Caroline, and it was things like this that didn't endear him to the Grimaldis. Any link to the somewhere where it talks about this? This would, of course, have been in the 1970's.

Also, with regards to how Junot made his living back then, supposedly he was involved in the financing of "Jack-In-The-Box" drive-thru hamburger stands in the United States. Anybody know anything about this? Junot always claimed he was a "banker", but he didn't work for a bank.

Any recent pictures of Junot? Who's he married to these days? I read where he is married.

authoriseduser 09-13-2003 04:28 PM

Here is a link to somebody that is selling a selection from "Chatter" that Junot wrote. Anybody have the actual book?

https://ask.elibrary.com/login.asp?c=&host=...F1988&ctrlInfo=

This is the preview of the article:

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[Font=Arial]CHATTER
07/18/1988; TOM CUNNEFF

WOULDN'T JUNOT HE'D SAY THAT: Former Famous Husband Philippe Junot has just published reminiscences about his life, including some not-so-nice bits about his ex, Princess Caroline of Monaco. She ''needed to be admired and spoiled by all the men she met,'' he writes in a self-serving excerpt published in the Italian magazine Gente. ''She loved me in her way...

Julia 09-13-2003 04:31 PM

Wish I could say that I did have the book but I don't. Sometimes it's worth checking Ebay for used books. Also AbeBooks has rare and used books; it's worth a look.

authoriseduser 09-13-2003 04:32 PM

And here's a link with Junot getting in a fight with one of the Kennedys:

https://fp.culttv.plus.com/richardchamberla...interview17.htm

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"One evening at Manhattan’s trendy Xenon disco, she [Rachel Ward] inspired a brawl between Princess Caroline’s then husband, Philippe Junot, and David Kennedy, RFK’s son, whom she dated for five months prior to his 1979 drug scandal."

authoriseduser 09-13-2003 04:53 PM

I just realised something. The Vanity Fair article mentions Junot's habit of being in the company of "flashy women" and that "Christina Onassis was a friend". Ranier would have disliked him for that. Monaco (and the Grimaldis) were broke and out of money coming into the 1950's. The Grimaldis only began to come into money when they geared up the casino, which was/is owned by "Societe des Bains de Mer (literally "The Society of Sea Bathers"), or otherwise simply referred to has "SBM" in Monaco. The problem was that the Grimaldi's/Ranier did not own/control SBM. Aristotle Onassis did. It was Onassis who developee Monte Carlo and turned Monaco into the money-earner it is today, not Ranier. Ranier didn't have control of SBM, Onassis did, and Ranier didn't like that.

Yes, I doubt very much if Ranier liked his daughter marrying a guy who was good friends with Christina Onassis.

authoriseduser 09-14-2003 07:00 AM

Sit back and enjoy some pictures of Philippe Junot on holiday (with his wife) in St Tropez in 1994:

https://www.findpicturesofhorses.com/PHILIP...DAY/Search.aspx

The next-to-past photo (#24) is probably the best shot of Junot. The woman in photo #20 would give any woman in the world a run for here money. Junot certainly seems to know how to surround himself with beautiful women, year-in and year-out.

elektraking 09-14-2003 09:34 PM

In May there was an article in Hola about Phillip Junot. He is divorced from his wife and they have three children. And the article was that he is getting again close to his Spanish wife. Junot lives in Spain.
That is all. B)

Josefine 10-05-2003 03:56 PM

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Caroline with Philippe Junot

Original caption: To be Married. Princess Caroline and her fiance, Philippe Junot, are shown in this official photograph released by the palace here prior to their wedding, June 28. June 22, 1978.

Princess Caroline and Husband
Original caption: London, England: Princess Caroline of Monaco and her husband, Phillippe Junot, arriving at Regine's Rooftop Club for a private fund-raising, first night of the opening of the club. The proceeds of tonight's gala opening in aid of UNICEF. January 9, 1979.

Original caption: Monaco: Princess Caroline and Philippe Junot walk through the flag-bedecked streets of old Monaco after their June 29 civil wedding service.

Original caption: Monaco: Princess Caroline of Monaco and her husband Philippe Junot look on the huge wedding cake at the party given in Monaco Palace for relatives and all Monegasques born as Princess Caroline in 1957 who were invited to the lunch following the religious wedding June 29.

montecarlo 12-20-2003 06:29 PM

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The Princely Family & Philippe Junot

monaco70s 12-21-2003 12:07 PM

Montecarlo do you happen to know when was the picture of the Grimaldi family with Junot taken? :unsure: Thanks.

montecarlo 12-21-2003 12:47 PM

Monaco70s: Montecarlo do you happen to know when was the picture of the Grimaldi family with Junot taken?

Monte Carlo: Sorry, I don't know. But from the looks of it, it seems as though it was taken before his wedding to Caroline. Look at Grace and Rainier, they don't look too happy.

montecarlo 12-21-2003 01:00 PM

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This is the most recent picture of Philippe Junot with his children Victoria, Alexis, Isabelle, and his former wife Nina Junot.

monaco70s 12-21-2003 05:11 PM

Yeah I think you're right Montecarlo, it could have been taken during one of the rehersals that they had in the Palace for Caroline's wedding

authoriseduser 01-10-2004 02:25 PM

Just wondered how people view Junot today. I mean, having re-read the quotes/interview in Vanity Fair, he seems to have mellowed out, and seems to speak like a statesman/diplomat (re dancing with Agneta von Furstenburg, "That was absolutely a mistake", and re the marriage, "It didn't last long, so I am not looking for any medals", and re Prince Rainier's reputed intrusiveness, "That was, ah, yet to be discovered", and Caroline at that time, "Caroline was young but not necessarily naïve. And, of course,” he adds meaningfully, “not weathered by life").

Anyway, if they had stayed together, I think they would have been well-viewed in this day and age. I don't think he would have been embarassing her at his stage in life. I mean, I can't imagine Philippe Junot these days getting publicly drunk, urinating in public on a Turkish building, etc. And he's not a blimp - he's still got a youthful figure. And his face is described as "craggy", wheras Caroline's current husband, Prince Ernst, I would charitably describe as "ham-faced" (although, I think that is perhaps largely caused by over-eating).

monos26 04-28-2004 12:58 PM

What is he doing now?

julial 05-17-2005 01:47 AM

I don`t think he is that good looking. All the wrinkles!

tbhrc 07-03-2005 03:07 PM

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Copyright Imagine 2005/KORPA 20009
MARBELLA Spain 03 06 2005
GUNILLA VON BISMARK PARTY FOR THE OPENING OF HER NEW MASION IN MARBELLA SPAIN

PHILLIPE JUNOT SPENT THE WEEKEND IN MARBELLA. HE WAS WITH DUCHESS SILVIA
SERA DI CASONO ALL THE TIME. BOTH ATENDED THE GUNILLA'S HOUSE WARMING PARTY.
PRINCESS CAROLINE OF MONACO FIRST HUSBAND LIVES BETWEEN PARIS AND MARBELLA
WERE HIS SECOND WIFE NINA WENDERHOE AND THEIR THREE CHILDREN LIVE

hsieh 09-17-2005 03:41 PM

phillipe junot?
 
i don't understand why caro was attracted to phillipe junot. he 17 years older and not very cute. why in the world would a beautiful young rich girl want him?

CasiraghiTrio 09-17-2005 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by hsieh
i don't understand why caro was attracted to phillipe junot. he 17 years older and not very cute. why in the world would a beautiful young rich girl want him?

there are some women, especially when they are young, who are very strongly attracted to older men. i am not saying all women. but some women go through a period of their lives when they want to "rebel" and date the wild older man whom they know their parents won't approve of. I think part of Junot's appeal to Caroline was that he was a fast-living, "swanky" (love that word!) guy and she knew her parents would lose sleep over the relationship!
Remember Caroline was a very rebellious 17-year-old. She had to go through that, get it out of her system. :)

iowabelle 09-17-2005 05:35 PM

He was an older, very handsome and "dangerous" man who paid attention to her. And it caused her parents a great deal of worry. It can be an attractive combination to the right kind of girl.

ysbel 09-17-2005 05:46 PM

For an older man he was quite good looking and very charming. The bad ones often are. :p

CasiraghiTrio 09-17-2005 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by ysbel
For an older man he was quite good looking and very charming. The bad ones often are. :p

OH YEAH!!!!!!!!!!
:D

Jackswife 09-17-2005 08:52 PM

I agree: Phillipe was the classic "charming rogue" guaranteed to sweep an impressionable young girl (as Caroline was at the time) off her feet. He was the antithesis of everything her parents, particularly Grace, wanted for their daughter and I'm sure Caroline was naive enough to think they would live happily ever after. I'm sure she really loved him and was devastated by their break-up. :(

Harry's polo shirt 09-18-2005 12:13 AM

What does he look like? I've never seen him...

older, handsome, dangerous, what more could she want at her age. Most girls usually have a moment in their lives that they are attracted to men complete opposite of themselves.

Tosca 09-18-2005 02:59 AM

I'd not call him a hansome man, let's say he's charming instead. Surely more elegant than EA is. At least Junot could never have dreamed to urinate in public.:)

CasiraghiTrio 09-18-2005 04:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Jackswife
I agree: Phillipe was the classic "charming rogue" guaranteed to sweep an impressionable young girl (as Caroline was at the time) off her feet. He was the antithesis of everything her parents, particularly Grace, wanted for their daughter and I'm sure Caroline was naive enough to think they would live happily ever after. I'm sure she really loved him and was devastated by their break-up. :(

I agree completely with everything here, except the last line. It's more probable she
believed herself to be in love with him. She was infatuated, sure, no doubts there. Her head was turned, her ego was flattered, she was sexually attracted to him. But love? Real love like the kind she has for Ernst? No, no. But few people end up with their first. Some do, yes, but they are in the minority, I think. Most people, I think, including Caroline, have/had to grow a lot before "the real thing" is possible.

hsieh 09-18-2005 09:34 AM

blame
 
somebody wrote on the forums that they read in a magazine article that caro said all her mistakes were made because of her mother. is that article on the internet and if so where? does she blame her mom for getting married to phillipe junot?

altagrace 09-18-2005 09:46 AM

WHat I heard is that Caroline wanted to live with Philippe i.e. "live in sin" or was already doing that in Paris. Her parents, her mother in particular, were devout catholics and would have none of it. So the options were get married or leave him. Even though her parents did not think Phillipe was an ideal partner they preferred the marriage option.

Remember this was 1978, and the "living together" thing was practically unheard of among royalty- at least certain royal families. NOw it probably would not seem a big problem....

CasiraghiTrio 09-19-2005 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by hsieh
somebody wrote on the forums that they read in a magazine article that caro said all her mistakes were made because of her mother. is that article on the internet and if so where? does she blame her mom for getting married to phillipe junot?

I think maybe you misunderstood slightly. It's not at all that Caroline blames Grace for marrying Junot. What people usually mean when they say that Caro married him "because of Grace," what they mean usually is that Caroline rebelled, that her marriage to Junot was part of her rebellion from a very strict upbringing. Her mother was very protective and a very overbearing figure in the lives of her children, because Grace loved her children and she wanted them to be happy and productive, what most loving mothers tend to want. Caroline was a young woman at the time and she wanted to be independent. Her head was turned by Junot, why not? He was a charming older man, he gave her attention, he flattered her budding sense of being a sexy woman. Do you see what I mean? So it's not about blame. It's just human nature.

Tosca 06-28-2006 12:42 PM

Philippe Junot and his daughter Victoria at the Chopard party in Barcelona (Spain) from olycom

https://img126.imagevenue.com/loc4/th_98655_000009w.jpg
https://img144.imagevenue.com/loc56/th_98661_000010w.jpg

Kastalia 06-28-2006 01:42 PM

Interesting find Tosca.I didn't know he even had a daughter!Who is her mother??

Carlos 06-28-2006 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Kastalia
Interesting find Tosca.I didn't know he even had a daughter!Who is her mother??

Mrs Junot? :rolleyes:

Grace 06-28-2006 02:30 PM

Philippe married a danish(swedish?) model adn had three kids with her; I think they are now divorced. She was called Nina.

Kastalia 06-28-2006 02:39 PM

Thanks Grace

julianneneville 06-28-2006 08:16 PM

In any event, I would say that Philippe has aged quite gracefully. I thought he was still married, but I could certainly be wrong.

christinacg 06-28-2006 08:52 PM

Does anyone have any more background into this marriage and the ages of his children? Victoria appears to be about Charlotte's age doesnt she?

Tosca 06-29-2006 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Grace
Philippe married a danish(swedish?) model adn had three kids with her; I think they are now divorced. She was called Nina.

She's Danish and her full name is Nina Larsen, if I'm correct
Philippe and Nina have two other children: a boy and a girl.

orsinger 07-04-2006 07:47 PM

Junot
 
Any more recent pictures of him or the family??

monaco70s 07-04-2006 10:03 PM

Nina, Junot's ex wife attended that event with their daughter Victoria.

kekehhk 10-30-2006 03:54 PM

Philippe Junot
 
Hello everyone! Has anyone seen any recent magazine photos of the family of the second marriage of Philippe Junot that they might post? I believe he had three children with Nina Wendelboe Junot. How about any present day photos/articles on Philippe? I've read nothing about any of them for ages and wondered what they are doing now and what they look like. Thanks!

Tosca 10-31-2006 02:35 AM

You can find pics for Philippe, his second ex-wife, children and new girlfriend at:
https://archive.olycom.it/olycom/post...true&x=19&y=16

Penny Lane 11-08-2006 11:23 PM

Junot seem to have aged rather well and I'm glad he seems to have a nice family but I really can't imagine how they would be now if Caroline and Junot had somehow stayed together they were such a bad match.I'm sure Caroline fell hard for his elegant charm and he gave her an easy way to rebel against her parents especilly her mother but I see no way they would still be together.I think Carolines true loves were and are Stephano and Ernst the fathers of her four beautiful children-who I think are Caroline's greatest loves.:flowers:

Tosca 11-09-2006 02:54 AM

Philippe Junot with his ex-mistress Giannina Facio (she's originally from Costa Rica, and currently married to Ridley Scott). Apparently this woman ruined Caroline and Philippe's marriage (from HOLA)
https://img366.imageshack.us/my.php?image=monaco3sy5.jpg

Avareenah 11-10-2006 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Tosca
Philippe Junot with his ex-mistress Giannina Facio (she's originally from Costa Rica, and currently married to Ridley Scott). Apparently this woman ruined Caroline and Philippe's marriage (from HOLA)
https://img366.imageshack.us/my.php?image=monaco3sy5.jpg

I think this woman "ruined" Caroline and Philippe's marriage because Philippe allowed her to. ;) That's the only way a third party can ruin a marriage, IMO...

Tosca 11-11-2006 11:21 AM

Actually seems that some months before she was caught by the razzis in the company of a French actor called Alain Bertrand, if I'm right...

Royalsa 08-15-2007 12:42 PM

In the latest edition (from this week) of the Dutch magazine Privé (Privé), you can find a picture of Philippe Junot with his ex-wife and their 3 children. They were on a party in Marbella. I haven't been able to find that picture on the internet. Maybe there is someone who can scan this picture?

Tosca 04-24-2008 10:26 AM

Here are some pictures of Victoria Junot. She's the same age as Charlotte, she also adores horses, and is currently studying political science at the University of Virginia, and wants to enter politics. (DIVAeDONNA)

Victoria 1

Victoria 2

Victoria 3

tan_berry 04-24-2008 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by hsieh (Post 286664)
i don't understand why caro was attracted to phillipe junot. he 17 years older and not very cute. why in the world would a beautiful young rich girl want him?


It exists what they call "sex-appeal", not related directly to beauty. Either you have it or you do not, no matter how beautiful you are. Sure he had it.

monaco70s 04-24-2008 04:23 PM

Victoria looks a lot like Philippe Junot, and his mother.

maya35 04-24-2008 05:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tosca (Post 758093)
Here are some pictures of Victoria Junot. She's the same age as Charlotte, she also adores horses, and is currently studying political science at the University of Virginia, and wants to enter politics. (DIVAeDONNA)

Victoria 1

Victoria 2

Victoria 3

Thanks for the pictures. I think she is beautiful.

orsinger 07-12-2008 09:15 PM

Does Junot really have any money? What is the source? I hear yes and no, but more no than yes.

Jaya 07-13-2008 12:17 AM

Timing
 
I think Caro married for all the right reasons and I think she and Junot were compatible. But I also feel that their timing was off.It was a love story so to speak because a princess married a businessman when she could have married another Prince.Caro always has made strong independent decisions and I admire her for them.

Moonmaiden23 07-21-2008 07:18 PM

I think Caroline and Philippe shared a strong sexual/physical attraction, and I think Caroline was anxious for a way to assert her independence. She was in her late adolescence, and here was this older, worldly man.

She wanted to settle down and marry and have children. Philippe still wanted to party. They did not have the same view of life, the same goals at that time. They had a VERY incompatible understanding of what Christian marriage is/was.

Who knows if things might have turned out differently if they had lived together first or if they had met when Caroline was older?

I have always thought Philippe was an attractive man. I know I am in the minority but I did not find Stefan Casiraghi hot at all, he looked like a milquetoast, God rest his soul.

But he and Caroline have the most gorgeous children imaginable, that is for certain.

oxygen 07-21-2008 07:18 PM

What's a milquetoast?

Moonmaiden23 07-21-2008 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by oxygen (Post 801883)
What's a milquetoast?

LOL! It's a rather bland, mild, passive looking and behaving person. Whenever I look at the wedding photo of Caroline and Stefano it's the word that comes to mind(even though the Princess looked radiant)

Odette 07-21-2008 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by oxygen (Post 801883)
What's a milquetoast?

Someone who is easily pushed around.

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Originally Posted by CaliforniaDreamin (Post 801886)
LOL! It's a rather bland, mild, passive looking and behaving person. Whenever I look at the wedding photo of Caroline and Stefano it's the word that comes to mind(even though the Princess looked radiant)

Oh I have so much to say but this is the wrong forum. Meet me at the Princess Carolina forum so we do not get kicked out. LOL

Moonmaiden23 07-21-2008 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Odette (Post 801889)
Oh I have so much to say but this is the wrong forum. Meet me at the Princess Carolina forum so we do not get kicked out. LOL

Yoo hoo, Odette! Which Forum...the Caroline and Husbands? I think I am hated over there LOL!

Odette 07-21-2008 07:43 PM

I did not even know there is a forum called that let me go look for it.
Can you honestly believe supporters of a royal hate those who have negative comments about them???
BTW What is Monsieur Junot up to these days? I have not seen him next to lady in a long while.....

Moonmaiden23 07-21-2008 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Odette (Post 801897)
I did not even know there is a forum called that let me go look for it.
Can you honestly believe supporters of a royal hate those who have negative comments about them???
BTW What is Monsieur Junot up to these days? I have not seen him next to lady in a long while.....

I don't know what he is up to, I saw a photo of him in a Swedish magazine but I can't speak or read the language of course. This was a while ago. He was married to a lovely woman named Nina-who was also much younger than him. And Nina became the mother of his children. I think they are divorced.

Philippe initially opposed the Vatican's annulment of his marriage to Caroline...I have no idea why!

Winnie 07-21-2008 09:47 PM

Why in the world did he oppose the Catholic annulment on his marriage to Caroline? Now that just doesn't make sense. Maybe he never wanted her to be able to marry again with the blessing of the Vatican, which would have distroyed her parents.

EmpressRouge 07-21-2008 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Winnie (Post 801922)
Why in the world did he oppose the Catholic annulment on his marriage to Caroline? Now that just doesn't make sense. Maybe he never wanted her to be able to marry again with the blessing of the Vatican, which would have distroyed her parents.

Maybe it was out of spite. But supposedly, Junot softened his objection to the annulment (or Caroline was hoping that he would) after he had married and had children of his own. I think the annulment came around 1992 after the tragic death of Stefano.

oxygen 07-22-2008 01:43 AM

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Originally Posted by CaliforniaDreamin (Post 801886)
LOL! It's a rather bland, mild, passive looking and behaving person. Whenever I look at the wedding photo of Caroline and Stefano it's the word that comes to mind(even though the Princess looked radiant)

Sorry, I've just never heard nor seen that word used before.

rosana 07-23-2008 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by CaliforniaDreamin (Post 801882)
She wanted to settle down and marry and have children. Philippe still wanted to party. They did not have the same view of life, the same goals at that time. They had a VERY incompatible understanding of what Christian marriage is/was.

Who knows if things might have turned out differently if they had lived together first or if they had met when Caroline was older?

I don´t think she wanted to settle down exactly, i read in an interview, she said she wanted to get independence and live with her boyfriend, but it was not well seen at that time.She also said she married as a way of rebeling to her parents who constantly critizised her relationship. In her own words "it was as simple and stupid as that".

Moonmaiden23 07-23-2008 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by rosana (Post 802581)
I don´t think she wanted to settle down exactly, i read in an interview, she said she wanted to get independence and live with her boyfriend, but it was not well seen at that time.She also said she married as a way of rebeling to her parents who constantly critizised her relationship. In her own words "it was as simple and stupid as that".


Oh wow, thanks Rosana. That's sad that she had to learn such a painful and costly lesson the hard way.

Maybe that is why she seems to take such a hands off attitude with the personal lives of her own children.

giov 07-23-2008 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by EmpressRouge (Post 801938)
Maybe it was out of spite. But supposedly, Junot softened his objection to the annulment (or Caroline was hoping that he would) after he had married and had children of his own. I think the annulment came around 1992 after the tragic death of Stefano.

They asked for the anulment before Grace's death, Grace came to Rome for the first hearings, and, you are right, it came after Stefano's death!
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Originally Posted by rosana (Post 802581)
She also said she married as a way of rebeling to her parents who constantly critizised her relationship.

...and also because after the pics on the boat, her parents had to announce her engagement because it was considered a scandal.
Poor Caroline, nowdays those pics wouldn't be considered that scandalous!

pamk 07-23-2008 06:56 PM

I was living in Paris at the time of Caroline's rebellion. She would leave Grace at the apartment and go out in the evening. Caroline would cut the neckline on her outfits so that looked even more risque once she left for a party.
There were many men in Paris like Philippe Junot --- wealthy playboys who bedded many young and beautiful women. Caroline was in way over her head. These were very jaded, sophisticated and older people who were used to this kind of lifestyle.
Once Caroline was caught topless with Junot by the papparazzi, the engagement was immediately announced. Junot brought a photographer pal along on the honeymoon
(to Tahiti, I think) and the subsequent photos were published in Paris Match. Not a very auspicious start to any marriage.
I think that Junot objected to the annulment of the marriage by the Vatican because of the reason given by Caroline for the annulment. Something like he entered into the marriage deceptively, never intended to have children, whatever. I am sure that the annnulment was a matter of pride to a very proud and egotistical man who did not want his reputation smeared.
Junot is the kind of man who should never marry. Somehow he has had the means to support himself and live a pretty quiet life. Still likes to hang out with the Euro crowd and pretty young things. Besides a book (?) he has written, he has managed to keep himself out of the spotlight. Stefano was a boy compared to Phillipe and EA isn't even in his league.

Odette 07-23-2008 09:16 PM

Well looks like she got what she wanted and Monsieur Junot was first on the line..........then came Stefano then came Ernst August.

sm1939 07-24-2008 06:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by giov (Post 802612)
They asked for the anulment before Grace's death, Grace came to Rome for the first hearings, and, you are right, it came after Stefano's death!

...and also because after the pics on the boat, her parents had to announce her engagement because it was considered a scandal.
Poor Caroline, nowdays those pics wouldn't be considered that scandalous!


what pictures are these ??

EllieSofie 07-24-2008 06:44 AM

I found the article People ran the week Princess Caroline married Mr. Junot. Here is the link... The Princess & Her Playboy - Weddings, Philippe Junot, Princess Caroline : People.com
Sorry if this has been posted before, I barely ran into it and don't have the time to read through the whole thread. Enjoy the article. :flowers:

P.S.
For more People articles regarding the Grimaldi and Casiraghi families, including the birth of Andrea check out this thread.
https://www.theroyalforums.com/forums...es-5960-2.html

Moonmaiden23 07-24-2008 11:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EllieSofie (Post 802798)
I found the article People ran the week Princess Caroline married Mr. Junot. Here is the link... The Princess & Her Playboy - Weddings, Philippe Junot, Princess Caroline : People.com
Sorry if this has been posted before, I barely ran into it and don't have the time to read through the whole thread. Enjoy the article. :flowers:

P.S.
For more People articles regarding the Grimaldi and Casiraghi families, including the birth of Andrea check out this thread.
https://www.theroyalforums.com/forums...cles-5960.html


I remember it well...isn't it strange that a gypsy predicted at the time that Caroline would have THREE children?? Which she did of course, with her second husband.

And then she married Ernst-August and had a fourth.

giov 07-24-2008 11:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sm1939 (Post 802788)
what pictures are these ??

As Pamk wrote in her post, Caroline was caught topless with Junot by the paparazzi.
This is a link to a post of Tosca's you might be intersted in.
https://www.theroyalforums.com/forums/505441-post49.html

Odette 07-24-2008 12:45 PM

Does anyone remember the Johnie Carson late night show where he interviewed the Argentinian tennis player (name escapes me) who was dating Caroline when she was perhaps 17 or so and Johnie asked him if she was a virgin? If I remember correctly Prince Rainier threatened to sue for defamation of character. These were pre Junot days.

giov 07-24-2008 01:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Odette (Post 802896)
Does anyone remember the Johnie Carson late night show where he interviewed the Argentinian tennis player (name escapes me) who was dating Caroline when she was perhaps 17 or so and Johnie asked him if she was a virgin? If I remember correctly Prince Rainier threatened to sue for defamation of character. These were pre Junot days.

His name was Guillermo Vilas, but he dated Caroline after her divorce.

Odette 07-24-2008 01:13 PM

Who knows Giov?? LOL I am having a lot of senior moments lately.
However would it make any sese to ask anyone dating a divorcee if she was a virgin and have her father riled enough to threaten a lawsuit?
I have to research this a little more.

Mandy 07-24-2008 03:55 PM

Please everyone, let's get back to Philippe Junot! There are separate threads to discuss Stefano Casiraghi and Ernst August.

Thanks,

Mandy

Ducii 07-25-2008 08:17 AM

Who is Philippe Junot?? I don't know this name....

giov 07-25-2008 09:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ducii (Post 803251)
Who is Philippe Junot?? I don't know this name....

Princess Caroline's first husband!

monaco70s 07-25-2008 04:57 PM

I remember seeing a magazine cover that mentioned something related to him...it was around 1977 if I'm not mistaken.

The People Magazine article is very informative...it says Phillippe was lost at sea for 2 days when he was younger. And that he followed Caroline when the family travelled around the US in 1976.

pamk 07-25-2008 05:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sm1939 (Post 802788)
what pictures are these ??

Junot and Caroline were out on a boat at sea and she was sunbathing topless --- could have been fooling around a little ... the papparazzi got photos and anyway Grace and Rainier were horrified, of course, and so the engagement was immediately annnounced -
(Much to Caroline's satisfaction, I am sure!)

Mandy 07-25-2008 06:49 PM

Second time: Posts unrelated to Philippe Junot have been deleted. Please stay on topic.

Thanks,
Mandy

Odette 07-25-2008 07:59 PM

Have we established what is Phillippe Junot doing these days? Is he still a banker or whatever. Has he remarried? He still lives in Paris?

monaco70s 07-25-2008 11:56 PM

If I'm not mistaken he is divorced right now. There was a party in Ibiza like 3 years ago and he was there, and so was Chantal (with an Italian noble).

Ducii 08-02-2008 07:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by giov (Post 803271)
Princess Caroline's first husband!

I thought that Stefano Casiraghi was her first husband....

iceflower 08-02-2008 10:37 AM

No, Ducii, he wasn't..;)

Here's a recent pic of Philippe together with his ex-wife Nina
at a party in Marbella around one or two weeks ago. According
to the article they are divorced but still good friends:

Philippe Junot in July 2008

Johnnie 08-02-2008 11:49 AM

You know, after studying photos of Philippe Junot I have to agree with those here who think he has sex appeal. He most certainly did, and for a man his age, he still has it. He's aged well. He's handsome in a very rugged way, and has a very masculine, suave energy about him. It's very easy to understand how a very young Caroline fell hard for Philippe.

I have to agree that when you compare Junot to Stefano, there's simply no comparison in regards to sex appeal. Junot wins hands down. As for Ernst......let's not even go there!

iloveroyals 08-02-2008 12:09 PM

Am I mistaken or is he tugging at the ring finger of his left hand ? Analysts out there, what do you make of this ?

Odette 08-02-2008 01:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Johnnie (Post 806566)
You know, after studying photos of Philippe Junot I have to agree with those here who think he has sex appeal. He most certainly did, and for a man his age, he still has it. He's aged well. He's handsome in a very rugged way, and has a very masculine, suave energy about him. It's very easy to understand how a very young Caroline fell hard for Philippe.

I have to agree that when you compare Junot to Stefano, there's simply no comparison in regards to sex appeal. Junot wins hands down. As for Ernst......let's not even go there!

Oh Johnnie dear, not all ladies fall for the ruggedy masculine sex appeal of Phillipe Junot.........I for one never found anything attractive about him. He was a party man about town and an opportunist. I still wonder what did Caroline find in him.

supernova 08-03-2008 03:41 PM

I wonder what does Caroline feel looking at Junots´ pics?

tan_berry 08-03-2008 06:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by supernova (Post 806913)
I wonder what does Caroline feel looking at Junots´ pics?

"¡Mon Dieu (Good Lord in french), how could I fall so low!"

I agree there is some animal thing about him, because good looking he was not. She reacted quickly, and looked for the opposite man, human beings are
very prone to that defense mechanism. Cassiraghi was a family man. She looked for integrity, and besides the guy was terribly handsome and rich. So good, because now we can admire that beautiful Casiraghi trio (provided Andrea is better). :smile:

Moonmaiden23 08-05-2008 06:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by iceflower (Post 806552)
No, Ducii, he wasn't..;)

Here's a recent pic of Philippe together with his ex-wife Nina
at a party in Marbella around one or two weeks ago. According
to the article they are divorced but still good friends:

Philippe Junot in July 2008


Nina is a strikingly beautiful woman...Philippe chooses well when it comes to his wives, I see!

cdm 08-06-2008 04:40 AM

I think Philippe was a good looking guy for the 70's (keeping in mind what fashion and style were hot at that time) and that he's now looking good for his age. Seeing his children and Caroline's, I think they would have had really good looking kids if they have had any together and that they would be a good looking couple if they were still together today.

orsinger 08-10-2008 08:31 PM

He never seems to smile in his pictures...
Does anyone know how he really earns a living or how well he has done?

nanaweiker 11-21-2008 09:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by christinacg (Post 466130)
Does anyone have any more background into this marriage and the ages of his children? Victoria appears to be about Charlotte's age doesnt she?

victoria is from 86, alexis is from 88 and isabelle is from 90, if i'm not mistaken...i'm guessing for they grad year.
they all attended Rosey in swiss, but they went to swans school in marbela spain before that.

iloveroyals 12-24-2008 07:14 AM

Sad news, at least financially, for Philippe Junot, who's been hit, like the rest of us, by the economic crisis. This from AP, yesterday : Philippe Junot was one of the clients of Rene-Thierry Magon de la Villehuchet, a prominent investor who came from a long line of aristocratic Frenchmen and founder of an investment fund that lost millions with Bernard Madoff. M. de la Villehuchet committed suicide in New York 2 days ago. Another famous client of his was Prince Michel of Yugoslavia.

Glistening Seas 12-24-2008 10:00 AM

Glistening Seas
 
It is sad that m. vill. committed suicide. It seems a little drastic?? doesn't it? They may have lost millions but wouldn't she have recovered from it?? It seems like an extreme reaction to that? Any opinions on thaaat?:poinsettia:

BENET 12-24-2008 12:32 PM

De La Villehuchet founded Access in 1994 with Patrick Littaye. One of the firm’s partners was Philippe Junot, according to the marketing documents. Junot is the former husband of Princess Caroline of Monaco. Prince Michel of Yugoslavia is an investor relations executive, according to the documents.

iloveroyals 12-24-2008 03:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Glistening Seas (Post 871536)
It is sad that m. vill. committed suicide. It seems a little drastic?? doesn't it? They may have lost millions but wouldn't she have recovered from it?? It seems like an extreme reaction to that? Any opinions on thaaat?:poinsettia:

It seems indeed a drastic act, reminiscent of The Great Depression reactions. It is all the more sad as it is happening around Christmas time (or Hanukkah) when many families get together and celebrate joy. Unless M. de Villehuchet was involved in a scandal, it may have been a matter of honor to him.
I've always had a soft spot for Philippe Junot, in spite of his being the bad boy knave type. To him, I would say, hang on to what matters, which is family and friends. May those who love you and whom you love rally around you in this sad occasion.

Odette 12-24-2008 04:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Glistening Seas (Post 871536)
It is sad that m. vill. committed suicide. It seems a little drastic?? doesn't it? They may have lost millions but wouldn't she have recovered from it?? It seems like an extreme reaction to that? Any opinions on thaaat?:poinsettia:

These people within the inner circle and out reportedly lost billions of dollars. It is always sad if one is pushed to a drastic move as suicide. However these and others became billionaires and played in a totally different playground. Their status is backed by their wealth and achievements. If both are lost, besides the guilt, they may be driven to drastic measures. Of course there are others who parade about as if nothing happenned . If one thinks we are talking Billions one can easily imagine who is involved in these investments.
Is it a fact that Phillipe Junot lost a lot of money??

Winnie 12-24-2008 06:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Odette (Post 871641)
These people within the inner circle and out reportedly lost billions of dollars. It is always sad if one is pushed to a drastic move as suicide. However these and others became billionaires and played in a totally different playground. Their status is backed by their wealth and achievements. If both are lost, besides the guilt, they may be driven to drastic measures. Of course there are others who parade about as if nothing happenned . If one thinks we are talking Billions one can easily imagine who is involved in these investments.
Is it a fact that Phillipe Junot lost a lot of money??

They just stated in passing on CNN that this awful scandal has cost many foreign leaders and royals millions, but did not state names. I am sure that we will never know as it is something that is personal income.


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