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Jason87 06-30-2010 06:52 AM

Hey. Which Duke of Kent was homosexual? Obviously the title is passed down. Is it this one "H.R.S. Duke of Kent, Chairman of the Royal RAF Benevolent Fund" ?
KNIGHTS OF THE AIR - British Pathe

His voice certainly comes across as a little camp and dainty in that video!

Dierna23 06-30-2010 07:44 AM

:previous:

Yes, it is Prince George, Duke of Kent, in this video who was said to be bisexual. He's the father of the current Duke of Kent and an uncle of Queen Elizabeth II.

Biri 06-30-2010 07:57 AM

So his marriage with Princess Marina of Greece was probably unhappy...

Dierna23 06-30-2010 07:58 AM

I don't think so. From what I've read they had a good relationship and I believe they loved each other. It might not have been a marriage in the conventional sense, though.

nascarlucy 07-01-2010 08:19 PM

i've read bit and pieces of this thread. I would imagine a royal someday will come out and say that he or she is gay. If the person was an heir to the throne, it would be very interesting what the response of the public would be. The reaction would probably be mixed. Some would never accept their sexual orientation.

I would think if a royal was gay, it would not be fair to them to date someone of the opposite sex for years or lead this person to believe that a long-term relationship or marriage was in the cards and then break up with them to be with a same-sex partner.

What wedmonds has said is a very interesting solution to a heir to the throne who was gay. In this case, no one would be hiding anything. However, I would have to wonder depending on the country if this solution would be accepted by the parliament (some royal marriages have to have the approval of a living Monarch or their legislature). I don't think a same-sex marriage of any royal would be accepted if the county was conservative or the Monarch or legislature was conservative. If this ever comes up, it will be interesting to see what the outcome would be. I wold have one question though, would this woman who agreed to be a surrogate have visitation rights?

COUNTESS 07-01-2010 08:29 PM

I am sure there have been "Gay" royals. George, Duke of Kent, was, alledgedly, bisexual. So, having a woman as a wife wasn't a problem. I, think, the figure is about 10% of the population is Gay, therefore, there must be, approximately, that same number amongst royals.

frank22 07-02-2010 12:07 AM

The father of Queen Sophia of Spain

Sister Morphine 07-02-2010 12:09 AM

I always heard rumors about the Duke of Windsor being gay and the Duchess of Windsor being a lesbian. I don't know if they are true or not, I think if they were something would have come out (pardon the pun) by now.

Warren 07-02-2010 06:13 AM

:previous:
This thread is more for known or acknowledged gay royalty rather than the purely speculative or "rumoured".

Lumutqueen 07-02-2010 06:16 AM

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Originally Posted by frank22 (Post 1105560)
The father of Queen Sophia of Spain

King Paul of Greece?

Warren 07-02-2010 06:24 AM

Yes, King Paul. The subject is discussed in the King Paul I & Queen Frederika thread in the Greek Royal History subforum from post #160.

wedmonds 07-11-2010 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by nascarlucy (Post 1105515)
...What wedmonds has said is a very interesting solution to a heir to the throne who was gay. In this case, no one would be hiding anything. However, I would have to wonder depending on the country if this solution would be accepted by the parliament (some royal marriages have to have the approval of a living Monarch or their legislature). I don't think a same-sex marriage of any royal would be accepted if the county was conservative or the Monarch or legislature was conservative.

You are correct, if the government and the people were against it then it could never happen. Especially in the UK, I don't see it as a possibility EVEN IN MY LIFETIME! I however do think it can happen in The Dutch, Spanish, and Swedish monarchies. Because those countries governments have all legalized gay marriage and I think the monarch being gay wouldn't be a big issue, if a heir was already been provided before the gay marriage took place! I think it could one day happen.

I think that it would be more possible if the monarch had the power to grant titles without the government's approval! He wouldn't be able to make his spouse King/Queen consort. Although, I think that he would be able to make them Prince/Princess consort with some kind of a peerage! I think that would be cool to be able to give your gay spouse a title of some sort!!!!

For example, if I was a Emperor with absolute power I would give my husband the title and style of His Majesty The King-Regent. And my reason for the term "regent" would mean that I would be giving my spouse permission to act in the role of monarch while I was away. And to act as head of state when I was unable to. He would not simply be "The King" meaning monarch. I would make sure that the precedence within the royal family was in order.

My title as Emperor (meaning, King of Kings), would outrank his King-Regent title. Since a Emperor is higher rank than a King. I would make sure that everyone knows he is only a consort and that I was Emperor. I would still hold power over him, and at the same time I would be giving him a title with "Majesty" so that when I die he can have the style of a Dowager Queen. I would want him to be known as HM King Angelo after I died (for example). I think something of that nature could work out fine!

Jacknch 07-12-2010 02:42 AM

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Originally Posted by wedmonds (Post 1099805)
I am gay, and if I was a absolute monarch I would first marry a woman. Have children. Divorce the woman and marry my partner. That way I have provided a heir to the throne. As well as a spare.

I would hire a woman who was a virgin to be surrogate mother to my children. She would be paid very well for all of this and the marriage would be set up as a business deal. Once the children were born we would negotiate a divorce so that I could marry my partner. I would give my ex-wife a Dukedom of some sort. She would be treated more kinder than Princess Diana and we would remain friends. Since I would be absolute I would have my partner legally adopt the children.

From a purely personal point of view, if you were an emperor, I think I'd rather you just got on and married your partner in the first place and not worry about having children.
It would hardly be seemly for someone in your exulted position to marry a woman knowing you are not in love with her, attempt to consumate the marriage in the hope of having children - assuming your gay partner is happy for you to be sexually active outside your relationsghip with him - and then divorce the poor woman and enter into a civil partnership - assuming your gay partner hasn't had enough and done a runner because of your apparently "straight" philandering ways!
An alternative might be to have a hareem of concubines available for child production following your civil partnership (and of course you could both use the facility if that is what floats your boat) but this might be thought of as a slightly outdated proposition in this day and age.
Being a gay monarch married to a woman would surely result in the ever present worry of the fact that being gay you're not supposed to find woman sexually attractive, which is clearly the major obstacle in having sex with someone....and in that respect, I for one would rather not been born of parents whose proposal for the creation of a baby was the use of cooking equipment found at the back of a cupboard!

wedmonds 07-14-2010 10:06 PM

I understand your point of view. Maybe I would stress upon my other royal family members that the monarchy is in their hands. And it would be up to them to continue the blood-line. They would have to produce children so that someone could take the throne when I would die.

My only concern would be for my partner, who would be left alone in a royal family that may not accept him? Or treat him well?? I would make sure that he had a trust fund with plenty of money before I died. That way he would be able to provide for himself in his later years, and not have to depend on my family. Who may not like him and may mistreat him.

Many dowager queens and dowager princesses consorts have been mistreated by there step children and in-laws after their husband died. That has happened many times in history. I wouldn't want my Prince to be left out on the street...

Keystone 07-15-2010 01:59 AM

I have not yet read through the complete thread as yet, but one person worth mentioning here is the indominatable Red Duchess, the late Dona Luisa Isabel Álvarez de Toledo, 21st Duchess of Medina Sidonia and three-time Grandee of Spain. Though not technically a member of a royal family, she was a scone of one of the most prestigious Spanish nobility. Born in exile in Portugal during the Second Republic, she returned to her home of the Palace of the Dukes in Sanlúcar de Barrameda, near Seville.

She earned the title La Duquesa Roja from the Spanish press for her socialist activism on behalf of the people, and led the protest against Franco, who had the duchess incarcerated in the prison of Alcalá de Henares in the 1960s. Following her release, she continued to work for the people’s welfare and reportedly joined the outlawed Spanish Socialist Workers' Party. She was not a republican, but anti-fascist. Following the restoration of the constitutional monarchy in Spain in 1978, she became a historian and author, establishing the Fundación Casa Medina Sidonia and organizing the extensive House Archives, reportedly one of the most extensive in the world in private hands- it is said that the House Archives of Medina Sidonia are on the scale of a national archive!

“During her extensive research in the archives she discovered documents which convinced her that America was discovered a long time before Columbus by Arab-andalusian or Moroccan sailors trading with ports in Brazil, Guayana and Venezuela and she published her views in “No fuimos nosotros (It wasn't us)" and "África versus América.”

In August 2008, three years after gay marriage was legalized in Spain, Dona Luisa married her long time companion in an articulo mortis (deathbed) ceremony Liliana Maria Dahlmann, now the “dowager duchess” and custodian of the House of Medina Sidonia Archives.


Her extensive titles included:
  • Noble titles recognized by the Spanish Ministry of Justice:
    • Duchess of Medina-Sidonia, Grandee of Spain (1957)
    • Duchess of Fernandina
    • Marchioness of Villafranca del Bierzo, Grandee of Spain (1957).
    • Marchioness of Los Vélez, Grandee of Spain (1951).
  • Titles recognized by the Assembly of Noble Italians
    • Princess of Montalbano (1957).
    • Princess of Paternò (1957).
    • Countess of Sclafani (1957).
    • Countess of Adernò (1957).
    • Countess of Caltabellotta (1957).
    • Countess of Caltaxineta (1957).
    • Countess of Caltabuturo (1959).
    • Countess of Collesano (1962)
    • Marchioness of Calatafimi (1959).
    • Baroness of Molins del Rey (1959).
    • Baroness of Centorvi (1959).
    • Baroness of Biancavilla (1959).

wedmonds 07-19-2010 08:37 PM

I don't think in Spain a gay spouse of a noble get's a title. If her spouse was called a "Duchess" it was probably in The Duchess of Medina Sidonia's ducal court ONLY. I highly doubt that her title was recognized by the state or the royal court of Spain. It was nice of the Duchess regnant to let her wife take the title of Duchess. Although I highly doubt that it was confirmed by law.

Keystone 07-20-2010 03:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wedmonds (Post 1114043)
I don't think in Spain a gay spouse of a noble get's a title. If her spouse was called a "Duchess" it was probably in The Duchess of Medina Sidonia's ducal court ONLY. I highly doubt that her title was recognized by the state or the royal court of Spain. It was nice of the Duchess regnant to let her wife take the title of Duchess. Although I highly doubt that it was confirmed by law.



I have written to the Spanish Ministry of Justice regarding the formalities for a gay marriage and noble titles, but have not yet received an email response. The article "The Power of the New Duchess " in Teimpo addresses Liliana as the 'Dowager Duchess of Medina Sidona', "No matter who likes it", according to the article, lol. The article states the title is strictly honorary however, but that is true for all widow titles. The 21st Duchess did make her wife, Liliana Marie, as President-for-Life of the House of Medina Sidona Foundation. The House of Medina Sidona Foundation owns basically all of the assets that the 21st Duchess inherited, and she placed them in a trust to prevent her heirs from selling the estate or dividing the extensive archives. According to the Foundation charter, if the noble family were to find themselves without a legal heir, then the foundation would desolve and the local government would take ownership and guardianship of the assets.

Don Leoncio Alonso de Gregorio, the 22nd Duque de Medina Sidona, is a professor with the University of Castile-La Mancha and the Diplomatic School of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and Cooperation, but is also employed for life in the House of Medina Sidona Foundation. Don Leoncio's wife is Dona María Montserrat Viñamata y Martorell and is the current Duchess 'Consort', but this position does not displace the Dowager Duchess, who for all legal circumstances is the legal widow of the 21st Duchess. Even if, Gods forbid, the current 22 Duke were to expire, then there would be two dowager duchesses of equal legal standing.

jrhino 11-06-2010 05:45 PM

I think that in this day and age it is about time for gay members of the royal families to be proud of their sexuality and not hide behind sham marriages that ,more often than not, produce children who grow up without a true sense of family unity.
As a gay man myself, I would be proud to marry a male member of a royal family and stand by his side... also to produce children with him. Maybe I am lucky that both of sisters have said ,upon my marriage, they would donate eggs to mix with my husbands sperm to produce biological kids. However I can't be the ONLY gay man who has sisters who would do this. In my opinion, gay royals should be able to marry the person they love... weather they are heirs to the throne or not!

Madame Royale 11-06-2010 08:51 PM

Perhaps in the perfect world, or even Europe at some point, it could work like that...

Certainly in Asia and the Middle East that really isn't, and dare I suggest is never likely to be, possible. In Saudi Arabia alone the act of homosexual relations remains punishable by death. Normally hanging.

I don't think anyone needs to say just how barbaric and disgusting any such treatment really is, but these are countries that are heavily conservative, if not largely finatical at times, when it comes to religion.

nascarlucy 11-08-2010 07:12 PM

If a gay royal did came out, they would probably be from Europe, not from Asia or the Middle East.


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