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Margrethe II 04-27-2006 09:09 PM

Danmark being such a gay friendly country though, I believe it would not be such an issue to have an openly gay royal...in regards to a gay sovereign...hmmm, I'm still far from sold on that one but to have an openly gay member of the royal family who holds a senior position, would be, I think more accepted in Danmark than most other countries.

I'm sure the Netherlands would be much the same in nowadays.

And by senior position I mean brother or sister of the Sovereign, or son & daughter of the sovereign who is not the heir to the throne


"MII" :)

Ms Griffin 04-27-2006 11:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Margrethe II
but to have an openly gay member of the royal family who holds a senior position, would be, I think more accepted in Danmark than most other countries.

I'm sure the Netherlands would be much the same in nowadays.

I think we can add Sweden and Norway to the pool. :)

But Britain, Spain, Belgium? :confused: Not convinced.

Margrethe II 04-28-2006 12:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Ms Griffin
I think we can add Sweden and Norway to the pool. :)

But Britain, Spain, Belgium? :confused: Not convinced.

You know what Ms "G".. I was going to mention Sweden & Norway but wasn't totally sure..thank you :)

Spain, Belgium, Luxembourg & Monaco...not convinced and never will be ;) :D

Jordan..Now that would be one ghastly situation!

"MII"

P.S. I am in no way, shape or form being sarcastic toward those ruling houses associated with the Roman Catholic faith or Islam.

crisiñaki 04-28-2006 12:44 AM

Britain is too prudish about their RF (trust me, I live in England) and about Spain and Belgium, the day they'll accept a gay monarch would be the day the Vatican aproves gay marriage and adoption of children so it'll never happen

Marengo 04-28-2006 06:56 AM

Belgium is not that conservative anymore these days. I believe they recently allowed gay couples to adopt children and they have the gay marriage since 2003.

Margrethe II 04-28-2006 07:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Marengo
Belgium is not that conservative anymore these days. I believe they recently allowed gay couples to adopt children and they have the gay marriage since 2003.

So, you think Belgium would openly accept a senior royal who is gay?

"MII"

Marengo 04-28-2006 07:30 AM

They would mock him/her, that is for sure. But that would happen anyware. It depends what you mean with senior royal, if that is the heir or the monarch it would be problamatic I guess, as it would be in any monarchy. But a 2nd son/daughter would be acceptable for the general public I think.

BeatrixFan 04-28-2006 10:47 AM

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Britain is too prudish about their RF (trust me, I live in England)
How so? I've never heard that before. Always nice to see how others think of us.

Alastair_r 03-10-2007 08:36 PM

As 10 % of the world is gay there must be a gay Royal. Do you think a Prince's boyfriend would ever have a role in the family like another royals partner might ? X

sirhon11234 03-10-2007 08:52 PM

For me personally I don't have a problem with gays or lesbians. Especially lesbians. Society in the u.s. treats gays like they are leapors and are about to spread a disease. Its these same prejudices that led to hate and even the second world war.

Madame Royale 03-10-2007 10:15 PM

Sexual preference? It is but a small element of what defines someone :flowers:

morhange 03-11-2007 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by crisiñaki
Britain is too prudish about their RF (trust me, I live in England) and about Spain and Belgium, the day they'll accept a gay monarch would be the day the Vatican aproves gay marriage and adoption of children so it'll never happen

Do you mean adoption of children by gay couples, or adoption of children by any couples?

Henri M. 03-11-2007 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Margrethe II
So, you think Belgium would openly accept a senior royal who is gay?

It is the Constitution which determines the line of succession to the throne. Whether the Heir(ess) to the throne is homosexual or not, is totally irrelevant for the Constitution.

There is one major exception: in no monarchy, also not in the Netherlands, children from a gay royal marriage are in line of succession. This because two gays or two lesbians always need a third person to create a child. The succession is meant for legal offspring born in a consented marriage. (In the Netherlands even Parliament has to vote about an Act of Consent!).

This 'third person' (the man who delivers his semen in a lesbian marriage or a woman who 'borrows' her womb in a gay marriage) is no part of this marriage. Technically the child is born out of wedlock or illegitimate and therefore the child can never be in the line of succession.

Lord of Cowley 03-17-2007 10:39 PM

This is an interesting thread. However, no one to my knowledge has mentioned the fact that in England, the monarch's coronation is a Christian one, with prayers made to Jesus, etc. etc. So, my question is this: how could an English king in good conscience, make the vows to God, Jesus, etc. during the coronation ceremony, while knowingly practicing something that is not condoned by Christianity?

What does everyone else think?

Aurora810 03-18-2007 12:27 AM

I know that Monaco's RF is catholic but I kind of tend to think of it as less conservative. Can anyone else with more knowledge of Monaco weigh in? I'm not saying they would accept this of say Prince Albert but would it be a big deal if one of the kids of Caroline or Stephanie was gay?

Madame Royale 03-18-2007 03:45 AM

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how could an English king in good conscience, make the vows to God, Jesus, etc. during the coronation ceremony, while knowingly practicing something that is not condoned by Christianity?
Though I understand perfectly what you're saying, I do hope you aren't insinuating that a homosexual man (King, lawyer, painter, whatever) cannot have faith just because he is, homosexual.

'While knowingly practicing'! My goodness that line does bother me somewhat. That makes it sound (to me) as if it were a deviate act which can be prevented.

ysbel 03-18-2007 04:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Lord of Cowley
So, my question is this: how could an English king in good conscience, make the vows to God, Jesus, etc. during the coronation ceremony, while knowingly practicing something that is not condoned by Christianity?

What does everyone else think?

Well Richard the Lionhearted did it. :ermm:

Butterwicke 03-18-2007 05:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Lord of Cowley
...how could an English king in good conscience, make the vows to God, Jesus, etc. during the coronation ceremony, while knowingly practicing something that is not condoned by Christianity?

Well, clearly one should wait till after the ceremony to "practice" such a thing as it could become a bit distracting. :lol:


Seriously, though... You say "Christianity" like it's a uniform, homogeneous entity, which could not be further from the truth. There are probably hundreds of individual, distinct denominations within the Christian Church. Several of these are welcoming and accepting of homosexuality, including Unitarian, Metropolitan Community, and several Episcopal congregations, to name a few. So to say "Christianity doesn't condone homosexuality" is inaccurate without describing further the version of "Christianity" to which you are referring.

Granted, the only churches that would matter in your example would be the Churches of England & Scotland, whose stance on the subject (this week) I am not familiar with. It should be noted that a gay king could be celebate, in which case he would not offend the "church" by practicing homosexual acts. This would, however, not change the fact that the king was a homosexual. Though, according to "Christianity", shouldn't ANY unmarried monarch (gay or straight) be celebate until after they have been married?

Yeah, that'll happen.


Henri M. 03-18-2007 05:44 AM

No problem
 
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Originally Posted by Aurora810
I know that Monaco's RF is catholic but I kind of tend to think of it as less conservative. Can anyone else with more knowledge of Monaco weigh in? I'm not saying they would accept this of say Prince Albert but would it be a big deal if one of the kids of Caroline or Stephanie was gay?

Spain is Catholic, Belgium is Catholic, Luxembourg is Catholic, the Netherlands are (in majority) Catholic and all of them are quite liberal countries.
France is in name Catholic, but the division between Church and State is extreme in France and Monaco in general follows France in everything. The Church might condemn it. The State does not. And the Prince is not the head of the Church. He is the head of state.

:flowers:

Aurora810 03-19-2007 12:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Henri M.
France is in name Catholic, but the division between Church and State is extreme in France and Monaco in general follows France in everything. The Church might condemn it. The State does not. And the Prince is not the head of the Church. He is the head of state.:flowers:

Interesting! Thanks Henri:smile:


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