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tiaraprin 08-23-2005 03:56 AM

George IV (1762-1830)
 
Before the collapse of the marriage of Charles and Diana, there was another feuding Prince and Princess of Wales--George and Caroline of Brunswick. Their ill-fated marriage, separation, fights, and media ploys (even back then) can make Charles and Diana's marriage look somewhat sane!!

Let's take a trip back in history to these feuding Wales'. There is plenty of material to read and see. What are your opinions on George and Caroline??

Warren 08-23-2005 04:09 AM

Coronation Ban
 
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Originally Posted by tiaraprin
Before the collapse of the marriage of Charles and Diana, there was another feuding Prince and Princess of Wales--George and Caroline of Brunswick. Their ill-fated marriage, separation, fights, and media ploys (even back then) can make Charles and Diana's marriage look somewhat sane!!
Let's take a trip back in history to these feuding Wales'. There is plenty of material to read and see. What are your opinions on George and Caroline??

Well, there's the great story of George's coronation where he made the most elaborate (almost "Imperial") arrangements, only for Queen Caroline. who wasn't invited (!!) to try and gatecrash. But she wasn't allowed into the Abbey. Very embarassing for all concerned, and for poor Caroline, downhill from there.

Recommended book: "The Unruly Queen - The Life of Queen Caroline" by Flora Fraser, 1996.
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tiaraprin 08-23-2005 04:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Warren
Well, there's the great story of George's coronation where he made the most elaborate (almost "Imperial") arrangements, only for Queen Caroline. who wasn't invited (!!) to try and gatecrash. But she wasn't allowed into the Abbey. Very embarassing for all concerned, and for poor Caroline, downhill from there.

Recommended book: "The Unruly Queen - The Life of Queen Caroline" by Flora Fraser, 1996.
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Yes, she was barred from Westminster Abbey at many entrances such as Poet's Corner. She was a broken woman after this and died just a few weeks later.

On her tombstone it has the inscription "Caroline, the Injured Queen of England"

Australian 08-23-2005 08:48 AM

Some info on George
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_...United_Kingdom

Info on Caroline
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caroline_of_Brunswick

What a fiasco of a marriage. I wonder what was the actual cause of her death.

tiaraprin 08-23-2005 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Australian
Some info on George
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_...United_Kingdom

Info on Caroline
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caroline_of_Brunswick

What a fiasco of a marriage. I wonder what was the actual cause of her death.

Some reports have said it was due to the large amounts of Laudanum she was taking. Others say it was a problem of the digestive tract or cancer.

Mapple 08-23-2005 12:34 PM

An interesting link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pains_a...ties_Bill_1820

Elspeth 08-23-2005 04:01 PM

The tabloids would have loved it.

It's also interesting that George was encouraged by his mistress to marry Caroline rather than another possible princess because the mistress thought that Caroline would pose less of a threat to her than the other princess would have. In that case, George was annoyed enough by the fiasco of his marriage that he ended up ditching the mistress, unlike Charles and Camilla.

tiaraprin 08-23-2005 11:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Elspeth
The tabloids would have loved it.

It's also interesting that George was encouraged by his mistress to marry Caroline rather than another possible princess because the mistress thought that Caroline would pose less of a threat to her than the other princess would have. In that case, George was annoyed enough by the fiasco of his marriage that he ended up ditching the mistress, unlike Charles and Camilla.

Yes Lady Jersey, then George's mistress, picked out Caroline and coached Caroline to do everything George would hate to insure her position. Lady Jersey picked horrid clothes, hair designs, etc., all calculated to keep the Prince in her pocket. Lady Jersey was much older than the Prince and feared her attraction was slipping now that she was a grandmother in her 40's.

EmpressRouge 08-24-2005 07:20 PM

Even back then, the public sided with the woman in this nasty feud. It wasn't so much that the British public loved Caroline (who had many nasty faults) but they detested George. This exchange from Blackadder the Third sums it up:

Blackadder: ...They're going to bankrupt you.

George: Well, they can't do that. Why, the public love me! Only the other day, I
was out in the street and they sang, `We hail Prince George! We hail Prince
George!'

Blackadder: `We *hate* Prince George', sir. `We *hate* Prince George!'

tiaraprin 08-24-2005 07:42 PM

Portrait of their Wedding
 
https://www.georgianindex.net/princew...s_wedding.html

https://www.georgianindex.net/princew...g/pwedding.jpg

tiaraprin 08-24-2005 07:45 PM

Worthy of note:

At the wedding, George was quite drunk. He couldn't fufill his marital duties that night and fell out of the bed onto a grate. Caroline said that is where she left him!!

He managed somehow within the next 2 days because their only child, Charlotte was born exactly nine months later!

tiaraprin 08-31-2005 11:40 PM

Here is a potrait of Caroline of Brunswick:
https://www.answers.com/topic/caroline-of-brunswick

https://content.answers.com/main/cont..._Brunswick.jpg


Caroline has been spoken of being quite unattractive and unhygienic. This portrait of her seems pleasant enough. Did the artist flatter her, or were all these damaging reports as to her looks and hygiene true?? What say you?

Elspeth 08-31-2005 11:44 PM

It wasn't just George who complained of her hygiene, so the chances are that the portrait painter was taking a few liberties. As far as her being unattractive, that may be in the eyes of the beholder. Like another couple of Princes of Wales I could mention, George seemed to prefer older women.

iowabelle 08-31-2005 11:56 PM

But for the fact that he was Prince of Wales, George was no prize himself! Going in drunk to his new bride....

And I'm not even sure that being Prince of Wales made up for his shortcomings.

(And to be fair to Camilla, she's what, just about 1 1/2 years older than Charles? I just found out I'm a very distant cousin to Camilla, so I have to stick up for her, just the teensiest bit.)

tiaraprin 09-01-2005 12:14 AM

Related to Camilla?
 
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Originally Posted by iowabelle
But for the fact that he was Prince of Wales, George was no prize himself! Going in drunk to his new bride....

And I'm not even sure that being Prince of Wales made up for his shortcomings.

(And to be fair to Camilla, she's what, just about 1 1/2 years older than Charles? I just found out I'm a very distant cousin to Camilla, so I have to stick up for her, just the teensiest bit.)

How did you discover you were related to Camilla?? I wouldn't be pleased if I was related to her!!!:rolleyes: :eek: I wouldn't even acknowledge the fact!!:eek:

tiaraprin 09-01-2005 01:56 AM

Princess Charlotte Augusta of Wales
 
Here are two engravings of Princess Charlotte of Wales. One is of her on her wedding day to Queen Victoria's beloved Uncle Leopold of Saxe-Gotha and the other is a sole portrait of her in 1816.

Charlotte was the only child of George IV and Caroline of Brunswick. Charlotte had a turbulent childhood due to her parents' troubled marriage and their exploits. Charlotte had finally found hapiness with Prince Leopold only to die in childbirth of a stillborn son in 1817. If Charlotte had lived, Queen Victoria would never have born.

I wonder what kind of queen Charlotte would have been?

https://locutus.ucr.edu/~cathy/char/char1.html

https://locutus.ucr.edu/~cathy/images/i-char/char1.jpeg


https://locutus.ucr.edu/~cathy/char/char2.html


https://locutus.ucr.edu/~cathy/images/i-char/char2.gif

lashinka2002 09-01-2005 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Mapple

I wonder what Princess Charlotte thought of her father's treatment of her mother.

tiaraprin 09-02-2005 03:05 AM

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Originally Posted by lashinka2002
I wonder what Princess Charlotte thought of her father's treatment of her mother.

From what I have read, she wasn't happy and torn most of the time. Queen Charlotte tried to keep her from her mother and her father eventually got custody with very little visitation by Caroline. Before she met Leopold, George IV tried to force Charlotte to marry the Prince of Orange. Charlotte ran away to her mother's house for refuge and to show how distasteful the idea was to her. Charlotte was quite independent-minded for her day and she was determined to have a say in who her husband was.

iowabelle 09-02-2005 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by lashinka2002
I wonder what Princess Charlotte thought of her father's treatment of her mother.

One of the original dysfunctional families, don't you think?

tiaraprin 09-03-2005 01:07 AM

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Originally Posted by iowabelle
One of the original dysfunctional families, don't you think?

There was dysfunction long before this. Go Back to Henry II's reign with his wife Eleanor of Aquitaine. That was a dysfunctional marriage that produced children who all wanted their father's crown. Eleanor wanted revenge for Henry's affair with Rosamund Clifford. This was truly a violent, dysfunctional family during the Plantagenet saga.

gogm 06-11-2007 11:40 PM

Caroline of Brunswick and Her Wayward Hanover
 
I read somewhere that he did not like her body odor. That must have been something back then!:lol:

Mary1966 06-13-2007 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by tiaraprin
There was dysfunction long before this. Go Back to Henry II's reign with his wife Eleanor of Aquitaine. That was a dysfunctional marriage that produced children who all wanted their father's crown. Eleanor wanted revenge for Henry's affair with Rosamund Clifford. This was truly a violent, dysfunctional family during the Plantagenet saga.

The film "The Lion in Winter" did an interesting job of portraying the dysfunctional Plantagenets, with Peter O'Toole as Henry and Katherine Hepburn as Eleanor. Choice line from Eleanor: "This is 1183 and we are barbarians!"

acdc1 06-13-2007 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by gogm
I read somewhere that he did not like her body odor. That must have been something back then!:lol:

I have heard that there was very, very little about her that WAS likeable!:lol: She apparantly had awful hygene (one book I read said that it bordered on barbaric), horrendous manners and was just plain ugly. He was so upset that he got terribly drunk, but he managed to perform his, um, "duties" because Charlotte was born. After that first night, she didn't sleep with him in the same bed again, and she didn't have many nights under his roof after Charlotte's birth.

sirhon11234 06-13-2007 10:45 PM

I would imagine that a good majority of people back then would have bad body odor. But she was the Princess of Wales and eventually Queen one would think she would have baths often.

Elspeth 06-14-2007 12:26 AM

Apparently George IV was unusually fastidious for the time, and Caroline was unusually casual about personal hygiene. Not a good combination.

gogm 06-14-2007 01:42 AM

George IV
 
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Originally Posted by Elspeth
Apparently George IV was unusually fastidious for the time, and Caroline was unusually casual about personal hygiene. Not a good combination.

George IV did have Beau Brummel as a fashion advisor so he apparently was fastidious.

The picture in the Wikipedia article makes her look very attractive (painters can flatter out of all proportions). But the picture isn't "smellivision.":eek:

Mahoogie 06-15-2007 12:06 PM

According to the book I've read about Royal Scandals, before their wedding, British envoy sent to Germany to bring Caroline to England persuaded her to wash herself and her underwear before they left..but I really feel sorry for Princess Caroline the way Prince George treated her

Kelly 06-15-2007 10:43 PM

Well much of England was at her side due to the treatment done to her by her husband. Very interesting story by the way. I think George actually became this way due to the fact that he lost his true love for the crown of England.

daisygoogles 10-07-2007 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by tiaraprin (Post 269655)
Yes, she was barred from Westminster Abbey at many entrances such as Poet's Corner. She was a broken woman after this and died just a few weeks later.

On her tombstone it has the inscription "Caroline, the Injured Queen of England"

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I wonder who had that inscribed on her stone??
Where is she buried ,does anyone know?
Thanks

Royal Fan 10-07-2007 10:29 PM

How Sad. George seems Arrogant was he or just very shy and aloof

Elspeth 10-07-2007 10:37 PM

I don't think he was shy by any means.

Royal Fan 10-13-2007 02:09 AM

Did he have many Lovers and Illegitimate Children I Read somewhere he loved spending vast amounts of Money and almost went Bankrupt

Elspeth 10-13-2007 02:29 AM

Yes, he was very extravagant. I don't think he had many illegitimate children, if any, but his brother the Duke of Clarence (later William IV) had something like 10 illegitimate children with Dorothy Jordan, although when he had to get married to a princess to try and produce an heir, they never managed to have a child who survived infancy.

PrincessKoreen 10-16-2007 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by gogm (Post 625372)
I read somewhere that he did not like her body odor. That must have been something back then!:lol:

Yup.

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georgiea 07-29-2008 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by daisygoogles (Post 676751)
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I wonder who had that inscribed on her stone??
Where is she buried ,does anyone know?
Thanks

If my memory serves me right it was Caroline herself asked for that insciption. I think she is buried in Brunwick where she was born and raised.

Also she sis not want to waste time on washing herself like her husband would.:flowers:

Jo of Palatine 07-30-2008 05:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Elspeth (Post 679317)
Yes, he was very extravagant. I don't think he had many illegitimate children, if any, but his brother the Duke of Clarence (later William IV) had something like 10 illegitimate children with Dorothy Jordan, although when he had to get married to a princess to try and produce an heir, they never managed to have a child who survived infancy.

At one point queen Sophie-Charlotte, the consort of George III. was very angry about that fact that she had more than 21 illegitimate grandchildren but only one legitimate one: Princess Charlotte of Wales. She even lived to see this one legitimate grandchild die in childbirth in 1817, but died herself in 1818, before the future queen Victoria was born. Poor lady!

Esmeralda 07-31-2008 10:13 PM

She might have had some more legitimate grandchildren if she'd been more inclined to let her daughters marry. But even then, grandchildren who weren't the children of the royal princes might not have been as important to her.

Grace Angel 03-14-2009 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Kelly (Post 627339)
Well much of England was at her side due to the treatment done to her by her husband. Very interesting story by the way. I think George actually became this way due to the fact that he lost his true love for the crown of England.


You mean he treated her badly because he lost his true love for the crown of England or he became extravagant and also had all those mistresss and and a bad reputation because he lost his true love for the crown of England? Well, it seems from the very begining he was extravagant and had a bad reputation much like his brothers, for whom debts, mistresses and a bad reputation seemed to be very common. As for his treatment of his wife Caroline, it also fit into the long pattern of his life- sure,Caroline was no Princess Diana, but she deserved better than he gave her. I don't think George ever had any true love for the crown of England, at all, whether when he was king or before that ( most of his life he wasn't king anyway, merely Prince Regent or Prince of Wales)- he seemed more concerned about himself. Charlotte being head strong reminds me of Queen Victoria- so was she.

hennybenny 11-02-2009 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by gogm (Post 626413)
George IV did have Beau Brummel as a fashion advisor so he apparently was fastidious.

The picture in the Wikipedia article makes her look very attractive (painters can flatter out of all proportions). But the picture isn't "smellivision.":eek:

I have to agree. In this protrait of Caroline which is on her Wikipedia page, she looks downright gorgeous!
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi..._Brunswick.jpg

Lumutqueen 07-15-2010 10:03 AM

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How George IV used a trick bookcase to have trysts with his mistress (and now you can buy it for £80,000)

Vasillisos Markos 07-15-2010 11:03 PM

Now that's what I call getting down and dirty with the books

DeLorean 08-11-2011 10:53 AM

even after the disaster of this marriage it took the royals another (approximately) 200 years to realize a lesson that most people have known all along-let your children marry for love! well at least they got it by now

XeniaCasaraghi 08-11-2011 08:01 PM

Well Tsar Nicholas and Alexandra married for love and look how that ended up.
Edward II and George V married women who were suggested to them as good matches and those marriages were relatively happy if not full on happy. Prince Andrew and Sarah married for love and it didn't work out well either.

DeLorean 08-25-2011 12:25 AM

although Andrew and Fergie didn't work out, at least they got to meet and choose each other initially.
Tsar Nicholas was a tragedy that resulted from his relationship with his country, not his wife

XeniaCasaraghi 10-12-2011 02:49 AM

The tragedy that occurred in Russia had many factors one of them being Alexandra. The point I was trying to make is that just because two royals are told to marry simply because they are royal does not mean that a disaster is going to ensue. George's parents are another example of a happy couple who came about through negotiations and not love. Andrew and Sarah came together out of love and they were another disaster of the 80s marriages, so marrying for love doesn't mean that happily ever after is going to happen.
BTW I did not mean Edward II, I meant Edward VII and marrying Queen Alexandra.
As to the problems with Caroline, I blame George more than anybody else; so you didn't like her, who the heck cares just do your job and move on. The picture of Caroline on wikipedia is very surprising, I will not say she is drop dead gorgeous, but she is definitely not ugly. How many German princesses came over to England to marry a member of the royal family, only to end up being called ugly and stinky by the English?

XeniaCasaraghi 10-16-2011 05:38 AM

Can we get off the marriage of George and Caroline and talk about George himself. I know his father saw him as a disappointment, but how did the Prince feel and treat his father during his illnesses? Also did George ever become a worthy king?

CyrilVladisla 04-29-2014 04:44 PM

The last coronation feast held in Westminster Hall was for King George IV in 1821.
When war broke out with France in 1793, George begged his father, King George III, for a command in the army, but was refused.

Ana Von Cleves 04-30-2014 08:13 PM

Unfortunate German Princesses
 
Ummmmm.....Speaking of German Princesses who came to England only to be told they were smelly, by a perfectly repulsive groom who thought he was still god's gift... :whistling::rofl:

Seriously, I always felt a bit sorry for both Caroline & Anne of Cleves.

And I always suspected that Caroline was lead astray by one of the mistresses, but was never sure till I read this thread.

But at least Anne of Cleves was clever enough to get a fairly sweet deal out of the old boy.

XeniaCasaraghi 05-19-2014 08:45 PM

If I believed in reincarnation I would think Caroline was indeed Anne reborn.

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Denville 10-22-2017 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Ana Von Cleves (Post 1661909)
Ummmmm.....
And I always suspected that Caroline was lead astray by one of the mistresses, but was never sure till I read this thread.

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Caroline was not "led astray", she was a silly vulgar woman, pitiable only because George IV was so unpleasant and treated her badly. She was foolish, irresposnble, a little mad....

eya 01-05-2018 06:18 PM

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Buckeye Royal Fan 01-05-2018 06:59 PM

Different George and Caroline. This article is about George II and Caroline of Ansbach.

Denville 01-07-2018 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by XeniaCasaraghi (Post 1326761)
Can we get off the marriage of George and Caroline and talk about George himself. I know his father saw him as a disappointment, but how did the Prince feel and treat his father during his illnesses? Also did George ever become a worthy king?

He was never a wrothy King. he was selfish, irresponsible and was not particularly nice to his father, during the old King's madness. He was horrible to his daughter. Bad as she was, he treated Caroline badly. He was unfaithful to the woman he did love, Mrs Fitzherbert.
He had a certain charm which together with his royal status meant that some people forgave him his awful behaviour and had a certain liking for him.
But as the D of Wellington said, the sons of George III were millstones..

CyrilVladisla 07-20-2018 08:51 PM

In 1805 King George III made Caroline Ranger of Greenwich Park allowing her greater independence and financial security. Did George, Prince of Wales ask his father to do this?

Denville 07-21-2018 01:15 AM

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Originally Posted by CyrilVladisla (Post 2135512)
In 1805 King George III made Caroline Ranger of Greenwich Park allowing her greater independence and financial security. Did George, Prince of Wales ask his father to do this?

I have no idea, but Im sure the information wuodl be in some bios of George IV or Caroline. And I doubt it since George IV was hiostile to ihis wife, the rest of the RF didn't like her and it was mainly George III who showed her some kindness.

Kataryn 07-21-2018 01:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Denville (Post 2135581)
I have no idea, but Im sure the information wuodl be in some bios of George IV or Caroline. And I doubt it since George IV was hiostile to ihis wife, the rest of the RF didn't like her and it was mainly George III who showed her some kindness.


George III is known as a kind pater familias, who, while autocratic, took good care of his family. IIRC that's why Caroline became the wife of The Prince of Wales - she was the daughter of his sister Augusta who had married another cousin of the Brunswick-Wolfenbüttel-line, so Caroline was a "double" Welf-princess.

George III. saw to it, that his widow would be independent from their eldest son, then George IV. and saved his youngest sister Caroline-Mathilde from the Danish revolt under Dowager Queen Juliane (another Brunswick-princess) over the Struensee-affair and made the Danish give back Caroline-Mathilde's dowry, so she could spent that money while she lived in her brother's palace at Celle. While she died young, she had invested quite solid sums into the enlargement, modernisation and gardens of Celle Palace, in exactly the way she wanted.

So it is very plausible that George III. took care of his niece/daughter-in-law Caroline as well.

Plus he was a fair man - when Caroline, like Caroline-Mathilde in Denmark, was accused of adultery, he stood by both of them and rehabilitated Caroline completely. While Caroline-Mathilde had an affair with Dr.Struensee, Caroline was in fact proven innocent, but I'm sure the king would have found a solution if the situation would have been different.

Denville 07-21-2018 01:50 AM

I don't recollect that Caroline was provid innocent of adultery, but of being the mother of a child..
I seem to remember that George III knew that Caro had affairs, and felt that he could have forgiven one attachment since she was neglected but it was much more than that...

eya 07-24-2018 01:45 AM

Future King George IV bought Sense and Sensibility in 1811

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Kataryn 07-24-2018 02:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Denville (Post 2135598)
I don't recollect that Caroline was provid innocent of adultery, but of being the mother of a child..
I seem to remember that George III knew that Caro had affairs, and felt that he could have forgiven one attachment since she was neglected but it was much more than that...


There were rumours about that, so in 1806 George III. ordered a secret investigation with the result that the rumours "had no foundation". Later her husband tried to divorce her on the grounds of her infidelities but again there was no real proof other than rumours, so the process was stopped. As she died shortly after George IV. was crowned king, it didn't matter later anyway. But there never was real proof of her infidelity, while it was clear that the second child of Caroline-Mathilde was fathered by Johann Struensee. And if Struensee had in reality looked like Mads Mikkelsen in the Danish movie "A Royal Affair", everyone would have understood her. IMHO, of course. :biggrin:

LauraS3514 07-24-2018 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Denville (Post 2135598)
I don't recollect that Caroline was provid innocent of adultery, but of being the mother of a child..
I seem to remember that George III knew that Caro had affairs, and felt that he could have forgiven one attachment since she was neglected but it was much more than that...

Caroline herself said once that she only ever committed adultery with "the husband of Mrs Fitzherbert.":biggrin:

Denville 07-25-2018 02:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Kataryn (Post 2136547)
Ther But there never was real proof of her infidelity, while it was clear that the second child of Caroline-Mathilde was fathered by Johann Struensee. And if Struensee had in reality looked like Mads Mikkelsen in the Danish movie "A Royal Affair", everyone would have understood her. IMHO, of course. :biggrin:

just because she didn't have children, was not proof that she didn't have affairs. However I think the RF would have problably not wanted to expose her unless it was so utterly blatant (ie proof like her having a baby when it was well known that she and George were estranged)..
George would have liked to divorce her later on, to get rid of her and possibly remarry.. but the proof was all very vague, since she had been living abroad.. and it was mostly "servants gossip and rumours"...

CyrilVladisla 08-09-2018 09:26 PM

George IV as he last appeared in his pony carriage in Windsor Park.
https://www.gettyimages.com/license/3058089

CyrilVladisla 10-10-2018 07:43 PM

George IV set a date for his coronation, July 19, 1821. He had Caroline's name removed from the prayers to be prayed at the coronation ceremony. Caroline pestered him to have her name put back and to tell her what coronation robes she should wear.

theroyalfly 08-12-2019 08:13 AM

Today in Royal History is the 257th birthday of George IV eldest son of George III of the United Kingdom and Charlotte of Mecklenburg-Strelitz. He died on 26 June 1830 (aged 67)

CyrilVladisla 01-26-2021 02:10 AM

King George IV commissioned architect John Nash to redesign portions of the city of London to look more imperial. These areas included Regent's Park and Regent Street.


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