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Alexandria 07-17-2005 03:04 PM

Prince Pieter-Christiaan of Orange-Nassau and Anita van Eijk: August 25 and 27, 2005
 
A thread reserved for the wedding of Prince Pieter-Christiaan of the Netherlands to Anita van Eijk.

The civil ceremony will take place on August 25 at Het Loo, while the religoius ceremony will take place on August 27.

xxPatrickxx 08-25-2005 09:30 AM

Civil Wedding of Pieter-Christiaan and Anita van Eijk/August 25th, 2005
 
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source ANP

misshelen 08-25-2005 09:37 AM

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Marengo 08-25-2005 09:40 AM

Thanks. Apparently Willem-Alexander, Maxma, Johan-Friso and Mabel did not attend the civil wedding.

Princess Maxima 08-25-2005 09:47 AM

I think Anita´s suit is horrible

California Girl 08-25-2005 09:50 AM

However, the giddy smile and joyful expression are wonderful to see! Congratulations to the happy couple. I hope that all goes smoothly this weekend.:)

Squidgy 08-25-2005 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Marengo
Thanks. Apparently Willem-Alexander, Maxma, Johan-Friso and Mabel did not attend the civil wedding.

Ah ... that's too bad. But I think they are supposed to be at the religious ceremony, aren't they?

Was the Queen there?

samitude 08-25-2005 09:51 AM

Really? I think it's beautiful.:)

misshelen 08-25-2005 09:53 AM

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I didn't like the suit also, Princess Maxima. I found pictures without watermark from ANP.

xxPatrickxx 08-25-2005 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Squidgy
Ah ... that's too bad. But I think they are supposed to be at the religious ceremony, aren't they?

Was the Queen there?

Yes the queen was there, but Willem-alexander, Máxima, Friso and mabel where not attend.

Squidgy 08-25-2005 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by California Girl
However, the giddy smile and joyful expression are wonderful to see! Congratulations to the happy couple. I hope that all goes smoothly this weekend.:)

I'll second that! And I do like the beading (or whatever it is) on the collar and cuffs of the suit ... and the groom looks wonderful.

Marengo 08-25-2005 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Squidgy
Ah ... that's too bad. But I think they are supposed to be at the religious ceremony, aren't they?

Was the Queen there?

As patrick said, the Queen was there. WA and Maxima will attend the religious ceremony. The queen was wearing her diamond roses.

Lindy80 08-25-2005 10:19 AM

The suit doesn't fit properly either.

misshelen 08-25-2005 10:28 AM

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Emily 08-25-2005 10:35 AM

Thank you all for the photos!

misshelen 08-25-2005 10:39 AM

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new pictures from anp..lovely pics

misshelen 08-25-2005 10:46 AM

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Pictures without watermark ANP

kwanfan 08-25-2005 10:54 AM

Congrats to the happy couple!

misshelen 08-25-2005 10:56 AM

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liv 08-25-2005 11:01 AM

I didn´t like the dress for a civil wedding.The daughters-in-law of Margriet seems to be really colourful.

(1)Marilene in red
(2)Annette in blue
(3)Anita in green
Aimee in yellow:)

liv 08-25-2005 11:05 AM

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Squidgy 08-25-2005 11:40 AM

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Squidgy 08-25-2005 11:44 AM

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rere 08-25-2005 11:45 AM

The shoes don't help that ugly suit that makes her look old, but the flowers in the hair are pretty.
I hope she wears a pretty wedding dress.

Squidgy 08-25-2005 11:46 AM

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Vicomtesse 08-25-2005 11:50 AM

Who is the lady in purple here? https://www.theroyalforums.com/forums...hmentid=184929

rarotonga 08-25-2005 11:52 AM

Who are the couple in the bottom left photo? He's quite handsome, reminds me a bit of the late JFK, Jr.

Viola-Theresa 08-25-2005 11:52 AM

All the best wishes to the happy looking couple!!!

But ... SORRY ... the clothes .... I read that she will work as a self-employed woman, something with fashion ... but her reference today was not the best for her business in fashion.
She is definitely a natural beauty but her clothes looks like from Queen Beatrix's wardrobe ;-)
I found something special in Mabel's wedding gown and I really find something special in Laurentien's style (but not today) but Anita really made a choice that didn't have the right cut and the right pattern ... she is young and beautiful why wearing something that makes she looking older than she is.

I really hope that the wedding gown accentuates her natural YOUNG beauty!

Squidgy 08-25-2005 11:55 AM

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Squidgy 08-25-2005 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by rarotonga
Who are the couple in the bottom left photo? He's quite handsome, reminds me a bit of the late JFK, Jr.

Yes, they are a good looking couple. It is the grooms brother - Prince Maurits & his wife Marilene.

princess gertrude 08-25-2005 12:06 PM

WOW! What a colorful event. The brides outfit IMO is just awful, pour choice for a wedding, although her smile & happiness makes up for a lot. I'm not so sure about some of her sister in laws' outfits either. What a strange hat Marilene has on!!! And those black boots, not appropriate. Hopefully, everyone will dress better for the religious ceremony.

Marengo 08-25-2005 12:23 PM

My goodness, what on earth was Laurentien thinking? She seems ready to perform in a circus! I don t care to much for Marilenes outfit (didn t she wear the hat during queensday as well?). The bride looks to matronly and what was Anette thinking with the boots/skirt , either the boots or the skirt should be longer.
Margriet and Beatrix looked nice but the only elegant woman at this ocassion was in my opinion Aimee.

iowabelle 08-25-2005 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by rarotonga
Who are the couple in the bottom left photo? He's quite handsome, reminds me a bit of the late JFK, Jr.

When you look at the woman's hat, doesn't it remind you of the headpiece that Whoopi Goldberg wore in Star Trek: The Next Generation?

princess gertrude 08-25-2005 12:36 PM

I totally agree, Aimee seems to be the only on of the "younger" princess' with any fashion sense at all.
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Originally Posted by Marengo
My goodness, what on earth was Laurentien thinking? She seems ready to perform in a circus! I don t care to much for Marilenes outfit (didn t she wear the hat during queensday as well?). The bride looks to matronly and what was Anette thinking with the boots/skirt , either the boots or the skirt should be longer.
Margriet and Beatrix looked nice but the only elegant woman at this ocassion was in my opinion Aimee.


Tina 08-25-2005 12:42 PM

https://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/2...e_kunnen_.html

"Ik heb het gevoel met Anita de wereld aan te kunnen", had Pieter-Christiaan, de derde zoon van prinses Margriet, gezegd. "


can anyone translate his feeling?

Alisa 08-25-2005 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Marengo
Margriet and Beatrix looked nice but the only elegant woman at this ocassion was in my opinion Aimee.

I completely agree with you. Aimee was clearly the best dressed woman there, her outfit was understated and very elegant. The Queen and Princess Margriet also looked lovely.

I thought Anita's dress looked awful. It looked like something an old lady would've worn in the late 60s. How very unflattering for a young woman on her wedding day. I hope she chooses a much nicer dress for the religious ceremontu.

Princess Laurentien's outfit was a complete disappointment. She looked like a circus performer!:eek: I find it surprising that Laurentien would wear such an attention grabbing outfit, this special day belongs to the bride and the groom not Laurentien.

ladybelline 08-25-2005 12:57 PM

OMG! What a strange fashion show!:D

No offence at all, but I can't help but laugh at Princess Laurentien'suit...I wonder what they reserve to us for Saturday at the religious wedding?:confused:

Larzen 08-25-2005 01:04 PM

The bridal couple looked incredible happy and radiant, she is beautiful but her outfit was to old for her

Beatrix, Margriet and Aimee was the most elegant IMO, Princess Anette has such a natural beauty but her skirt and boots combo was not the best. Marilene need to eat something, she looks extremely skinny. I dont know what Laurentien was thinking, clown pants and tropicana hat in screaming colours for a wedding...:eek:

I wonder what we will see on saturday

Squidgy 08-25-2005 01:09 PM

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https://www.koninklijkhuis.nl/content.jsp?objectid=9440

azile 08-25-2005 01:13 PM

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Elspeth 08-25-2005 01:22 PM

I pity the poor person sitting behind Laurentien; it must not have been easy to see round that hat.

susan alicia 08-25-2005 01:24 PM

I guess the main thing is that everyone is happy but a few superficial remarks:

The patterned material of the dress of the bride, could she not wear a single coulour, simple is best, the colour of her stockings is really........ and the colour of her shoes :eek: (are they golden!!)

Marilene looked beautifull, (except for the hat)

Annette is too broad around the beam to wear a white skirt (she does have a lovely face).

Laurentine looked again like something out of holiday on ice and she was not dressed as the princess.

Lets see what the will wear on saterday :)

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Originally Posted by Larzen
The bridal couple looked incredible happy and radiant, she is beautiful but her outfit was to old for her

Beatrix, Margriet and Aimee was the most elegant IMO, Princess Anette has such a natural beauty but her skirt and boots combo was not the best. Marilene need to eat something, she looks extremely skinny. I dont know what Laurentien was thinking, clown pants and tropicana hat in screaming colours for a wedding...:eek:

I wonder what we will see on saturday


Alisa 08-25-2005 01:48 PM

Royal images have their photos up, I guess it's taking Albert Nirboer a while to set up his photos.https://www.royalimages.nl/theme/theme.asp?themeid=554

ap3 08-25-2005 02:25 PM

Aimee was definitely the best dressed there. I think she is the most stylish of the Dutch royals (except for Maxima, whom I love - though Maxima has worn some pretty bad outfits too now that I think about it). But personally I don't like black or white (or black and white) for a wedding, I think colors are more cheerful.

Speaking of black and white: is it in fashion right now? I'm asking because 3 of the women are wearing it: Aimee, Annette and Margriet.

Liked Beatrix's outfit, esp the color.

Like Margriet's outfit, but not the pompom in her hair.

I agree with a previous poster who said Annette should have worn the boots or the skirt, but not both. I like the skirt, but it's so soft and floaty I don't like it with the boots (at all) or even the heavy black jacket.

Laurentien: the worst outfit she's ever worn (and she's worn some pretty awful outfits). Possibly the worst outfit I've seen anyone wear.

SpiffyBallerina 08-25-2005 02:41 PM

At what point should the Queen or SOMEONE get involved with Lairentien's fashion decisions? If she were my daughter-in-law wearing that out in public when representing my family, I'd be a little mad. And the fact that Laurentien's fashion choices have a tendency to be awful all the time, I think it's time for someone to take over.

misshelen 08-25-2005 02:49 PM

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Emily 08-25-2005 03:04 PM

Can someone fill me in on details? What is the building the Civil Ceremony was held in? I noticed Anita had rings on both fingers -- are rings exchanged at the Civil Ceremony? I thought that was at the religious ceremony? Is there typically a reception after the Civil Ceremony and is it usually held a couple of days before the religious ceremony? How many brothers does the groom have and what are their names and their wives names? What about the bride's family? Siblings? Where are they from? Thanks to any who can help!

Lourdes 08-25-2005 03:12 PM

Did the Dutch RF wake up and think it was the 70's. What happened to the fashion? Anita seems like a sweet girl but her outfit is gross, the shoes too. I believe she was going for the Jackie O look and failed miserably. I do wish them the best. Is it protocol for CP Wilhem & Maxima not to attend the civil ceremony? It would have been nice to have them there but I think Maxima would have outshined all of the women there with her sense of style.

misshelen 08-25-2005 03:20 PM

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Emily 08-25-2005 03:27 PM

Also, thanks for all the great photos! Anita sure has a pretty face, even if the dress leaves something to be desired..... How old is she/is he?

pollyemma 08-25-2005 03:31 PM

Did Margriet and her daughters-in-law (and 1 daughter-in-law-to-be)make a pact to all wear white/back/greyish ensembles????

pollyemma 08-25-2005 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Tina
https://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/2...e_kunnen_.html

"Ik heb het gevoel met Anita de wereld aan te kunnen", had Pieter-Christiaan, de derde zoon van prinses Margriet, gezegd. "


can anyone translate his feeling?

It means, "with anita, I feel like I can take on the world."

misshelen 08-25-2005 03:39 PM

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sara1981 08-25-2005 03:53 PM

she really lovely! but i really agree with your posts! because of fashion advisor she wores green dresses but i dont blame Anita what she wanted for her wedding civil ceremony and also Princess Laurentien's fashion advisor but she wanted to wores whatever she needs! i dont blame Laurentien's clothes what she need for wedding civil ceremony but she really nice and BIG HATS! oh my lord!

Sara Boyce

kwanfan 08-25-2005 04:00 PM

I liked Anita's outfit. She's very pretty and I'm excited to see her dress for the religious ceremony. Laurentien's outfit was AWFUL! Margriet, Beatrix, and Aimee all looked quite good. Anita and Pieter-Christian looked so happy! Congrats to them!

misshelen 08-25-2005 04:01 PM

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Gabriella 08-25-2005 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by pollyemma
It means, "with anita, I feel like I can take on the world."

That is just too sweet.

Thanks to everyone who has posted pictures of today!

I am in agreement about the outfits. I am not a fan of Anita's outfit. It wasn't horrible, but just a little too loud for my liking. Especially for a wedding.

Why are all these women wearing black? :confused: I thought it was considered bad ettiquete to attend a wedding in black, just as you shouldn't show up for a funeral in red or yellow. I noticed Margriet, Aimee, Annette and a few other women who I can't identify in black. I loved both Margriet and Aimee's outfits, I just don't think they were well suited for the occasion.

I thought that Annette's top was lovely - and her hat was my favorite out of them all - but the skirt and the boots were just awful!

Laurentien....:eek:. It seems as if her fashion sense has gone downhill these past few years and has progressively gotten worse. I feel sorry for whoever what stuck sitting behind her. That hat was huge!

I love Marliene, but I really despise her flying saucer hat. That thing could land planes! Her outfit was not that bad though.

Squidgy 08-25-2005 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by pollyemma
Did Margriet and her daughters-in-law (and 1 daughter-in-law-to-be)make a pact to all wear white/back/greyish ensembles????

... and I think all the men in the immediate families made a pact to wear those yellow ties.:)

Tina 08-25-2005 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Squidgy
... and I think all the men in the immediate families made a pact to wear those yellow ties.:)

I think so, too, when you look at this picture, you can see, that there just in the backround one or two have another colored tie

https://www.theroyalforums.com/forums...hmentid=184891

Squidgy 08-25-2005 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by pollyemma
It means, "with anita, I feel like I can take on the world."

Ah! That is truly lovely!

Does anyone have any news of anything else that happened at the wedding?

ysbel 08-25-2005 04:33 PM

I actually like Anita's and Laurentien's outfits. They're colorful and fun-goes with the sunny summer. Maybe a little too fun for a wedding :p but still a welcome change from the ultra-sleek ultra-minimalist look you see when women try to look fashionable.

misshelen 08-25-2005 04:53 PM

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pollyemma 08-25-2005 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Squidgy
Ah! That is truly lovely!

Does anyone have any news of anything else that happened at the wedding?

In what I saw of the press conference, they said they are going on a honeymoon after the wedding saturday. there will be a large dinner and party, featuring some british singer named Katie Melua(that was supposed to be a surprise but the news leaked out) Friday, the couple will spend the day with their friends who flew in from foreign countries.

The couple was supposedly very nervous at first but the funny speech of the mayor of apeldoorn put them at ease. After the vows he said," I think it's pretty obvious what should happen now" and the couple kissed.

linda85 08-25-2005 04:59 PM

I just love the couples' happy smiles. They seem to radiate such joy. As for the outfits, what hasn't been said here already? Yikes!!!

I don't want to be catty but what was Laurentien thinking with that outfit? Was she trying to upstage the bride? Allthough the bride do a bit her self with the colorful outfit. Maybe on the other hand HH PC actually likes that about her. I say all happiness to them.
Linda85

misshelen 08-25-2005 05:12 PM

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princess olga 08-25-2005 05:13 PM

Emily, to answer some of your questions:

the ceremony was held at the Paleis Het Loo, in the city of Apeldoorn. (This is incedentally the home town of the groom.) This huge chateau was once a residence of Queen Wilhelmina.

As for the whole civil ceremony tradition, I really don't get why the happy couple can't combine it with the church ceremony on the same day! That's what WA and Maxima did, and that's what I would do myself: that way, you don't have to pick a dress for the civil ceremony, a very tricky thing as it turns out (picking the outfit that is!).

The groom has three brothers:
Maurits
Bernard
and Floris

misshelen 08-25-2005 05:13 PM

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Squidgy 08-25-2005 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by pollyemma
In what I saw of the press conference, they said they are going on a honeymoon after the wedding saturday. there will be a large dinner and party, featuring some british singer named Katie Melua(that was supposed to be a surprise but the news leaked out) Friday, the couple will spend the day with their friends who flew in from foreign countries.

The couple was supposedly very nervous at first but the funny speech of the mayor of apeldoorn put them at ease. After the vows he said," I think it's pretty obvious what should happen now" and the couple kissed.

Thanks so much Pollyemma for this news. Sounds like the Mayor of Apeldoorn performed well at the ceremony. Humour is always welcome!:D

princess olga 08-25-2005 05:22 PM

about the outfits:

boy oh boy do I agree with most of you! A royal title and/or wealth does <not> necessarily buy great taste as well!

I agree that it's nice the bride didn't go for a minimalist-type outfit. But come on, did she have to wear <this>? Where are professional stylists when you need them?! Let me put it this way: if you would digitally 'photoshop' the head of the bride off of the pictures so that you could only see the body, and then you would show this to unsuspecting folks and ask them to estimate the age of the wearer of the dress, people would probably put her in her late 50's or 60's.
As someone said earlier, it looks like she borrowed her outfit from Beatrix, who, incidentally, turned up better dressed than a lot of the other guests.

And Laurentien....holy sweepstakes!! The only thing more flabbergastingly incomprehensible than that outfit, is the innocently oblivious look on the face of Constantijn, her husband. Is it true, after all, that men are <blind>?

By the way, I do very much like the bride and groom as they both seem down to earth, friendly people without one ounce of pretension. But the bride's dress...ok well, the colors I liked, and the stones glued onto it. But the cut could have been more flattering, as could the pattern.

HMQueenElizabethII 08-25-2005 05:24 PM

What's a colourful event!Anita looks really pretty and happy.The other Royal Ladies also looked beautiful and elegant but except Princess Laurentien's outfit.Anyone see Princess Irene and Princess Christina?Did they attend?
My best wishes to the couple with all the happiness for their life.

Squidgy 08-25-2005 05:34 PM

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Anyone see Princess Irene and Princess Christina?Did they attend?

I don't think either Princess attended the service. I imagine though that they will both be at the Church on Saturday. Christina is supposed to sing at the wedding (although there have been rumours that she is having problems with her voice). We will have to wait & see.

California Girl 08-25-2005 06:19 PM

I'd have to say that Aimee was the best-dressed lady at the ceremony today.

Emily 08-25-2005 06:25 PM

Thank you for answering my questions Princess Olga!

runaway princess 08-25-2005 06:28 PM

Great wedding!

Squidgy 08-25-2005 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Marengo
As patrick said, the Queen was there. WA and Maxima will attend the religious ceremony. The queen was wearing her diamond roses.

What are the "diamond roses"? Are these broaches?

And speaking of the Queen, I really like the way she appeared to make an effort to stay in the background today! Her clothes were nice, but not flashy. And she seemed to be almost running up the stairs to the Palace, as if to say, please ignore me today ...

https://www.theroyalforums.com/forums...hmentid=184960

MoonlightRhapsody 08-25-2005 08:48 PM

I'm going to have to disagree with the majority here, but I quite like Anita's suit dress. From a distance, the color was vibrant and matched her vibrant smile. The design of the jacket reminds me of Jackie Onassis collars. Honestly! It's not as bad as people think!

capricorninin 08-25-2005 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Moonlightrhapsody
I'm going to have to disagree with the majority here, but I quite like Anita's suit dress. From a distance, the color was vibrant and matched her vibrant smile. The design of the jacket reminds me of Jackie Onassis collars. Honestly! It's not as bad as people think!

I second that. I liked Anita's suit though the stones could have been avoided but who cares. She was so happy and in love. Actually this type of pattern is very prevalent in South Asia- I read somewhere that she was also brought up in Singapore. Maybe it was her way of incorporating something of the culture she has been in close contact with.

princess olga 08-25-2005 10:42 PM

Capricorninin wrote: "Maybe it was her way of incorporating something of the culture she has been in close contact with."

Right, hence the sea wead/coral pattern, the stones and the turkoise colors. I get that..

But..what happened to wearability??

I'm all for symbolism (OT, hell, I just finished the intriguing book "the Da Vinci Code"--speak about symbolism! I'm probably the <last> person on the entire planet to read this best seller!)

BUT...why oh why is it often the <ugliest> fashion concoctions that have all these great concepts and symbols behind the design?

I'm starting to endorse the theory that says that the more concept/symbolism behind a design of a piece of clothing, often the uglier the wedding dress/evening gown/etc.

The idea being, the more concepts the designer tried to build in, the less he/she had time to also incorporate the concept of <wearability>.

hahaha I now wonder what great concept/idea was behind good old Laurentien's dress! Perhaps the concept of the Ultimate Fashion Faux Pas? OK that's mean, but I couldn't help myself.

paloma 08-25-2005 10:51 PM

What type of family does Anita come from? Obviously they are not aristocratic, but are they educated and wealthy? To socialize in the same circles as a Dutch prince, she is probably not your average middle class girl. Could someone please elaborate?
Also, what type of personality does she have? She seems to be approachable, friendly and down to earth.

bigheadshirmp 08-25-2005 10:54 PM

so will Anita now be known as Anita, Princess of Orange-Nassau, van Vollenhoven?

princess olga 08-25-2005 11:16 PM

Paloma,

Pieter Christiaan and Anita are said to have met "at a party in London" some time ago when they both worked in that city.

Now, I'm not well versed in the professional background of these two and I certainly don't know the 'skinny' on Anita's background or anything, but I happen to have a bunch of friends who all work in the financial industry in London, and from them I heard that in that world, i e the financial/banking world in Britain's capital, it is not all that uncommon to be bumping into people of wealth/high society if you will.

According to my friends, there's a slew of royalty living in and working in London, so go figure. I believe it too, as I have been on several business trips to that city and have been taken by various types of people to supposedly "exclusive" clubs such as the Home House, where supposedly Madonna is a member. So in a nutshell, contrary to popular myth, London is quite the equalitarian spot!

princess olga 08-25-2005 11:24 PM

And as for whether Anita's family is 'educated and wealthy' as asked--

the Netherlands is a country where almost everyone you'd bump into is very well educated. Universities are pretty much accessible to anyone, (if you have earned the appropriate grades in high school that are required to qualify for college/university.

And as for whether her family's wealthy...as a whole, the Netherlands is one of the wealthiest nations in the world, but individually, you'd find that most Dutch citizens would qualify as decidedly "middle class" even the ones that can boast high salaries! One reason is the high tax rate in that country, but that would be another thread, or even forum, entirely....
(ha unless we'd do the thread "which royals pay taxes" or sth like that ;)

So if I'd have to bet, I'd say Anita's probably from a middle class background, like most Dutch citizens. But then again, I don't know anything about her family background, except that I read somewhere that she lost a sibling way back when..

paloma 08-25-2005 11:44 PM

The brides outfit would have been nice if it had fit better. It should have been more tailored. It overwhelmed her. The colors were bright and quite nice. IMO The bride and groom radiated happiness, which is the most important.
Someone please help Laurentien. She and Mabel are a danger to our eyesight. I guess people just don't have the courage to tell them the truth about their fashion sense. They look like they belong in the circus.

delineate 08-26-2005 12:52 AM

Aww, they seem so happy! I love Anita's facial expressions in some of the photos!

Now, onto the clothes. I liked Queen Beatrix and Aimee's outfits the most. All the men looked handsome. I'm not too wild about Annette's skirt with boots and Anita's suit (although her smile makes it look 1,000 times better than it would have otherwise). But I think Laurentian's outfit is the worst of all!

Lastly, a question: is Anita going to be calles princess, or not?

Marengo 08-26-2005 01:50 AM

According to the royal website she is:

'Prinses Anita verkrijgt door haar huwelijk geen adeldom. Wel kan zij de titels van haar echtgenoot voeren. Haar titels en aanspreeknaam zijn: Prinses van Oranje-Nassau, van Vollenhoven-van Eijk'

So she is not an aristocrat but she can use her husbands title which would make her Princess van Oranje-Nassau, van Vollenhoven-van Eijk


btw Princess Anita sounds extremely strange. Whenever we (dutch) describe somebody from the lowest classes (as far as we have them) we use the term Johnny's and Anita's.

Marengo 08-26-2005 01:56 AM

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Originally Posted by princess olga
And as for whether Anita's family is 'educated and wealthy' as asked--

the Netherlands is a country where almost everyone you'd bump into is very well educated. Universities are pretty much accessible to anyone, (if you have earned the appropriate grades in high school that are required to qualify for college/university.

And as for whether her family's wealthy...as a whole, the Netherlands is one of the wealthiest nations in the world, but individually, you'd find that most Dutch citizens would qualify as decidedly "middle class" even the ones that can boast high salaries! One reason is the high tax rate in that country, but that would be another thread, or even forum, entirely....
(ha unless we'd do the thread "which royals pay taxes" or sth like that ;)

So if I'd have to bet, I'd say Anita's probably from a middle class background, like most Dutch citizens. But then again, I don't know anything about her family background, except that I read somewhere that she lost a sibling way back when..

You are correct princess Olga. Judging from her accent she is belongs to the middle upperclass (younger people from this background tend to have a monstuous 'r', which is often used in student societies and even the princes suffer from it -though luckily the crownprince is improving. The purpose of this 'r' is to sound posh and to blend in in the hockeyclub I assume. The only dutch-born pincess who does not suffer from it is Anette). Anita's parents are well off but not extremely rich. Her father must have had an international carreer (Shell maybe?) as the family lived in France and Singapore.

Marengo 08-26-2005 02:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Squidgy
What are the "diamond roses"? Are these broaches?

And speaking of the Queen, I really like the way she appeared to make an effort to stay in the background today! Her clothes were nice, but not flashy. And she seemed to be almost running up the stairs to the Palace, as if to say, please ignore me today ...

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Correct, the brooches are diamond rose. The queen wore them for example as well when she got engaged to Prince Claus. There are 5 roses which can be used differently. Beatrix used them as pendants for a necklace once and Juliana used them as a wedding tiara/bandeau (together with small pearls), probably to honour her husband Prince Berhard as the symbol of the Lippe family is a rose.

The Queen looked indeed very subdued, I think she used this dress before, for an official photograph (the hat looks also familiar). I can't wait for Saturday, Maxima usually knows how to sparkle on such occassions! The bride will probably be wearing the laurel wreath tiara, as did her two sisters-in-law and Margarita of Bourbon-Parma.

princess olga 08-26-2005 02:04 AM

"btw Princess Anita sounds extremely strange. Whenever we (dutch) describe somebody from the lowest classes (as far as we have them) we use the term Johnny's and Anita's."

LOL, Marengo, that is sooo true! I didn't want to bring it up as it might be considered a real insider joke so to speak, but you explained it well!

And as for that very particular "R" sound that Dutch people use when they either <want> to be perceived as upper class or whether they're just 'born to the manor' with it, I didn't know Anita has one, too, that's a bit disappointing actually. I'm glad to hear WA is losing his!! Whew! I guess we have Maxima to thank for that one!
And as for Annette not having that horrible "r", does she happen to be from Brabant/Limburg? Or the North? Ah, for such a compact piece of land, the Netherlands has a <ton> of regional accents and even languages, that is just so fascinating!

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Marengo 08-26-2005 02:50 AM

Thanks, but I think the term Johnny and Anita is a bit old, these days one can be glad to be named like that as many parents give their children utterly vulgar names (they want to be original and uncommon, but they are very common in this wish). A cousin of mine, to the shock of the family, called her son and daughter Aurum and Venice. Can you imagine being 80 years old and your name is Venice??? What a burden! The worst name I saw this week in the 'born' section of the newspaper was 'Danysha'.

The accents.... pff, where shall I start? It is my favourite frustration at the university. I dislike people immediately (to quickly most of the times) when they have this accent. Especially at university it is a plague, it is so fake and terribly ugly and pretentious! All the princes suffer from it as well, most notably Friso and Pieter-Christiaan. Laurentien had it as well (of course with such a father one could not expect differently), which was one of the main reasons that she was not that much liked in the beginning of her marriage, later on everybody saw that Laurentien was actually quite down-to-earth and likeble, and even the accent is not that horrible anymore.

WA scaled down quite a bit on the accent as well (it is still there though), it must be either Maxima or a PR consultant who are the cause of this. The elder royals speak in a much more natural way, although their accent is much more sophisicated then that of the younger generation. I think the Queen is unique in her way of talking and Irene, Margriet and Christina talk as one would expect from 'old money families'.

In my opinion Mabel has the worst accent. I heard the engagement announcement on the radio, but I switched chanel because of the horrible (HORRIBLE!!!) accent of hers.

I dont think Anette is from Brabant but from the province of Utrecht (I am not sure about it though). Her way of speaking doesn t have any pretentions and could pass as standard dutch.
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There are indeed so many accents here, which surprises my foreign friends as well. Sometimes television even uses subtitles when people from the (north)east or the south (or Flanders) are speaking.

ladybelline 08-26-2005 03:29 AM

I was thniking about Tomorrow's ceremony. It's on the afternoon, right?So I suppose it means long dresse and tiaras for ladies, and long jackets for men?

(because I remember last year:the Danish wedding on the afternoon: long gowns and tiaras; Spanish wedding on the morning: knee-lenght dresses and hats.)

princess olga 08-26-2005 03:40 AM

Thanks Marengo for the explanations regarding their accents. I'm Dutch myself but have never heard the majority of the DRF speak..

..although I happen to have caught the press conference of when Mabel and Friso announced they were engaged on TV, so I know what they and the queen sound like.

And I <completely> agree with you Marengo: Mabel must have the absolute most horrible accent of anyone Dutch I've ever come across (and since I grew up there, that's a lot of people).

Mabel's is so completely unnatural, in a awful nasal way, I can't explain it, it just sounded so so awfully pretentious in the most fake of ways. Nothing against the woman per se, I know she's great as a lobbyist for some worthy causes and all, but that accent! I am convinced that if I'd ever bumped into her and she'd start speaking to me, I'd burst out laughing, that's how ridiculous her accent is!

HMQueenElizabethII 08-26-2005 03:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Squidgy
I don't think either Princess attended the service. I imagine though that they will both be at the Church on Saturday. Christina is supposed to sing at the wedding (although there have been rumours that she is having problems with her voice). We will have to wait & see.

Thanks lots Squidgy for your answer.Becuase i saw a picture of the ladies sat in the line with the Queen, there was someone look like Princess Irene.

Eva-Britt 08-26-2005 04:13 AM

Sure Mabel has a terrible accent. Sometimes she looks so beautiful and she is always very friendly, but if she opens her mouth then I think 'oh my god, running!'

susan alicia 08-26-2005 04:46 AM

I live in Amsterdam too and if I see someone calling out to his bulldog "winSton" with irene's rarified way of pronouncing the S, I will know that is Marengo ;)





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Originally Posted by Marengo
Thanks, but I think the term Johnny and Anita is a bit old, these days one can be glad to be named like that as many parents give their children utterly vulgar names (they want to be original and uncommon, but they are very common in this wish). A cousin of mine, to the shock of the family, called her son and daughter Aurum and Venice. Can you imagine being 80 years old and your name is Venice??? What a burden! The worst name I saw this week in the 'born' section of the newspaper was 'Danysha'.

The accents.... pff, where shall I start? It is my favourite frustration at the university. I dislike people immediately (to quickly most of the times) when they have this accent. Especially at university it is a plague, it is so fake and terribly ugly and pretentious! All the princes suffer from it as well, most notably Friso and Pieter-Christiaan. Laurentien had it as well (of course with such a father one could not expect differently), which was one of the main reasons that she was not that much liked in the beginning of her marriage, later on everybody saw that Laurentien was actually quite down-to-earth and likeble, and even the accent is not that horrible anymore.

WA scaled down quite a bit on the accent as well (it is still there though), it must be either Maxima or a PR consultant who are the cause of this. The elder royals speak in a much more natural way, although their accent is much more sophisicated then that of the younger generation. I think the Queen is unique in her way of talking and Irene, Margriet and Christina talk as one would expect from 'old money families'.

In my opinion Mabel has the worst accent. I heard the engagement announcement on the radio, but I switched chanel because of the horrible (HORRIBLE!!!) accent of hers.

I dont think Anette is from Brabant but from the province of Utrecht (I am not sure about it though). Her way of speaking doesn t have any pretentions and could pass as standard dutch.
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There are indeed so many accents here, which surprises my foreign friends as well. Sometimes television even uses subtitles when people from the (north)east or the south (or Flanders) are speaking.


HMQueenElizabethII 08-26-2005 05:19 AM

I know that Prince WA and Princess Maxima will attend the Church Blessing on Saturday,i think they will bring CA there probably,not sure about Alexia.But how about Friso and Mabel will they attend the Church Blessing on Saturday?

carlota 08-26-2005 08:07 AM

anita's outfit wasn't nice at all, but they really looked happy and that was great to see. it was a pity we couldn't see maxima and mabel there...

Fashionista100 08-26-2005 08:38 AM

I have to say much of the Dutch royal family must be colorblind. Eeek! What an awful outfit. Can we say 1960? It was all very old ladyish. The only two people who I thought were really stylish were the woman in Lilac and the Queen. One of the women in Black and White looked good too. They need to get some decent fashion advisors, and quick!! Their outfits do nothing for them.

But what is great is they all look very happy. I wish them the best. Does anyone have a close up of her engagement ring?? I'm still also trying to see a close up of Mabels too.

Black and white is no longer unsuitable for weddings. It can be worn in a chic manner. People didn't wear black to weddings for a long time because of a hold over from the Victorian era when they used to wear black as a sign of mourning. Just as white became a symbol for wedding dresses. Once again you have to thank the Victorians for that. Before that wedding dresses were a variety of colors. That is why you wouldn't wear white to a funeral as it was considered a sign of innocence and rebirth or purity. But now you can.
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