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CyrilVladisla 06-09-2021 03:25 AM

Was it absolutely necessary that Lilibet's name had to flow well with that of Master Archie?

Curryong 06-09-2021 03:27 AM

We know that some of the long time senior aides at BP disliked and disapproved of Meghan from the beginning. And, as for this unnamed source from the Palace, is this a quote from the Queen’s lips? Would the Queen have discussed her grandson’s conversations with staff?

muriel 06-09-2021 03:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Curryong (Post 2406466)
We know that some of the long time senior aides at BP disliked and disapproved of Meghan from the beginning. And, as for this unnamed source from the Palace, is this a quote from the Queen’s lips? Would the Queen have discussed her grandson’s conversations with staff?

Perhaps we should just rely on the regular drip feed from Sunshine Sachs to determine what really happened! :rofl:

Curryong 06-09-2021 03:36 AM

No. We don’t have to trust ANY of these sources. However, this latest titbit relies on it being a reliable source from the Queen herself and not a leak from a staff member who dislikes the Sussexes.

Alison H 06-09-2021 03:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Frelinghighness (Post 2406438)
Wow you really missed the point. They used an intimate nickname that only super close family members used, for example her recently deceased husband, after publicly trashing the entire family enterprise. Why name your baby after an enterprise that you think is so toxic and also announces her birth with letterhead showing royal emblems if all you do is try to show how you want to be free from it


I haven't missed the point at all. You will see from some of my other posts that I thought it inappropriate to use an intimate family nickname after everything they've said. This was what I wrote elsewhere:


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I don't think it's the fact that Lilibet isn't a "proper" name that would be bothering her, more the fact that it's her private, intimate, family nickname, being used by people who've said that her family are racist, uncaring, neglectful, and bad parents, just after the death of her husband of 74 years. But we'll never know how she feels about it, because she doesn't go around discussing her private business on TV talk shows
The comment which you quoted was in response to the people who thought it odd that they'd included the abbreviation Lili in the official announcement, rather than just saying Lilibet. I don't find it odd to tell people that you're using, say, Susie rather than Susan, so I don't find it odd to say that you're using Lili rather than Lilibet. But I certainly don't think that they should have used Lilibet at all, especially as a Palace source has now said that the Queen wasn't even asked. Please read other people's comments properly before telling them that they've "missed the point". Thank you.

muriel 06-09-2021 03:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Curryong (Post 2406468)
No. We don’t have to trust ANY of these sources. However, this latest titbit relies on it being a reliable source from the Queen herself and not a leak from a staff member who dislikes the Sussexes.

..... as opposed to a leak from Sunshine Sachs, the independent arbiters of the truth!

We can all draw our own conclusions, but I tend to trust the BBC a lot more than Omid Scoobie, People magazine, Gayle King and others.

Curryong 06-09-2021 03:45 AM

The BBC reported what it was told by an unknown BP source. That’s the crux of the matter.

MARG 06-09-2021 04:16 AM

'Lilibet' is a nickname bestowed upon HM by her grandfather King George and carried on by her extended family throughout her life. It is not an 'intimate personal' name, that would be Philip calling his beloved wife "Cabbage" since they married in 1947.

Curryong 06-09-2021 04:28 AM

Yes, if it was that intimate and confined to close family of the Queen’s own generation, King Juan Carlos of Spain wouldn’t be calling her Cousin Lilibet and his son Felipe Aunt Lilibet.

solinka 06-09-2021 04:35 AM

People keep writing how unique the Queen's nickname is.

With all due respect, this is nonsense. I have heard and read that name coutless times before.

:ermm:

Denville 06-09-2021 05:19 AM

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Originally Posted by solinka (Post 2406480)
People keep writing how unique the Queen's nickname is.

With all due respect, this is nonsense. I have heard and read that name coutless times before.

:ermm:

How many people are there out there called Lilibet?

Heavs 06-09-2021 05:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Curryong (Post 2406472)
The BBC reported what it was told by an unknown BP source. That’s the crux of the matter.

Yes but are the BBC going to get into the name did they/didn't they debate unless they have a good source? And not a footman.

The Sussexes have open lied about a lot of things in the last few months. They also very publicly launched their Half In, Half Out manifesto claiming they had permission, hoping to make it a fait accompli and turns out it was a complete lie.

It's clear BP/the family had no idea the birth announcement was coming or it wouldn't have taken over an hour to release a statement and more for social media congratulations. And then the official statement was short and didn't mention the name.

Then there are all the reports that suggest HM did know they wanted to name the baby after her but "Lilibet" wasn't discussed it wouldn't be the first time a spokesman had twisted that sort of thing either.

Of course the unnamed source might just be trying to stir something up but the Sussexes word is worth absolutely nothing either.

muriel 06-09-2021 05:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Heavs (Post 2406493)
Yes but are the BBC going to get into the name did they/didn't they debate unless they have a good source? And not a footman.

The Sussexes have open lied about a lot of things in the last few months. They also very publicly launched their Half In, Half Out manifesto claiming they had permission, hoping to make it a fait accompli and turns out it was a complete lie.

It's clear BP/the family had no idea the birth announcement was coming or it wouldn't have taken over an hour to release a statement and more for social media congratulations. And then the official statement was short and didn't mention the name.

Then there are all the reports that suggest HM did know they wanted to name the baby after her but "Lilibet" wasn't discussed it wouldn't be the first time a spokesman had twisted that sort of thing either.

Of course the unnamed source might just be trying to stir something up but the Sussexes word is worth absolutely nothing either.

I am not intending to enter the debate as to the suitability or otherwise of the name Lilibet. However, I do agree with you in that H&M have done an awful lot to destroy their own credibility in recent years.

muriel 06-09-2021 05:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Curryong (Post 2406472)
The BBC reported what it was told by an unknown BP source. That’s the crux of the matter.

And what is wrong with that?

Denville 06-09-2021 05:56 AM

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Originally Posted by muriel (Post 2406495)
And what is wrong with that?

Royal sources are usually unnamed for obvious reasons. But how likely is it that the queen was happy about this name? She may have been asked and said she didn't like the idea but from all we've seen of the behavior of H and Meghan, I dont think a polite "I dont like the idea" would stop them from doing something. She may have said nothing, knowing that there was nothing she could do... She may not have been asked at all.. but that wouldn't stop H and Meghan claiming the opposite....

solinka 06-09-2021 06:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Denville (Post 2406491)
How many people are there out there called Lilibet?

Does the Queen have trademark on the name?

muriel 06-09-2021 06:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Denville (Post 2406497)
But how likely is it that the queen was happy about this name? She may have been asked and said she didn't like the idea but from all we've seen of the behavior of H and Meghan, I dont think a polite "I dont like the idea" would stop them from doing something. She may have said nothing, knowing that there was nothing she could do... She may not have been asked at all.. but that wouldn't stop H and Meghan claiming the opposite....

If HM had been asked for her views on the name and she was less than positive, there is a reasonable chance that the next truth bomb might include comments on how the RF tried to prevent Lili being named as such due to racism!

Denville 06-09-2021 06:06 AM

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Originally Posted by solinka (Post 2406503)
Does the Queen have trademark on the name?

really? The queen needs to take out a trademark of her pet name that is used by her close family and friends? I've never heard of any other Lilibets, and its clear that this name was picked by Harry and Meg to emphasise his connexction with the queen...

Denville 06-09-2021 06:08 AM

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Originally Posted by muriel (Post 2406504)
If HM had been asked for her views on the name and she was less than positive, there is a reasonable chance that the next truth bomb might include comments on how the RF tried to prevent Lili being named as such due to racism!

I agree. I think that if they'd gone for her proper name Elizabeth, she would have been fine with it.. but even then it must seem odd to find that her grandson whos been calling her whole family monsters, wants to name his child after her. but she would have stilfed any feelings about that, and accepted the naming.

muriel 06-09-2021 06:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Denville (Post 2406507)
I agree. I think that if they'd gone for her proper name Elizabeth, she would have been fine with it.. but even then it must seem odd to find that her grandson whos been calling her whole family monsters, wants to name his child after her. but she would have stilfed any feelings about that, and accepted the naming.

I agree with you.


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